[PHP] Re: [RCD] [RCU] I try to implement the change password plugin { cross post volontary of rondcube list }

[fakessh]

hello boys and girls
hello all users of this list
hello guru of php
hello much many people

here is my previous discution

Hi there,
You don't really need to write any line in C to change the password the
PAM way:

http://svn.php.net/viewvc/pecl/pam/trunk/README?view=markup

This is a PECL module, so installation is easy: pecl install pam

See you!!
emi

2010/4/20 fakessh :

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:09:07 +0200, "A.L.E.C"  wrote:

fakessh wrote:

I try to implement the change password plugin I just watched
http://trac.roundcube.net/browser/trunk/plugins/password it does not seem
to have an option to change password when using 

dovecot

I do not use sql or ldap. I use pam to store my password
through the authentication to postfix and dovecot: my passwords are login
or plain text if so, can you enlighten me how to use the change password
plugin 

I don't know if there is a plugin or driver for PAM passwords
change. You need a command line tool for changing passwords e.g. chpasswd
and use it in PHP. For example see 'sasl' driver from 'password' plugin.
Programmers can take a look at http://www.unicom.com/sw/web-chpass. Also 

virtualmin (which we support in virtualmin driver) probably is
working with PAM. 

thank you A.L.E.C thanks you all users I just look at the code
http://trac.roundcube.net/browser/trunk/plugins/password/drivers/sasl.php
to integrate easily into roundcube it is simply necessary to modify the
code web-chpass and the executable c nipasswd then plugin with a part in c
I'm afraid of writing this piece of c, I just perl the c is entirely taken
from http://www.unicom.com/sw/web-chpass I am afraid to make mistakes in
writing c them what someone feels able to write this plugin derives from
nipasswd ___ List info:
http://lists.roundcube.net/dev/ 


i just perl and c
I do not know php
I want a little help to understand and run the documentation
I correctly installed pecl install pam

I have the following API

1   API
2   
3   bool pam_auth(string $username, string $password [, string &$error [
$checkacctmgmt = true ] ])
4   bool pam_chpass(string $username, string $oldpassword, string
$newpassword [, string &$error ])
5   
6   The parameters are
7   
8   username - Username to check
9   password - User supplied password
10  error - Output parameter to put any error messages in
11  checkacctmgmt - Call pam_acct_mgmt() to check account expiration and
access hours (requires root access!)
12  oldpassword - Current password on account
13  newpassword - Password to change to 



can you give me a simple example using this API

bool   pam_auth(string $username,string $password 
[, string &$error  [ $checkacctmgmt = true ] ])
^  ^^ ^   
 ^  ^
what it 's what it 's   what it 'swhat it 's  
what it 's what it 's


bool   pam_chpass(string $username,string
$oldpassword, string $newpassword [, string &$error ])
^  ^^   ^ 
^   ^
what it 's what it 's   what it 's  what it 's
what it 's  what it 's



can you give me a simple example of how these functions
A simple example would allow me to easily write the plugin for
roundcubemail


thanks for your advice
thanks for all return


aka /fakessh/


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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[Dan Joseph]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM, David McGlone  wrote:

>
> Are we gonna have to have a discussion on the use of "threading"? LOL
>
>
>
We just might.  Personally, I use it to sow holes in the toe of my socks.

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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 20:12 -0400, Dan Joseph wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, David McGlone  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 18:21 -0400, Brandon Rampersad wrote:
> > > What's wrong with asking if PHP supports threading?
> >
> > Nothing really, I was just kidding.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> lol..  I didn't see your email where you said not to ask
> 

Are we gonna have to have a discussion on the use of "threading"? LOL


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RE: [PHP] CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (Not PHP)

