[Phono-L] Glass record
Well, surprise! The $10,000 glass record has now been reduced to $2500. I think I will need to revise my bid from $10 down to $5. It's coming down fast. eBay #220055677922 ---Art Heller
[Phono-L] Glass record
On Dec 2, 2006, at 7:53 AM, aph4...@aol.com wrote: > Well, surprise! The $10,000 glass record has now been reduced to > $2500. I > think I will need to revise my bid from $10 down to $5. It's > coming down fast. This "cracks" me up. from the description: "...no one can put a price on it or knows MUSH about it" ;) Loran
[Phono-L] Glass record
Art,Did you see the special bonus now included? Its worth about fifty cents, I used his current formula of asking 250 times the value of the record.Steve> > Well, surprise! The $10,000 glass record has now been reduced to $2500. I > think I will need to revise my bid from $10 down to $5. It's coming down fast.> eBay #220055677922> > ---Art Heller> From ediso...@verizon.net Sat Dec 2 10:18:29 2006 From: ediso...@verizon.net (Dan K) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:06 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Glass record References: <8ef0ca86-3fb3-4611-8915-5497c5b86...@oldcrank.com> Message-ID: <001d01c7163e$45bd8460$6401a...@new> Well, that is "do to the WWI" , when the Kaiser and Nicholas Brothers took the Hindenburg to Pearl Harbor and bombed the Titanic with the first nucular family. :) - Original Message - From: "Loran T. Hughes" This "cracks" me up. from the description: "...no one can put a price on it or knows MUSH about it" ;) Loran
[Phono-L] Glass record
I'm astounded by the number of spelling and grammatical errors in the listing. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved [mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:35 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record Art,Did you see the special bonus now included? Its worth about fifty cents, I used his current formula of asking 250 times the value of the record.Steve> > Well, surprise! The $10,000 glass record has now been reduced to $2500. I > think I will need to revise my bid from $10 down to $5. It's coming down fast.> eBay #220055677922> > ---Art Heller> ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
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Here is the reply I got when I told him it was a home recording of a fireside chat. This guy does not know his wars, can't spell and is rude. Good try but if you can read he says himself that this is no fire side chat and do you have onE like this? I would like to see it or a glass record do you have one no i didn't think so good try do your home work ok!!> Well, that is "do to the WWI" , when the Kaiser and Nicholas Brothers took the Hindenburg to Pearl > Harbor and bombed the Titanic with the first nucular family. :)> > > - Original Message - > From: "Loran T. Hughes" > > This "cracks" me up. from the description:> "...no one can put a price on it or knows MUSH about it"> > ;)> Loran > > ___> Phono-L mailing list> Phono-L@oldcrank.org> > Phono-L Archive> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From bosomm...@adelphia.net Sat Dec 2 16:21:40 2006 From: bosomm...@adelphia.net (Walt Sommers) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:06 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Glass record In-Reply-To: <037b01c71642$2d64ecb0$6600a...@archimedes> Message-ID: <011101c71671$00fd3c20$0200a...@daddell> Imagine mastering and producing a "glass" record in 1940Exactly what would have been added to glass in order to maintain its strength when it is formed into grooves with sub-micron surfaces? This would shave a record duster down to the leather in a wink! What on earth would you use (short of a laser) as a stylus? I say soak it in a 50/50 mixture of denatured alcohol and acetone and then scrap the aluminum core for money (maybe 80 cents worth if you can get all the dissolved goo off). Now if Franklin D. Roosevelt doesn't appeal to you, take a look at this Kate Smith recording for $50,000.00 ON A GLASS RECORD in eBay auction 180025283702. Is it possible that these folks REALLY believe their descriptions? Perhaps it is some kind of gold-fever euphoria gone haywire. I just can't (or perhaps don't want to) believe that the such things are egregious fraud in hopes of getting that spare $50,000 out of the pocket of a passer-by. Weird -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mgraziano1 Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:46 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record I'm astounded by the number of spelling and grammatical errors in the listing. -----Original Message- From: Steven Medved [mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:35 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record Art,Did you see the special bonus now included? Its worth about fifty cents, I used his current formula of asking 250 times the value of the record.Steve> > Well, surprise! The $10,000 glass record has now been reduced to $2500. I > think I will need to revise my bid from $10 down to $5. It's coming down fast.> eBay #220055677922> > ---Art Heller> ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006
