[Phono-L] Lateral Vs Vertical.
The problem with the Pathe Diffusor as well as with the Pathe Actuelle is the absence of proper baffling around the reproducer cone or "diaphragm". The benefits of the fairly direct connection of the stylus to the diaphragm are unfortunately swamped by the poor bass response of both of these systems. The Actuelle also suffers from the extraordinarily long linkage from stylus to reproducer cone. This also causes a rolloff of the treble frequencies due to the high moving mass of this stylus bar connection. Putting a baffle (to keep the front sound emissions from cancelling with those from the back) around the Diffusor diaphragm or Actuelle cone would greatly enhance the bass performance, but it would make the phono quite large and ungainly. This is part of the theory of horn reproduction - the emission from one side of the diaphragm is GREATLY enhanced with respect to the emission from the other side and there is little opportunity for cancellation. And with typical cone loudspeaker reproduction, a baffle (the cabinet or box) helps keep the back emission separate from the front to reduce cancellations. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Robert Wright" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lateral Vs Vertical. Jim, Greg, Steve, and Thomas :-), Thanks very much for all the insight. I hadn't considered the possibility that vertical was inferior, but vertical companies worked that much harder for better sound; I assumed all other things were probably even. I do find it strange that so many vertical recordings by so many companies had superior sound to so many laterals, including as pointed out below, individual labels who issued records cut both ways. Anyone have any impressions of the Path? Diffusor? I would think that being a large diaphragm with a jewel tip sitting directly on the recorded groove, it would be the most direct playback mechanism of any that have existed. Right? No pivot point to worry about, just the simplest physics around -- true analog, as it were, the only example of it since Edison's original prototype, yes? Has anyone thought to try improving upon that particular playback methodology? Thanks again, all. I'm storing these in a special folder to revisit from time to time. Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: "Thomas Edison" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Lateral Vs Vertical. > Hello everyone. Thinking of the L and V issue, I have a very simple > response from cutting records. I had recorded Laquers with the Fairchild > lathe , in order to record high frequencies, I had to boost them to a > dangerous level almost burning the coil up. When you record you boost > highs and limit the lows, and the opposite when you play them back. I > used the same head to record hill and dale cylinder records on Edison > blanks, and could record the cylinders almost flat, and the lows and highs > sounded very similar to the original recording, and the highs did not have > to be boosted to the dangerous levels of the lateral disc of which the > head was designed to cut, so it certainly seems that it is harder to > record highs on lateral recordings than vertical. Some of you on the list > have some of these electrically recorded cylinders in your collections > with modern music on them, you can state the same I am sure. When it > comes to bass however, vertical records are much harder as li > fts occur, but you can increase the ambient wax temperature and record > deeper grooves, and record more bass The lowest bass note I had recorded > on cylinders was 16 cps, however this was a test tone, with no other > frequencies added, it was very difficult to do but can be done. Lateral > records record bass with relative ease, however if the volume is to high > the grooves run into eachother and must be spaced apart more. (Most modern > recording lathes do this automatically.) If you listen to companies that > recorded lateral and vertical records you can hear much clearer records, > with vertical recordings time and time again. Pathe', Gennette ect. > _ > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
Bob, Thanks - I thought 1284 must have a smooth lid based on its other characteristics. I'll be sure you get a copy of the research results, but of course the best method is to subscribe to The Sound Box and have the benefit of 6 or 7 other articles (certainly more interesting than mine!) in each quarterly issue!? Just go to www.ca-phono.org to subscribe.? You won't be sorry - - it's the best publication in our hobby.? Rene Rondeau does a great job as Editor, and I hear that the next issue will have an article on early Edison/Keller coin-ops by Allen Koenigsberg, and an article on Sonora by Bob Baumbach (plus another half-dozen or so articles).? You won't be sorry. Thanks again, Bob - - Best, George Paul
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
at one point a few years back, we owned a total of 11 1A's. I did not keep good records on each of them, but I do recall that one of them had the "double swoop" lid and the bottom of the door was straight with an additional straight board under the door and it had cloven feet. It was in oak and was a late serial number. By the way, I do have a correct flat dolphin key for the very early 1A's if you know of anyone needing one. I bought it at Union a few years ago for three hundred dollars as I recall. Bob - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > Bob, > > Thanks - I thought 1284 must have a smooth lid based on its other > characteristics. I'll be sure you get a copy of the research results, but > of course the best method is to subscribe to The Sound Box and have the > benefit of 6 or 7 other articles (certainly more interesting than mine!) > in each quarterly issue!? Just go to www.ca-phono.org to subscribe.? You > won't be sorry - - it's the best publication in our hobby.? Rene Rondeau > does a great job as Editor, and I hear that the next issue will have an > article on early Edison/Keller coin-ops by Allen Koenigsberg, and an > article on Sonora by Bob Baumbach (plus another half-dozen or so > articles).? You won't be sorry. > > Thanks again, Bob - - > > Best, > George Paul > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
[Phono-L] Lateral Vs Vertical.
