[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Egon Schmid]

From: "Hartmut Holzgraefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > At 10:23 AM 2/5/2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> >>
> >> > That may be trickier.  License wise, it's under a different
license
> >> (we're
> >> > not in a position to change it, New Riders, Till and Tobias
are).  I
> >> also
> >> > think it makes sense to keep it in a different module (like
the ZE/ZE2
> >> > will, even though they'll be in the php.net CVS).  The build
can
> >> probably
> >> > change to automatically include this into the manual, and it
should be
> >> > possible to note that this part is under a different OS
license.
> >>
> >> The build process already works that way, but otherwise I think
we just
> >> should ask New Riders if the licence can be changed is needed.
> >
> >
> > It should be noted that I believe it'll be better for the manual
to lose
> > the ugly license it's under and move to the openbook license,
than the
> > other way around.  But I've already done my share of license
wars in my
> > life - if you want to talk to New Riders, go ahead.
>
> agreement has been reached a long time ago that the GPL is not the
> right license for documentation anyway (although maybe for
different
> reasons then what you refered to as 'ugly' ;)
>
> i hope that we be able to finaly decide on which license to switch
> to in march, and yes, the "Open Publication License" the API doc
> is now under is one of the few that had been suggested ...

What should happen in March? I have heard of a PHPDOC meeting early
March at or near Stuttgart in Germany. Why doesn´t appear some more
information on this mailing list or is it a conspiratorial meeting?

-Egon


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Hartmut Holzgraefe]

Zeev Suraski wrote:
> At 10:23 AM 2/5/2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>>
>> > That may be trickier.  License wise, it's under a different license 
>> (we're
>> > not in a position to change it, New Riders, Till and Tobias are).  I 
>> also
>> > think it makes sense to keep it in a different module (like the ZE/ZE2
>> > will, even though they'll be in the php.net CVS).  The build can 
>> probably
>> > change to automatically include this into the manual, and it should be
>> > possible to note that this part is under a different OS license.
>>
>> The build process already works that way, but otherwise I think we just
>> should ask New Riders if the licence can be changed is needed.
> 
> 
> It should be noted that I believe it'll be better for the manual to lose 
> the ugly license it's under and move to the openbook license, than the 
> other way around.  But I've already done my share of license wars in my 
> life - if you want to talk to New Riders, go ahead.

agreement has been reached a long time ago that the GPL is not the
right license for documentation anyway (although maybe for different
reasons then what you refered to as 'ugly' ;)

i hope that we be able to finaly decide on which license to switch
to in march, and yes, the "Open Publication License" the API doc
is now under is one of the few that had been suggested ...

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[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Gabor Hojtsy]

> At 10:32 AM 2/5/2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >Under which ugly licence is it now? =) I'm all for make sure these are
> >compatible, so that the two repositories caan be merged.
> 
> GPL, I believe?

It's GPL. We also have a LICENSE file in the root of the phpdoc
repository to make this clear for everybody. There were
discussions about switching to another - documentation
oriented - license, but we never came to a decision. So it
is just a TODO item now... :((

We also had the same problems with intergrating some parts
of Zak's book to the manual... So we dropped the idea of
integrating the nice ready parts...

Goba



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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Zeev Suraski]

At 10:32 AM 2/5/2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
>Under which ugly licence is it now? =) I'm all for make sure these are
>compatible, so that the two repositories caan be merged.

GPL, I believe?

Zeev


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Derick Rethans]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:

> At 10:23 AM 2/5/2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> >
> > > That may be trickier.  License wise, it's under a different license (we're
> > > not in a position to change it, New Riders, Till and Tobias are).  I also
> > > think it makes sense to keep it in a different module (like the ZE/ZE2
> > > will, even though they'll be in the php.net CVS).  The build can probably
> > > change to automatically include this into the manual, and it should be
> > > possible to note that this part is under a different OS license.
> >
> >The build process already works that way, but otherwise I think we just
> >should ask New Riders if the licence can be changed is needed.
>
> It should be noted that I believe it'll be better for the manual to lose
> the ugly license it's under and move to the openbook license, than the
> other way around.  But I've already done my share of license wars in my
> life - if you want to talk to New Riders, go ahead.

Under which ugly licence is it now? =) I'm all for make sure these are
compatible, so that the two repositories caan be merged.

Derick


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Zak Greant]

Zeev wrote:
...
> It should be noted that I believe it'll be better for the manual to lose 
> the ugly license it's under and move to the openbook license, than the 
> other way around.  But I've already done my share of license wars in my 
> life - if you want to talk to New Riders, go ahead.

  I will talk to Stephanie Wall at New Riders about this.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Zeev Suraski]

At 10:23 AM 2/5/2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > That may be trickier.  License wise, it's under a different license (we're
> > not in a position to change it, New Riders, Till and Tobias are).  I also
> > think it makes sense to keep it in a different module (like the ZE/ZE2
> > will, even though they'll be in the php.net CVS).  The build can probably
> > change to automatically include this into the manual, and it should be
> > possible to note that this part is under a different OS license.
>
>The build process already works that way, but otherwise I think we just
>should ask New Riders if the licence can be changed is needed.

It should be noted that I believe it'll be better for the manual to lose 
the ugly license it's under and move to the openbook license, than the 
other way around.  But I've already done my share of license wars in my 
life - if you want to talk to New Riders, go ahead.

Zeev


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Derick Rethans]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:

> That may be trickier.  License wise, it's under a different license (we're
> not in a position to change it, New Riders, Till and Tobias are).  I also
> think it makes sense to keep it in a different module (like the ZE/ZE2
> will, even though they'll be in the php.net CVS).  The build can probably
> change to automatically include this into the manual, and it should be
> possible to note that this part is under a different OS license.

The build process already works that way, but otherwise I think we just
should ask New Riders if the licence can be changed is needed.

Derick

>
> I personally don't see the real necessity in doing this, by the way, but I
> don't really mind.
>
> Zeev
>
> At 04:05 AM 2/5/2002, Jani Taskinen wrote:
>
> >And the documentation..engine-api-doc or what it is again.
> >That should be in the manual too, IMO.
> >
> >--Jani
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
> >
> > >Great news :)
> > >
> > >Just a reminder. Please don't forget about TSRM.
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Zeev Suraski]

That may be trickier.  License wise, it's under a different license (we're 
not in a position to change it, New Riders, Till and Tobias are).  I also 
think it makes sense to keep it in a different module (like the ZE/ZE2 
will, even though they'll be in the php.net CVS).  The build can probably 
change to automatically include this into the manual, and it should be 
possible to note that this part is under a different OS license.

I personally don't see the real necessity in doing this, by the way, but I 
don't really mind.

Zeev

At 04:05 AM 2/5/2002, Jani Taskinen wrote:

>And the documentation..engine-api-doc or what it is again.
>That should be in the manual too, IMO.
>
>--Jani
>
>
>On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
>
> >Great news :)
> >
> >Just a reminder. Please don't forget about TSRM.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Yasuo Ohgaki]

Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Jani Taskinen wrote:
> 
>>And the documentation..engine-api-doc or what it is again.
>>That should be in the manual too, IMO.
>>
> 
>   Isn't it already there? http://www.php.net/manual/en/zend.php.
> 

Where is the CVS repository?
cvs.php.net? I don't see repository via web interface

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Sebastian Bergmann]

Jani Taskinen wrote:
> And the documentation..engine-api-doc or what it is again.
> That should be in the manual too, IMO.

  Isn't it already there? http://www.php.net/manual/en/zend.php.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: ZE repositories

[Jani Taskinen]

And the documentation..engine-api-doc or what it is again.
That should be in the manual too, IMO.

--Jani


On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:

>Great news :)
>
>Just a reminder. Please don't forget about TSRM.
>
>


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