Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[Manfred Kröhnert via Pharo-users]

--- Begin Message ---
Hi,

I just read through the Preface and it reads very well.
However, I found three small issues.

On page 1 at the bottom there is "Seasideweb development" which I guess
should read "Seaside web development".

On page 2 there is "MacOSX" as supported platform which Apple renamed to
"OS X" some time ago (OS X instead of MacOSX:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X).

Also on page 2 I read the sentence "You can make an impact on Pharo" but to
me it was not really obvious how this sentence relates to the paragraph it
belongs to or how you actually can make an impact on Pharo.

Hope this helps,
Manfred


On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 6:33 PM, stepharo  wrote:

> Here is the reviewed Preface of UpdatePharoByExample.
>
> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample for
> typos...
>
> stef
>
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Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[Özel Ders METU]

How can I effectively unsubscribe from this email group.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Manfred Kröhnert <
pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:

>
>
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> From: "Manfred Kröhnert" <mkroehner...@googlemail.com>
> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 09:25:25 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example
> Hi,
>
> I just read through the Preface and it reads very well.
> However, I found three small issues.
>
> On page 1 at the bottom there is "Seasideweb development" which I guess
> should read "Seaside web development".
>
> On page 2 there is "MacOSX" as supported platform which Apple renamed to
> "OS X" some time ago (OS X instead of MacOSX:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X).
>
> Also on page 2 I read the sentence "You can make an impact on Pharo" but
> to me it was not really obvious how this sentence relates to the paragraph
> it belongs to or how you actually can make an impact on Pharo.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Manfred
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 6:33 PM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote:
>
>> Here is the reviewed Preface of UpdatePharoByExample.
>>
>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample for
>> typos...
>>
>> stef
>>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[stepharo]

Thanks!
Fixed!

Le 18/1/16 12:37, Manfred Kröhnert via Pharo-users a écrit :

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

On 18/01/16 03:59, David Allouche wrote:
Send an email to pharo-users-requ...@lists.pharo.org 
 with subject 
"unsubscribe" from the subscribed address.


mailto:pharo-users-requ...@lists.pharo.org?subject=unsubscribe

To all: it would be nice to switch away from Mailman to something mere 
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But please... let's not make it google groups. The way google hides you 
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Cheers,

Offray

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[Johan Fabry]

I may be old-fashioned, but I think that there is nothing wrong with using 
mailman for a list for developers. 

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 13:24, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 18/01/16 03:59, David Allouche wrote:
>> Send an email to pharo-users-requ...@lists.pharo.org 
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>> the subscribed address.
>> 
>> mailto:pharo-users-requ...@lists.pharo.org?subject=unsubscribe 
>> 
>> 
>> To all: it would be nice to switch away from Mailman to something mere 
>> mortals can use. It's not 2000 any more.
>> 
>> 
> 
> But please... let's not make it google groups. The way google hides you can 
> subscribe *without* having a Google account seems to "business and data 
> cropping oriented" to say the least.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Offray



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Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[stepharo]

Yes this is why I started to hate this slack interface today :)


Le 17/1/16 18:44, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
looks great I see you added the link for slack invitation that I could 
not find, awesome


On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:35 PM stepharo > wrote:


Here is the reviewed Preface of UpdatePharoByExample.

https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample
for typos...

stef

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo by Example

[Dimitris Chloupis]

looks great I see you added the link for slack invitation that I could not
find, awesome

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:35 PM stepharo  wrote:

> Here is the reviewed Preface of UpdatePharoByExample.
>
>  https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample
> for typos...
>
> stef
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[stepharo]

Thanks we should really use this.



Le 23/10/15 15:19, Stephan Eggermont a écrit :

On 23-10-15 19:15, Thierry Goubier wrote:

Le 23 oct. 2015 7:00 PM, "Dimitris Chloupis"  a
écrit :


I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some 
screenshots and

someone put them pack


Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version


Wasn't there a way to run Smalltalk code inside pillar? Code that would
open windows, screenshot and return a png.


