[Phono-L] tape residue
You can use Goo Gone to remove the tape residue and it won't hurt the part. I bought some at Walmart and it really does the job even got gum out of my kids hair. Jackie - Original Message - From: "Richard Rubin" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] tape residue > Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which > someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I > assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and > though it has since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on > the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving > the arm's original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing > so? Thanks in adance for your ideas. > > --RR > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] tape residue
Perhaps it appears to be pewter because it is actually a very oxidised nickel finish? Andy On Jun 24, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Richard Rubin wrote: > I believe the finish is actually hammered pewter. Would lacquer > thinner or Goo-Gone be safe on that?
[Phono-L] tape residue
In that case I would use Trilby's Hammered Pewter Finish Rejuvenator. It is only available in England. P.S. - I trust you are kidding about the hammered pewter finish... John Robles Richard Rubin wrote: I believe the finish is actually hammered pewter. Would lacquer thinner or Goo-Gone be safe on that? >From: Andrew Baron >Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List >To: Antique Phonograph List >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] tape residue >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:44:52 -0600 > >Solvent. > >If it's a nickel-plated arm (more durable than the gold plating), Lacquer >thinner should harmlessly cut right through that stubborn residut, melt it >and leave the metal clean and unharmed, with two or three successive >applications. I'd make two recommendations before embarking on this: >Remove the arm from the machine (by removing the screws around the flange >of the black base of the arm, where it meets the wood); and keep the >thinner away from the painted support, keep it from dripping on it too. > >Oh yes - and do this outside or with plenty of ventilation and let it air >dry thoroughly, both inside and out, before reinstalling on the machine. > >Andy > >On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Richard Rubin wrote: > >>Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which >>someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I >>assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and >>though it has since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on >>the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving >>the arm's original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing >>so? Thanks in adance for your ideas. >> >>--RR >> >> >>___ >>Phono-L mailing list >>http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] OT-vintage car
Hi Douglas ~ In addition to phonographs, RCA theremin, player piano and old cars, we both have the 1941 Chevrolet 5-band shortwave radio. The difference is that you have the car that fits the radio! I also have a 1942 Chevrolet 5-band shortwave radio, but it's missing the front dial surround assembly. This isn't meant to be a serious comparison. Though I do have those items, my collection is very small and simple. Thanks for sharing this exciting list of automobiles. I can just picture the porcelain on those Cadillac exhaust manifolds. Closest I ever got to something like this was doing wiring harness work and a radio overhaul on a local collector's '37 LaSalle. Andy Baron On Jun 24, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: > Come on, now, Peter, it ain't that bad. Lots of guys have more than > I have. > I just didn't know when to quit. They're the same as when you were > here. > > Chevrolet 41 Convertible > Olds 41 Conv. 4 Dr. > Cad 38 60S > Cad 38 90 (V16) Twn Sed > Cad 39 90 (V16) 5Pass. Cpe. > Cad 41 60S Fml.sed. > Cad 41 62 Conv Cpe > Cad 41 62 Conv Sed > Cad 41 62 Club Cpe > Cad 56 Conv. > Cad 70 Conv > > Back in 1960, I bought the RCA 45 RPM upside down phono from > Chrysler. I > installed it in the '56 Cadillac Convert. that was my everyday > driver at > the time, and it worked pretty good. But, the stylus pressure in it is > necessarily high, and it was Hell on records. I kept it when I sold > the > car, and I'll probably install it in the '56 convert that I now > have, when > I get it on the road. I'll be VERY selective what records I put on it, > though. > > Also, since I'm a radio nut, I have the 5 band radio in the Chevy. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Peter Fraser >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Date: 6/24/2007 1:34:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car >> >> ah, we have all been way too quiet lately anyway. here's mine, if >> they count as "vintage": >> >> 1960 Buick Electra 225 conv. >> 1960 Chrysler New Yorker Town and Country wagon >> 1969 Alfa Romeo Spider "Duetto" >> >> but, fair warning: Houston's gonna blow all the rest of us into the >> weeds when he tells what's in his garages. >> >> On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: >> >>> Hi Doug ~ >>> >>> Replying briefly to list since some others have old iron as well ; >>> after that will correspond off-list if any interest in further >>> conversation. >>> >>> 1929 Chevrolet coupe >>> 1950 Pontiac convertible (the one I had out yesterday). >>> >>> All Best, >>> Andy >>> >>> From: cdh...@earthlink.net >>> Subject:Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 >>> Date: June 23, 2007 9:44:16 PM MDT >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Reply-To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> >>> What kind of vintage car you got? >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] How to get Edison motor plate to clear the trip lever on early disc machines
