Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
The motor is a modern electric type - you can see the rubber idler wheel, and the platter is a modern type, probably matching the motor assembly. The cabinet looks homemade. It appears that the only collectible part on it is the ID tag. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - From: "Barry Kasindorf" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchanan To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Wow, sounds like the ultimate in Crapophone Horror Shows !! Someone should grab and axe and smash it to pieces !! - Original Message - From: "Greg Bogantz" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:38:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 The motor is a modern electric type - you can see the rubber idler wheel, and the platter is a modern type, probably matching the motor assembly. The cabinet looks homemade. It appears that the only collectible part on it is the ID tag. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 > Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for > an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they > attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? > - Original Message - > From: "Barry Kasindorf" > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada > Eastern > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 > > I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they > are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. > If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely > examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter > how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same > feeling for an item as you do in person. > Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some > sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a > misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken > when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry > misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. > -Barry > > > On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: >> I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not >> seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a >> responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I >> missing??? >> >> >> >> >> >> From: William Buchanan >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 >> >> Friends, >> >> It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is >> that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at >> least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. >> >> Can somebody tell me what I purchased? >> >> Ebay item 220523099867 >> >> They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Crapophone base, methinks ... they love those fake 1-90 plates - Original Message - From: To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
Sorry, I came in late on this. Someone obviously attached the ID plate for an Orthophonic table model to another Victor. But which Victor did they attach it to ? and what was that crazy little turntable from ? - Original Message - From: "Barry Kasindorf" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: > I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem > to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a > responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I > missing??? > > > > > > From: William Buchanan > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 > > Friends, > > It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that > it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a > real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. > > Can somebody tell me what I purchased? > > Ebay item 220523099867 > > They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? > > Thank you Bill > > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
The inability to see the item up close should temper what you are willing to pay! People that shell out $15k on a picture in front of them have more money or guts than I do or can afford...i.e the buyer determines the outcome. eBay has tried with many schemes to instill confidence in their sellers integrity. The final price is up to you. If you can gamble your money on a picture with someone you really don't know so be it.It seems to work. Just remember you decided to buy it with what knowledge you have in hand. I never write eBay sellers re: what they are selling, not to protect them or the buyer. Education is really their job. You want to put a Vic 6 with a BIN of $100 fine, you want to buy a crapophone for 1K fine. Like falling off a horse you will quickly learn to hang on. Oldcranky On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Barry Kasindorf wrote: > I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they > are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. > If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely > examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how > many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an > item as you do in person. > Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some > sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a > misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a > novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is > for sale and gets taken. > -Barry > > > > On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: > >> I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not >> seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a >> responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I >> missing??? >> >> >> >> >> >> From: William Buchanan >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 >> >> Friends, >> >> It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is >> that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at >> least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. >> >> Can somebody tell me what I purchased? >> >> Ebay item 220523099867 >> >> They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
I think that many Ebay sellers claim ignorance about what the phono they are selling really is when they know full well it is junk. If this was a real onsite auction or estate sale you could more closely examine a piece, get a better feel for it and make a decision. No matter how many pictures you have on Ebay you really don't have the same feeling for an item as you do in person. Saying buyer beware is simplistic in this situation. You still need some sense of honesty and cooperation from the seller if there was a misunderstanding of what the item is instead of the usual glee taken when a novice collector or even a older collector in a hurry misunderstands what is for sale and gets taken. -Barry On 12/15/2009 11:26 PM, brice paris wrote: I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchanan To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867
brice i so agree with you ebay is cavet emptor and this machine was cheap enough even if just for parts i am sure we have all spent more than that on a meal out happy holidays to all zono -Original Message- From: brice paris To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 I am a little shocked here. Not sure who is being taken, item does not seem to be misrepresented and the pictures are clear. A bidder has a responsibility to follow through on their contract win or lose. What am I missing??? From: William Buchanan To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 6:20:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What did I buy? Ebay item 220523099867 Friends, It's a hard thing to admit that you've been taken, but the good thing is that it was not for much and I have not paid him yet. But if this is at least a real Victrola I will have no problems paying him. Can somebody tell me what I purchased? Ebay item 220523099867 They said it is a Victrola VV I-90 but it's not so what is this? Thank you Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org hi i ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
