[Phono-L] Dr. Philip Peterson
George - Thanks for this very interesting bit of history. I always enjoy hearing about the early guys in our hobby. Bob Johnson - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dr. Philip Peterson Jay, The fact that you invoked the word infamous suggests that you know something of the man... It's a tragic story (and I'm unaware of many details that others can supply), but the story is basically this: Dr. Philip Peterson was a professor at Stanford University, and during the late 1960s and 1970s contributed some first-class research to the field of antique phonographs and records. Most of his contributions - at least those of which I'm aware - were published in the Antique Phonograph Collectors Society Newsletter/Journal. This organization and its publication ceased existence around 1977. I started visiting the Edison National Historic Site in West Orange, New Jersey in 1978. My interest was research, and the staff there at the time were most accommodating. I made advance arrangements, and upon arrival, was shown to the underground vaults. A pile of notebooks had been usually been gathered for me, and I had basically free rein of the place. I remember a moment during my first visit when it occurred to me that the handwriting I was reading in the notebooks looked somewhat familiar. As a staffer passed by, I asked who had made the notations I was reading. The answer was Oh - that's the 'Old Man.' I was taken aback. Who was I to be leafing through these historic documents without protective gloves, and without supervision? I spent many hours in the vaults wading through literally mountains of information, rare white wax cylinders,20and experimental records (such as a glass based cylinder). Any documents I wanted copied were cheerfully done for I believe 10 cents each. Each time I left the Site, I shook hands with the staffers and thanked them for their help. And it occurred to me every time I walked out unsearched that security was pretty lax. Unfortunately, it also occurred to Dr. Philip Peterson - - and not-so-coincidentally Dr. Peterson began holding mail auctions of outstanding Edison ephemera - - most of it consisting of rare and early documents... Around 1985, the Site sent out a mass appeal to collectors. They were missing documents, many of which matched the descriptions offered by Dr. Peterson in his mail auctions. Anyone who knew the whereabouts of these artifacts was encouraged to contact the Site or the FBI. Dr. Peterson was convicted of stealing a multitude of artifacts from the Site, and ultimately served some time in prison. He passed away not long after he was released, but I don't know when that occurred. Meanwhile, some VERY honest collectors returned some of the stolen property to the Site - - and swallowed the substantial loss they incurred. I'm afraid that's the only bright spot in the whole sad story. Many of the documents were never recovered, and Dr. Peterson was found to have destroyed a number of documents by cutting Edison's signature from them and selling only the signature - - an untraceable crime. So, a man who could have been remembered today as the excellent researcher he was, and a contributor to our hobby, instead stole from the Site, cheated collectors by selling them stolen property, and permanently erased a portion of Edison history through the destruction of documents in an unsuccessful effort to cover his tracks. Tragedy upon tragedy. Needless to say, security at the Site has dramatically improved. George Paul -Original Message- From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 4:53 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Dr. Philip Peterson I don?t mean to stir up any trouble, but I?m curious as to who this infamous Dr. Philip Peterson is? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 4/16/2009 8:12 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
George: I tried to send you a direct email but it bounced back for some reason: here is my 1A info: SN 920 on ID plate and stamped on wood under horizontal right grill. Mech is SN 1948. smooth lid (non stepped), carving on upper front columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, 2-piece horizontal grill around horn neck. SN 1086 on ID plate, mech and stamped in wood. Smooth lid. No carving on upper columns. Door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, single piece horizontal grill. SN 403 on ID plate and mech. Not stamped into wood. No carving on upper front columns. Smooth lid, door has curved bottom, egg crate dividers in drawers, 3 side vents, lyre grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill. SN 1284 on ID plate, mech and stamped on wood. Fancy carving on upper columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, early rococo grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill SN 2861 on ID plate, mech and stamped into wood. Smooth lid, carvings on upper columns, door bottom is curved, 3 side vents, urn grill, oak, 2 piece horizontal grill. I sold SN 482 but it had SN on ID plate and Mech. Smooth lid, no carvings on upper columns, door had curved bottom, 3 side vents, lyre grill, 2 piece horizontal grill, mahogany, metal clips I sold SN 83 - had SN stamped on ID plate and mech. Smooth lid, door with curved bottom, 2 side vents, lyre grill, mahogany, flat dolphin key for door and lid. Don't recall horizontal grill make-up I also currently own a 1B and III if you want that data. Best, Bob Johnson in Oregon -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are expanding the number of questions asked about the Amberolas I, A and B.In addition to the different feet number of side sound vents you might want to include a more detailed question about the carving on the front upper corner columns since the earlier style with smooth sided lid has either smooth upper columns between the vertical beading or an Art Noveau style leaf design that is completely different from the carving on the later stepped sided lid cabinets. Also the early cabinet has a two piece fretwork with rectangular slots surrounding the neck of the horn whereas