[Phono-L] Glass record
I lack the ambition to go look, so how inflated is the shipping charge? On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 19:21:40 -0500, Walt Sommers wrote: >Imagine mastering and producing a "glass" record in 1940Exactly what >would have been added to glass in order to maintain its strength when it is >formed into grooves with sub-micron surfaces? This would shave a record >duster down to the leather in a wink! What on earth would you use (short of >a laser) as a stylus? >I say soak it in a 50/50 mixture of denatured alcohol and acetone and then >scrap the aluminum core for money (maybe 80 cents worth if you can get all >the dissolved goo off). >Now if Franklin D. Roosevelt doesn't appeal to you, take a look at this Kate >Smith recording for $50,000.00 ON A GLASS RECORD in eBay auction >180025283702. >Is it possible that these folks REALLY believe their descriptions? Perhaps >it is some kind of gold-fever euphoria gone haywire. I just can't (or >perhaps don't want to) believe that the such things are egregious fraud in >hopes of getting that spare $50,000 out of the pocket of a passer-by. >Weird
[Phono-L] Glass record
- Original Message - From: "Walt Sommers" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record Imagine mastering and producing a "glass" record in 1940Exactly what would have been added to glass in order to maintain its strength when it is formed into grooves with sub-micron surfaces? This would shave a record duster down to the leather in a wink! What on earth would you use (short of a laser) as a stylus? I say soak it in a 50/50 mixture of denatured alcohol and acetone and then scrap the aluminum core for money (maybe 80 cents worth if you can get all the dissolved goo off). Sorry if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you might not be aware that recording and transcription discs were made on glass cores during the war, to save on aluminium. Given an acetate coating the glass blanks functioned just as well as the metal cored ones but they were heavier, thicker, and of course they broke. Now, in reality the government had plenty of aluminum in stock, but attention to scrimping and saving was good for morale and kept people's minds occupied. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Glass record
But the lathe cut into the acetate and not the aluminum/glass. (I was just imagining the process of actually using 100% glass as the seller's ad would lead one to consider.) -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of estott Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:50 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Glass record - Original Message - From: "Walt Sommers" To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record Imagine mastering and producing a "glass" record in 1940Exactly what would have been added to glass in order to maintain its strength when it is formed into grooves with sub-micron surfaces? This would shave a record duster down to the leather in a wink! What on earth would you use (short of a laser) as a stylus? I say soak it in a 50/50 mixture of denatured alcohol and acetone and then scrap the aluminum core for money (maybe 80 cents worth if you can get all the dissolved goo off). Sorry if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you might not be aware that recording and transcription discs were made on glass cores during the war, to save on aluminium. Given an acetate coating the glass blanks functioned just as well as the metal cored ones but they were heavier, thicker, and of course they broke. Now, in reality the government had plenty of aluminum in stock, but attention to scrimping and saving was good for morale and kept people's minds occupied. Eric Stott ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006
[Phono-L] Glass record
Hi Eric and Walt, It is very nice to have such knowledgeable people on the list, thanks I appreciated your explanations. With regards to the high prices for items you can tell, the mean, rude ones think they have a goldmine and when you tell them the truth they think you are trying to cheat them. I wrote to a guy who was selling two Golden & Hughes cylinders for $1500, he was nice and said an antique dealer appraised them and thanked me. Greed blinds and people get angry, you can tell they really believe what they are writing.Steve> > Is it possible that these folks REALLY believe their descriptions? Perhaps> it is some kind of gold-fever euphoria gone haywire. I just can't (or> perhaps don't want to) believe that the such things are egregious fraud in> hopes of getting that spare $50,000 out of the pocket of a passer-by.> > Weird From a...