Jim, Greg, Steve, and Thomas :-), Thanks very much for all the insight. I hadn't considered the possibility that vertical was inferior, but vertical companies worked that much harder for better sound; I assumed all other things were probably even. I do find it strange that so many vertical recordings by so many companies had superior sound to so many laterals, including as pointed out below, individual labels who issued records cut both ways. Anyone have any impressions of the Path? Diffusor? I would think that being a large diaphragm with a jewel tip sitting directly on the recorded groove, it would be the most direct playback mechanism of any that have existed. Right? No pivot point to worry about, just the simplest physics around -- true analog, as it were, the only example of it since Edison's original prototype, yes? Has anyone thought to try improving upon that particular playback methodology? Thanks again, all. I'm storing these in a special folder to revisit from time to time. Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: "Thomas Edison" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Lateral Vs Vertical. > Hello everyone. Thinking of the L and V issue, I have a very simple > response from cutting records. I had recorded Laquers with the Fairchild > lathe , in order to record high frequencies, I had to boost them to a > dangerous level almost burning the coil up. When you record you boost > highs and limit the lows, and the opposite when you play them back. I > used the same head to record hill and dale cylinder records on Edison > blanks, and could record the cylinders almost flat, and the lows and highs > sounded very similar to the original recording, and the highs did not have > to be boosted to the dangerous levels of the lateral disc of which the > head was designed to cut, so it certainly seems that it is harder to > record highs on lateral recordings than vertical. Some of you on the list > have some of these electrically recorded cylinders in your collections > with modern music on them, you can state the same I am sure. When it > comes to bass however, vertical records are much harder as li > fts occur, but you can increase the ambient wax temperature and record > deeper grooves, and record more bass The lowest bass note I had recorded > on cylinders was 16 cps, however this was a test tone, with no other > frequencies added, it was very difficult to do but can be done. Lateral > records record bass with relative ease, however if the volume is to high > the grooves run into eachother and must be spaced apart more. (Most modern > recording lathes do this automatically.) If you listen to companies that > recorded lateral and vertical records you can hear much clearer records, > with vertical recordings time and time again. Pathe', Gennette ect. > _ > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
[Phono-L] Lateral Vs Vertical.
Hello everyone. Thinking of the L and V issue, I have a very simple response from cutting records. I had recorded Laquers with the Fairchild lathe , in order to record high frequencies, I had to boost them to a dangerous level almost burning the coil up. When you record you boost highs and limit the lows, and the opposite when you play them back. I used the same head to record hill and dale cylinder records on Edison blanks, and could record the cylinders almost flat, and the lows and highs sounded very similar to the original recording, and the highs did not have to be boosted to the dangerous levels of the lateral disc of which the head was designed to cut, so it certainly seems that it is harder to record highs on lateral recordings than vertical. Some of you on the list have some of these electrically recorded cylinders in your collections with modern music on them, you can state the same I am sure. When it comes to bass however, vertical records are much harder as lifts occur, but you can increase the ambient wax temperature and record deeper grooves, and record more bass The lowest bass note I had recorded on cylinders was 16 cps, however this was a test tone, with no other frequencies added, it was very difficult to do but can be done. Lateral records record bass with relative ease, however if the volume is to high the grooves run into eachother and must be spaced apart more. (Most modern recording lathes do this automatically.) If you listen to companies that recorded lateral and vertical records you can hear much clearer records, with vertical recordings time and time again. Pathe', Gennette ect. _ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
Bob, Wow - thanks for all that information!? Your data brings the number of 1As in my database to 45.? Just to be sure - - your 1284 is a smooth lid?? Thanks again, Bob - - I really appreciate it. Best, George -Original Message- From: Bob Johnson To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 9:36 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B George: I tried to send you a direct email but it bounced back for some reason: here is my 1A info: SN 920 on ID plate and stamped on wood under horizontal right grill. Mech is SN 1948. smooth lid (non stepped), carving on upper front columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, 2-piece horizontal grill around horn neck. SN 1086 on ID plate, mech and stamped in wood. Smooth lid. No carving on upper columns. Door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, single piece horizontal grill. SN 403 on ID plate and mech. Not stamped into wood. No carving on upper front columns. Smooth lid, door has curved bottom, egg crate dividers in drawers, 3 side vents, lyre grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill. SN 1284 on ID plate, mech and stamped on wood. Fancy carving on upper columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, early rococo grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill SN 2861 on ID plate, mech and stamped into wood. Smooth lid, carvings on upper columns, door bottom is curved, 3 side vents, urn grill, oak, 