later machines have a one piece fretwork with curliqued slots. I'll help in any way I can. Thanks and all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: gpaul2000 at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 30-Oct-2008 3:26:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Jim, Thanks very much for your very helpful listing of all 7 (!) of your Amberola 1As and 1Bs.? I appreciate the trouble you took to compile this for me.? As I dig deeper into this, I may impose upon you for more details re: number of louvers and interior markings - particularly for the examples with cloven hooves.? Thanks again for your tremendous help, Jim! Best, George -Original Message- From: jimcip at earthlink.net jimcip at earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the following: A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine curved bottom - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers two sound vents on each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine curved bottom - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers, mahogany A, Serial Number on nameplate 887, mechanism Serial Number 495, later Rococo grille, carving on top of front corner posts with cloven hoof feet, smooth lid, flat bottom door with board beneath, metal clips in drawers, mahogany A, Serial Number 1179, mechanism same as nameplate, later Rococo
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
George-1284 is a smooth lid. I would appreciate seeing a copy of your article when it is done. Thanks, bob - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Bob, Wow - thanks for all that information!? Your data brings the number of 1As in my database to 45.? Just to be sure - - your 1284 is a smooth lid?? Thanks again, Bob - - I really appreciate it. Best, George -Original Message- From: Bob Johnson bjohnson at mrvictor.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 9:36 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B George: I tried to send you a direct email but it bounced back for some reason: here is my 1A info: SN 920 on ID plate and stamped on wood under horizontal right grill. Mech is SN 1948. smooth lid (non stepped), carving on upper front columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, 2-piece horizontal grill around horn neck. SN 1086 on ID plate, mech and stamped in wood. Smooth lid. No carving on upper columns. Door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, urn grill, mahogany, single piece horizontal grill. SN 403 on ID plate and mech. Not stamped into wood. No carving on upper front columns. Smooth lid, door has curved bottom, egg crate dividers in drawers, 3 side vents, lyre grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill. SN 1284 on ID plate, mech and stamped on wood. Fancy carving on upper columns, door has curved bottom, metal clips, 3 side vents, early rococo grill, oak, single piece horizontal grill SN 2861 on ID plate, mech and stamped into wood. Smooth lid, carvings on upper columns, door bottom is curved, 3 side vents, urn grill, oak, 2 piece horizontal grill. I sold SN 482 but it had SN on ID plate and Mech. Smooth lid, no carvings on upper columns, door had curved bottom, 3 side vents, lyre grill, 2 piece horizontal grill, mahogany, metal clips I sold SN 83 - had SN stamped on ID plate and mech. Smooth lid, door with curved bottom, 2 side vents, lyre grill, mahogany, flat dolphin key for door and lid. Don't recall horizontal grill make-up I also currently own a 1B and III if you want that data. Best, Bob Johnson in Oregon -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are expanding the number of questions asked about the Amberolas I, A and B.In addition to the different feet number of side sound vents you might want to include a more detailed question about the carving on the front upper corner columns since the earlier style with smooth sided lid has either smooth upper columns between the vertical beading or an Art Noveau style leaf design that is completely different from the carving on the later stepped sided lid cabinets. Also the early cabinet has a two piece fretwork with rectangular slots surrounding the neck of the horn whereas later machines have a one piece fretwork with curliqued slots. I'll help in any way I can. Thanks and all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: gpaul2000 at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 30-Oct-2008 3:26:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Jim, Thanks very much for your very helpful listing of all 7 (!) of your Amberola 1As and 1Bs.? I appreciate the trouble you took to compile this for me.? As I dig deeper into this, I may impose upon you for more details re: number of louvers and interior markings - particularly for the examples with cloven hooves.? Thanks again for your tremendous help, Jim! Best, George -Original Message- From: jimcip at earthlink.net jimcip at earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Dear Mr. Paul: Am glad you are researching the early Edison Amberolas.I have the following: A, Serial Number 289, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, no carving on front corner posts other than vertical trim at edges that runs all the way down, door extends downward with serpentine curved bottom - no board under door, wooden dividers in drawers two sound vents on each side, mahogany, single piece wooden fretwork around neck of horn A, Serial Number 859, mechanism same as nameplate, Lyre grille, smooth lid, no carving
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
