[Phono-L] Stylus contact area...
Steve, you are correct. For those on the list who have not followed past posts by Steve or myself: The contact area of the 'ball stylus' on the record groove surface is greater than the 'doorknob' shape of the C stylus. The weight spread over a larger area of the wax by the ball is more gentle. The more hard surface of the black wax records allowed for greater pressure on a smaller area. Think of it as a Physics problem. If 1 gram of weight is spread over 1 square meter that is not much pressure over the area. A single square millimeter would have one millionth of a gram per square millimeter. A gram over one square millimeter is still not much but if you put 1 gram per square millimeter over a full square meter then you would have 1 million grams. If the contact surface of the ball is reduced to half on the 'doorknob' the effective pressure is thus doubled on the groove. If the contact area is one forth then the effective pressure is quadrupled. Edison had invented the elliptical stylus as a way of saving steps in forming the jewel. The contact area of the groove from side to side stays the same but the fore and aft contact area is greatly reduced. The diameter of the sapphire rod available from supply houses for watch makers bearings were ground precisely so all that needed to be done was to create a clearance bevel and polish the end. The ball and hemispherical stylus were actually more work intensive in order to be accurate which is counterintuitive. Strangely the 4 minute stylus of the H has greater contact area than the diamond reproducers since the elliptical long direction of the H sapphire is in line with the groove direction while the diamond stylus is a point of lesser radius. For those reasons a brown wax is not to be played by a C reproducer stylus and a 4 minute Amberol wax is not to be played by a diamond (heavier weight too) reproducer. I hope this makes sense and this has not been my usual 'clear as mud' explaination. Regards to all, Al PS: Apologies in advance if this missive comes in a odd format, I am on a strange computer which is giving me weird results. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Hi All ~ A customer of mine bought an Edison cylinder player and horn from this seller. It was packed extraordinarily poorly with minimal and haphazard filler -- may have been crumpled newspaper. The machine arrived with a broken cabinet top, and the horn had some end-to-end compression damage. He asked me what he should do and I told him to bring everything over so I could see it, with the boxes and packing just as he received them. I wanted to get a sense of the extent of the damage, the relative task of repairs, general reduced value so he could try to get some compensation, or if he should just send everything back and be done with it. I couldn't believe how the horn was packed -- one large box that could only contain about 2/3 of the horn, with a small box taped on top to cover the narrow end. No inner box, just these two taped together like a two-layer cake. Just imagine how an arrangement like this must get toppled and battered during the typical UPS transfer station and stacking situations. In emails that my friend bcc'd to me, the seller claimed that he has shipped horns for years packed like this and has never had one damaged. Yeah, right! I advised that the machine and horn should be sent back, which my friend reluctantly did. The seller made promise after broken promise to compensate, benignly at first and persistently evasive as to how much or when, but never came through. And time was passing. I pointed out to my friend that he was entitled to buyer protection, but was in his last couple of days before the deadline to file a complaint. My friend is a nice guy -- not good with confrontation, was allowing this seller to take advantage of him, and was giving the seller every possible benefit of the doubt, much to my frustration. The seller had managed to string him along, I'm sure while counting down the days until his own liability disappeared. It was maddening to helplessly watch from the sidelines, and so clear what the outcome was shaping up to be. Finally on the last day he could do it, my friend filed a complaint with Ebay. At this point the seller turned vicious and accusatory in private emails to my friend, blaming him for damaging a perfectly good machine and horn, while at the same time claiming to eBay that the horn was packed properly, etc. The eBay mediator my friend talked to apparently told him that the seller even tried to claim that the buyer had kept the perfect phonograph and sent back a damaged one. It was just bizarre. The guy would say anything. To make a long story short(er), eBay paid my friend in full, shipping and all. I must assume that this is far from an isolated story with regard to this seller, and it chagrins me that he's still able to sell. I believe that when eBay pays a buyer protection claim it precludes a negative feedback being left for the buyer (correct me if I'm wrong on this, if anyone knows better). Something wrong with the system? A final note is that I too was wondering what the guy's full name was, and recall looking at the from name and address written on the box flaps. He was using someone else's name, a woman's name if I recall, and using a different shipped-from address. I think he might have signed one of his emails John. Who knows if even this is his name? Andy On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono- L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who wish to dig deeper. Antique Edison (412) 257-8926 301 Murray Ave Bridgeville, PA 15017 antiquedi...@aol.com --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 4:07 PM Hi All ~ A customer of mine bought an Edison cylinder player and horn from this seller. It was packed extraordinarily poorly with minimal and haphazard filler -- may have been crumpled newspaper. The machine arrived with a broken cabinet top, and the horn had some end-to-end compression damage. He asked me what he should do and I told him to bring everything over so I could see it, with the boxes and packing just as he received them. I wanted to get a sense of the extent of the damage, the relative task of repairs, general reduced value so he could try to get some compensation, or if he should just send everything back and be done with it. I couldn't believe how the horn was packed -- one large box that could only contain about 2/3 of the horn, with a small box taped on top to cover the narrow end. No inner box, just these two taped together like a two-layer cake. Just imagine how an arrangement like this must get toppled and battered during the typical UPS transfer station and stacking