Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

In Colombia we had very violent and bad times at the 80's and that bad 
press endures until today, even despite of being a country full of 
wonderful people and places.


And yes, I think that we need to make something. It's curious because 
programming tries to remain abstract but programmers are concrete people 
with countries, families, ties. I'm trying an alternative approach that 
binds programming to the reality by not starting with the 
sad/uninteresting "hello world examples", but with making sense of a 
complex human world by using data. Usually that means scraping data, 
think of it as a political construction instead of a "neutral" one and a 
critical approaches to problems. I'm not saying this is some kind of 
"solution", but another place to start thinking in how our everyday 
programming language and environment can help to build democracy and 
understanding by education, instead of being co-opted by the language of 
war.


With solidarity,

Offray

On 15/11/15 04:23, abdelghani ALIDRA wrote:


Indeed, This is a very sad day.
I sincerly sympathize with people of France.
In Algeria, we have known such barbarian actions in the 90's (and much 
more unfortunately, may you be preserved)
But today we got rid of it. And I hope France will do too. In fact, I 
am quite sure it will.


I finaly would like to say that those sick people do not represent us.
They are stupid ignorants and we muslims, have been their first 
victims in Algeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ... and 
unfortunately, as Stef said, their evil will expand everywhere if 
nothing is done to stop them.




Abdelghani


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Hi guys

I just want to let you that France got attacked by kamizazes probably
from these fanatics
ruining syria and we are touched. 120 people killed: they attacked a
rock concert and
restaurants in the street in Paris. They killed people randomly and as
birds.
I hope that such attacks will not happen in your country but if we do
not do anything
I doubt it will not expand.

And sadly this is just the beginning because this is a terrible war in
fact. Democracy and
our model are threatened and I hope our countries will realize that we
have to react.

Stef





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Thanks I just woke up and heard these terrible news.
To me when a human believes that another one is not worth more than a
dog and we can kill it for free, we cannot
expect much.

I really hope that people will not vote for extreme right because it
would be terrible in addition.
Now I hope that our goverment will have a really strong reaction.
And the problem with democracy is that it is mild in general but in fact
this is a war.
When you imagine that in France an imam is able to say that if kids
listen music they will go to hell.


I'm really happy that France got in africa fighting against people that
can destroy the oldest libraries
because else we would have even more trouble because we are at two hours
from algeria, marocco.
Now we pay the price and it will continue.

Stef

Le 14/11/15 06:08, Hern?n Morales Durand a ?crit :
> Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
> about the future of human kind.
>
> Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
>
> Hern?n
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Robert Withers]

It is so very sad. Sad that it was done and sad that it can be done. 
There is no real way to stop them or it would end our open societies. 
They must decide not to kill innocent people. The only ones who can get 
them to decide that is complete, global and total condemnation from the 
Ummah. Unfortunately, there are high numbers of Imams who issue Fatwas 
in support. And the majority of the Ummah are too scared to object. For 
instance, a top Jordanian Salafi Sheikh stated it was permissible to 
kill Israeli women and children. Oh, really?


If we can't trust Imams to promote non-violence and the Ummah is 
required to step up, it all rests on the Mu'minoon picking up weapons 
against these Quranic terrorists and actively sending these Munafiqoon 
to Jahannam.


Peace to Paris,
Robert

On 11/15/2015 04:23 AM, abdelghani ALIDRA wrote:


Indeed, This is a very sad day.
I sincerly sympathize with people of France.
In Algeria, we have known such barbarian actions in the 90's (and much 
more unfortunately, may you be preserved)
But today we got rid of it. And I hope France will do too. In fact, I 
am quite sure it will.


I finaly would like to say that those sick people do not represent us.
They are stupid ignorants and we muslims, have been their first 
victims in Algeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ... and 
unfortunately, as Stef said, their evil will expand everywhere if 
nothing is done to stop them.