Well, there is Documentation-Screenshots in 
StephanEggermont/Documentation


You create a DOScreenshotExporter, set its directory and tell it which
forms/morphs/nautilus/world you want stored there under which filename.
I fixed a few remaining bugs today.

I presume you should be able to use it in pillar.

You can use it like

so := DOScreenshotExporter new.
so directory: FileLocator home.
so writeNautilusMethod: DOScreenshotExporter>>#directory: as: 
'directoryMethod.png'


It has methods like
DOScreenshotExporter>>writeNautilusMethod: aMethod as: aFileName
  self writeBlock: [(Nautilus openOnMethod: aMethod) ui window 
imageForm ] as: aFileName


This makes sure to first rename an existing file before overwriting it.

DOScreenshotExporter>>writeBlock: aBlock as: aFileName
  |temp|
  (directory / aFileName) exists ifTrue: [
temp := (directory / aFileName) renameTo: (aFileName,'tmp') ].
  PNGReadWriter putForm: aBlock value onFileNamed: (directory / 
aFileName).

  temp ifNotNil: [ temp ensureDelete ]

Stephan

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Mariano Martinez Peck]

Hi Dimitris,

Thank you very much for your hard work. It was so much needed. In fact, I
need it now :)
I have question... remember the old PBE used to have a VM + image for the
book, which was the image expected to be used while reading the book. Is
there a new VM + image prepared for UPBE? If true, where? If not, then at
least which Pharo version is expected to be used as a reference? 4.0?

Thanks in advance,


On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Stephan Eggermont  wrote:

> On 23-10-15 19:15, Thierry Goubier wrote:
>
>> Le 23 oct. 2015 7:00 PM, "Dimitris Chloupis"  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some screenshots and
>>>
>> someone put them pack
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version
>>>
>>
>> Wasn't there a way to run Smalltalk code inside pillar? Code that would
>> open windows, screenshot and return a png.
>>
>
> Well, there is Documentation-Screenshots in StephanEggermont/Documentation
>
> You create a DOScreenshotExporter, set its directory and tell it which
> forms/morphs/nautilus/world you want stored there under which filename.
> I fixed a few remaining bugs today.
>
> I presume you should be able to use it in pillar.
>
> You can use it like
>
> so := DOScreenshotExporter new.
> so directory: FileLocator home.
> so writeNautilusMethod: DOScreenshotExporter>>#directory: as:
> 'directoryMethod.png'
>
> It has methods like
> DOScreenshotExporter>>writeNautilusMethod: aMethod as: aFileName
>   self writeBlock: [(Nautilus openOnMethod: aMethod) ui window imageForm ]
> as: aFileName
>
> This makes sure to first rename an existing file before overwriting it.
>
> DOScreenshotExporter>>writeBlock: aBlock as: aFileName
>   |temp|
>   (directory / aFileName) exists ifTrue: [
> temp := (directory / aFileName) renameTo: (aFileName,'tmp') ].
>   PNGReadWriter putForm: aBlock value onFileNamed: (directory / aFileName).
>   temp ifNotNil: [ temp ensureDelete ]
>
> Stephan
>
>
>


-- 
Mariano
http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Dimitris Chloupis]

Hello Mariano, thank you for your kind word of course I am one of the many
contributors and UPBE is a collective effort.

We dont have an image right now for UPBE and I think that the best way to
approach this is to make a package for the Catalog Browser . This means you
will be able to use UPBE examples to any image you have instead of being
isolated to a different image.  When this will happen I cant promise
anything since our first priority is to make the documentation as up to
date as possible.

Currently we support Pharo 4 and 5 , with focus of course on Pharo 5.
Obviously in the future the focus will continuously shift towards the
latest version. So when we put the "Updated" to Pharo by Example, we mean
business.


