Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Jim Jagielski]

I also volunteer as well.

Aaron Bannert wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 04:45:53PM -0400, Cliff Woolley wrote:
> > FWIW, Aaron and I are trying really hard to get the Apache 2 support
> > ironed out in the very near term (like the next day or so).  It's not far
> > off.  Serious improvements can still be made, and those could wait until a
> > later version, but IMHO having _something_ that works is easily achievable
> > and would be a major boon to Apache 2.  :)
> > 
> > PS: And yes, we volunteer to look at the bug reports!
> 
> I just wanted to reiterate what Cliff is saying. We just posted a
> patch to fix 1 of the 2 major problems from the apache2filter, and I'm
> pounding on the second now. The more visibility we have into this module
> the more likely it is that we'll find and squash the bugs. Also, having
> PHP available for Apache 2 would be awesome sooner than later. :)
> 
> -aaron
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Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Aaron Bannert]

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 07:20:11AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nice work, maybe you can apply for a CVS account to sapi/apache2 then? 
> There is still some work todo (also for a static module and for some other 
> process models that Apache 2 has). I still want to mark Apache 2 support 
> as experimental for PHP 4.2.0, as there has not been done enough testing 
> and QA on it.

I'll be committing what I have tomorrow morning to HEAD, and we can
figure out what we want to merge (or not) after that get's some QA
attention.

As for the Apache 2 MPMs, this commit should get us working on all known
MPMs, including windows and other platform-specific MPMs.  Static module
support is something that probably needs to be solved on a larger scale
from inside apache, but we can address that too.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Aaron Bannert]

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 04:45:53PM -0400, Cliff Woolley wrote:
> FWIW, Aaron and I are trying really hard to get the Apache 2 support
> ironed out in the very near term (like the next day or so).  It's not far
> off.  Serious improvements can still be made, and those could wait until a
> later version, but IMHO having _something_ that works is easily achievable
> and would be a major boon to Apache 2.  :)
> 
> PS: And yes, we volunteer to look at the bug reports!

I just wanted to reiterate what Cliff is saying. We just posted a
patch to fix 1 of the 2 major problems from the apache2filter, and I'm
pounding on the second now. The more visibility we have into this module
the more likely it is that we'll find and squash the bugs. Also, having
PHP available for Apache 2 would be awesome sooner than later. :)

-aaron

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[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Xavier Spriet]

It can be enabled only when the user compiles PHP with --with-apxs2 or --with-apache2 
anyway right ?
so I agree with the idea to leave it there and explain that it is not supposed to work 
in a stable way...
it won't bother users that don't try to compile it with apache2 support and for the 
other ones, they'll
know what to expect anyway...
it's just my opinion.

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-Original Message-
From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:23 PM
To: Robinson, Mike; 'Jani Taskinen'; Stanislav Malyshev
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Subject: Re: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE:
[PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0


At 08:39 09/04/2002 -0400, Robinson, Mike wrote:

>Jani Taskinen writes:
>
> > I'd rather have 4.2.0 released without the apache2 support
> > and  work on the code to get it work for real and release
> > 4.2.1 with the fixed support.
>
>IMHO, removing Apache2 support will not affect the number of
>Apache2-related bugs reported. If anything, removing it will
>cause more.
>
>Why not leave it in there, mark it as beta/unstable and be
>vocal about that in the release announcement.

+1 from me. I think giving people a chance to play around with it will make 
it easier for us to make the next version stable.

Andi


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[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Andi Gutmans]

At 08:39 09/04/2002 -0400, Robinson, Mike wrote:

>Jani Taskinen writes:
>
> > I'd rather have 4.2.0 released without the apache2 support
> > and  work on the code to get it work for real and release
> > 4.2.1 with the fixed support.
>
>IMHO, removing Apache2 support will not affect the number of
>Apache2-related bugs reported. If anything, removing it will
>cause more.
>
>Why not leave it in there, mark it as beta/unstable and be
>vocal about that in the release announcement.

+1 from me. I think giving people a chance to play around with it will make 
it easier for us to make the next version stable.

Andi


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RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Robinson, Mike]

Title: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0





Markus Fischer writes:


> > IMHO, removing Apache2 support will not affect the number of
> > Apache2-related bugs reported
> 
> How can there be if we remove apache2 completely ? :)


Why do we still get bug reports about floats.
Why do we still get bug reports about built-in mysql libs
and mod_auth_mysql.


Again, better it be in and broken (which could actually assist
in the QA process) than not in at all after being in for all this
time.


And hey, this is just my opinion... ok?   :)



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RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Stanislav Malyshev]

RB>> Which client library are you using?

The bundled one, I think... 

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RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Rose, Billy]

Which client library are you using?