[Tommy Pham]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Joseph [mailto:dmjos...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:19 AM
> To: PHP
> Subject: Re: [PHP] CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (Not PHP)
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:16 PM, tedd  wrote:
> 
> > I'm no expert on media, but the only difference between CD, DVD, Blu-
> Ray is
> > the amount of data they can hold, right? IOW, you can still record
> video,
> > audio, pictures, files, all digital data on all media - it's just
> that
> > Blu-Ray can hold more than DVD and DVD holds more than CD, isn't that
> right?
> >
> >
> Speaking purely data, yessir.  That's your difference.
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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[Dan Joseph]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, David McGlone  wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 18:21 -0400, Brandon Rampersad wrote:
> > What's wrong with asking if PHP supports threading?
>
> Nothing really, I was just kidding.
>
>
>
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>
lol..  I didn't see your email where you said not to ask

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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 18:21 -0400, Brandon Rampersad wrote:
> What's wrong with asking if PHP supports threading?

Nothing really, I was just kidding.



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RE: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[Tommy Pham]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Joseph [mailto:dmjos...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:49 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brandon Rampersad
>  > wrote:
> 
> > What's wrong with asking if PHP supports threading?
> >
> >
> Nothing?  PHP itself does not.  You can check out fork though.  I've
> never
> personally used it with PHP, but I did for a Perl project years ago.  I
> guess it worked ok.
> 
> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.pcntl-fork.php
> 
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Keep in mind that's only applicable on Linux & Unix OSes, including Mac/Apple 
since Apple OS is based on BSD and other Unix implementations.


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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[Dan Joseph]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brandon Rampersad  wrote:

> What's wrong with asking if PHP supports threading?
>
>
Nothing?  PHP itself does not.  You can check out fork though.  I've never
personally used it with PHP, but I did for a Perl project years ago.  I
guess it worked ok.

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.pcntl-fork.php

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Re: [PHP] Re: Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]

[Dan Joseph]

My goodness, are you people still going on about all this?  LOL... let it
go... it is what it is.

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RE: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Alice Wei]

> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:31:04 +0100
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> From: k...@linux.ie
> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> CC: peter.e.l...@gmail.com; a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; 
> php-general@lists.php.net
> 
> you have to install the net_smtp package, simply with this command:
> $ pear install net_smtp-1.4.2  (which will explicitly install version
> 1.4.2 of Net_SMTP)
> 
> If that doesn't work. for whatever reason, you could download the
> package manually from http://pear.php.net/package/Net_SMTP/download
> and install it by hand; though for reasons I've outlined in a previous
> post to this list I'd suggest you use the pear installer.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Alice Wei  wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:01:03 +0200
> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> >> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> >> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
> >>
> >> On 21 April 2010 21:58, Alice Wei  wrote:
> >> >> From: peter.e.l...@gmail.com
> >> >> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:51:31 +0200
> >> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> >> >> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> >> >> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
> >> >>
> >> >> On 21 April 2010 18:44, Alice Wei  wrote:
> >> >> > I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about 
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed 
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > do
> >> >> > something as described here:
> >> >> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I 
> >> >> > wrong?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Read the PEAR documentation:
> >> >> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail.factory.php
> >> >> You can use other backends than just 'mail' - try using the smtp and
> >> >> fill in your smtp settings as needed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Peter
> >> >>
> >> > I saw something like that on
> >> > http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/PHP_Email_SMTP_Authentication.htm,
> >> > and this is probably what you are talking about?
> >> >
> >> >  $smtp = Mail::factory('smtp',
> >> >array ('host' => $host,
> >> >  'auth' => true,
> >> >  'username' => $username,
> >> >  'password' => $password));
> >> >
> >> > Do I still need to install a mail server? I have Evolution Mail on my 
> >> > Linux
> >> > box, and looks like that is a client and not a server.
> >> > Or, can I use any of the mail smtp setup, like Google? Or, do use some
> >> > authentication information from
> >> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf, since I use
> >> > U-Verse at home?
> >>
> >> Yes, the example you provide is the right direction - you can put in
> >> the smtp details you use to connect from Evolution to GMail, you don't
> >> need to setup a separate smtp server on your system.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Peter
> >>
> >
> > Well, hold it. I have edited my code to hold the information as we have 
> > discussed earlier, and this is the error I have now:
> >
> > Warning:  include_once(Net/SMTP.php) [function.include-once]: failed to 
> > open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on 
> > line 348
> >
> >
> >
> > Warning:  include_once() [function.include]: Failed opening 'Net/SMTP.php' 
> > for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php') in 
> > /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on line 348
> >
> >
> >
> > Fatal error:  Class 'Net_SMTP' not found in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on 
> > line 349
> >
> > I am not sure what this means. If I have installed pear correctly, what 
> > else do I have to do here? I can see that I have some "significant" error 
> > messages than not getting anything at all.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Alice
> >
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As the time of writing this, I have installed the missing Net_SMTP pear package 
unto my Linux box. I have just tested it, and I have received two email 
messages to the desired mailbox, without having to install a mail server. 
Thanks for your help.