On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 6:04 PM Mariano Martinez Peck 
wrote:

> Hi Dimitris,
>
> Thank you very much for your hard work. It was so much needed. In fact, I
> need it now :)
> I have question... remember the old PBE used to have a VM + image for the
> book, which was the image expected to be used while reading the book. Is
> there a new VM + image prepared for UPBE? If true, where? If not, then at
> least which Pharo version is expected to be used as a reference? 4.0?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Stephan Eggermont 
> wrote:
>
>> On 23-10-15 19:15, Thierry Goubier wrote:
>>
>>> Le 23 oct. 2015 7:00 PM, "Dimitris Chloupis"  a
>>> écrit :
>>>

 I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some screenshots
 and

>>> someone put them pack
>>>

 Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version

>>>
>>> Wasn't there a way to run Smalltalk code inside pillar? Code that would
>>> open windows, screenshot and return a png.
>>>
>>
>> Well, there is Documentation-Screenshots in StephanEggermont/Documentation
>>
>> You create a DOScreenshotExporter, set its directory and tell it which
>> forms/morphs/nautilus/world you want stored there under which filename.
>> I fixed a few remaining bugs today.
>>
>> I presume you should be able to use it in pillar.
>>
>> You can use it like
>>
>> so := DOScreenshotExporter new.
>> so directory: FileLocator home.
>> so writeNautilusMethod: DOScreenshotExporter>>#directory: as:
>> 'directoryMethod.png'
>>
>> It has methods like
>> DOScreenshotExporter>>writeNautilusMethod: aMethod as: aFileName
>>   self writeBlock: [(Nautilus openOnMethod: aMethod) ui window imageForm
>> ] as: aFileName
>>
>> This makes sure to first rename an existing file before overwriting it.
>>
>> DOScreenshotExporter>>writeBlock: aBlock as: aFileName
>>   |temp|
>>   (directory / aFileName) exists ifTrue: [
>> temp := (directory / aFileName) renameTo: (aFileName,'tmp') ].
>>   PNGReadWriter putForm: aBlock value onFileNamed: (directory /
>> aFileName).
>>   temp ifNotNil: [ temp ensureDelete ]
>>
>> Stephan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Mariano
> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Cyril Ferlicot]

The possibility to take automatic screenshot should be added to Pillar
but for now it's just an idea and no one have the time to do it.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Dimitris Chloupis
 wrote:
> I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some screenshots and
> someone put them pack
>
> Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version
>


-- 
Cheers
Cyril Ferlicot

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Thierry Goubier]

Le 23 oct. 2015 7:00 PM, "Dimitris Chloupis"  a
écrit :
>
> I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some screenshots and
someone put them pack
>
> Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version

Wasn't there a way to run Smalltalk code inside pillar? Code that would
open windows, screenshot and return a png.

Thierry

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM Damien Cassou 
wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dimitris Chloupis  writes:
>>
>> > "Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org
and in
>> > HTML version too as for all the other books.
>>
>>
>> please contact "Oscar Nierstrasz"  to:
>>
>> - get the website sources
>> - redirect pharobyexample.org to files.pharo.org/books/pharobyexample
>>
>> > "pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and
external
>> > frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now. "
>> >
>> > What do you mean ?
>>
>>
>> Stephane wants to facilitate migration of UPBE to Pharo 6/7/8/... For
>> that, the book should limit the number of screenshots and fine-grained
>> tutorials such as "Left click Here, press the button name 'That Way',
>> you will see a window looking like That". These fine-grained
>> instructions are a pain to update and need to change with each version
>> of Pharo. It is ok to have some, but not too much.
>>
>> --
>> Damien Cassou
>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>
>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
>>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Dimitris Chloupis]

I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some screenshots and
someone put them pack

Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version


On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM Damien Cassou 
wrote:

>
> Dimitris Chloupis  writes:
>
> > "Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org
> and in
> > HTML version too as for all the other books.
>
>
> please contact "Oscar Nierstrasz"  to:
>
> - get the website sources
> - redirect pharobyexample.org to files.pharo.org/books/pharobyexample
>
> > "pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and external
> > frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now. "
> >
> > What do you mean ?
>
>
> Stephane wants to facilitate migration of UPBE to Pharo 6/7/8/... For
> that, the book should limit the number of screenshots and fine-grained
> tutorials such as "Left click Here, press the button name 'That Way',
> you will see a window looking like That". These fine-grained
> instructions are a pain to update and need to change with each version
> of Pharo. It is ok to have some, but not too much.
>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Stephan Eggermont]

