[PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Emmanuel FAIVRE]

http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html

no word to comment that !

just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !

Manu



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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Nick Loman]

"get some skills" please ZDNet - that has to be one of the poorest reviews
of anything on any platform ever.

No comments system either -- probably using BroadVision :/

Is there a php-advocacy list? I'm getting sick of having to explain
exactly why PHP is better than ColdFusion et al. It would be good to
co-ordinate efforts :)

Nick.



On Fri, 18 May 2001, Emmanuel FAIVRE wrote:

> http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html
> 
> no word to comment that !
> 
> just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !
> 
> Manu
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Brian Moon]

That may be the worst done article I have ever read.  I could rewrite every
paragraph and turn it on ASP or Perl or any language.  He obviously did not
put much effort into it.

My Take:

"The Unix version of ASP, unfortunately, cannot be taken seriously as it
does not exist except in a very expensive form from ChiliSoft.  We scanned
the web for comments on IIS and commonly found that there are built in back
doors that allow everyone in the world to see your code.

"ASP uses some sort of home rolled database abstraction layer that limits
the use of key features of most databases and turns them all into simplified
useless tools."

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> http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html
>
> no word to comment that !
>
> just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !
>
> Manu
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Gavin Sherry]

There is a disappointing trend in 'mainstream' commentary on open source
projects. This is an example of one.

In the last year of so I have had a lot of experience with poor media
coverage of projects I am either involved in or follow closely. One of the
worst being an all out attack on PostgreSQL by an indian online magazine
resently which seemed to be directed at an entirely different project.

I think the short-comings of this article should be addressed in a civil
manner. An open letter to ZDNet and the author, for example. This could be
posted on the front page of php.net and would probably get coverage on
places such as slashdot and perhaps ZDNet itself. I would recommend
against personal and emotion emails to the author or to ZDNet as has
happened in other cases.

Such an open letter could be arranged on this list or by some of the top
developers. I think it unfortunate that especially in the case of Open
Source journalists are not doing any research -- I say especially because
there is such a large amount of information and support for open source
projects such as PHP.

I would be happy to draft a response if everyone else would like to move
in that direction.

Gavin

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Emmanuel FAIVRE wrote:

> http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html
> 
> no word to comment that !
> 
> just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !
> 
> Manu
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[John Donagher]

Responding to this article only prolongs its life.

Treat PC Magazine/ZDNET's reviews as you would a 3rd grader's book report.
These are not technical publications; they are the Popular Mechanics of the PC
world. When considering languages/environments to use when building an
application, very few people will read ZDNET publications to help them decide. 

John

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Gavin Sherry wrote:

> There is a disappointing trend in 'mainstream' commentary on open source
> projects. This is an example of one.
> 
> In the last year of so I have had a lot of experience with poor media
> coverage of projects I am either involved in or follow closely. One of the
> worst being an all out attack on PostgreSQL by an indian online magazine
> resently which seemed to be directed at an entirely different project.
> 
> I think the short-comings of this article should be addressed in a civil
> manner. An open letter to ZDNet and the author, for example. This could be
> posted on the front page of php.net and would probably get coverage on
> places such as slashdot and perhaps ZDNet itself. I would recommend
> against personal and emotion emails to the author or to ZDNet as has
> happened in other cases.
> 
> Such an open letter could be arranged on this list or by some of the top
> developers. I think it unfortunate that especially in the case of Open
> Source journalists are not doing any research -- I say especially because
> there is such a large amount of information and support for open source
> projects such as PHP.
> 
> I would be happy to draft a response if everyone else would like to move
> in that direction.
> 
> Gavin
> 
> On Fri, 18 May 2001, Emmanuel FAIVRE wrote:
> 
> > http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html
> > 
> > no word to comment that !
> > 
> > just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !
> > 
> > Manu
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Rasmus Lerdorf]

> Responding to this article only prolongs its life.
>
> Treat PC Magazine/ZDNET's reviews as you would a 3rd grader's book report.
> These are not technical publications; they are the Popular Mechanics of the PC
> world. When considering languages/environments to use when building an
> application, very few people will read ZDNET publications to help them decide.

I agree.  It is so poorly researched that I think people will see it for
what it is.

-Rasmus


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Michael Loftis]

They were actually considering Windows as a viable platform for a server at all.