2 piece horizontal grill. I sold SN 482 but it had SN on ID plate and Mech. Smooth lid, no carvings on upper columns, door had curved bottom, 3 side vents, lyre grill, 2 piece horizontal grill, mahogany, metal clips I sold SN 83 - had SN stamped on ID plate and mech. Smooth lid, door with curved bottom, 2 side vents, lyre grill, mahogany, flat dolphin key for door and lid. Don't recall horizontal grill make-up I also currently own a 1B and III if you want that data. Best, Bob Johnson in Oregon -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are expanding the number of questions asked about the Amberolas I, A and B.In addition to the different feet & number of side sound vents you might want to include a more detailed question about the carving on the front upper corner columns since the earlier style with smooth sided lid has either smooth upper columns between the vertical beading or an Art Noveau style leaf design that is completely different from the carving on the later stepped sided lid cabinets. Also the early cabinet has a two piece fretwork with rectangular slots surrounding the neck of the horn whereas later machines have a one piece fretwork with curliqued slots. I'll help in any way I can. Thanks and all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 30-Oct-2008 3:26:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > > Jim, > > Thanks very much for your very helpful listing of all 7 (!) of your Amberola 1As and 1Bs.? I appreciate the trouble you took to compile this for me.? As I dig deeper into this, I may impose upon you for more details re: number of louvers and interior markings - particularly for the examples with cloven hooves.? Thanks again for your tremendous help, Jim! > > Best, > > George > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: jimcip at earthlink.net > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Paul: > Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the > following: > > A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, > no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges > that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine > curved bottom > - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers & two sound vents on > each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn > > A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, > no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges > that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine > curved bottom > - no b
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[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
George-1284 is a smooth lid. I would appreciate seeing a copy of your article when it is done. Thanks, bob - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > Bob, > > Wow - thanks for all that information!? Your data brings the number of 1As > in my database to 45.? Just to be sure - - your 1284 is a smooth lid?? > Thanks again, Bob - - I really appreciate it. > > Best, > George > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bob Johnson > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 9:36 am > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > > > > > > > > > > George: I tried to send you a direct email but it bounced back for some > reason: here is my 1A info: > > SN 920 on ID plate and stamped on wood under horizontal right grill. Mech > is SN 1948. smooth lid (non stepped), carving on upper front columns, > door > has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, 2-piece > horizontal grill around horn neck. > > SN 1086 on ID plate, mech and stamped in wood. Smooth lid. No carving on > upper columns. Door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn > grill, mahogany, single piece horizontal grill. > > SN 403 on ID plate and mech. Not stamped into wood. No carving on upper > front columns. Smooth lid, door has curved bottom, egg crate dividers in > drawers, 3 side vents, lyre grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill. > > SN 1284 on ID plate, mech and stamped on wood. Fancy carving on upper > columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, early rococo > grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill > > SN 2861 on ID plate, mech and stamped into wood. Smooth lid, carvings on > upper columns, door bottom is curved, 3 side vents, urn grill, oak, 2 > piece > horizontal grill. > > I sold SN 482 but it had SN on ID plate and Mech. Smooth lid, no carvings > on upper columns, door had curved bottom, 3 side vents, lyre grill, 2 > piece > horizontal grill, mahogany, metal clips > > I sold SN 83 - had SN stamped on ID plate and mech. Smooth lid, door with > curved bottom, 2 side vents, lyre grill, mahogany, flat dolphin key for > door > and lid. Don't recall horizontal grill make-up > > I also currently own a 1B and III if you want that data. Best, Bob > Johnson > in Oregon > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at > oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > Dear Mr. Paul: > Am glad you are expanding the number of questions asked about the > Amberolas > I, A and B.In addition to the different feet & number > of side sound vents you might want to include a more detailed question > about > the carving on the front upper corner columns since the earlier style with > smooth sided lid has either smooth upper columns between the vertical > beading or an Art Noveau style leaf design that is completely different > from > the carving on the later stepped sided lid > cabinets. Also the early cabinet has a two piece fretwork with > rectangular slots surrounding the neck of the horn whereas later machines > have a one piece fretwork with curliqued slots. > I'll help in any way I can. > Thanks and all good wishes... > > Very truly > yours, > > Jim > Cartwright > > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 30-Oct-2008 3:26:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B >> >> >> Jim, >> >> Thanks very much for your very helpful listing of all 7 (!) of your > Amberola 