Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth...

2013-10-16 Thread Bill Taney
Penny wise pound foolish is what comes to mind. I have seen other auctions too 
from the same guy where he has listed in separate auctions parts from the same 
machine to raise his take.

There is a lot of cost involved in making an incomplete and broken machine 
complete, but sometimes it is the journey or challenge that makes it fun. 
However, often by the time your finished it is more expensive and less original 
than if you had bought a better example in the first place.  
Bill

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> On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:47 PM, "Ron L'Herault"  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Al.
> 
> I have a spare C but those other problems are enough to keep me away.
> 
> Ron
> 
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> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth...
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings Ron:
> 
> That particular seller takes machines apart and sells the parts separately.
> I am personally against parting out a working machine so I would not
> purchase it.  That being said, the motor has a few issues.  In addition to
> those stated in the listing, the belt idler tension pulley, arm, and spring
> seem to be missing.  Someone has worked on the motor which indicates there
> may be more hidden problems created by a kitchen table repairman.  Do you
> really want to buy this then have to go and separately buy a good Model C
> Reproducer, $100, replace the cabinet, $175, find a Gem cone horn, $25
> reproduction.  The Model C Gem would actually be correct with the 6 panel
> straight morning glory horn but an original can command $200 with a crane.
> A complete and working machine from a fellow collector would seem to be the
> best way to get a Gem.  The ones that go for crazy prices are those with the
> Gem Special Automatic Speaker in a branded top cabinet with the all brass
> witches hat horn.  Thi  s makes sense due to only 20,000 being made and few
> surviving intact.  A nice 2 minute Gem that is complete often sells on eBay
> for $400 to $500 depending on condition.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Al
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Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth...

2013-10-16 Thread Ron L'Herault
Thanks, Al.

I have a spare C but those other problems are enough to keep me away.

Ron

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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth...



Greetings Ron:

That particular seller takes machines apart and sells the parts separately.
I am personally against parting out a working machine so I would not
purchase it.  That being said, the motor has a few issues.  In addition to
those stated in the listing, the belt idler tension pulley, arm, and spring
seem to be missing.  Someone has worked on the motor which indicates there
may be more hidden problems created by a kitchen table repairman.  Do you
really want to buy this then have to go and separately buy a good Model C
Reproducer, $100, replace the cabinet, $175, find a Gem cone horn, $25
reproduction.  The Model C Gem would actually be correct with the 6 panel
straight morning glory horn but an original can command $200 with a crane.
A complete and working machine from a fellow collector would seem to be the
best way to get a Gem.  The ones that go for crazy prices are those with the
Gem Special Automatic Speaker in a branded top cabinet with the all brass
witches hat horn.  Thi  s makes sense due to only 20,000 being made and few
surviving intact.  A nice 2 minute Gem that is complete often sells on eBay
for $400 to $500 depending on condition.

Best wishes,
Al

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Re: [Phono-L] Gem on Ebay My 2 Cents worth...

2013-10-16 Thread clockworkhome


Greetings Ron:

That particular seller takes machines apart and sells the parts separately.  I 
am personally against parting out a working machine so I would not purchase it. 
 That being said, the motor has a few issues.  In addition to those stated in 
the listing, the belt idler tension pulley, arm, and spring seem to be missing. 
 Someone has worked on the motor which indicates there may be more hidden 
problems created by a kitchen table repairman.  Do you really want to buy this 
then have to go and separately buy a good Model C Reproducer, $100, replace the 
cabinet, $175, find a Gem cone horn, $25 reproduction.  The Model C Gem would 
actually be correct with the 6 panel straight morning glory horn but an 
original can command $200 with a crane.  A complete and working machine from a 
fellow collector would seem to be the best way to get a Gem.  The ones that go 
for crazy prices are those with the Gem Special Automatic Speaker in a branded 
top cabinet with the all brass witches hat horn.  Thi
 s makes sense due to only 20,000 being made and few surviving intact.  A nice 
2 minute Gem that is complete often sells on eBay for $400 to $500 depending on 
condition.

Best wishes,
Al

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[Phono-L] Gem on Ebay

2013-10-16 Thread Ron L'Herault
I'd dearly love to have a working Gem but they always seem to go for stupid
money.  Here's one, item 390679645174
that is lacking the case and reproducer (regular C?) am I missing any other
problems here?


Ron L

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