On 23-10-15 19:15, Thierry Goubier wrote:

Le 23 oct. 2015 7:00 PM, "Dimitris Chloupis"  a
écrit :


I completely agree with Stef, I did actually removed some screenshots and

someone put them pack


Maybe I can create a pharo script to auto make them for each version


Wasn't there a way to run Smalltalk code inside pillar? Code that would
open windows, screenshot and return a png.


Well, there is Documentation-Screenshots in StephanEggermont/Documentation

You create a DOScreenshotExporter, set its directory and tell it which
forms/morphs/nautilus/world you want stored there under which filename.
I fixed a few remaining bugs today.

I presume you should be able to use it in pillar.

You can use it like

so := DOScreenshotExporter new.
so directory: FileLocator home.
so writeNautilusMethod: DOScreenshotExporter>>#directory: as: 
'directoryMethod.png'


It has methods like
DOScreenshotExporter>>writeNautilusMethod: aMethod as: aFileName
  self writeBlock: [(Nautilus openOnMethod: aMethod) ui window 
imageForm ] as: aFileName


This makes sure to first rename an existing file before overwriting it.

DOScreenshotExporter>>writeBlock: aBlock as: aFileName
  |temp|
  (directory / aFileName) exists ifTrue: [
temp := (directory / aFileName) renameTo: (aFileName,'tmp') ].
  PNGReadWriter putForm: aBlock value onFileNamed: (directory / aFileName).
  temp ifNotNil: [ temp ensureDelete ]

Stephan

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Damien Cassou]

Dimitris Chloupis  writes:

> "Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org and in
> HTML version too as for all the other books.


please contact "Oscar Nierstrasz"  to:

- get the website sources
- redirect pharobyexample.org to files.pharo.org/books/pharobyexample

> "pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and external
> frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now. "
>
> What do you mean ?


Stephane wants to facilitate migration of UPBE to Pharo 6/7/8/... For
that, the book should limit the number of screenshots and fine-grained
tutorials such as "Left click Here, press the button name 'That Way',
you will see a window looking like That". These fine-grained
instructions are a pain to update and need to change with each version
of Pharo. It is ok to have some, but not too much.

-- 
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Dimitris Chloupis]

I agree and its a good thinking you created this issue. There is no
commitment, no obligation, no strings attaches. We all do what we want to
do. Just because you report an issue does not mean you have to solve the
issue. Reporting an issue is already very helpful and pharo really needs
reporting of issues whether is with the documentation or pharo itself.

This is why I never asked for more people to contribute rather I asked for
existing resources that I have not noticed .

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:55 PM Lyn Headley  wrote:

> [I have submitted the following issue but am posting here for the sake of
> discussion]
>
> Pharo is used by software developers, and software developers depend on
> packages. Therefore I believe that one of the first things a new Pharo user
> will want to do is install packages written by others. But Pharo By Example
> contains no mention of the ConfigurationOfXYZ method of installing packages
> (and does not mention the configuration browser -- an awesome tool for new
> users to get excited about what is out there). You could introduce these
> topics without getting too deep into Metacello, but...
>
> I also think Metacello should be introduced fairly early. Any application
> will almost certainly have dependencies and it is important to be able to
> load your application into a fresh image. Metacello is essential for this,
> so it is essential for Pharo.
>
> Chapter 8 could probably be expanded to include these topics, which are
> more fundamental than Morphic or Seaside. Note that the Seaside chapter
> recommends installing an old one-click image! This is a great chance to use
> Configurations.
>
> What do you think of this idea? And yes, I realize I can contribute this
> myself, but I currently decline the commitment.
>
> Lyn
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Dimitris Chloupis 
> wrote:
>
>> First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.
>>
>> Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we dont need
>> to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
>>
>>
>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf
>>
>> Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just added doc
>> for Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons.
>>
>> If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have the
>> confidence to do it directly , because you dont understand Pillar or you
>> dont feel confident yet with Pharo you can still help me tremendously by
>> adding your comment , your corrected text or your addition documentation as
>> github issue here and I will put it in the book ASAP.
>>
>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues
>>
>> I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to make sure
>> that UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the most up to date
>> documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. But I cannot guarantee
>> for other universes.
>>
>> So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can all make
>> Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better documentation and expand
>> UPBE to every direction.
>>
>> All hail Pharo !
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Lyn Headley]