I really appreciate this. 

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Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Ken Guest]

you have to install the net_smtp package, simply with this command:
$ pear install net_smtp-1.4.2  (which will explicitly install version
1.4.2 of Net_SMTP)

If that doesn't work. for whatever reason, you could download the
package manually from http://pear.php.net/package/Net_SMTP/download
and install it by hand; though for reasons I've outlined in a previous
post to this list I'd suggest you use the pear installer.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Alice Wei  wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:01:03 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
>> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
>> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
>>
>> On 21 April 2010 21:58, Alice Wei  wrote:
>> >> From: peter.e.l...@gmail.com
>> >> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:51:31 +0200
>> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
>> >> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
>> >> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
>> >>
>> >> On 21 April 2010 18:44, Alice Wei  wrote:
>> >> > I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about my
>> >> > php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed to
>> >> > do
>> >> > something as described here:
>> >> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I wrong?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Read the PEAR documentation:
>> >> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail.factory.php
>> >> You can use other backends than just 'mail' - try using the smtp and
>> >> fill in your smtp settings as needed.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> > I saw something like that on
>> > http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/PHP_Email_SMTP_Authentication.htm,
>> > and this is probably what you are talking about?
>> >
>> >  $smtp = Mail::factory('smtp',
>> >    array ('host' => $host,
>> >      'auth' => true,
>> >      'username' => $username,
>> >      'password' => $password));
>> >
>> > Do I still need to install a mail server? I have Evolution Mail on my Linux
>> > box, and looks like that is a client and not a server.
>> > Or, can I use any of the mail smtp setup, like Google? Or, do use some
>> > authentication information from
>> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf, since I use
>> > U-Verse at home?
>>
>> Yes, the example you provide is the right direction - you can put in
>> the smtp details you use to connect from Evolution to GMail, you don't
>> need to setup a separate smtp server on your system.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter
>>
>
> Well, hold it. I have edited my code to hold the information as we have 
> discussed earlier, and this is the error I have now:
>
> Warning:  include_once(Net/SMTP.php) [function.include-once]: failed to open 
> stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on line 348
>
>
>
> Warning:  include_once() [function.include]: Failed opening 'Net/SMTP.php' 
> for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php') in 
> /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on line 348
>
>
>
> Fatal error:  Class 'Net_SMTP' not found in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on 
> line 349
>
> I am not sure what this means. If I have installed pear correctly, what else 
> do I have to do here? I can see that I have some "significant" error messages 
> than not getting anything at all.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Alice
>
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RE: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Alice Wei]

> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:01:03 +0200
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
> 
> On 21 April 2010 21:58, Alice Wei  wrote:
> >> From: peter.e.l...@gmail.com
> >> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:51:31 +0200
> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> >> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> >> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
> >>
> >> On 21 April 2010 18:44, Alice Wei  wrote:
> >> > I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about my
> >> > php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed to
> >> > do
> >> > something as described here:
> >> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I wrong?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Read the PEAR documentation:
> >> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail.factory.php
> >> You can use other backends than just 'mail' - try using the smtp and
> >> fill in your smtp settings as needed.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Peter
> >>
> > I saw something like that on
> > http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/PHP_Email_SMTP_Authentication.htm,
> > and this is probably what you are talking about?
> >
> >  $smtp = Mail::factory('smtp',
> >array ('host' => $host,
> >  'auth' => true,
> >  'username' => $username,
> >  'password' => $password));
> >
> > Do I still need to install a mail server? I have Evolution Mail on my Linux
> > box, and looks like that is a client and not a server.
> > Or, can I use any of the mail smtp setup, like Google? Or, do use some
> > authentication information from
> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf, since I use
> > U-Verse at home?
> 
> Yes, the example you provide is the right direction - you can put in
> the smtp details you use to connect from Evolution to GMail, you don't
> need to setup a separate smtp server on your system.
> 
> Regards
> Peter
> 

Well, hold it. I have edited my code to hold the information as we have 
discussed earlier, and this is the error I have now:

Warning:  include_once(Net/SMTP.php) [function.include-once]: failed to open 
stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on line 348



Warning:  include_once() [function.include]: Failed opening 'Net/SMTP.php' for 
inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php') in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on 
line 348



Fatal error:  Class 'Net_SMTP' not found in /usr/share/php/Mail/smtp.php on 
line 349

I am not sure what this means. If I have installed pear correctly, what else do 
I have to do here? I can see that I have some "significant" error messages than 
not getting anything at all. 

Thanks for your help.

Alice
  
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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[Brandon Rampersad]

What's wrong with asking if PHP supports threading?

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Michiel Sikma wrote:

> On 21 April 2010 18:02, tedd  wrote:
>
> >
> > Welcome Nick.
> >
> > Do you own a bank?  :-)
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > tedd
> >
> >
> C'mon, this is the PHP list, not COBOL :)
>
> But yes, welcome to the list. Frequenting a list is one of the best things
> you can do when learning a language. Don't be afraid to ask should anything
> confuse you.
>
> Michiel
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Re: [PHP] Re: Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]

[Daniel Egeberg]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 22:56, Williams, Dewey  wrote:
>> Oh, I have checked my mailinglist subsribtions and only 11  of  113
>> are using this stupid Reply-To:  stuff...  But as I already mentioned,
>> those lists have manly Windows-Noobs which do not know better...
>> speak,  they can not use there brain and let Microsoft and Co thinking
>> for them..
>>
>> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
>>     Michelle Konzack
>>     Systemadministrator
>  [Dewey Williams]
>
> No need to get nasty.  Some people MUST use Windows and OUTLOOK! (which
> does not have reply to list) where they work.

And some people choose Windows of their own free will. Linux is not
for everyone, and anyone who is bigoted enough to think so need to get
over themselves. Trying to impose one's choice of operating system (or
anything else for that matter) onto someone else is plain ridiculous.

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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[Michiel Sikma]

On 21 April 2010 18:02, tedd  wrote:

>
> Welcome Nick.
>
> Do you own a bank?  :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
>
C'mon, this is the PHP list, not COBOL :)

But yes, welcome to the list. Frequenting a list is one of the best things
you can do when learning a language. Don't be afraid to ask should anything
confuse you.

Michiel

RE: [PHP] Re: Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]

[Williams, Dewey]

> Oh, I have checked my mailinglist subsribtions and only 11  of  113
> are using this stupid Reply-To:  stuff...  But as I already mentioned,
> those lists have manly Windows-Noobs which do not know better...
> speak,  they can not use there brain and let Microsoft and Co thinking
> for them..
> 
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
 [Dewey Williams] 

No need to get nasty.  Some people MUST use Windows and OUTLOOK! (which
does not have reply to list) where they work.

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Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]

[Karl DeSaulniers]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jay Blanchard wrote:


Then write an interface (using PHP of course) that
only responds to the list when you generate a reply.


LOL
WT??

WHY would we want to do that? Much unnecessary work when an admin  
could set a reply-to and all would be solved.
With all due respect, if I was going to go through all that trouble  
just so I could hit reply instead of reply-all or reply-list or reply- 
group,
I would write an email list program that discussed PHP (in PHP) and I  
would set the reply-to to go to my list email.