Hi Mark ~ I had the same thought about the rivet potentially loosening with wear, and I think you make a very sound point (no pun intended) about it being hinged to get it to clear the motor plate when lifting for service. I believe I have a good answer to your question about how to easily disengage the horn driving mechanism to allow the motor plate to swing up completely without interference. My A-200 has the rigid (non swinging) stop finger, and plenty of evidence (in the form of scraped paint on the motor board) to indicate that the motor board has been scraped against it many times. I discovered that it is really quite easy to prevent this interference, with no disassembly of hard to reach parts, by simply lifting the entire horn/arm assembly straight up out of the round socket (fastened to the floor of the horn chamber; the metal part that accepts the bottom end of the horn pivot shaft). You can rest the bottom of the ball-end at the bottom of the shaft on the rim of the socket, instead of down in the hole, and this will lift the trip lever, affording the clearance to swing the motor plate up without risking damage. I'm not aware of any A-series uprights that don't have the hinged motor plate. I have always assumed that the three-bolted bracket motor plate mounting came starting in early 1915, along with the B- series standardized machines. Andy Baron On Jun 23, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Mark Lynch wrote: > Andy, > > Please add the mahogany A250 in my collection, serial number 3215, > to the > list that uses the two piece hinged stop finger. > > I hesitate to describe this as a "user adjustable" or "semi > automatic" stop > until that has be established through research. The use a riveted > joint to > provide stop adjustment is not good engineering prctice because the > joint > would soon wear and slip. Also, notice the tab to hold the finger > in the > fully extended position as in the one piece design. > > I that suspect that the hinged finger has to do with motor > servicing. The > A-250 motor plate is not bolted to the case like on the later C-250 > but > hinged on the right in the same way as theAmberola 1 (B) mechanism. To > service the Amberola the motor it is tilted up on the left and > placed on > the metal prop at the left end. I think this was planned for the > A-250. > Being able to retract the stop finger from overhanging the motorplate > provided the ability to do this. What is not clear to me at this > point is > how to easily disengage the horn drive mechanism (rack) to allow > the motor > plate to swing up completely without removing it from the pivots. > Perhaps > we can investigate this. If it was not found impractical perhaps > the hinged > finger design was scrapped. > > Are there examples of A-250's without the hinged motor plate which > use the > later 3 bolt mounting design? That would also be a reason to > abandon the > hinged stop finger. > > I would be most happy if you post the results of your survey. > > Peter, thanks for posting the photos. > > Best Regards, > Mark > Silver Spring, MD > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Andrew Baron >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Date: 6/23/2007 11:05:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 >> >> Thanks, Peter for this very welcome report. I've just returned from >> a day out in my vintage car and will take some time to review these >> latest comments and reply, most likely tomorrow. >> >> Thanks also for posting the images and password so that others can >> conveniently view them. >> >> Fascinating stuff about the serial numbers. I can add more to this >> when I get a moment. >> >> Thanks to Peter, Ron, George, John, Rich and Bruce for the input. If >> any others of our readers have more to add to the serial numbers and >> details of the A-250 or other first-generation D.D. phonographs, I'd >> love to include the data in our compilation. >> >> Best to All, >> Andy Baron >> >> On Jun 23, 2007, at 5:24 PM, john robles wrote: >> >>> "The highest Model A 250 serial number I've ever seen was in the >>> mid-12,000 range of numbers". >>> Hmm, my own A250 is numbered 12080, so I guess it is later in >>> production than I thought. Either that or it is the one that Ron is >>> talking about since he's been to my house a few times. >>> There is another difference int he A-250 that I haven't found in >>> the others. The lock mechanism takes a key that has only one notch >>> cut into the 'tooth', not two as in all other DDs I have had or >>> seen. I have a Dolphin key that has the one notch cut in it as the >>> other will not fit. >>> John Robles >>> >>> Peter Fraser wrote: >>> Hi - >>> >>> Well, I heard back from Ron Dethlefson, and enclose his response >>> below. >>> >>> And here are the pictures of Andy's machine, plus some additional >>> oxidozed bronze hardware pix from Bruce Mercer: >>> >>> http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233.html >>>
[Phono-L] "Official" Questionnaire for early Edison disc phonographs