[I have submitted the following issue but am posting here for the sake of
discussion]

Pharo is used by software developers, and software developers depend on
packages. Therefore I believe that one of the first things a new Pharo user
will want to do is install packages written by others. But Pharo By Example
contains no mention of the ConfigurationOfXYZ method of installing packages
(and does not mention the configuration browser -- an awesome tool for new
users to get excited about what is out there). You could introduce these
topics without getting too deep into Metacello, but...

I also think Metacello should be introduced fairly early. Any application
will almost certainly have dependencies and it is important to be able to
load your application into a fresh image. Metacello is essential for this,
so it is essential for Pharo.

Chapter 8 could probably be expanded to include these topics, which are
more fundamental than Morphic or Seaside. Note that the Seaside chapter
recommends installing an old one-click image! This is a great chance to use
Configurations.

What do you think of this idea? And yes, I realize I can contribute this
myself, but I currently decline the commitment.

Lyn

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Dimitris Chloupis 
wrote:

> First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.
>
> Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we dont need
> to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
>
>
> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf
>
> Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just added doc
> for Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons.
>
> If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have the
> confidence to do it directly , because you dont understand Pillar or you
> dont feel confident yet with Pharo you can still help me tremendously by
> adding your comment , your corrected text or your addition documentation as
> github issue here and I will put it in the book ASAP.
>
> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues
>
> I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to make sure
> that UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the most up to date
> documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. But I cannot guarantee
> for other universes.
>
> So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can all make
> Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better documentation and expand
> UPBE to every direction.
>
> All hail Pharo !
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[stepharo]

Thanks a ***LOT***
I like the one per week at minimum idea and process.


Le 15/10/15 14:42, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :

First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.

Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we dont 
need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here


https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf

Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just added 
doc for Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons.


If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have the 
confidence to do it directly , because you dont understand Pillar or 
you dont feel confident yet with Pharo you can still help me 
tremendously by adding your comment , your corrected text or your 
addition documentation as github issue here and I will put it in the 
book ASAP.


https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues

I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to make 
sure that UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the most up 
to date documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. But I cannot 
guarantee for other universes.


So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can all 
make Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better documentation and 
expand UPBE to every direction.


All hail Pharo !

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Dimitris Chloupis]

"Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org and in
HTML version too as for all the other books.
Damien P and Damien C are working on a better latex template for pillar
generated books."

great to hear, I think not just UPBE but the other books need to be the
first thing a newcomer sees when he or she introduced into Pharo because I
think Pharo documentation is far better today that it used to be 2 years
ago and we need to show the people all the hard work we have done with it.

"pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and external
frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now. "

What do you mean ? As you know I am a supporter of pharo modularity but I
fail to see how that is related to UPBE and I dont think documenting
external frameworks is the focus of UPBE anyway just document what there is
in the pharo image by default at least the core stuff that an average user
is most likely to use.