1As and 1Bs.? I appreciate the trouble you took to compile this > for > me.? As I dig deeper into this, I may impose upon you for more details > re: number of louvers and interior markings - particularly for the > examples > with cloven hooves.? Thanks again for your tremendous help, Jim! >> >> Best, >> >> George >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: jimcip at earthlink.net >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52 pm >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Mr. Paul: >> Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the >> following: >> >> A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth > lid, >> no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges >> that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine >> curved bottom >> - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers & two sound vents on >> each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn >> >> A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Ly
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
Hi all - the thread on Amberola 1As & 1Bs has been interesting (info and the various serials being posted), especially since I recently picked up my first A1. One machine that Jim Cartwright had posted the details on raised an eyebrow - his serial is 2786, mine 2783... siblings on the Edison assembly line! BTW, does anyone have a set of castors for an 1A? I assume they're the same for 1As & 1Bs... Happy collecting, Patrick Vancouver, Canada - Original Message From: "jimcip at earthlink.net" To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:52:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the following: A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine curved bottom - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers & two sound vents on each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine curved bottom - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers, mahogany A, Serial Number on nameplate 887, mechanism Serial Number 495, later Rococo grille, carving on top of front corner posts with cloven hoof feet, smooth lid, flat bottom door with board beneath, metal clips in drawers, mahogany A, Serial Number 1179, mechanism same as nameplate, later Rococo grille, stepped lid, carved tops of front columns with cloven hoof feet, bottom of door flat with board under door, metal clips in drawers, mahogany A, Serial Number 2786, mechanism same as nameplate, later Rococo grille, smooth lid, Art Noveau leaf carving top of front corner posts, door extends downward with serpentine curved bottom - no board under door, metal clips in drawers, mahogany B, Serial Number 4106, mechanism same as nameplate, later Rococo grille, stepped lid, carved tops of front columns with cloven hoof feet, flat door bottom with board below, metal clips in drawers, mahogany B, Serial Number 4189, mechanism same as nameplate, later Rococo grille, stepped lid, carved tops of front column, flat door bottom with board below, metal clips in drawers, golden oak In case you are interested, I have the following also: Amberola III, Model B, Serial Number 293, mechanism Serial Number 8617, elaborate Amberola decal in lid, mahogany Amberola III, Serial Number 1299 (it is in storage but I believe mechanism serial number matches), plain Edison decal in lid, mahogany Your efforts in documeneting early phonographs are much appreciated. Many thanks! All good wishes... Jim Cartwright
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
test - Original Message - From: "Bob Johnson" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > George: I tried to send you a direct email but it bounced back for some > reason: here is my 1A info: > > SN 920 on ID plate and stamped on wood under horizontal right grill. Mech > is SN 1948. smooth lid (non stepped), carving on upper front columns, > door > has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, 2-piece > horizontal grill around horn neck. > > SN 1086 on ID plate, mech and stamped in wood. Smooth lid. No carving on > upper columns. Door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn > grill, mahogany, single piece horizontal grill. > > SN 403 on ID plate and mech. Not stamped into wood. No carving on upper > front columns. Smooth lid, door has curved bottom, egg crate dividers in > drawers, 3 side vents, lyre grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill. > > SN 1284 on ID plate, mech and stamped on wood. Fancy carving on upper > columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, early rococo > grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill > > SN 2861 on ID plate, mech and stamped into wood. Smooth lid, carvings on > upper columns, door bottom is curved, 3 side vents, urn grill, oak, 2 > piece > horizontal grill. > > I sold SN 482 but it had SN on ID plate and Mech. Smooth lid, no carvings > on upper columns, door had curved bottom, 3 side vents, lyre grill, 2 > piece > horizontal grill, mahogany, metal clips > > I sold SN 83 - had SN stamped on ID plate and mech. Smooth lid, door with > curved bottom, 2 side vents, lyre grill, mahogany, flat dolphin key for > door > and lid. Don't recall horizontal grill make-up > > I also currently own a 1B and III if you want that data. Best, Bob > Johnson > in Oregon > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at > oldcrank.org] > On > Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > Dear Mr. Paul: > Am glad you are expanding the number of questions asked about the > Amberolas > I, A and B.In addition to the different feet & number > of side sound vents you might want to include a more detailed question > about > the carving on the front upper corner columns since the earlier style with > smooth sided lid has either smooth upper columns between the vertical > beading or an Art Noveau style leaf design that is completely different > from > the carving on the later stepped sided lid > cabinets. Also the early cabinet has a two piece fretwork with > rectangular