Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
Success!! I was already using grease (nasty black stuff, for cars with disc brakes) so was disappointed by the use grease! replies - HOWEVER, as 100% of the replies were use grease, that had to be the answer. My grease was not sticky enough. I dug out a little tube of Bulb Grease, unopened for maybe 15 years, and put some in the bearing race of the arm, AFTER having all the parts in the fridge for an hour. Also turned the a/c up full-blast, and tried not to heat the parts with my hands. That stuff was like almost-dry rubber cement - the balls did not move from their groove, and the goo was strong enough to hold the steel plate in place while I slipped the assembly into its mounting hole slid the cover on. Many thanks to youse all! I promise not to fiddle with the brass reproducer - not broken, no fixin'. Now, I will clean out the sticky bulb grease look into that F-1 hard felt . ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
McMaster-Carr sells it and it is real wool, not polyester. On 08/03/2012 02:19 AM, DanKj wrote: Success!! I was already using grease (nasty black stuff, for cars with disc brakes) so was disappointed by the use grease! replies - HOWEVER, as 100% of the replies were use grease, that had to be the answer. My grease was not sticky enough. I dug out a little tube of Bulb Grease, unopened for maybe 15 years, and put some in the bearing race of the arm, AFTER having all the parts in the fridge for an hour. Also turned the a/c up full-blast, and tried not to heat the parts with my hands. That stuff was like almost-dry rubber cement - the balls did not move from their groove, and the goo was strong enough to hold the steel plate in place while I slipped the assembly into its mounting hole slid the cover on. Many thanks to youse all! I promise not to fiddle with the brass reproducer - not broken, no fixin'. Now, I will clean out the sticky bulb grease look into that F-1 hard felt . ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
Hi Dan ~ If the grease is very light, like a dab of white lithium grease out of a tube (not the spray), there's no need to clean it out after assembly (likewise avoid cleaning sprays which can cause collateral damage to finishes if not precisely controlled and masked). The main thing is that the new grease should be light and not stiff (avoid wheel bearing grease, etc.), so you're not impeding the free lateral movement of the tone arm as this will cause premature wear to the records and could affect sound quality. Naturally you'll have removed every trace of the old grease from the balls, retainer and races prior to applying the new, which should be done relatively sparingly. As Ron noted, they greased these at the factory, so there's no reason to clean out your fresh application of uncontaminated grease. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 2, 2012, at 6:08 AM, Rich wrote: Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
That will not remove all of it unless you make a project of it, and you only want a very light coat of a pure synthetic oil on them anyway. Grease is not what belongs in there. On 08/02/2012 08:48 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Why would you want to clean the grease off? The bearings need to be lubed and I'm pretty sure there was grease in there originally. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:08 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
There were greased at the factory because that was the state of the art at the time. Light synthetic oil will function much better. Youcan either stick with antique technology or update. On 08/02/2012 09:41 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: Hi Dan ~ If the grease is very light, like a dab of white lithium grease out of a tube (not the spray), there's no need to clean it out after assembly (likewise avoid cleaning sprays which can cause collateral damage to finishes if not precisely controlled and masked). The main thing is that the new grease should be light and not stiff (avoid wheel bearing grease, etc.), so you're not impeding the free lateral movement of the tone arm as this will cause premature wear to the records and could affect sound quality. Naturally you'll have removed every trace of the old grease from the balls, retainer and races prior to applying the new, which should be done relatively sparingly. As Ron noted, they greased these at the factory, so there's no reason to clean out your fresh application of uncontaminated grease. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 2, 2012, at 6:08 AM, Rich wrote: Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
I wonder if you could even tell the difference if the grease were there or not, given the fact that you are supposed to grease joints to make them air-tight. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:16 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed That will not remove all of it unless you make a project of it, and you only want a very light coat of a pure synthetic oil on them anyway. Grease is not what belongs in there. On 08/02/2012 08:48 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Why would you want to clean the grease off? The bearings need to be lubed and I'm pretty sure there was grease in there originally. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:08 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
I always put lots of grease to keep the bearings in while putting the arm back together AND I also put lots of grease on both surfaces of the felt donut below the arm where it contacts the iron casting elbow to order to make a good seal. GrnMountainBill On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: I wonder if you could even tell the difference if the grease were there or not, given the fact that you are supposed to grease joints to make them air-tight. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:16 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed That will not remove all of it unless you make a project of it, and you only want a very light coat of a pure synthetic oil on them anyway. Grease is not what belongs in there. On 08/02/2012 08:48 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Why would you want to clean the grease off? The bearings need to be lubed and I'm pretty sure there was grease in there originally. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:08 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- From The Hubbard House On the park in Rochester, Vermont where it's always 1929. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed
If you cut the gaskets from F-1 hard felt it appears as a solid to any sound waves that are on those records. It is also self lubricating. On 08/02/2012 01:41 PM, William Zucca wrote: I always put lots of grease to keep the bearings in while putting the arm back together AND I also put lots of grease on both surfaces of the felt donut below the arm where it contacts the iron casting elbow to order to make a good seal. GrnMountainBill On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Ron L'Heraultlhera...@bu.edu wrote: I wonder if you could even tell the difference if the grease were there or not, given the fact that you are supposed to grease joints to make them air-tight. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:16 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed That will not remove all of it unless you make a project of it, and you only want a very light coat of a pure synthetic oil on them anyway. Grease is not what belongs in there. On 08/02/2012 08:48 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Why would you want to clean the grease off? The bearings need to be lubed and I'm pretty sure there was grease in there originally. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:08 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed Grease to hold them in place and good electrical contact cleaner to clean it out after assembled. On 08/02/2012 02:26 AM, DanKj wrote: I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again! I just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws are replaced. Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was impossible to keep every part in place. Also tried assembling right in the Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on. I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how it was put together changed my mind! Any suggestions will be received with gratitude. :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