By any forms of tutorials and articles I did not mean that I will cram
those in UPBE, if they refer to external third party libraries then I will
document them in another book. But I was referring to tutorials and
articles concering things that are part of the pharo image and they are
beginner orientated. For example I am looking at documentation about code
critics, update to the pharo catalog docs, Versionner , Kommiter etc


On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:11 PM stepharo  wrote:

>
>
> Le 15/10/15 18:12, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
>
> thanks guys
>
> I can compromise for the time being with the user not going to the website
> , searching for doc and founding documentation for pharo 1.4 while the
> version he/she has is pharo 5 when we already have a book that is fairly up
> to date.
>
> Is there anyone responsible for the PBE website ? Can we make the change ?
>
>
> Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org and
> in HTML version too as for all the other books.
> Damien P and Damien C are working on a better latex template for pillar
> generated books.
>
>
>
>
>
> Also please use this thread to post your blog posts and own tutorials I
> could use for UPBE. I am in the process of reading the humaneassesment
> documentation but I welcome also others. Any form of tutorial or article is
> welcomed.
>
>
> pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and external
> frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM Damien Cassou 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Dimitris,
>>
>> Dimitris Chloupis  writes:
>>
>> > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.
>> >
>> > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE, we dont
>> > need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
>>
>> I agree UPBE is important. I want to finish EnterprisePharo and the Mooc
>> first and then focus on UPBE. I want to get printed copies of it in book
>> stores as we did we the other books. This will take time, but with your
>> help and the help of the community, we will get there.
>>
>> --
>> Damien Cassou
>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>
>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[stepharo]

Le 15/10/15 18:12, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :

thanks guys

I can compromise for the time being with the user not going to the 
website , searching for doc and founding documentation for pharo 1.4 
while the version he/she has is pharo 5 when we already have a book 
that is fairly up to date.


Is there anyone responsible for the PBE website ? Can we make the 
change ?


Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org and 
in HTML version too as for all the other books.
Damien P and Damien C are working on a better latex template for pillar 
generated books.






Also please use this thread to post your blog posts and own tutorials 
I could use for UPBE. I am in the process of reading the 
humaneassesment documentation but I welcome also others. Any form of 
tutorial or article is welcomed.


pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and external 
frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now.




On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM Damien Cassou > wrote:



Hi Dimitris,

Dimitris Chloupis > writes:

> First of all thanks to all the people helping with the
documentation.
>
> Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE, we dont
> need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here

I agree UPBE is important. I want to finish EnterprisePharo and
the Mooc
first and then focus on UPBE. I want to get printed copies of it
in book
stores as we did we the other books. This will take time, but with
your
help and the help of the community, we will get there.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Tudor Girba]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:10 PM, stepharo  wrote:

>
>
> Le 15/10/15 18:12, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
>
> thanks guys
>
> I can compromise for the time being with the user not going to the website
> , searching for doc and founding documentation for pharo 1.4 while the
> version he/she has is pharo 5 when we already have a book that is fairly up
> to date.
>
> Is there anyone responsible for the PBE website ? Can we make the change ?
>
>
> Yes we can ask oscar and after will host it also at books.pharo.org and
> in HTML version too as for all the other books.
> Damien P and Damien C are working on a better latex template for pillar
> generated books.
>
>
>
>
> Also please use this thread to post your blog posts and own tutorials I
> could use for UPBE. I am in the process of reading the humaneassesment
> documentation but I welcome also others. Any form of tutorial or article is
> welcomed.
>
>
> pay attention. I think that we should minimize UI elements and external
> frameworks because else we will have more work in 4 years from now.
>

2 years :)

Doru



>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM Damien Cassou 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Dimitris,
>>
>> Dimitris Chloupis  writes:
>>
>> > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.
>> >
>> > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE, we dont
>> > need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
>>
>> I agree UPBE is important. I want to finish EnterprisePharo and the Mooc
>> first and then focus on UPBE. I want to get printed copies of it in book
>> stores as we did we the other books. This will take time, but with your
>> help and the help of the community, we will get there.
>>
>> --
>> Damien Cassou
>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>
>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
>>
>>
>


-- 
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

Thank you for taking care of this update, this is a very important community 
resource.