at one point a few years back, we owned a total of 11 1A's. I did not keep good records on each of them, but I do recall that one of them had the double swoop lid and the bottom of the door was straight with an additional straight board under the door and it had cloven feet. It was in oak and was a late serial number. By the way, I do have a correct flat dolphin key for the very early 1A's if you know of anyone needing one. I bought it at Union a few years ago for three hundred dollars as I recall. Bob - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B Bob, Thanks - I thought 1284 must have a smooth lid based on its other characteristics. I'll be sure you get a copy of the research results, but of course the best method is to subscribe to The Sound Box and have the benefit of 6 or 7 other articles (certainly more interesting than mine!) in each quarterly issue!? Just go to www.ca-phono.org to subscribe.? You won't be sorry - - it's the best publication in our hobby.? Rene Rondeau does a great job as Editor, and I hear that the next issue will have an article on early Edison/Keller coin-ops by Allen Koenigsberg, and an article on Sonora by Bob Baumbach (plus another half-dozen or so articles).? You won't be sorry. Thanks again, Bob - - Best, George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald
I have a perfect reproduction aluminum Columbia horn 14 if interested. Contact me off list. bjohnson at mrvictor.com -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:58 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald Hi Bruce, That's really a nice machine. Was the motor that clean when you bought it? Now you will have to find some 5 cylinders. You might try Wyatt's on the horn. Their catalogue shows a 14 aluminum horn but no price. It says inquire. Bob - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald Thanks Bob. I just found a source for a very nice repro Mandrel. It's John Paul Agnard in Canada. He sells them for $75.00 American $. Now all I need is 14 inch aluminum horn and I am in business. As luck would have it, and it was completely by luck, I was looking at a common VV-100 for some folks who said they wanted one, and the owner, who id clearing out a lot of items she accumulated from years of obsessive yard sale madness, said she had a Graphophone for sale and would I like to see it.She bought about 10 years ago, played it a couple times, put it up on a shelf and never played it again. I expected one of the more common ones, and again as luck would have it It turned out to be an AB (MacDonald). and that was all here in my little home Town down here in South eastern Massachusetts. - Original Message - http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] transportation available
Hello Ken: I informed the shipper of the Hexaphone of your time away from home so I don't think it will be shipped then. I will find out a more approximate time soon. I will let you finish the music box and ship the whole thing to me when it is done. Thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken Danckaert Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] transportation available Hi Bob, Any idea when the Hexaphone is being shipped. We are leaving for Michigan next Monday for a week. Also, when you are over this way are you going to pick up your music box? I have all the measurements for making the Phono parts. The tonearm is unique to that style machine. I have found out that a pattern would cost $500 for the tonearm. In lieu of that I have a Davis tonearm that is close in style that I am modifying to use as a pattern. It will destroy my tonearm but should be quite acceptable for that machine. It will not be done by the time you are in the area but I will not need the machine to make it. Ken Bob Johnson wrote: Sometime around the middle of April I will be transporting some phonographs from Oregon to PA. If anyone has a need to get items from the west coast to the east coast or vice versa, get ahold of me. Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] sorry
Hey folks.sorry about Ken and my private posts on phono-L. Bob
[Phono-L] transportation available
Sometime around the middle of April I will be transporting some phonographs from Oregon to PA. If anyone has a need to get items from the west coast to the east coast or vice versa, get ahold of me. Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com
[Phono-L] items for sale
OK folks.after 25+ years of collecting, I am starting to sell a few of our phonographs..Here are some that I will post on ebay if no one wants them on this list: Columbia Grand in Circassian Walnut, $7,500, Columbia Symphony Grand, Restored (looks like upright piano) $8,500, Columbia School model, restored with wheels, $2,000, Edison Idelia, bedplate restored, S.N. 65841, mahogany cygnet horn, excellent reproduction lid, shaver, etc. $25,000, Victrola model XX with gold gilding, 18 of these are known to exist, S.N. 8425, $12,000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 538, $6000, Flat Top VTLA S.N. 902, $5,500. Others in our collection might be available. Go to our website and check out the 250+ phonographs. www.mrvictor.com http://www.mrvictor.com/ Email me if you have an interest. bjohn...@mrvictor.com Thanks. Bob
[Phono-L] spare I.D. plates
Funny you would say that Ron...I have a few spare 1A mechanisms and lids, etc...thought about building a new repro cabinet and creating a New 1A.. but that would be too much work for so little results... ---Original Message--- From: Antique phonograph discussion list for pre-1930 phonographs Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:36:06 AM To: Antique phonograph discussion list for pre-1930 phonographs Subject: RE: [Phono-L] spare I.D. plates You are half way to creating your own Crapohones! Ron L 8-) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com [mailto:Phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.com]On Behalf Of bob johnson Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:11 PM To: phono-l Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] spare I.D. plates I have quite a few spare I.D. plates, some of which are pretty hard to find...if anyone needs them, contact me off list...some of the more hard to find ones include VTLA serial number 1197, VV XVI serial number 14208B, VV XVI serial number41282C, Amberola 1A serial number 83, various other Victrolas, Sonora, Edison Diamond Disc...bjohnson at internetcds.com ___ Phono-l mailing list Phono-l at oldcrank.com http://oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list Phono-l at oldcrank.com http://oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com .