situations. In emails that my friend bcc'd to me, the seller claimed that he has shipped horns for years packed like this and has never had one damaged. Yeah, right! I advised that the machine and horn should be sent back, which my friend reluctantly did. The seller made promise after broken promise to compensate, benignly at first and persistently evasive as to how much or when, but never came through. And time was passing. I pointed out to my friend that he was entitled to buyer protection, but was in his last couple of days before the deadline to file a complaint. My friend is a nice guy -- not good with confrontation, was allowing this seller to take advantage of him, and was giving the seller every possible benefit of the doubt, much to my frustration. The seller had managed to string him along, I'm sure while counting down the days until his own liability disappeared. It was maddening to helplessly watch from the sidelines, and so clear what the outcome was shaping up to be. Finally on the last day he could do it, my friend filed a complaint with Ebay. At this point the seller turned vicious and accusatory in private emails to my friend, blaming him for damaging a perfectly good machine and horn, while at the same time claiming to eBay that the horn was packed properly, etc. The eBay mediator my friend talked to apparently told him that the seller even tried to claim that the buyer had kept the perfect phonograph and sent back a damaged one. It was just bizarre. The guy would say anything. To make a long story short(er), eBay paid my friend in full, shipping and all. I must assume that this is far from an isolated story with regard to this seller, and it chagrins me that he's still able to sell. I believe that when eBay pays a buyer protection claim it precludes a negative feedback being left for the buyer (correct me if I'm wrong on this, if anyone knows better). Something wrong with the system? A final note is that I too was wondering what the guy's full name was, and recall looking at the from name and address written on the box flaps. He was using someone else's name, a woman's name if I recall, and using a different shipped-from address. I think he might have signed one of his emails John. Who knows if even this is his name? Andy On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
I just love sellers like this. One thing you as a buyer need to do as soon as you figure out that the deal is going south is to request the eBay seller's contact information from eBay. The seller is made aware that you have this information by eBay and this tends to increase the cooperation level several orders of magnitude. And if it does not then at least you know who you are dealing with. On 12/04/2010 04:07 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Hi All ~ A customer of mine bought an Edison cylinder player and horn from this seller. It was packed extraordinarily poorly with minimal and haphazard filler -- may have been crumpled newspaper. The machine arrived with a broken cabinet top, and the horn had some end-to-end compression damage. He asked me what he should do and I told him to bring everything over so I could see it, with the boxes and packing just as he received them. I wanted to get a sense of the extent of the damage, the relative task of repairs, general reduced value so he could try to get some compensation, or if he should just send everything back and be done with it. I couldn't believe how the horn was packed -- one large box that could only contain about 2/3 of the horn, with a small box taped on top to cover the narrow end. No inner box, just these two taped together like a two-layer cake. Just imagine how an arrangement like this must get toppled and battered during the typical UPS transfer station and stacking situations. In emails that my friend bcc'd to me, the seller claimed that he has shipped horns for years packed like this and has never had one damaged. Yeah, right! I advised that the machine and horn should be sent back, which my friend reluctantly did. The seller made promise after broken promise to compensate, benignly at first and persistently evasive as to how much or when, but never came through. And time was passing. I pointed out to my friend that he was entitled to buyer protection, but was in his last couple of days before the deadline to file a complaint. My friend is a nice guy -- not good with confrontation, was allowing this seller to take advantage of him, and was giving the seller every possible benefit of the doubt, much to my frustration. The seller had managed to string him along, I'm sure while counting down the days until his own liability disappeared. It was maddening to helplessly watch from the sidelines, and so clear what the outcome was shaping up to be. Finally on the last day he could do it, my friend filed a complaint with Ebay. At this point the seller turned vicious and accusatory in private emails to my friend, blaming him for damaging a perfectly good machine and horn, while at the same time claiming to eBay that the horn was packed properly, etc. The eBay mediator my friend talked to apparently told him that the seller even tried to claim that the buyer had kept the perfect phonograph and sent back a damaged one. It was just bizarre. The guy would say anything. To make a long story short(er), eBay paid my friend in full, shipping and all. I must assume that this is far from an isolated story with regard to this seller, and it chagrins me that he's still able to sell. I believe that when eBay pays a buyer protection claim it precludes a negative feedback being left for the buyer (correct me if I'm wrong on this, if anyone knows better). Something wrong with the system? A final note is that I too was wondering what the guy's full name was, and recall looking at the from name and address written on the box flaps. He was using someone else's name, a woman's name if I recall, and using a different shipped-from address. I think he might have signed one of his emails John. Who knows if even this is his name? Andy On Dec 4, 2010, at 1:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Al, you're too modest! Your book on Edison cylinder phonographs is what ORIGINALLY started saving us from crooks and ignorant sellers. Jim On Dec 4, 2010, at 3:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Horse Race Puzzle Record
I just bought what I think is a puzzle record. It is a horse race record - Which One Wins? Phono-Finish Horse Race - Mysterious and Exciting by Mason Williams Co., Chicago - 1945. I don't have it yet, and have not heard it. Does anyone know how many different endings there are and if this is actually what I think it is? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
