Re: [Phono-L] Partly OT, Victor Theremin site
This is so cool! I own a Moog Theremin 91A (which is very close in appearance to an RCA model). I only looked at your website for a few seconds before I found that Theremins were made for RCA by both GE and Westinghouse. I don't know why that never occurred to me before, since I knew RCA was based on those two companies. I worked for GE for 37 years, but of course, Theremins were never mentioned. Jim Nichol On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: > Hi all ~ > > My Victor Theremin* colleague and I have just co-created a new website: > rcatheremin.com > > For those who may be interested, here you will find practical but heretofore > unavailable information about the original 1929 theremins, the first > manufactured musical instrument to employ no acoustic or mechanical means of > reproducing of sound. In Victor advertising, it was stated: "Not a > phonograph---Not a radio---Not like anything you have ever heard or seen!" > > There are Victor records of this unique first electronic musical instrument > that date from 1930 (Victor 25130 is one that some of you may have seen), and > the instrument itself (which is played without touching it) was developed > during the time that RCA was busy acquiring the Victor Talking Machine > Company. > > If any of you own or know of someone who has one of these original Victor > Theremins, please let me know about it, as we are actively researching the > survivors. Both Mike and I own RCA theremins, and are not in the market to > buy, but rather are more interested in documenting the survivors and sharing > what we've learned about these rare and unusual instruments. > > I hope you enjoy the site, > Andrew Baron > Santa Fe > > (*As originally advertised in 1929, also referred to in brochures as the RCA > Theremin) > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Believe it or not.. When I was living in Guam, the local Ace Hardware carried piano string wire that I could use for restringing pianos! And our local Ace in Denver used to carry all kinds of wierd stuff. Now that they have been acquired by the corporate office, the selection is no better than the other hardware stores. So much for corporate ownership of local small businesses! Art Heller -Original Message- From: john robles To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-) ohn From: "clockworkh...@aol.com" o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the elt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is hat he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
I KNOW it's a scam. But doesn't the scammer seller still owe eBay the commission? Or is eBay just too dumb to figure it out? --Art Heller -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? t's a scam... > From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
You can only get them at the ACE hardware in Orange, NJ... :) > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: clockworkh...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:49:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? > > > The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about > the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most > enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has > replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of > this machine. > > How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? > > Al > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Partly OT, Victor Theremin site
Hi Andrew, You may or may not know that Dr. Robert Moog, the inventor of the Moog synthesizer, started his career as a consequence of his fascination with the original RCA theremin. He started restoring them, then he decided to make new ones. One thing led to another, and the Moog Music company was formed. Today, Moog Music is alive, well, and thriving in Asheville, NC (my stomping grounds). They are still restoring original theremins as well as making and selling new ones, in addition to all their newer synthesizer equipment. A lot of musicians descend on Asheville to visit Moog Music and play with their toys. Asheville started a music gathering called "Moogfest" two years ago which is a celebration of all things Moog. It's been a huge success, and more are in the planning stages. You might want to contact Moog or one of their websites to spread the news of your website. Lots of musicians and others interested in the theremin should see your postings there. Here's the scoop on Moogfest. Another one will probably be scheduled this year around October: http://www.moogfest.com/ Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Andrew Baron" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Partly OT, Victor Theremin site Hi all ~ My Victor Theremin* colleague and I have just co-created a new website: rcatheremin.com For those who may be interested, here you will find practical but heretofore unavailable information about the original 1929 theremins, the first manufactured musical instrument to employ no acoustic or mechanical means of reproducing of sound. In Victor advertising, it was stated: "Not a phonograph---Not a radio---Not like anything you have ever heard or seen!" There are Victor records of this unique first electronic musical instrument that date from 1930 (Victor 25130 is one that some of you may have seen), and the instrument itself (which is played without touching it) was developed during the time that RCA was busy acquiring the Victor Talking Machine Company. If any of you own or know of someone who has one of these original Victor Theremins, please let me know about it, as we are actively researching the survivors. Both Mike and I own RCA theremins, and are not in the market to buy, but rather are more interested in documenting the survivors and sharing what we've learned about these rare and unusual instruments. I hope you enjoy the site, Andrew Baron Santa Fe (*As originally advertised in 1929, also referred to in brochures as the RCA Theremin) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Look through his feedback, he is just finding stuff and throwing it up for sale, has no idea what he is doing and if it is not in one of those antique price guides he is lost. On 03/04/2012 07:49 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Question for John Robles
Yes! Wow it's a small world. I am gonna work on others as well. John From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Question for John Robles Hi John,Was that you that composed a selection for the iOrgel app for iPhone/iPad?Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It is a contract and they must pay. Check the high bidder's feedback and see if a negative was left by the seller over the next few days. If not, chances are it was shilling. From: "aph4...@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-) John From: "clockworkh...@aol.com" To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