[Phono-L] The Puritan Bomb'e
Hi Keith...the Puritan Bombe's came in two different styles...one with just the sides curved, and the other with all four sides curved. The one with four sides curved is the more desirable one...I have been looking for the four sided one for years and just purchased one in Missouri...it is in nice condition but the gold plating on the tone arm is worn...otherwise it is in great shapeI paid $1650 for it...a little high I think but they are quite scarce...I also have the Puritan with bombe on just two sides...the reproducer looks similar to the Columbia #6 but is plain...and I did not measure the two, but the one on the Puritan looks to be a bit larger...I paid $1,100 for the two-sided Puritan on ebay a few years ago...I believe the reproducer on the Puritans are Generic as I have a couple of other off brand phonographs that have the same reproducer..Bob ---Original Message--- From: Antique Phonograph List Date: 05/17/05 10:36:55 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] The Puritan Bomb'e I was in Adamstown, Pa. this past Sunday and saw an Puritan bomb'e phonograph. The reproducer and arm looked like the Columbia even thoe it didn't say that on the reproducer.. Also he was asking a firm $2,800.00. The machine is in beautiful shape. So, are the reproducers made by Columbia? And it that a going price for those machines? First time I saw one. Thanks, Keith ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From vt...@comcast.net Tue May 17 12:00:03 2005 From: vt...@comcast.net (vt...@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] The Puritan Bomb'e Message-ID: 051720051900.1678.428a3f330008494b068e2205886360cdce039...@comcast.net One just went at auction for $900, that was posted on this list (or the other phonolist). I know of another that the person was asking $1650. I am familiar with the Adamstown one and the person selling it. His asking prices are always outrageous. I think $2800 is a bit much for that machine. Vince -- Original message -- I was in Adamstown, Pa. this past Sunday and saw an Puritan bomb'e phonograph. The reproducer and arm looked like the Columbia even thoe it didn't say that on the reproducer.. Also he was asking a firm $2,800.00. The machine is in beautiful shape. So, are the reproducers made by Columbia? And it that a going price for those machines? First time I saw one. Thanks, Keith ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From vt...@comcast.net Tue May 17 12:06:22 2005 From: vt...@comcast.net (vt...@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] The Puritan Bomb'e Message-ID: 051720051906.13080.428a40ad00061e7533182205884484cdce039...@comcast.net Bob, You purchased the Puritan I referred to in this email. So it's obviously no longer for sale. But I agree with you on the pricing. Vince -- Original message -- One just went at auction for $900, that was posted on this list (or the other phonolist). I know of another that the person was asking $1650. I am familiar with the Adamstown one and the person selling it. His asking prices are always outrageous. I think $2800 is a bit much for that machine. Vince -- Original message -- I was in Adamstown, Pa. this past Sunday and saw an Puritan bomb'e phonograph. The reproducer and arm looked like the Columbia even thoe it didn't say that on the reproducer.. Also he was asking a firm $2,800.00. The machine is in beautiful shape. So, are the reproducers made by Columbia? And it that a going price for those machines? First time I saw one. Thanks, Keith ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From keith.car...@hq.doe.gov Tue May 17 12:10:52 2005 From: keith.car...@hq.doe.gov (Carter, Keith) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] The Puritan Bomb'e Message-ID: ccb6d3211ca73f41be22c145a595c727041...@hqgtnex5.doe.local I thought it was a bit too much in price. The machine did have 4 sides curved. The tone arm and reproducer were not gold plated. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:59 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Puritan Bomb'e Hi Keith...the Puritan Bombe's came in two different styles...one with just the sides curved, and the other with all four sides curved
[Phono-L] Cabinet for VV-IX
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[Phono-L] phone number needed
Hi All. Gregg Cline was here visiting from Ohio today and tried to contact allen Koenigsberg about the class M cabinet. He used my computer to try to contact Allen, but the message bounced back as undeliverable. Gregg really wants to talk to Allen about this. Does anyone have Allen's phone number? Bob Johnson in Oregon
[Phono-L] Which one? And why?