NOTE: This is a resend as the first attempt has not come through. In the event that it comes in but with the subject line all in caps, it is a repeat of what appears below and can be ignored. I've broken up the web link that shows the photos of early vs. late details into segments, in case that resulted in the first attempt not coming through. Hello everyone and my HEARTFELT APPRECIATION for what has been provided thus far. To make it easier to keep track of a number of common variations in these fascinating and someone obscure early machines, I've put some time into developing a questionnaire that can be filled out and emailed to the group (see below). Note that there are a number of questions pertaining to the grill, which I've added for the benefit of Brian Krapes who is reproducing quality grilles for a number of Edison Disc Phonographs. Submissions can be anonymous. The point is to add to the relatively sparse documentation of the variations found on these first- generation Edison Disc machines, so that we can all gain a better understanding of how specific examples of these models fit the overall picture of the earliest offerings sold to the public. With luck, serial numbers, dataplate dates and printed form dates may point to trends or even dates of manufacture, when compared to the features listed. An example of this is that my A-250 serial number SM-13417 can be dated to November to early December 1914, a narrow window of time of approximately 5 weeks, 93 years ago, because it has the tone modulator, which Frow indicates was begun during November 1914, and we know that the Edison Phonograph Works burned on December 9, 1914. As a result, we can establish that the serial numbers for A-250's in the late winter of 1914 were in the 13,000's. I realize that this isn't the most scientific approach, but with enough data from collectors we can attempt to fill the gaps. Please feel free to add information on A-60, A-80, A-150, A-200, as well as A-250 and higher priced models. The first line is for the model number. I'll post my own answers to the official questionnaire shortly for my two A-250's and my A-200. Best regards to all, Andy Baron To see early vs. late details, Refer to photos posted on: (type) http:// (then:) homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233 (and finally:) .html Directions from Peter Fraser on accessing these photos: the password is "pook2e" (no quotes). For large-scale versions of the pix, use the slideshow button, or single-click the individual shot in which you're interested. THE QUESTIONNAIRE: 1) Model number: (A-80, A-200, A-250, etc.): 1a) Serial number: (SM-_); 1b) Serial number stamped on bedplate, under platter, if different: (_ A1); 2) Type of start/stop levers: (Early / Late - non adjustable stop position); 3) Bedplate corner detail: (Early / Late); 4) Number of pivoting oil hole covers on bedplate: (1 or 2); 5) Tone modulator Present? (yes / no); 6) Type of key escutcheon: (Without nail holes / with nail holes - surface mount); 7) Depth inside the upper groove that accommodates top of grill: (1/4? / 1/2? or other); 7a) Tongue present at grill top & bottom, or is grill top & bottom width 3/4? smooth?; 7b) Thickness of fretwork portion of grill: (1/4? / 5/16? / 3/8? / other - please provide); 7c) Overall height of outer grill frame: (13 3/4?, 13 7/8?, other - please provide); 8) Louvres on cabinet as per Amberola A-1? (yes / no); 9) Side veneer, number of sections per side: (1 or 2); 10) Form 632 present? (yes / no); 10a) Location of Form 632: (inside of back door / floor of horn compartment / other); 10b) Printer?s date at bottom of Form 632: (none / 11-20-12 / 8-20-14 / other - please provide); 11) Latest patent date on dataplate: ( 8-26-11 / 3-11-13 / other - please provide); 12 Other notes: (Any additional information of interest); 13) Owner (optional):
[Phono-L] tape residue
I believe the finish is actually hammered pewter. Would lacquer thinner or Goo-Gone be safe on that? >From: Andrew Baron >Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List >To: Antique Phonograph List >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] tape residue >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:44:52 -0600 > >Solvent. > >If it's a nickel-plated arm (more durable than the gold plating), Lacquer >thinner should harmlessly cut right through that stubborn residut, melt it >and leave the metal clean and unharmed, with two or three successive >applications. I'd make two recommendations before embarking on this: >Remove the arm from the machine (by removing the screws around the flange >of the black base of the arm, where it meets the wood); and keep the >thinner away from the painted support, keep it from dripping on it too. > >Oh yes - and do this outside or with plenty of ventilation and let it air >dry thoroughly, both inside and out, before reinstalling on the machine. > >Andy > >On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Richard Rubin wrote: > >>Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which >>someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I >>assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and >>though it has since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on >>the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving >>the arm's original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing >>so? Thanks in adance for your ideas. >> >>--RR >> >> >>___ >>Phono-L mailing list >>http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] tape residue