On 3/4/2012 8:24 PM, john robles wrote: Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? Shilling requires two bidders, the real one and the shill. Both would show in the bid list. -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Partly OT, Victor Theremin site
Hi all ~ My Victor Theremin* colleague and I have just co-created a new website: rcatheremin.com For those who may be interested, here you will find practical but heretofore unavailable information about the original 1929 theremins, the first manufactured musical instrument to employ no acoustic or mechanical means of reproducing of sound. In Victor advertising, it was stated: "Not a phonograph---Not a radio---Not like anything you have ever heard or seen!" There are Victor records of this unique first electronic musical instrument that date from 1930 (Victor 25130 is one that some of you may have seen), and the instrument itself (which is played without touching it) was developed during the time that RCA was busy acquiring the Victor Talking Machine Company. If any of you own or know of someone who has one of these original Victor Theremins, please let me know about it, as we are actively researching the survivors. Both Mike and I own RCA theremins, and are not in the market to buy, but rather are more interested in documenting the survivors and sharing what we've learned about these rare and unusual instruments. I hope you enjoy the site, Andrew Baron Santa Fe (*As originally advertised in 1929, also referred to in brochures as the RCA Theremin) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
It's a scam... > From: aph4...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid > was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. > Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. > What am I missing here? > ---Art Heller > > > In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > > The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! > http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE > E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae > 1cf8 > > > Sold $1060 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 > 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D > ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > > > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each > time, > > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
I think you are right, John. But fortunately for the original bidder, the second guy exceeded his proxy bid. > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:24:17 -0800 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? > > > > > From: Steve Andersen > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > > The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! > http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae1cf8 > > > Sold $1060 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item256d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > > > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Allen,The original bidder placed an automatic proxy bid for $1,000. The second guy, who apparently is not knowledgeable at all, kept bidding against the proxy bid until his bid exceeded $1,000. So, it appeared that he was bidding against himself, but in actuality he was bidding against an already placed automatic bid. Luckily for the first bidder, the second guy outbid his ridiculous proxy bid.Curt > From: allena...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:33:51 -0500 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? > > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Question for John Robles
Hi John,Was that you that composed a selection for the iOrgel app for iPhone/iPad?Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
So the "high bidder" just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2 56d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? From: Steve Andersen To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item256d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
You often see auctions with only one bidder, who is bidding against himself. In reality, he is bidding against the reserve price, since he doesn't know its amount. Jim On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Or one person and a reserve which he's trying to find. -- Bill On 3/4/2012 5:30 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)... allen --- In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item256d261325&item=160745001765&nma=true&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&si=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: > but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > john9...@pacbell.net writes: > > consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, > and taking the price from $599 to $1000. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)... allen --- In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Greetings Bill: I believe you have a B motor in an A cabinet. It is essentially the same motor so it can be swapped between the two models. The difference was the threaded crank on the B and the B had a short knurled screw for the speed knob. The threaded hole for the speed control is identical to both. The rubber grommets of the A and springs of the B both fit the mounting holes on the motor frame. When ICS B Standards were made they simply put a hole in the bedplate for the longer speed control shaft of the Standard A. The Standard B made for ICS was the only ones that should have the hole and above the bedplate speed knob. Edison went to the Standard B Model around serial 245000. If your machine were just before that I might suggest that it was factory installed but at 178813 that is way too early for a threaded crank. It very much sounds like a kitchen table conglomerate which Edison machines are prone to. I always ask for the motor number when Triumphs are on eBay. Often I find a nice Model A Triumph with a much later motor *and* with a screw on crank, not the square drive. For many years it was easier for slap dash repairmen to simply swap out motors rather than repair the broken spring, another example of interchangeable parts on Edison machines being a positive and a negative together. In most every case the machine is advertised as 'unmolested' or some other term to indicate it is all original. With Edison you have to sometimes give a closer look to be sure. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Two possible ways to get a long series from the same bidder. In one scenario, there is a higher bidder, and the new bidder keeps entering higher and higher bids to try to outbid that higher bidder. In the second scenario, a bidder enters one bid and then enters several others so as to increase his original bid. You won't see any of those later bids until a higher bidder enters the auction, and then all the other bids the first bidder entered will appear that are up to the higher bidder, and one bid (if one was entered) that exceeds the higher bidder. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of allena...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:34 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