Billy Rose 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:20 AM
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0


RB>> Which mysql functions are causing the segfault? I currently have PHP
RB>> 4.2.0RC2 + Apache 2.0.35 running on my test machine and PHP 4.1.2 +
RB>> Apache 2.0.32 running on a production machine with 1.3.22 on it in
RB>> case things go sour.

for me, mysql_connect segfaults in gethostname, but I strongly suspect the 
cause is elsewhere, because the code in question looks completely 
innocent. I didn't have time yet to investigate it further. 

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RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Stanislav Malyshev]

RB>> Which mysql functions are causing the segfault? I currently have PHP
RB>> 4.2.0RC2 + Apache 2.0.35 running on my test machine and PHP 4.1.2 +
RB>> Apache 2.0.32 running on a production machine with 1.3.22 on it in
RB>> case things go sour.

for me, mysql_connect segfaults in gethostname, but I strongly suspect the 
cause is elsewhere, because the code in question looks completely 
innocent. I didn't have time yet to investigate it further. 

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RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Rose, Billy]

Which mysql functions are causing the segfault? I currently have PHP
4.2.0RC2 + Apache 2.0.35 running on my test machine and PHP 4.1.2 + Apache
2.0.32 running on a production machine with 1.3.22 on it in case things go
sour.

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From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:10 AM
To: Derick Rethans
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Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0


DR>> after a little discussion on IRC, we came to the conclusion that it
DR>> is not a good idea to say that php 4.2.0 supports apache 2. The
DR>> reasoning behind is that we are not even 50% sure if apache 2(.0.35)
DR>> works correctly, or that the filter works correctly. This is because

Actually, I complied CVS apache2filter with 2.0.35, and it segfaults on 
some mysql functions. I don't know the reason yet, but what is clear that 
it's not in the 'working' stage as of now.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Markus Fischer]

Heh, *I* give a shit for /., honestly.

I prefer a working and Q&A'd release "it's done when it's
done". That says it all.

But that's only my opinion.

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:13:07PM +0200, Stefan Esser wrote : 
> Morning,
> 
> > How can there be if we remove apache2 completely ? :)
> 
> Hmm i don't know how much work must be put into the apache2 support i just
> know
> that people are discussing everywhere (f.e. slashdot) when finally PHP will
> support
> Apache2. It depends what you like more... Beta code tested in the wild (not
> only
> by QA members but on ALL weird platforms) or QAed code that will be not
> working
> on some systems/platforms, too.
> 
> Stefan
> 
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Stefan Esser]

Morning,

> How can there be if we remove apache2 completely ? :)

Hmm i don't know how much work must be put into the apache2 support i just
know
that people are discussing everywhere (f.e. slashdot) when finally PHP will
support
Apache2. It depends what you like more... Beta code tested in the wild (not
only
by QA members but on ALL weird platforms) or QAed code that will be not
working
on some systems/platforms, too.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Markus Fischer]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:39:01AM -0400, Robinson, Mike wrote : 
> Jani Taskinen writes:
> 
> > I'd rather have 4.2.0 released without the apache2 support 
> > and  work on the code to get it work for real and release
> > 4.2.1 with the fixed support.
> 
> IMHO, removing Apache2 support will not affect the number of
> Apache2-related bugs reported

How can there be if we remove apache2 completely ? :)

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RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Robinson, Mike]

Title: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0





Jani Taskinen writes:


> I'd rather have 4.2.0 released without the apache2 support 
> and  work on the code to get it work for real and release
> 4.2.1 with the fixed support.


IMHO, removing Apache2 support will not affect the number of
Apache2-related bugs reported. If anything, removing it will
cause more.


Why not leave it in there, mark it as beta/unstable and be
vocal about that in the release announcement.


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[PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[James Cox]

> Actually I personnaly don't think 'we cannot declare it stable' leads to
> 'we cannot release it'. Why just not say 'Apache 2 support is unstable,
> use it on your own risk and only if you know what you are doing'?

As you mentioned, it caused segfaults in mysql.

as Derick mentioned, we haven't done any serious QA.

as apache mentioned, it's just gone on GA, so there will probably be a
bugfix release w/in the next month of bugs complained about on the apache
lists.

we should forgoe a release that includes apache2 compliancy, and make sure
we have a release that is stable. imho.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [PHP-QA] Supporting Apache 2 with PHP 4.2.0

[Stanislav Malyshev]

JC>> > that apache 2 / PHP 4.2.0 is stable enough for production yet, and
JC>> > therefore recommend to drop the apache2filter from the release branch. "If
JC>> 
JC>> I definitely agree that we need to make sure that we do not release a
JC>> version we consider stable and have it crashing due to the apache 2 stuff.

Actually I personnaly don't think 'we cannot declare it stable' leads to 
'we cannot release it'. Why just not say 'Apache 2 support is unstable, 
use it on your own risk and only if you know what you are doing'? 

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