Depending on the toughness of the residue, I would recommend a product called Goo-Gone, which is formulated from orange oil and is made for removing residues such as this. With old residue you might have to soak it pretty well, but Goo Gone is a great and safe product to use. If you remove the tonearm to treat the problem, don't forget the tiny ballbearings upon which the tonearm rests in the bracket. They are easy to lose! John Robles Andrew Baron wrote: Solvent. If it's a nickel-plated arm (more durable than the gold plating), Lacquer thinner should harmlessly cut right through that stubborn residut, melt it and leave the metal clean and unharmed, with two or three successive applications. I'd make two recommendations before embarking on this: Remove the arm from the machine (by removing the screws around the flange of the black base of the arm, where it meets the wood); and keep the thinner away from the painted support, keep it from dripping on it too. Oh yes - and do this outside or with plenty of ventilation and let it air dry thoroughly, both inside and out, before reinstalling on the machine. Andy On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Richard Rubin wrote: > Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in > which someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to > keep it (I assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for > many years, and though it has since been removed, there is a wide > band of tape residue on the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove > this residue while preserving the arm's original finish. What is > the best and/or easiest way of doing so? Thanks in adance for your > ideas. > > --RR > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] tape residue
There is a fairly gentle product called Goo Gone that works really well on adhesives of all kinds. You could get some and try it on some inconspicuous place to make sure it left the finish alone. On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:08:01 -0400, Richard Rubin wrote: >Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which someone >had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I assume) from >swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and though it has >since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on the arm. >Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving the arm's >original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing so? Thanks >in adance for your ideas. >--RR >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From filerph...@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 24 19:07:05 2007 From: filerph...@bellsouth.net (Joe Filer) Date: Sun Jun 24 20:21:49 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car Message-ID: <20070625020705.xtai12798.ibm67aec.bellsouth@mail.bellsouth.net> My first love was old cars. I discovered phonographs soon after my son was born and I needed an "indoor" hobby while he was an infant. Sold my 1970 Corvette (loaded big block, for those who know Vettes), and the 1956 Ford F-100 pickup (since it didn't have seatbelts) and moved my new hobby into the kitchen until he could "walk" outside to the garage with me. I have owned several cars and way too many phonos. Here's my current driver, a 1966 Corvette. Not old enough, you say? Sorry, ..wanna race? :) http://hometown.aol.com/Filerphono/vette1 Joe Filer > > From: taediso...@aol.com > Date: 2007/06/24 Sun PM 08:14:39 EST > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car > > My daily driver is a 1928 Model A "Fordor" sedan. I tried putting in a CD > player a few years ago but the vibration of the car caused it to skip. If I > can > ever find tiny speakers that have adequate volume and sound quality I'd love > to just stick an Ipod Shuffle behind the dash panel and load it up with > period music... > > Best regards, > Rene Rondeau > > > > ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
[Phono-L] tape residue
Solvent. If it's a nickel-plated arm (more durable than the gold plating), Lacquer thinner should harmlessly cut right through that stubborn residut, melt it and leave the metal clean and unharmed, with two or three successive applications. I'd make two recommendations before embarking on this: Remove the arm from the machine (by removing the screws around the flange of the black base of the arm, where it meets the wood); and keep the thinner away from the painted support, keep it from dripping on it too. Oh yes - and do this outside or with plenty of ventilation and let it air dry thoroughly, both inside and out, before reinstalling on the machine. Andy On Jun 24, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Richard Rubin wrote: > Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in > which someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to > keep it (I assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for > many years, and though it has since been removed, there is a wide > band of tape residue on the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove > this residue while preserving the arm's original finish. What is > the best and/or easiest way of doing so? Thanks in adance for your > ideas. > > --RR > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] OT-vintage car
