Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

[Stephane Ducasse]

epub already works. Now it should be improved.

Doing an pandoc exporter should not be that difficult. If you do it I
will integrate it.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Gour  wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +
> Dimitris Chloupis 
> wrote:
>
>> Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so
>> who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;)
>
> Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g.
> addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub
> support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source markup
> for all of one's writings?
>
> After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and rst
> markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content, but,
> so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't tried 
> with
> slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it.
>
> Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us even 
> more
> import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats like
> *.odt, *.epub etc.
>
> Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of Pharo
> itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well as
> for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation, slide-presentations.
>
> But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit
> feature request for Pillar?
>
> Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days...
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
> --
> Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities
> he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no
> one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

I have created a document in Grafoscopio. The source file is a single
Grafoscopio notebook in STON [1] (~600kb), the output is a single
Pandoc's Markdown file[2] (~500kb), and you can produce the output as a
PDF file like in [3] (~13Mb). Pandoc has a lot of maturity and a
community with a lot of momentum, dedicated mainly to light
documentation. If we have support for Pandoc's Markdown on Pharo, we can
leverage on that knowledge and tools without reinventing the wheel. Of
course using AST and a lot of infrastructure behind Pillar can be used,
without falling in love with its syntax.

[1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/mapeda/doc/tip/mapeda.ston
[2] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/mapeda/doc/tip/mapeda.markdown
[3] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/mapeda/uv/mapeda.pdf

Cheers,

Offray

On 13/10/17 08:21, H. Hirzel wrote:
> Interoperability with pandoc is desirable
>
> Some people want MSWord documents and they provide input in the form
> of MSWord documents.
> Or LibreOffice ODT.
>
> pandoc handles that well for a subset of MSWord options.
>
> pandoc allows you as well to write a custom output format -- in this
> case Pillar.
>
> E.g. conversion from MSWord docx to Pillar is possible.
>
> It would need somebody to look into the issue of doing some Lua scripting.
> pandoc has Lua embedded for output generation.
>
>
> --Hannes
>
>
> P.S. I will have some time later for Pillar issues (not Lua), but the
> document model and generation of slides. Still open issue on my list
> is rendering Pillar on Morphic, in particular slide.
>
>
> On 10/13/17, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
>> Why exporting to latex, html and markdown is not enough for you ?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM Gour  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +
>>> Dimitris Chloupis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so
 who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;)
>>> Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g.
>>> addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub
>>> support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source
>>> markup
>>> for all of one's writings?
>>>
>>> After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and
>>> rst
>>> markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content,
>>> but,
>>> so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't
>>> tried
>>> with
>>> slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us
>>> even
>>> more
>>> import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats
>>> like
>>> *.odt, *.epub etc.
>>>
>>> Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of
>>> Pharo
>>> itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well
>>> as
>>> for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation,
>>> slide-presentations.
>>>
>>> But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit
>>> feature request for Pillar?
>>>
>>> Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days...
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gour
>>>
>>> --
>>> Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities
>>> he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no
>>> one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

[H. Hirzel]

Interoperability with pandoc is desirable

Some people want MSWord documents and they provide input in the form
of MSWord documents.
Or LibreOffice ODT.

pandoc handles that well for a subset of MSWord options.

pandoc allows you as well to write a custom output format -- in this
case Pillar.

E.g. conversion from MSWord docx to Pillar is possible.

It would need somebody to look into the issue of doing some Lua scripting.
pandoc has Lua embedded for output generation.


--Hannes


P.S. I will have some time later for Pillar issues (not Lua), but the
document model and generation of slides. Still open issue on my list
is rendering Pillar on Morphic, in particular slide.


On 10/13/17, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
> Why exporting to latex, html and markdown is not enough for you ?
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM Gour  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +
>> Dimitris Chloupis 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so
>> > who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;)
>>
>> Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g.
>> addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub
>> support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source
>> markup
>> for all of one's writings?
>>
>> After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and
>> rst
>> markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content,
>> but,
>> so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't
>> tried
>> with
>> slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it.
>>
>> Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us
>> even
>> more
>> import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats
>> like
>> *.odt, *.epub etc.
>>
>> Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of
>> Pharo
>> itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well
>> as
>> for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation,
>> slide-presentations.
>>
>> But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit
>> feature request for Pillar?
>>
>> Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days...
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Gour
>>
>> --
>> Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities
>> he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no
>> one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

[Dimitris Chloupis]

Why exporting to latex, html and markdown is not enough for you ?

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM Gour  wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +
> Dimitris Chloupis 
> wrote:
>
> > Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so
> > who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;)
>
> Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g.
> addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub
> support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source
> markup
> for all of one's writings?
>
> After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and rst
> markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content,
> but,
> so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't tried
> with
> slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it.
>
> Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us even
> more
> import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats
> like
> *.odt, *.epub etc.
>
> Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of
> Pharo
> itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well
> as
> for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation,
> slide-presentations.
>
> But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit
> feature request for Pillar?
>
> Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days...
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
> --
> Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities
> he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no
> one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

[Cyril Ferlicot]

On ven. 13 oct. 2017 at 12:05, Gour  wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +
> Dimitris Chloupis 
> wrote:
>
> > Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so
> > who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;)
>
> Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g.
> addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub
> support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source
> markup
> for all of one's writings?
>
> After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and rst
> markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content,
> but,
> so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't tried
> with
> slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it.
>
> Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us even
> more
> import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats
> like
> *.odt, *.epub etc.
>
> Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of
> Pharo
> itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well
> as
> for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation,
> slide-presentations.
>
> But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit
> feature request for Pillar?


Hi,


I don't have much time so, fast answer:
https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar/issues



>
> Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days...
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
> --
> Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities
> he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no
> one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.
>
>
>
> --
Cyril Ferlicot
https://ferlicot.fr

http://www.synectique.eu
2 rue Jacques Prévert 01,
59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

[Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

[Gour]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +
Dimitris Chloupis 
wrote:

> Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so
> who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;)

Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g.
addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub
support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source markup
for all of one's writings?

After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and rst
markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content, but,
so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't tried with
slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it.

Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us even more
import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats like
*.odt, *.epub etc.

Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of Pharo
itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well as
for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation, slide-presentations.

But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit
feature request for Pillar?

Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days...


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities
he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no
one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment.