RE: [PHP] Re: May i?
Hi. I used to wonder that myself too. Now (after lots of auto_increment fields I've done) I know that a sequential order is just pretty but useless 'cause MySQL won't give you a maximum fields allowed. The solution is pretty easy. Just make an SQL query like this: SQL ALTER TABLE table_name AUTO_INCREMENT = 1; And that's it... it will restore the counting back to where it was left. HTH, C. -Original Message- From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel:: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: May i? well... yes, then maybe i made a mistake there was data related to the id . then i delete that row and the data that was related to the comments are gone away, because the row id has changedso i would have to put then manually again Flavio Bastos Amiel Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000c01c23b50$050fcfe0$1113fe17@dominanta">news:000c01c23b50$050fcfe0$1113fe17@dominanta... Why do you need it anyway? auto_increment is a mySQL functionality to (listen this carefully) KEEP UNICITY WITHIN A TABLE. This is what they are needed for. I agree - it would look prettier having them even sequential, but that is behind the real point and it is not a problem. You should make your application independent from id value - id should only serve you as a key to relate the data within application/database. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel:: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] Re: May i? let's see if i can do it... i got a news site. everything was going OKsometimes i made few testing and then i delete the content from the db... the problem is next: the item id is an auto_increment element .. so the id's wasn't going allrightbecause they where not true... sometimes they make jumps like id #25 and the id #30 (because of the testing i've done and then delete) i tried to delete that cell (id) and then i recreate it. thinking the id was going to count it all over and make the item id TRUE.but it wasn't like that, the new id was counting since the last id then if the last id was 100, the new id was counting from 100 to 200 do i explain myself?... does anyone have an answer to this problem (PLEASE Dont tell me i have to do i manually!! ) thanks, Flavio Bastos Amiel George Nicolae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... ask. -- Best regards, George Nicolae IT Manager ___ PaginiWeb.com - Professional Web Design www.PaginiWeb.com ::: Flavio Bastos Amiel:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... May i ask for help about a subejct on MySQL here? thanks, Flavio Bastos Amiel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Vote to ban Acer
Ok, I'm not a professional PHP developer, I'm just a plain student that loves PHP, I don't have the money to spend on Encoders and high end IDEs or whatever is out there, I just love the fact that I have a near unlimited supply of software out there which free to use, comes with source, and allows me to do what I want with it. I also love the fact that there are such forums that allow me to ask questions, in more recent times be able to answer other peoples questions, I don't have to pay 50p/minute on a silly tech support line, I just email and I get a response a few hours later. But I am very disappointed by the fact that a flame war is going on in this list. Respect the people that have made PHP, the people that have allowed many people to become PHP Developers and Professionals and earn a living. And hell if you don't want to earn a living then make silly little PHP sites as well that's cool, because Ramus (and the others that have helped) have gave me many hours of enjoyment in learning PHP and playing with all the cool things it can do. If I ever meet Ramus or any other core php programmers I would be sure to go up to them and tell them how amazing they are and even buy them a pint... So Acer please stop abusing these people, who cares if Zend charge lots of money there are open source alternatives, if they are not as good as you want then it looks like Zend have the monopoly and there is nothing you can do about it. Oh yes there is you could write your own under the GPL! I'm pretty sure there are no rules against b1tching on the lists or even flaming others, but I think many people are just shocked at Acer's views on the community and frankly I don't want to hear them anymore... so just before I set outlook to block his mails would the mods of this be able to remove him and stop him flaming our gods.. Thanks Andrew
RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about this idiotic spamming subject. It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open source. Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse, at home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of MS Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows you bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice. I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for everybody to find the right place to ask for help. So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas about how the silicon world should work and start making your own ones. You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that was your own decision. Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul. -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in again so why don't you give it up. BTW did i mention the core php group are a click? i'm sure all of them are busily emailing each other saying oh what a jerk, we are doing a great job, don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best! keep up the good work! -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC. You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list. Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP. This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is not our problem. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding if you can't debate the issues then get out. -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, Give it up. We are tired of you. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM To: Justin French; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. you guys need to get your story right. -Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The people for Zend have to eat to live. And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD $3,000 to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable for most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source? How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just remember, Zend gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you wish. My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, it'll be my recommendation without hesitation. Justin French -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Vote to ban Acer