I also am into old Model A Fords. I have a 1930 Deluxe Rumble Seat Coupe, a 1931 Deluxe Tudor, and an all original un-restored 1930 Fordor Town Sedan. I drove the Tudor to the Union Show this year putting around 460 miles on it. I am doing a total restoration on the Coupe. This one I have had for almost 18 years and have put on about 40,000 miles on it. I will probably drive the Coupe next year to Union. Someday, my dream is to have a 1931 Model A Ford Tudor Delivery vehicle. Of course it will be advertising Victor phonographs on the side panels and even have some inside in crates. This would be the crescendo of both hobbies. I know for the purists out there that 1931 is to late for having new phonographs in the crate yet but it would be fun anyway. Ken -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of taediso...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:15 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car My daily driver is a 1928 Model A "Fordor" sedan. I tried putting in a CD player a few years ago but the vibration of the car caused it to skip. If I can ever find tiny speakers that have adequate volume and sound quality I'd love to just stick an Ipod Shuffle behind the dash panel and load it up with period music... Best regards, Rene Rondeau ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] tape residue
Most duct tape adhesive does not get along well with petroleum products. The problem is to find one that will not also ruin the original protective finish on the arm, unless there is none. Soaking in plain mineral oil will eventually loosen and soften the old adhesive. On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:08:01 -0400, Richard Rubin wrote: >Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which someone >had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I assume) from >swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and though it has >since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on the arm. >Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving the arm's >original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing so? Thanks >in adance for your ideas. >--RR >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] OT-vintage car
My daily driver is a 1928 Model A "Fordor" sedan. I tried putting in a CD player a few years ago but the vibration of the car caused it to skip. If I can ever find tiny speakers that have adequate volume and sound quality I'd love to just stick an Ipod Shuffle behind the dash panel and load it up with period music... Best regards, Rene Rondeau ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From lhera...@bu.edu Sun Jun 24 19:30:45 2007 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Jun 24 19:32:17 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] tape residue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c7b6d0$da006420$2f01a...@ronlherault> GooGone should work. It is not fast and you may have to rub a bit but if it is a nickel plated arm you won't rub off the nickel in your lifetime. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rubin Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:08 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] tape residue Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and though it has since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving the arm's original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing so? Thanks in adance for your ideas. --RR ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] tape residue
Greetings, everyone. I just picked up a nice old Victrola, in which someone had duct taped the tone arm down at some point to keep it (I assume) from swinging around. They left the tape on for many years, and though it has since been removed, there is a wide band of tape residue on the arm. Naturally, I'm looking to remove this residue while preserving the arm's original finish. What is the best and/or easiest way of doing so? Thanks in adance for your ideas. --RR
[Phono-L] Fwd: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil?
yes, it did. actually, he's quite accessible. email himself and you'll see. not unlike emailing with Tom Edison, in many ways! inventor of phono and electric light, and inventor of the personal computer - both changed the world. On Jun 24, 2007, at 11:12 AM, wrote: > Did that e-mail really come from the "Wizard of Woz"? Didn't know > you ran in those circles, Peter. > Anyway, that singing Tesla Coil was pretty neat. > Ray > > - Original Message - From: "Peter Fraser" > > To: "Gary Parsons" ; "Patrick Gunn" > ; "Eric Carlson" ; "Kelly > Donahue" ; "Antique Phonograph List" > ; "George Gotoahobby" > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:48 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil? > > >> Finally, Tesla gets to Edison on the musical front. I especially >> like the remark about "Free Bird." >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Steve Wozniak >>> Date: June 20, 2007 12:48:37 AM PDT >>> To: Peter Fraser >>> Subject: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil? >>> >>> http://www.hauntedfrog.com/gt/movies/2007/duckon/ >>> SingingTeslaShow.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] "OFFICIAL" QUESTIONNAIRE FOR EARLY EDISON DISC PHONOGRAPHS