> On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:42, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
> 
> First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation. 
> 
> Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we dont need to 
> change the website just link to the newest pdf here
> 
> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf
> 
> Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just added doc for 
> Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons. 
> 
> If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have the confidence 
> to do it directly , because you dont understand Pillar or you dont feel 
> confident yet with Pharo you can still help me tremendously by adding your 
> comment , your corrected text or your addition documentation as github issue 
> here and I will put it in the book ASAP. 
> 
> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues
> 
> I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to make sure that 
> UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the most up to date 
> documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. But I cannot guarantee for 
> other universes. 
> 
> So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can all make 
> Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better documentation and expand UPBE 
> to every direction. 
> 
> All hail Pharo ! 

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Alexandre Bergel]

Good job

Alexandre
-- 
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Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.



> On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Dimitris Chloupis  wrote:
> 
> First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation. 
> 
> Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we dont need to 
> change the website just link to the newest pdf here
> 
> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just added doc for 
> Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons. 
> 
> If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have the confidence 
> to do it directly , because you dont understand Pillar or you dont feel 
> confident yet with Pharo you can still help me tremendously by adding your 
> comment , your corrected text or your addition documentation as github issue 
> here and I will put it in the book ASAP. 
> 
> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues 
> 
> 
> I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to make sure that 
> UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the most up to date 
> documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. But I cannot guarantee for 
> other universes. 
> 
> So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can all make 
> Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better documentation and expand UPBE 
> to every direction. 
> 
> All hail Pharo ! 

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Thanks a lot Dimitris! It was really needed. Now I can point to updated 
documentation in my data week workshops here.


Cheers,

Offray

On 15/10/15 08:47, Tudor Girba wrote:

+1!

Doru

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe > wrote:


Thank you for taking care of this update, this is a very important
community resource.

> On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:42, Dimitris Chloupis
> wrote:
>
> First of all thanks to all the people helping with the
documentation.
>
> Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we
dont need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
>
>

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf
>
> Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just
added doc for Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons.
>
> If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have
the confidence to do it directly , because you dont understand
Pillar or you dont feel confident yet with Pharo you can still
help me tremendously by adding your comment , your corrected text
or your addition documentation as github issue here and I will put
it in the book ASAP.
>
>
https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues
>
> I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to
make sure that UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the
most up to date documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe.
But I cannot guarantee for other universes.
>
> So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can
all make Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better
documentation and expand UPBE to every direction.
>
> All hail Pharo !





--
www.tudorgirba.com 

"Every thing has its own flow"

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Dimitris Chloupis]

thanks guys

I can compromise for the time being with the user not going to the website
, searching for doc and founding documentation for pharo 1.4 while the
version he/she has is pharo 5 when we already have a book that is fairly up
to date.

Is there anyone responsible for the PBE website ? Can we make the change ?

Also please use this thread to post your blog posts and own tutorials I
could use for UPBE. I am in the process of reading the humaneassesment
documentation but I welcome also others. Any form of tutorial or article is
welcomed.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM Damien Cassou 
wrote:

>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> Dimitris Chloupis  writes:
>
> > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.
> >
> > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE, we dont
> > need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
>
> I agree UPBE is important. I want to finish EnterprisePharo and the Mooc
> first and then focus on UPBE. I want to get printed copies of it in book
> stores as we did we the other books. This will take time, but with your
> help and the help of the community, we will get there.
>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

[Tudor Girba]

+1!

Doru

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe  wrote:

> Thank you for taking care of this update, this is a very important
> community resource.
>
> > On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:42, Dimitris Chloupis 
> wrote:
> >
> > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation.
> >
> > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we dont need
> to change the website just link to the newest pdf here
> >
> >
> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/book-result/UpdatedPharoByExample.pdf
> >
> > Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just added
> doc for Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons.
> >
> > If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have the
> confidence to do it directly , because you dont understand Pillar or you
> dont feel confident yet with Pharo you can still help me tremendously by
> adding your comment , your corrected text or your addition documentation as
> github issue here and I will put it in the book ASAP.
> >
> > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues
> >
> > I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to make sure
> that UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the most up to date
> documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. But I cannot guarantee
> for other universes.
> >
> > So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can all
> make Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better documentation and
> expand UPBE to every direction.
> >
> > All hail Pharo !
>
>
>


-- 
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"