@popyrus.com Sat Dec 2 20:04:13 2006 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:12:06 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Glass recording discs and home recording systems In-Reply-To: <000e01c7167d$53d2de80$47e6f...@esjqacchoqgqch> References: <011101c71671$00fd3c20$0200a...@daddell> <000e01c7167d$53d2de80$47e6f...@esjqacchoqgqch> Message-ID: <18c1f269-dcbb-4710-889a-de07b9b37...@popyrus.com> I have a bunch of the acetate-surfaced 12" glass recording discs, NOS, still in their original wood crate, ca. WWII. They're interesting in that you can hold one up to the sun or other strong illumination and see right through the disc. The light shining through the acetate layers and glass appears as a deep, dark blue- gray. The recording surfaces are a perfect mirror-- I'd say smoother than the Wilcox-Gay or other home or commercial recording discs or acetate transcriptions I've seen. A couple of these have the acetate unbonded in great flakes, revealing the clear(er) glass core, but most are perfect. Some day I'll see how well they record on the Recordio, in relation to their aluminum-cored brethren. Home recording has interested me, in its various evolutions from Edison cylinders to the commercially unsuccessful RCA Victor pre- grooved discs of the early thirties to the more successful acetate coated disc systems of the late thirties to early fifties. I've accumulated all the apparatus to record on these various systems; machines, cutting styli, blanks, etc. Have done some experimentation with the cylinders and the acetates. I've played around a bit with the wire recorders (what a pain that system was! -- Very crude arrangement of friction bands and spring tension to regulate speed, etc.), but haven't yet attempted recording on the pre-grooved Victor system of 1930-31. Those blanks and cutting & playback needles are a bit harder to find. I also need to do a full electronic restoration on the RE-57 before I can get my feet wet on that system, but it intrigues me nonetheless. Are there any on this list who have experimented with these systems? Andy Baron On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:49 PM, estott wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Walt Sommers" > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:21 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Glass record > > Sorry if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you might not be aware that > recording and transcription discs were made on glass cores during > the war, to save on aluminium. Given an acetate coating the glass > blanks functioned just as well as the metal cored ones but they > were heavier, thicker, and of course they broke. > > Now, in reality the government had plenty of aluminum in stock, but > attention to scrimping and saving was good for morale and kept > people's minds occupied. > > Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Glass record
In a message dated 12/2/2006 6:53:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, est...@localnet.com writes: Sorry if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you might not be aware that recording and transcription discs were made on glass cores during the war, to save on aluminium. Given an acetate coating the glass blanks functioned just as well as the metal cored ones but they were heavier, thicker, and of course they broke. Now, in reality the government had plenty of aluminum in stock, but attention to scrimping and saving was good for morale and kept people's minds occupied. Eric Stott I agree with you, Eric. Glass records were indeed produced during WWII and were coated. I didn't know that the coating was acetate. I thought it might be shellac. In any case, I have a piece of junk glass record that I picked up at a garage sale for maybe 50 cents. I think I should put it up on eBay for maybe $50,000 and see who bites. It's kind of like fishing, isn't it? All you need is one fish! ---Art Heller
[Phono-L] Glass record
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Glass record > > > I agree with you, Eric. Glass records were indeed produced during WWII > and > were coated. I didn't know that the coating was acetate. I thought it > might > be shellac. Might be right, I haven't looked too thoroughly into the matter, but I'm absolutely certain that someone out there will correct me. Eric Stott
[Phono-L] Glass Record - Kenneth's french cousin
Here 27 very average (ie 2 $ a piece at best) records 140057833384 By the way, they did not sell at 14'000 euro so its also relisted at a 'reduced' price :-) regards Rob
[Phono-L] Glass Record - Kenneth's french cousin
In a message dated 12/3/2006 8:00:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, plav...@gmail.com writes: Here 27 very average (ie 2 $ a piece at best) records 140057833384 By the way, they did not sell at 14'000 euro so its also relisted at a 'reduced' price :-) regards Rob And shipping insurance is "not offered". How nice! --Art Heller