Hello everyone and my HEARTFELT APPRECIATION for what has been provided thus far. To make it easier to keep track of a number of common variations in these fascinating and someone obscure early machines, I've put some time into developing a questionnaire that can be filled out and emailed to the group (see below). Note that there are a number of questions pertaining to the grill, which I've added for the benefit of Brian Krapes who is reproducing quality grilles for a number of Edison Disc Phonographs. Submissions can be anonymous. The point is to add to the relatively sparse documentation of the variations found on these first- generation Edison Disc machines, so that we can all gain a better understanding of how specific examples of these models fit the overall picture of the earliest offerings sold to the public. With luck, serial numbers, dataplate dates and printed form dates may point to trends or even dates of manufacture, when compared to the features listed. An example of this is that my A-250 serial number SM-13417 can be dated to November to early December 1914, a narrow window of time of approximately 5 weeks, 93 years ago, because it has the tone modulator, which Frow indicates was begun during November 1914, and we know that the Edison Phonograph Works burned on December 9, 1914. As a result, we can establish that the serial numbers for A-250's in the late winter of 1914 were in the 13,000's. I realize that this isn't the most scientific approach, but with enough data from collectors we can attempt to fill the gaps. Please feel free to add information on A-60, A-80, A-150, A-200, as well as A-250 and higher priced models. The first line is for the model number. I'll post my own answers to the official questionnaire shortly for my two A-250's and my A-200. Best regards to all, Andy Baron To see early vs. late details, Refer to photos posted on: http:// homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233.html Directions from Peter Fraser on accessing these photos: the password is "pook2e" (no quotes). For large-scale versions of the pix, use the slideshow button, or single-click the individual shot in which you're interested. THE QUESTIONNAIRE: 1) Model number: (A-80, A-200, A-250, etc.): 1a) Serial number: (SM-_); 1b) Serial number stamped on bedplate, under platter, if different: (_ A1); 2) Type of start/stop levers: (Early / Late - non adjustable stop position); 3) Bedplate corner detail: (Early / Late); 4) Number of pivoting oil hole covers on bedplate: (1 or 2); 5) Tone modulator Present? (yes / no); 6) Type of key escutcheon: (Without nail holes / with nail holes - surface mount); 7) Depth inside the upper groove that accommodates top of grill: (1/4? / 1/2? or other); 7a) Tongue present at grill top & bottom, or is grill top & bottom width 3/4? smooth?; 7b) Thickness of fretwork portion of grill: (1/4? / 5/16? / 3/8? / other - please provide); 7c) Overall height of outer grill frame: (13 3/4?, 13 7/8?, other - please provide); 8) Louvres on cabinet as per Amberola A-1? (yes / no); 9) Side veneer, number of sections per side: (1 or 2); 10) Form 632 present? (yes / no); 10a) Location of Form 632: (inside of back door / floor of horn compartment / other); 10b) Printer?s date at bottom of Form 632: (none / 11-20-12 / 8-20-14 / other - please provide); 11) Latest patent date on dataplate: ( 8-26-11 / 3-11-13 / other - please provide); 12 Other notes: (Any additional information of interest); 13) Owner (optional):
[Phono-L] OT - A site about the history of the Delta Blues
very interesting site Merle. Gives you all kinds of information about the great Delta Blues singers. I didn't know that Robert Johnson met his untimely demise after just two memorable recording sessions, by being poisoned by some jealous husband. Bruce - Original Message - From: "Merle Sprinzen" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: [Phono-L] OT - A site about the history of the Delta Blues > Thought there might be interest in the blues among some of the music > aficionados here, and therefore thought this site from the National Parks > Service would be interesting to some of you... > > http://www.nps.gov/history/delta/blues/index.htm > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] west point clarification sent to al sefl from my friend
** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - Forwarded Message: Subj: WEST POINT HORN Date: 6/24/2007 1:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: _MR PROPANE_ (mailto:MR PROPANE) To: _ClockworkHome_ (mailto:ClockworkHome) HELLO AL, THE WEST POINT HORN WAS MADE FOR THE EDIPHONE, NOT FOR THE PHONOGRAPH. IT WAS MADE LONG AFTER THE OUTSIDE HORN CYLINDER MACHINES WERE HISTORY. THE FROW BOOK IS WRONG AND HAS BEEN DISSEMINATING THIS FALSEHOOD ALL TO LONG. I HAVE SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS BUT NOW SOME FOOL PAID $4600+ ON EBAY FOR ONE OF THESE JUNKERS. (I THINK IT WAS THE ONE I SOLD TO BILL ENDLEIN 30 YEARS AGO.) FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT ME ANYTIME. HOWARD HAZELCORN mrprop...@aol.com 941-921-1815 ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From a...@popyrus.com Sun Jun 24 16:25:04 2007 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sun Jun 24 16:26:10 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] -vintage car- MY post NOT ot In-Reply-To: <240425.75182...@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <240425.75182...@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33d2c768-4549-4aac-9016-c0735f09f...