Good Morning John: You have my permission to reprint the picture of the lid decal. Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:35 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? Hi Bob Would you mind if I included the picture of the lid in the next GSPS Record (newsletter of the California chapter of MAPS)? And Loran, may I use the picture of the torn Victrola decal? John RObles Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com wrote: Hello All: I am the owner of the Upside Down Decal Vernis Martin. Thanks Jerry for your kind words on our collection. Regarding the upside down decal, noted Victor / Victrola historian and author Robert Baumbach had also speculated to me that it never made it out of the factory but was also never made right and sat in the factory for years. Most likely in the anticipation of coming of the Orthophonic era and November 1925 Victor Day the factory was ordered to sell remaining inventory at outta here prices. Bob Baumbach did indicate to me a year or two ago that he is aware of one or two other Victrolas with upside down or not perfectly centered decals. They are indeed rare items and I am thrilled to have it. Thanks all. Bob Johnson -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of estott Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? I wonder if it sat at the factory waiting to be fixed until it was out of style, and someone said Mark it down and move it out Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? On Nov 26, 2006, at 3:01 PM, john robles wrote: Fascinating. Is there a picture of an upside down decal available?? John Robles http://mrvictor.com/phono_collection/victor/photos/v050.jpg Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Which one? And why?
I acquired the Vernis Martin with the upside down decal by trading an Edison Eclipse and a Victrola XVIII for it in mid-2003. The former owner is a collector as well. For those on the list who don't know me, I am the proud owner of seven Vernis Martin Victrolas. Loran Hughes will soon post a picture of six of them on my website www.mrvictor.com The seventh one is currently under restoration. Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? Thanks Bob! Is there a story behind the acquisition? -Original Message- From: Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com Subj: RE: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? Date: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:50 am Size: 2K To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Good Morning John: You have my permission to reprint the picture of the lid decal. Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:35 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? Hi Bob Would you mind if I included the picture of the lid in the next GSPS Record (newsletter of the California chapter of MAPS)? And Loran, may I use the picture of the torn Victrola decal? John RObles Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com wrote: Hello All: I am the owner of the Upside Down Decal Vernis Martin. Thanks Jerry for your kind words on our collection. Regarding the upside down decal, noted Victor / Victrola historian and author Robert Baumbach had also speculated to me that it never made it out of the factory but was also never made right and sat in the factory for years. Most likely in the anticipation of coming of the Orthophonic era and November 1925 Victor Day the factory was ordered to sell remaining inventory at outta here prices. Bob Baumbach did indicate to me a year or two ago that he is aware of one or two other Victrolas with upside down or not perfectly centered decals. They are indeed rare items and I am thrilled to have it. Thanks all. Bob Johnson -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of estott Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? I wonder if it sat at the factory waiting to be fixed until it was out of style, and someone said Mark it down and move it out Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Which one? And why? On Nov 26, 2006, at 3:01 PM, john robles wrote: Fascinating. Is there a picture of an upside down decal available?? John Robles http://mrvictor.com/phono_collection/victor/photos/v050.jpg Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ --- message truncated --- ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] ebay item
HOLY S**T - A vernis martin on ebay. 330055723273
[Phono-L] test message
Looks like Loran might have got me up and running - This a test message.
[Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph
This discussion on patents and their relative value is interesting. In The Phonograph Book written by Lloyd Macfarlane, Chapter XX, he states Many an ingenious invention is not worth the paper it is written on, because it is not appreciated by those who are in a position to exploit it, but ninety nine percent of them are worthless just because they are. The author wrote this book in 1917 !!! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:52 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph I don't get it. What's the difference? How does this one put the soundwaves into the cylinder material? This just seems silly and redundant. What am I missing? - Original Message - From: Scott Colgrove sc...@alumni.calpoly.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Patent Search - tinfoil phonograph Take a look at this patent. It is a 2001 patent for tinfoil phonograph and method of recording/playback. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6185179id=zOEGEBAJprintsec=abst ractzoom=4dq=edison+tinfoil#PPA10,M1 ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