S178813 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:55 AM, john robles wrote: > Bill, what's the serial number? > > > > > From: Bill Taney > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model > > Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed > control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a > threaded crank. > Bill > > > On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > >> >> >> When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >> printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >> expanded Companion book. >> >> The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >> against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >> vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >> top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >> the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. >> >> The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >> *suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >> cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >> cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >> style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >> extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >> transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >> summer of '06. >> >> The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >> bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >> this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. >> >> In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >> George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >> with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >> proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >> from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >> responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >> common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >> nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >> story. >> >> Regards to all, >> >> Al >> >> PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >> table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >> many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >> eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >> Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >> and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >> sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >> missive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Bill, what's the serial number? From: Bill Taney To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > > >When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >expanded Companion book. > >The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. > >The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >*suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >summer of '06. > >The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. > >In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >story. > >Regards to all, > >Al > >PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >missive. > > > > > > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model
Sounds like a marriage of an A case and B motor except for the speed control. Maybe the winding shaft was replaced?? I'd like to see pics! John From: Bill Taney To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard A versus B Model Mine is in the short (green) oak case, the motor has the external speed control and is held up against the bed plate/no springs and it has a threaded crank. Bill On 3/3/12 11:24 PM, "clockworkh...@aol.com" wrote: > > >When George and I did the 1976 Edison cylinder phonograph book the >printer missed some text. I don't think it appeared when George did the >expanded Companion book. > >The Model A Standard used a pin crank engagement. The motor was held *up >against* the bedplate with screws through rubber grommets to lessen >vibration transmission. The speed control was up through the bedplate on >top. The cabinet is shorter than the later B. All Model A Standards in >the 'new style cabinet of 1901' have a banner transfer. > >The Model B Standard used a threaded engagement. The motor was >*suspended on springs* from the bedplate. Since the motor was lower, the >cabinet had to be increased in height for motor clearance from the >cabinet floor. This brought about the 'tall Standard' Model B cabinet >style. The speed control was made into a simple screw that did not >extend about the bedplate. The Model B Standard only had the banner >transfer for short time as the single word Edison replaced it in the >summer of '06. > >The ICS Standard machines had the speed control knob on top of the >bedplate all the way through the rest of the Standard line. They did >this to allow for adjustment to the 90 RPM record speed. > >In 1975 I received what I thought was the galley copy of the book from >George and immediately began editing. I called George a few days later >with my erratum and he told me that was the final copy not a galley >proof. As a result, there is one photograph of an Edison machine missing >from that book and the idiot typesetter and page format person >responsible for the Standard chapter never caught the mistake. The most >common Edison cylinder machine made, the Standard Model B, appears >nowhere in the book as a picture. And, now you know the rest of the >story. > >Regards to all, > >Al > >PS: Variations from the above machine descriptions are likely kitchen >table conglomerates, one of the confusing factors for Edison having so >many interchangeable parts floating around through the last 110 years. >eBay this last month had a Model B Home in a later D style cabinet, a >Standard B in an A cabinet with the motor screwed down so it would fit, >and a few other peculiar mutts, all listed as untouched originals. How >sad we cannot contact the buyers any longer to send them a warning >missive. > > > > > > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