@popyrus.com> Well, I sometimes bring a Victor 2-55 portable with me in my '29 Chevy coupe, but when I was courting my wife a mere 18 years ago, the phonograph I brought along in the car then was a ca. 1927 Silvertone portable with a remarkably good tone quality. When driving this car, I play various period music on a concealed cassette player (eventually to be updated to CD, I suppose), with 12 volts supplied by a power inverter. Similar setup in the '50 Pontiac convertible. In the '29, it's usually early Duke Ellington or Vaughan DeLeath and some mixed tapes to further the illusion while driving. The '29 is basically unrestored original, dark green with black fenders, brown corduroy interior, with about 36,000 original miles (yes, I drive it but just now and then, and enjoy every mile). In the '50 it's typically Nat King Cole, Ink Spots or Les Paul & Mary Ford. The Pontiac is "Rio red" with beige canvas power top; all restored from an extremely weathered but solid New Mexico foundation. People thought I was crazy to try to restore that car given the sad shape it was in, but just as I'm sure some of us do with phonographs, I could see the beauty inherent in the design and couldn't resist the opportunity to bring it out. Photos of either can be emailed to anyone who might wish to see them. I'd love to find one of those underdash 45 players. I've only had one in my restoration shop over the years. No doubt they're tough on records, but WHAT a novelty! Andy Baron On Jun 24, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Dennis Back wrote: > Ok...since we now are replying ON list, > > 1931 Ford Model A Sport Coupe > 1963 Ford Falcon convertible > > Come to think of it. when I take my Sport Coupe > out, I have a Mikkiphone pocket phonograph hanging > from the dash, with 78's of "Henry's Made a Lady out > of Lizzie" and "Since Henry Ford Apologized to Me" > stored on the package tray for playing. > > I must say, the Mikkiphone sometimes gets MORE > attention than the '31 Sport Coupe. > > And in my Falcon, I have a 45 rpm record changer > that stacks a dozen 45's and plays them UPSIDE DOWN. > > Dennis > > > > > __ > __ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from > someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] OT-vintage car
Come on, now, Peter, it ain't that bad. Lots of guys have more than I have. I just didn't know when to quit. They're the same as when you were here. Chevrolet 41 Convertible Olds 41 Conv. 4 Dr. Cad 38 60S Cad 38 90 (V16) Twn Sed Cad 39 90 (V16) 5Pass. Cpe. Cad 41 60S Fml.sed. Cad 41 62 Conv Cpe Cad 41 62 Conv Sed Cad 41 62 Club Cpe Cad 56 Conv. Cad 70 Conv Back in 1960, I bought the RCA 45 RPM upside down phono from Chrysler. I installed it in the '56 Cadillac Convert. that was my everyday driver at the time, and it worked pretty good. But, the stylus pressure in it is necessarily high, and it was Hell on records. I kept it when I sold the car, and I'll probably install it in the '56 convert that I now have, when I get it on the road. I'll be VERY selective what records I put on it, though. Also, since I'm a radio nut, I have the 5 band radio in the Chevy. > [Original Message] > From: Peter Fraser > To: Antique Phonograph List > Date: 6/24/2007 1:34:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car > > ah, we have all been way too quiet lately anyway. here's mine, if > they count as "vintage": > > 1960 Buick Electra 225 conv. > 1960 Chrysler New Yorker Town and Country wagon > 1969 Alfa Romeo Spider "Duetto" > > but, fair warning: Houston's gonna blow all the rest of us into the > weeds when he tells what's in his garages. > > On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: > > > Hi Doug ~ > > > > Replying briefly to list since some others have old iron as well ; > > after that will correspond off-list if any interest in further > > conversation. > > > > 1929 Chevrolet coupe > > 1950 Pontiac convertible (the one I had out yesterday). > > > > All Best, > > Andy > > > > From: cdh...@earthlink.net > > Subject:Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 > > Date: June 23, 2007 9:44:16 PM MDT > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Reply-To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > > What kind of vintage car you got? > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] OT - A site about the history of the Delta Blues
Thought there might be interest in the blues among some of the music aficionados here, and therefore thought this site from the National Parks Service would be interesting to some of you... http://www.nps.gov/history/delta/blues/index.htm From lo...@oldcrank.com Sun Jun 24 12:12:30 2007 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun Jun 24 12:13:25 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] -vintage car- MY post NOT ot In-Reply-To: <240425.75182...@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <240425.75182...@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, I was behind a '63 Falcon the other day... was that YOU? I didn't know they topped out at 15 mph! ;) Loran P.S., was the duct tape on the dash hold the car together or did you tape the Mikkiphone to it? On Jun 24, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Back wrote: > Ok...since we now are replying ON list, > > 1931 Ford Model A Sport Coupe > 1963 Ford Falcon convertible > > Come to think of it. when I take my Sport Coupe > out, I have a Mikkiphone pocket phonograph hanging > from the dash, with 78's of "Henry's Made a Lady out > of Lizzie" and "Since Henry Ford Apologized to Me" > stored on the package tray for playing. > > I must say, the Mikkiphone sometimes gets MORE > attention than the '31 Sport Coupe. > > And in my Falcon, I have a 45 rpm record changer > that stacks a dozen 45's and plays them UPSIDE DOWN. > > Dennis From agw1...@aol.com Sun Jun 24 12:31:32 2007 From: agw1...@aol.com (agw1...@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 24 12:32:31 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] -vintage car Message-ID: 1927 Essex Super Six Sedan DeLuxe with Aluminum Body by Biddle & Smart Photo link below... http://members.aol.com/agw1888/xjorgensenr.jpg Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen AMERICAN GRAMOPHONE & WIRELESS Co. http://members.aol.com/AGW1886/index.html GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://members.aol.com/AGW1888/geaahome.htm ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Sun Jun 24 11:12:21 2007 From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (wilenz...