slots surrounding the neck of the horn whereas later machines > have a one piece fretwork with curliqued slots. > I'll help in any way I can. > Thanks and all good wishes... > > Very truly > yours, > > Jim > Cartwright > > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 30-Oct-2008 3:26:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B >> >> >> Jim, >> >> Thanks very much for your very helpful listing of all 7 (!) of your > Amberola 1As and 1Bs.? I appreciate the trouble you took to compile this > for > me.? As I dig deeper into this, I may impose upon you for more details > re: number of louvers and interior markings - particularly for the > examples > with cloven hooves.? Thanks again for your tremendous help, Jim! >> >> Best, >> >> George >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: jimcip at earthlink.net >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52 pm >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Mr. Paul: >> Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the >> following: >> >> A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth > lid, >> no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges >> that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine >> curved bottom >> - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers & two sound vents on >> each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn >> >> A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth > lid, >> no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges >> that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine >> curved bottom >> - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers, mahogany >> >> A, Serial Number on nameplate 887, mechanism Serial Number 495, later >> Rococo grille, carving on top of front corner posts with cloven hoof >> feet, smooth lid, flat bottom door with board beneath, metal clips in >> drawers, mahogany >> >> A, Se
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
George: I tried to send you a direct email but it bounced back for some reason: here is my 1A info: SN 920 on ID plate and stamped on wood under horizontal right grill. Mech is SN 1948. smooth lid (non stepped), carving on upper front columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, 2-piece horizontal grill around horn neck. SN 1086 on ID plate, mech and stamped in wood. Smooth lid. No carving on upper columns. Door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, single piece horizontal grill. SN 403 on ID plate and mech. Not stamped into wood. No carving on upper front columns. Smooth lid, door has curved bottom, egg crate dividers in drawers, 3 side vents, lyre grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill. SN 1284 on ID plate, mech and stamped on wood. Fancy carving on upper columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, early rococo grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill SN 2861 on ID plate, mech and stamped into wood. Smooth lid, carvings on upper columns, door bottom is curved, 3 side vents, urn grill, oak, 2 piece horizontal grill. I sold SN 482 but it had SN on ID plate and Mech. Smooth lid, no carvings on upper columns, door had curved bottom, 3 side vents, lyre grill, 2 piece horizontal grill, mahogany, metal clips I sold SN 83 - had SN stamped on ID plate and mech. Smooth lid, door with curved bottom, 2 side vents, lyre grill, mahogany, flat dolphin key for door and lid. Don't recall horizontal grill make-up I also currently own a 1B and III if you want that data. Best, Bob Johnson in Oregon -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are expanding the number of questions asked about the Amberolas I, A and B.In addition to the different feet & number of side sound vents you might want to include a more detailed question about the carving on the front upper corner columns since the earlier style with smooth sided lid has either smooth upper columns between the vertical beading or an Art Noveau style leaf design that is completely different from the carving on the later stepped sided lid cabinets. Also the early cabinet has a two piece fretwork with rectangular slots surrounding the neck of the horn whereas later machines have a one piece fretwork with curliqued slots. I'll help in any way I can. Thanks and all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 30-Oct-2008 3:26:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > > Jim, > > Thanks very much for your very helpful listing of all 7 (!) of your Amberola 1As and 1Bs.? I appreciate the trouble you took to compile this for me.? As I dig deeper into this, I may impose upon you for more details re: number of louvers and interior markings - particularly for the examples with cloven hooves.? Thanks again for your tremendous help, Jim! > > Best, > > George > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: jimcip at earthlink.net > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52 pm > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Paul: > Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the > following: > > A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, > no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges > that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine > curved bottom > - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers & two sound vents on > each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn > > A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, > no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges > that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine > curved bottom > - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers, mahogany > > A, Serial Number on nameplate 887, mechanism Serial Number 495, later > Rococo grille, carving on top of front corner posts with cloven hoof > feet, smooth lid, flat bottom door with board beneath, metal clips in > drawers, mahogany > > A, Serial Number 1179, mechanism same as nameplate, later Rococo > grille, stepped lid, carved t