Abdelghani


Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:13:32 +0100
From: stepharo <steph...@free.fr <mailto:steph...@free.fr>>
To: Pharo Development List <pharo-...@lists.pharo.org>, Any question
about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
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Hi guys

I just want to let you that France got attacked by kamizazes probably
from these fanatics
ruining syria and we are touched. 120 people killed: they attacked a
rock concert and
restaurants in the street in Paris. They killed people randomly and as
birds.
I hope that such attacks will not happen in your country but if we do
not do anything
I doubt it will not expand.

And sadly this is just the beginning because this is a terrible war in
fact. Democracy and
our model are threatened and I hope our countries will realize that we
have to react.

Stef





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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:21:26 +0100
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To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world
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Thanks I just woke up and heard these terrible news.
To me when a human believes that another one is not worth more than a
dog and we can kill it for free, we cannot
expect much.

I really hope that people will not vote for extreme right because it
would be terrible in addition.
Now I hope that our goverment will have a really strong reaction.
And the problem with democracy is that it is mild in general but in fact
this is a war.
When you imagine that in France an imam is able to say that if kids
listen music they will go to hell.


I'm really happy that France got in africa fighting against people that
can destroy the oldest libraries
because else we would have even more trouble because we are at two hours
from algeria, marocco.
Now we pay the price and it will continue.

Stef

Le 14/11/15 06:08, Hern?n Morales Durand a ?crit :
> Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
> about the future of human kind.
>
> Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
>
> Hern?n
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[abdelghani ALIDRA]

I more or less agree with you Robert.It partially relies on Muslims to fight 
against those terrorists. This is exactly what we did in Algeria in the 90's 
and today this is still happening in Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. But 
unfortunately they are moving their battlefield to the rest of the world.
Imams are not infallible, but the common sense of people is and I believe it 
should be trusted.
Abdelghani

Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:19:43 -0500
From: Robert Withers <robert.w.with...@gmail.com>
To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world
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It is so very sad. Sad that it was done and sad that it can be done. 
There is no real way to stop them or it would end our open societies. 
They must decide not to kill innocent people. The only ones who can get 
them to decide that is complete, global and total condemnation from the 
Ummah. Unfortunately, there are high numbers of Imams who issue Fatwas 
in support. And the majority of the Ummah are too scared to object. For 
instance, a top Jordanian Salafi Sheikh stated it was permissible to 
kill Israeli women and children. Oh, really?

If we can't trust Imams to promote non-violence and the Ummah is 
required to step up, it all rests on the Mu'minoon picking up weapons 
against these Quranic terrorists and actively sending these Munafiqoon 
to Jahannam.

Peace to Paris,
Robert

On 11/15/2015 04:23 AM, abdelghani ALIDRA wrote:
>
> Indeed, This is a very sad day.
> I sincerly sympathize with people of France.
> In Algeria, we have known such barbarian actions in the 90's (and much 
> more unfortunately, may you be preserved)
> But today we got rid of it. And I hope France will do too. In fact, I 
> am quite sure it will.
>
> I finaly would like to say that those sick people do not represent us.
> They are stupid ignorants and we muslims, have been their first 
> victims in Algeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ... and 
> unfortunately, as Stef said, their evil will expand everywhere if 
> nothing is done to stop them.
>
>
>
> Abdelghani
>
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:13:32 +0100
> From: stepharo <steph...@free.fr <mailto:steph...@free.fr>>
> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-...@lists.pharo.org>, Any question
>    about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
> Subject: [Pharo-users] Democracy attacked...
> Message-ID: <5646df1c.5030...@free.fr <mailto:5646df1c.5030...@free.fr>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi guys
>
> I just want to let you that France got attacked by kamizazes probably
> from these fanatics
> ruining syria and we are touched. 120 people killed: they attacked a
> rock concert and
> restaurants in the street in Paris. They killed people randomly and as
> birds.
> I hope that such attacks will not happen in your country but if we do
> not do anything
> I doubt it will not expand.
>
> And sadly this is just the beginning because this is a terrible war in
> fact. Democracy and
> our model are threatened and I hope our countries will realize that we
> have to react.
>
> Stef
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:21:26 +0100
> From: stepharo <steph...@free.fr <mailto:steph...@free.fr>>
> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world
> Message-ID: <5646e0f6.8060...@free.fr <mailto:5646e0f6.8060...@free.fr>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Thanks I just woke up and heard these terrible news.
> To me when a human believes that another one is not worth more than a
> dog and we can kill it for free, we cannot
> expect much.
>
> I really hope that people will not vote for extreme right because it
> would be terrible in addition.
> Now I hope that our goverment will have a really strong reaction.
> And the problem with democracy is that it is mild in general but in fact
> this is a war.
> When you imagine that in France an imam is able to say that if kids
> listen music they will go to hell.
>
>
> I'm really happy that France got in africa fighting against people that
> can destroy the oldest libraries
> because else we would have even more trouble because we are at two hours
> from algeria, marocco.
> Now we pay the price and it will continue.
>
> Stef
>
> Le 14/11/15 06:08, Hern?n Morales Durand a ?crit :
> > Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
> > about the future of human kind.
> >
> > Love and strength to the people in Paris 

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Hernán Morales Durand]

Once I read a quote but it wasn't until today I researched it was written
by Sébastien Châteillon, a french theologian and humanist:

"To kill a man to uphold an idea, is not upholding an idea. It s killing a
man."

May we never forget those words.

Hernán

2015-11-15 14:00 GMT-03:00 Robert Shiplett :

> pour la transition et NON aux terroristes !
>
> On 14 November 2015 at 15:01, p...@highoctane.be 
> wrote:
>
>> These guys are clinging to a model of the past instead of making the
>> necessary changes to deal with the modernity transition challenge.
>>
>> China transitioned, India transitioned, South Asia transitioned. They
>> aren't.
>>
>> France has been directly involved in Lybia, Syria, and Mali to fight they
>> archaic model. France is all they hate. And all we love. Freedom, fun,
>> curiosity, questioning, science, progress.
>>
>> We should have crushed them in Syria already.
>>
>> Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJm4C_XZtA for an
>> indepth geostrategic view (french).
>>
>> I am sad. But at the same time my resolve is stronger than ever. We need
>> to stand for our values.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Tudor Girba 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My mind stopped for a while when I heard what happened. The way in which
>>> it happened made me inevitably wonder about the kindness of human kind.
>>> It’s a sad feeling even from afar and I cannot imagine what people that are
>>> closer to the event might feel.
>>>
>>> I wish you all strength to go through this and wisdom to go beyond it.
>>>
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
>>> hernan.mora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
>>> about the future of human kind.
>>> >
>>> > Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
>>> >
>>> > Hernán
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>
>>> "Obvious things are difficult to teach."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Robert Shiplett]

pour la transition et NON aux terroristes !

On 14 November 2015 at 15:01, p...@highoctane.be  wrote:

> These guys are clinging to a model of the past instead of making the
> necessary changes to deal with the modernity transition challenge.
>
> China transitioned, India transitioned, South Asia transitioned. They
> aren't.
>
> France has been directly involved in Lybia, Syria, and Mali to fight they
> archaic model. France is all they hate. And all we love. Freedom, fun,
> curiosity, questioning, science, progress.
>
> We should have crushed them in Syria already.
>
> Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJm4C_XZtA for an indepth
> geostrategic view (french).
>
> I am sad. But at the same time my resolve is stronger than ever. We need
> to stand for our values.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Tudor Girba  wrote:
>
>> My mind stopped for a while when I heard what happened. The way in which
>> it happened made me inevitably wonder about the kindness of human kind.
>> It’s a sad feeling even from afar and I cannot imagine what people that are
>> closer to the event might feel.
>>
>> I wish you all strength to go through this and wisdom to go beyond it.
>>
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
>> hernan.mora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
>> about the future of human kind.
>> >
>> > Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
>> >
>> > Hernán
>> >
>>
>> --
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>
>> "Obvious things are difficult to teach."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Thierry Goubier]

Le 14/11/2015 06:08, Hernán Morales Durand a écrit :

Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
about the future of human kind.

Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.


Thanks for your concern; it is very much appreciated :(

Thierry

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Stephan Eggermont]

What a sad news from Paris.
Lots of love and strength, and wisdom in finding the right
course of action in reacting to these terrible actions.

Stephan

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[Tudor Girba]

My mind stopped for a while when I heard what happened. The way in which it 
happened made me inevitably wonder about the kindness of human kind. It’s a sad 
feeling even from afar and I cannot imagine what people that are closer to the 
event might feel. 

I wish you all strength to go through this and wisdom to go beyond it.

Doru


> On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Hernán Morales Durand  
> wrote:
> 
> Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened about 
> the future of human kind.
> 
> Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
> 
> Hernán
> 

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Obvious things are difficult to teach."

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[p...@highoctane.be]

These guys are clinging to a model of the past instead of making the
necessary changes to deal with the modernity transition challenge.

China transitioned, India transitioned, South Asia transitioned. They
aren't.

France has been directly involved in Lybia, Syria, and Mali to fight they
archaic model. France is all they hate. And all we love. Freedom, fun,
curiosity, questioning, science, progress.

We should have crushed them in Syria already.

Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJm4C_XZtA for an indepth
geostrategic view (french).

I am sad. But at the same time my resolve is stronger than ever. We need to
stand for our values.

Phil


On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Tudor Girba  wrote:

> My mind stopped for a while when I heard what happened. The way in which
> it happened made me inevitably wonder about the kindness of human kind.
> It’s a sad feeling even from afar and I cannot imagine what people that are
> closer to the event might feel.
>
> I wish you all strength to go through this and wisdom to go beyond it.
>
> Doru
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Hernán Morales Durand <
> hernan.mora...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened
> about the future of human kind.
> >
> > Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
> >
> > Hernán
> >
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
>
> "Obvious things are difficult to teach."
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[stepharo]

Thanks doru.
When you watch the videos they are really shocking. It is hard to 
believe that they shot people in the cafe.


Now I heard a really interesting point from a french reporter: he said 
that daesh cannot destroy french, europe or democratie
but we can destroy ourselves if as a country we react badly (like 
getting anti muslim, getting a bad society, closing our borders, voting 
for the ultra right)
Because Marine LePen does not represent France and they got really bad 
solution.


Stef

Le 14/11/15 14:18, Tudor Girba a écrit :

My mind stopped for a while when I heard what happened. The way in which it 
happened made me inevitably wonder about the kindness of human kind. It’s a sad 
feeling even from afar and I cannot imagine what people that are closer to the 
event might feel.

I wish you all strength to go through this and wisdom to go beyond it.

Doru



On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Hernán Morales Durand  
wrote:

Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened about the 
future of human kind.

Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.

Hernán


--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Obvious things are difficult to teach."

Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world

[stepharo]

Thanks for the link it was really interesting.

Stef


Le 14/11/15 20:01, p...@highoctane.be a écrit :
These guys are clinging to a model of the past instead of making the 
necessary changes to deal with the modernity transition challenge.


China transitioned, India transitioned, South Asia transitioned. They 
aren't.


France has been directly involved in Lybia, Syria, and Mali to fight 
they archaic model. France is all they hate. And all we love. Freedom, 
fun, curiosity, questioning, science, progress.


We should have crushed them in Syria already.

Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJm4C_XZtA for an 
indepth geostrategic view (french).


I am sad. But at the same time my resolve is stronger than ever. We 
need to stand for our values.


Phil


On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Tudor Girba > wrote:


My mind stopped for a while when I heard what happened. The way in
which it happened made me inevitably wonder about the kindness of
human kind. It’s a sad feeling even from afar and I cannot imagine
what people that are closer to the event might feel.

I wish you all strength to go through this and wisdom to go beyond it.

Doru


> On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Hernán Morales Durand
> wrote:
>
> Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and
frightened about the future of human kind.
>
> Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
>
> Hernán
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com 

"Obvious things are difficult to teach."