*shudder*

John Donagher wrote:

> Responding to this article only prolongs its life.
>
> Treat PC Magazine/ZDNET's reviews as you would a 3rd grader's book report.
> These are not technical publications; they are the Popular Mechanics of the PC
> world. When considering languages/environments to use when building an
> application, very few people will read ZDNET publications to help them decide.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2001, Gavin Sherry wrote:
>
> > There is a disappointing trend in 'mainstream' commentary on open source
> > projects. This is an example of one.
> >
> > In the last year of so I have had a lot of experience with poor media
> > coverage of projects I am either involved in or follow closely. One of the
> > worst being an all out attack on PostgreSQL by an indian online magazine
> > resently which seemed to be directed at an entirely different project.
> >
> > I think the short-comings of this article should be addressed in a civil
> > manner. An open letter to ZDNet and the author, for example. This could be
> > posted on the front page of php.net and would probably get coverage on
> > places such as slashdot and perhaps ZDNet itself. I would recommend
> > against personal and emotion emails to the author or to ZDNet as has
> > happened in other cases.
> >
> > Such an open letter could be arranged on this list or by some of the top
> > developers. I think it unfortunate that especially in the case of Open
> > Source journalists are not doing any research -- I say especially because
> > there is such a large amount of information and support for open source
> > projects such as PHP.
> >
> > I would be happy to draft a response if everyone else would like to move
> > in that direction.
> >
> > Gavin
> >
> > On Fri, 18 May 2001, Emmanuel FAIVRE wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html
> > >
> > > no word to comment that !
> > >
> > > just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !
> > >
> > > Manu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 720 University Ave.
> Los Gatos CA 95032
> www.intacct.com
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Zeev Suraski]

At 08:07 18/5/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > Responding to this article only prolongs its life.
> >
> > Treat PC Magazine/ZDNET's reviews as you would a 3rd grader's book report.
> > These are not technical publications; they are the Popular Mechanics of 
> the PC
> > world. When considering languages/environments to use when building an
> > application, very few people will read ZDNET publications to help them 
> decide.
>
>I agree.  It is so poorly researched that I think people will see it for
>what it is.

I think that the main problem is that people won't see it for what it is...

Zeev


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Zeev Suraski]

I actually don't think that understating the importance of the article, or 
mocking its authors, is going to do us any good.  Fact is that people do 
read it, and worse, very often they only look at the bottom line, without 
even looking for the reasoning.
I'd happily reply to some of their invalid points, but I couldn't even find 
a place to do that in.

Zeev

At 08:56 18/5/2001, Michael Loftis wrote:
>They were actually considering Windows as a viable platform for a server 
>at all.
>
>*shudder*
>
>John Donagher wrote:
>
> > Responding to this article only prolongs its life.
> >
> > Treat PC Magazine/ZDNET's reviews as you would a 3rd grader's book report.
> > These are not technical publications; they are the Popular Mechanics of 
> the PC
> > world. When considering languages/environments to use when building an
> > application, very few people will read ZDNET publications to help them 
> decide.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Fri, 18 May 2001, Gavin Sherry wrote:
> >
> > > There is a disappointing trend in 'mainstream' commentary on open source
> > > projects. This is an example of one.
> > >
> > > In the last year of so I have had a lot of experience with poor media
> > > coverage of projects I am either involved in or follow closely. One 
> of the
> > > worst being an all out attack on PostgreSQL by an indian online magazine
> > > resently which seemed to be directed at an entirely different project.
> > >
> > > I think the short-comings of this article should be addressed in a civil
> > > manner. An open letter to ZDNet and the author, for example. This 
> could be
> > > posted on the front page of php.net and would probably get coverage on
> > > places such as slashdot and perhaps ZDNet itself. I would recommend
> > > against personal and emotion emails to the author or to ZDNet as has
> > > happened in other cases.
> > >
> > > Such an open letter could be arranged on this list or by some of the top
> > > developers. I think it unfortunate that especially in the case of Open
> > > Source journalists are not doing any research -- I say especially because
> > > there is such a large amount of information and support for open source
> > > projects such as PHP.
> > >
> > > I would be happy to draft a response if everyone else would like to move
> > > in that direction.
> > >
> > > Gavin
> > >
> > > On Fri, 18 May 2001, Emmanuel FAIVRE wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2711724,00.html
> > > >
> > > > no word to comment that !
> > > >
> > > > just see a adbanner for ColdFusion on the same page !
> > > >
> > > > Manu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Zdnet Article

[Stanislav Malyshev]

BM>> That may be the worst done article I have ever read.  I could
BM>> rewrite every paragraph and turn it on ASP or Perl or any
BM>> language.  He obviously did not put much effort into it.

Well, see - to write an article on CF/PHP comparison, you need person to
know CF and PHP. It's pretty hard to find someone who knows *both* CF and
PHP equally well - and even harder to make him spend time on writing the
article. It's much easier to find someone who is paid to do CF and "looked
once" into PHP and ask him to write comparison. ZDNet obsiously has gone
the easy track, as they do always.
On the other side, every mention in the press is a good press :)
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