@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Jun 24 12:56:16 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil? References: <79800ed8-7f9d-492f-8bab-f3bad5d13...@alamedanet.net> Message-ID: <000401c7b68b$355c4fa0$6101a...@wilenzick> Did that e-mail really come from the "Wizard of Woz"? Didn't know you ran in those circles, Peter. Anyway, that singing Tesla Coil was pretty neat. Ray - Original Message - From: "Peter Fraser" To: "Gary Parsons" ; "Patrick Gunn" ; "Eric Carlson" ; "Kelly Donahue" ; "Antique Phonograph List" ; "George Gotoahobby" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil? > Finally, Tesla gets to Edison on the musical front. I especially like > the remark about "Free Bird." > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Steve Wozniak >> Date: June 20, 2007 12:48:37 AM PDT >> To: Peter Fraser >> Subject: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil? >> >> http://www.hauntedfrog.com/gt/movies/2007/duckon/SingingTeslaShow.html >> >> >> > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
[Phono-L] -vintage car- MY post NOT ot
Ok...since we now are replying ON list, 1931 Ford Model A Sport Coupe 1963 Ford Falcon convertible Come to think of it. when I take my Sport Coupe out, I have a Mikkiphone pocket phonograph hanging from the dash, with 78's of "Henry's Made a Lady out of Lizzie" and "Since Henry Ford Apologized to Me" stored on the package tray for playing. I must say, the Mikkiphone sometimes gets MORE attention than the '31 Sport Coupe. And in my Falcon, I have a 45 rpm record changer that stacks a dozen 45's and plays them UPSIDE DOWN. Dennis Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From rich-m...@octoxol.com Sun Jun 24 11:40:06 2007 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Sun Jun 24 11:41:47 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070624184019.878c519a...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Mine is still the daily driver. 1968 Chevy K-20 On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:30:59 -0700, Peter Fraser wrote: >ah, we have all been way too quiet lately anyway. here's mine, if >they count as "vintage": >1960 Buick Electra 225 conv. >1960 Chrysler New Yorker Town and Country wagon >1969 Alfa Romeo Spider "Duetto" >but, fair warning: Houston's gonna blow all the rest of us into the >weeds when he tells what's in his garages. >On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: >> Hi Doug ~ >> >> Replying briefly to list since some others have old iron as well ; >> after that will correspond off-list if any interest in further >> conversation. >> >> 1929 Chevrolet coupe >> 1950 Pontiac convertible (the one I had out yesterday). >> >> All Best, >> Andy >> >> From: cdh...@earthlink.net >> Subject:Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 >> Date: June 23, 2007 9:44:16 PM MDT >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Reply-To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> >> What kind of vintage car you got? >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] OT-vintage car
Hi Doug ~ Replying briefly to list since some others have old iron as well ; after that will correspond off-list if any interest in further conversation. 1929 Chevrolet coupe 1950 Pontiac convertible (the one I had out yesterday). All Best, Andy From: cdh...@earthlink.net Subject:Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 Date: June 23, 2007 9:44:16 PM MDT To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: phono-l@oldcrank.org What kind of vintage car you got? From pjfra...@alamedanet.net Sun Jun 24 10:30:59 2007 From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Sun Jun 24 10:32:10 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] OT-vintage car In-Reply-To: <167433bb-3314-4c3b-bde3-c6deb064b...@popyrus.com> References: <380-22007602434416...@earthlink.net> <167433bb-3314-4c3b-bde3-c6deb064b...@popyrus.com> Message-ID: ah, we have all been way too quiet lately anyway. here's mine, if they count as "vintage": 1960 Buick Electra 225 conv. 1960 Chrysler New Yorker Town and Country wagon 1969 Alfa Romeo Spider "Duetto" but, fair warning: Houston's gonna blow all the rest of us into the weeds when he tells what's in his garages. On Jun 24, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: > Hi Doug ~ > > Replying briefly to list since some others have old iron as well ; > after that will correspond off-list if any interest in further > conversation. > > 1929 Chevrolet coupe > 1950 Pontiac convertible (the one I had out yesterday). > > All Best, > Andy > > From: cdh...@earthlink.net > Subject:Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 > Date: June 23, 2007 9:44:16 PM MDT > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Reply-To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > What kind of vintage car you got? > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fwd: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil?
Finally, Tesla gets to Edison on the musical front. I especially like the remark about "Free Bird." Begin forwarded message: > From: Steve Wozniak > Date: June 20, 2007 12:48:37 AM PDT > To: Peter Fraser > Subject: Have you ever seen a singing Tesla Coil? > > http://www.hauntedfrog.com/gt/movies/2007/duckon/SingingTeslaShow.html > > >