On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:52:09AM +0100, Andrew Brampton wrote: so just before I set outlook to block his mails would the mods of this be able to remove him and stop him flaming our gods.. Just set a filter to delete his mail. Banning him is not a good idea. The best thing you can do is just ignore trolls like him. -- Jason Stechschulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ypisco.com -- Campus sidewalks never exist as the straightest line between two points. -- M. M. Johnston -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
the truth hurts sometimes. this was dropped a long time ago but you people keep bringing it up and giving your 2 cents. thanks cesar, you can read my mind. -Original Message- From: César Aracena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about this idiotic spamming subject. It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open source. Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse, at home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of MS Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows you bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice. I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for everybody to find the right place to ask for help. So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas about how the silicon world should work and start making your own ones. You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that was your own decision. Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul. -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in again so why don't you give it up. BTW did i mention the core php group are a click? i'm sure all of them are busily emailing each other saying oh what a jerk, we are doing a great job, don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best! keep up the good work! -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC. You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list. Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP. This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is not our problem. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding if you can't debate the issues then get out. -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, Give it up. We are tired of you. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM To: Justin French; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. you guys need to get your story right. -Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The people for Zend have to eat to live. And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD $3,000 to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable for most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source? How much money do you make a week writing PHP scripts? Just remember, Zend gave you PHP, for free, to use in almost any commercial way you wish. My clients cant afford Zend, but when the right client comes along, it'll be my recommendation without hesitation. Justin French -- PHP General Mailing List
RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
It hurts no one. Believe me. Do what. Download PHP package and put it on sale. We'll let you do that by our license. Actually, yeah, here I go - YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. 600 people worked hard on PHP for over several years and thousands of servers do us the real-life test. Just sell it. Will we get hurt? Ufff whata pain Maxim Maletsky -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:06 AM To: César Aracena; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding the truth hurts sometimes. this was dropped a long time ago but you people keep bringing it up and giving your 2 cents. thanks cesar, you can read my mind. -Original Message- From: César Aracena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about this idiotic spamming subject. It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open source. Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse, at home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of MS Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows you bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice. I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for everybody to find the right place to ask for help. So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas about how the silicon world should work and start making your own ones. You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that was your own decision. Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul. -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding i did drop it and then a whole bunch of you late comers piled in again so why don't you give it up. BTW did i mention the core php group are a click? i'm sure all of them are busily emailing each other saying oh what a jerk, we are doing a great job, don't listen to that guy, you guys are the best! keep up the good work! -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC. You are insisting on your ideas on this mailing list. We DO disagree with you, yet, we PREFER to drop this thread off THIS list. Please start looking for a right place and right people and tell them what you think about Zend, PHP, ASP and JSP. This mailing list discusses general php problems. Zend's pricing is not our problem. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding if you can't debate the issues then get out. -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, Give it up. We are tired of you. Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:40 AM To: Justin French; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. you guys need to get your story right. -Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
this all started when rasmus had a problem with the click in my original post and i think i proved that if you are a member of the php development you better not stray from what the php gods think or else you will get hanged in public or even banned or ignored. then i suggested that zend isn't really doing much to develop an encoder or accelerator since one guy has been able to do the same thing and rasmus is like of course not silly if microsoft sold their products for what they cost it would be $0.02. so fine zend is ripping people off, what's the point? well it has been damaging to php is my point. no one knows what php is and no one will pay you to do php. why blame zend on this? no matter what rasmus says that 600 people have access to the cvs, php is zend and zend is php. after that is when all the little minions started acting tough so that the cool kids would like them better. here's the original post that i made, maybe people should reread it: --- There is a free php accelerator so I don't know why you would pay for one. www.php-accelerator.co.uk The same guy (Nick) has also just made an encoder. It is in beta testing right now and there's no windows version yet but that should be coming soon. I think it's like $0.50 to encode your program which is much more affordable. http://www.php-encoder.com I think the problem with zend is that they have put up the guise that php is an opensource project but to actually use it in production you had to pay several thousands every year for the accelerator and the encoder. It kinda feels like a bait and switch to me which is why I personally think zend is bad for php. Just do a search for jobs for asp, cf or jsp. There are a ton of jobs for these languages and you would be lucky to find one for a php developer. So zend rakes in the money and does no real marketing with that money for php is the way I see it. You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight click so it's business as usual. Now that Nick has released the free accelerator and an inexpensive ($0.50 per shot) encoder it might change but I don't know if it's too late. -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 1:26 AM To: 'Acer'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding It hurts no one. Believe me. Do what. Download PHP package and put it on sale. We'll let you do that by our license. Actually, yeah, here I go - YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. 