:)

Not to mention, the admin can set all of them to go to the list email.

reply-to
reply-list
reply-group

They just have to set the headers to point there. Much easier than  
what was suggested.


That aside, I think David was just wondering why it was set up that  
way in the first part.
More a question for a admin, then the list, but it is on the list  
none the less.

I would have sent that one to the Admin directly.

It is curious though, why the admin of the PHP lists depend on  
special case scenarios such as reply-list or reply-group.
To me, thats kind of like saying you can only click buttons on our  
website if you use Internet Explorer.

Everyone else has to view the source and copy the urls to navigate.

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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Karl DeSaulniers]

lol
Yeah, not your fault Gary.

On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Gary wrote:

I'm sorry, it looks like I sent a reply direct to you instead of  
the board,

a mistake on my part.


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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

Yea...not my day for technological domination.


Gary


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On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:56 -0400, Gary wrote:

Richard

I'm sorry, it looks like I sent a reply direct to you instead of the 
board,

a mistake on my part.  Here is the message.


LOL Must have hit the wrong reply button.

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Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 20:38 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello David McGlone,
> 
> Am 2010-04-21 09:37:48, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> > Yes. but if it was so harmful, why does the 40, 50 or so lists that I've
> > been on, simply let you hit the reply and it goes back to the list?
> 
> Can you tell me which list these are?  I assume that on  most  of  those
> lists are handicaped Windows-Users which can not do better du  to  there
> cuted down ad restricting software which does not allow Users-Freedom...

To name a few:

Linux 4 Christians
Christian Source Free Open Source LUG (CS-FSLUG)
KDE *
Gnome *
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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:56 -0400, Gary wrote:
> Richard
> 
> I'm sorry, it looks like I sent a reply direct to you instead of the board, 
> a mistake on my part.  Here is the message.

LOL Must have hit the wrong reply button.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 12:13 -0400, tedd wrote:
> At 8:27 AM -0400 4/21/10, David McGlone wrote:
> >I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> >pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> >the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> >are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.
> >
> >It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it
> >hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through
> >hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if
> >replying sends the reply to the OP.
> >
> >Every message sent to this list, simply hitting reply should send back
> >to this list and not the OP.
> >--
> >Blessings,
> >David M.
> 
> David:
> 
> Whenever I want to reply to the OP privately, I use their email address.
> 
> Whenever I want to reply to all, I use "PHP "
> 
> I do NOT (usually) use any quick "Reply" or "Reply to All" options in 
> my email program that sends stuff to everyone. Instead I think about 
> what I am sending and consider if anyone wants to receive my email. 
> Sure it's another step, but no more troublesome than trimming my 
> email to the point or other such considerations to make my replies 
> "on topic" and more readable.
> 
> I'm sorry that you feel that doing so is *so tedious* that you are 
> going to "give up", but consider the effort that is put forth by 
> those answering you you should reconsider how much effort you are 
> willing spend to make this list work. Sometimes things cannot be as 
> simple as "Click".

Hi Ted, thanks for the words of encouragement. The thread got a little
big pretty quick so you may have missed a previous post from me. here it
is:

"I'm the type of person that figures out how and why and then weighs my
options. Figuring out how to reply properly to this list was the first
step, now the next step is figuring out if I can deal with it or not.

I've decided to stay for a couple reasons, for one, everybody on this
list didn't once get mean or hateful during this whole discussion. That
flabbergasted me, because on a lot of lists I am on, quite a few people
on those lists would have instantly jumped down my throat. Secondly,
Everyone on this list that I have seen ask questions and give advise are
darn good programmers, so in order to be in the company of people like
this, then changing my habits shouldn't be hard.

The reason for the subject change was because I feared I was going to
start a flame war, so I was going to back down and just forget I
mentioned it."


I have learned to use the "reply to list" option. Something I never knew
existed.

