Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions
MV: Thanks for your interest in my posts with regard to a recently obtained Victor Xii. You mention Victor XII had 2 styles, OLD New). What is the difference in them? I believe the machine I have is a very restorable machine as the only thing missing, are the knobs reproducer, as far as I can tell.the back lid hinge is split away from the bottom of the cabinet with some cracks splintering. The crank has been sheered off at the support post however, that is the extent of its major problems. Like all machines I get, I like to explore them and disassemble them down to their nuts Bolts, thus my questions as to the motor tone arm, to understand phonos. This is how over the years I have been able to learn about phonos and repair some as well. Not to exclude the valuable support from Phono-listers family and friends. You offer one of your machines to an interested person who wants to preserve / or obtain one. What is your price? Again, I have a Victor VI so don't need parts. I really don't have the room for a, what I consider a large table model and I will be doing something with this. It depends on what works the best. I agree, parting out machines can be a disregard for the points you offer, and I also have run across machines which have been parted out! I obtained a Victor X table model and what remained was only the cabinet, back bracket, and horn. Hey! How about an offer! *smile* Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ny victrolaman Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:43 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions I know I'm walking into the middle of a discussion here, but I truly hope that no one is seriously considering breaking up a Victrola XII to use the parts on a different model machine -- or, for that matter, doing anything with it besides restoring it. The XII is a very rare and historically-important machine. It was the first tabletop Victrola, and only the second Victrola model ever produced. Victor made fewer than 5,000 of them, split about evenly between the old style and the new style. To take parts from a XII and use them on a Victor VI (of which Victor manufactured more than 17,000!), or any other machine, would be truly tragic. If for some reason the machine is not restorable, the parts would be extremely valuable to someone with an incomplete (or broken) XII who has no doubt been searching for them for years. I am the proud owner of two old style Victrola XII's, restored and complete with keys. They are beautiful machines, the pride of my collection, although I sometimes feel guilty owning two of them. If someone is looking for one, let me know. MV P.S. If I am mistaken about the nature or content of this discussion, please accept my apology. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: phono-list: I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it, I have some questions. I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor removal of the tone arm. It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to accommodate the Cup portion . So: Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top? Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be removed? With regard to the tone arm removal: It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm from the shaft in the bracket do you: Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod / shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a Victor II -VI: Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft after it is out of the bracket? What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions
Ron: I spent a little time with some oil a hair dryer, heated it up and the bracket came in two parts. After a little convincing from a small wooden mallet caution care. I still am just: studying the motor. again, thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:13 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions My Type 6 has the cup but the hole in the wood is big enough for it to drop through. I've never had the motor out of it so I'm not sure. It may be a press fit, removable after the cross pin is tapped out. I do know that its purpose is to support the turntable but allow it to tilt a bit without putting strain on the center shaft, which does not have a very large diameter. Without the cup one could lean on the TT and bend the shaft. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 7:09 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions phono-list: I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it, I have some questions. I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor removal of the tone arm. It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to accommodate the Cup portion . So: Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top? Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be removed? With regard to the tone arm removal: It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm from the shaft in the bracket do you: Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod / shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a Victor II -VI: Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft after it is out of the bracket? What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor XII questions
I know I'm walking into the middle of a discussion here, but I truly hope that no one is seriously considering breaking up a Victrola XII to use the parts on a different model machine -- or, for that matter, doing anything with it besides restoring it. The XII is a very rare and historically-important machine. It was the first tabletop Victrola, and only the second Victrola model ever produced. Victor made fewer than 5,000 of them, split about evenly between the old style and the new style. To take parts from a XII and use them on a Victor VI (of which Victor manufactured more than 17,000!), or any other machine, would be truly tragic. If for some reason the machine is not restorable, the parts would be extremely valuable to someone with an incomplete (or broken) XII who has no doubt been searching for them for years. I am the proud owner of two old style Victrola XII's, restored and complete with keys. They are beautiful machines, the pride of my collection, although I sometimes feel guilty owning two of them. If someone is looking for one, let me know. MV P.S. If I am mistaken about the nature or content of this discussion, please accept my apology. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: phono-list: I am exploring the Victor XII I have and before deciding what to do with it, I have some questions. I am a little confused by the disassembly of the Victor XII motor removal of the tone arm. It is my experience that when removing a motor from the motor board, it involves removing the bolts from the motor board and the motor ( with the spindle attached) drops out the opening in the center of the motor board In the case of the Victor XII, no hole in the motor board, large enough to accommodate the Cup portion . So: Does the spindle top portion above the motor board, thread apart, allowing the bottom portion to be removed and be separated from the top? Does the spindle need to be removed by loosening the gear which meshes with the governor shaft, then pulled up from the top and the motor board can be removed? With regard to the tone arm removal: It appears that the tone arm bracket is in 2 parts. To remove the tone arm from the shaft in the bracket do you: Loosen the screw in the tone arm from the shaft, somehow, push the rod / shaft down and then tilt the shaft and slide the tone arm off similar to a Victor II -VI: Or, remove the 2 bolts holding the top part from the base and it will come apart in pieces and can be removed by removing the tone arm from the shaft after it is out of the bracket? What is the function of the cup shaped part on the top portion of spindle? It seems like a rest sport for the platter. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