600 people worked hard on PHP for over several years and thousands of servers do us the real-life test. Just sell it. Will we get hurt? Ufff whata pain Maxim Maletsky -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:06 AM To: César Aracena; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding the truth hurts sometimes. this was dropped a long time ago but you people keep bringing it up and giving your 2 cents. thanks cesar, you can read my mind. -Original Message- From: César Aracena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 12:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about this idiotic spamming subject. It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you could have done by yourself which, by the way, is the beauty of open source. Now, to cut the crap here, which OS do you use at work or even worse, at home? Have you ever bought a computer that comes with any version of MS Windows preinstalled? If you think that buying any kind commercial product while having the chance to get the same benefits from an open source piece is the right way to go, then do it. If not, just unsubscribe yourself from Zend's newsletter and don't ever visit their home site. By the way, how much did you pay for the last MS Windows you bought? Or do you use copies? Uhmmm... that's not nice. I have more than 10.000 e-mails stored in my PHP-General folder which are all (or most of them) dedicated to help solving PHP issues for us newcomers (by the way, thanks to all). Ok, so maybe some of them are about other things such MySQL or HTML, but hey... it's not easy for everybody to find the right place to ask for help. So, to keep it short, please stop messing with other people's ideas about how the silicon world should work and start making your own ones. You sound like a very smart person. It's really a shame that not a single person from this list will ever give you a job but hey... that was your own decision. Good luck in your life you poor, poor soul. -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re:
RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Acer, Did you ever consider the fact that ASP, JSP and CF jobs are advertised more because their developers actually advertise? When was the last time you saw a commerical on TV for PHP? And yet, due to PHP's extensive development and interoperability, it is one of the highest installed packages on web servers? PHB's see the word 'FREE' and think 'bd' (obvious sheep reference) because that is what the Gates' and Ellison's have taught them to believe. Companies like MS and Oracle advertise during the Super Bowl and purchase news sites to tell you what they think you should know. Do they make a superior product because they advertise? Or just one that has a prettier ribbon on it? Blaming the PHP developers (commercial and otherwise) because you cannot get a job as a PHP developer is like blaming Schwinn because you can't get a job as a bike messenger. .m Quoting Acer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Okay fine whatever. Let's just continue sticking our heads in the sand and pretend php developers isn't last on the list of jobs available compared to asp, jsp and cf developers. That topic isn't important so back to normal and I'll ask a php question. What's the difference between = and ==? I'm too lazy to read the manual. -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 3, 2002 7:42 PM To: 'Acer'; 'Rasmus Lerdorf' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Acer, what the fk are you mumbling about? (sorry for mine to you introduction) 600 people at PHP Dev Group (and I am one of them too) create and document PHP Programming Language for free, because they like it this way. You, get your boss's money, buy a Zend's encoder, make a script that, perhaps, has an equivalent freely available on sourseforge.net, encode it and stick a it price to then sell the cat in a lot to those paranoids who do not trust open source projects like your own boss does. The paranoids then make services we all here pay, and on our spare time - we keep developing the free code for you (always, because we like it this way). What are you trying to prove by being devil's lawyer here? We all know how e-business works, most of us are actually on managing positions if not job consultants. So, Acer, from now on - ask a php-general question or answer one. Deal? Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky PHP Beginner www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:01 AM To: Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Okay so you support zend but hate encoders. Doesn't zend make an encoder? To me an encoder is used to sell your product. It doesn't mean people still won't release their code to add to the public knowledge. If you didn't release your code rasmus then those 600 people won't have made php what it is now so you can't have it both ways. -Original Message- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 3, 2002 2:06 PM To: Acer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering php-general questions. My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a license. People who choose to violate that license are the same people who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the honest customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn from, build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I personally refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I had never released the source for PHP? We would not be having this discussion today. I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you have it. -Rasmus On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote: I made that statement because this subject has been brought up several times and nothing has been said from the php gods. I mean out of this whole thread, your only comment is That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this list in a very long time. -Original Message- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM To: Acer Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight click so it's business as usual. That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this list in a very long time.