Even though I prefer it the other way around, where hitting "reply" does
the job, I am willing to compromise just like many others on the
list. :-)
 
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RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:51 -0500, Jay Blanchard wrote:
> [snip]tons of stuff[/snip]
> 
> C'mon folks! You're programmers! Don't like the way your mail client
> handles the list? Then write an interface (using PHP of course) that
> only responds to the list when you generate a reply. 

I wish I was that good! :-)
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[PHP] Re: Re: replying to list (I give up)[SOLVED TO A DEGREE]

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Jay Blanchard,

Am 2010-04-21 13:51:39, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> [snip]tons of stuff[/snip]
> 
> C'mon folks! You're programmers! Don't like the way your mail client
> handles the list? Then write an interface (using PHP of course) that
> only responds to the list when you generate a reply. 

My MUA "mutt" is working PERFECTLY with the PHP and  other  mailinglists
with the same behaviour, but I have to setup special  macros  to  ignore
some stupid configured mailinglistes which insert unwanted Reply-To:.

Oh, I have checked my mailinglist subsribtions and only 11  of  113  are
using this stupid Reply-To:  stuff...  But as I already mentioned, those
lists have manly Windows-Noobs which do not know better...  speak,  they
can not use there brain and let Microsoft and Co thinking for them..

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 21:58, Alice Wei  wrote:
>> From: peter.e.l...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:51:31 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
>> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
>> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
>>
>> On 21 April 2010 18:44, Alice Wei  wrote:
>> > I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about my
>> > php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed to
>> > do
>> > something as described here:
>> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I wrong?
>> >
>>
>> Read the PEAR documentation:
>> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail.factory.php
>> You can use other backends than just 'mail' - try using the smtp and
>> fill in your smtp settings as needed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter
>>
> I saw something like that on
> http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/PHP_Email_SMTP_Authentication.htm,
> and this is probably what you are talking about?
>
>  $smtp = Mail::factory('smtp',
>    array ('host' => $host,
>  'auth' => true,
>  'username' => $username,
>  'password' => $password));
>
> Do I still need to install a mail server? I have Evolution Mail on my Linux
> box, and looks like that is a client and not a server.
> Or, can I use any of the mail smtp setup, like Google? Or, do use some
> authentication information from
> http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf, since I use
> U-Verse at home?

Yes, the example you provide is the right direction - you can put in
the smtp details you use to connect from Evolution to GMail, you don't
need to setup a separate smtp server on your system.

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RE: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Alice Wei]

> From: peter.e.l...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:51:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
> 
> On 21 April 2010 18:44, Alice Wei  wrote:
> > I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about my
> > php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed to do
> > something as described here:
> > http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I wrong?
> >
> 
> Read the PEAR documentation:
> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail.factory.php
> You can use other backends than just 'mail' - try using the smtp and
> fill in your smtp settings as needed.
> 
> Regards
> Peter
> 
I saw something like that on 
http://email.about.com/od/emailprogrammingtips/qt/PHP_Email_SMTP_Authentication.htm,
 and this is probably what you are talking about?

 $smtp = Mail::factory('smtp',
   array ('host' => $host,
 'auth' => true,
 'username' => $username,
 'password' => $password));
Do I still need to install a mail server? I have Evolution Mail on my Linux 
box, and looks like that is a client and not a server. 
Or, can I use any of the mail smtp setup, like Google? Or, do use some 
authentication information from 
http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf, since I use 
U-Verse at home? 

Thanks for your help.

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Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Bobby Pejman]

I must say, I never heard or even thought of the idea of calling it LookOut. 
Hahaha.  It made me laugh for a good 10 minutes and if that term is open 
source, I will be using it ;)

-Original Message-
From: "Bob McConnell" 
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:01:55 
To: Michelle Konzack; 

Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
From: Michelle Konzack

> Hello Peter Lind,
> 
> Am 2010-04-21 15:47:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>> And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do
>> people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical
>> solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual
>> work?
> 
> Hmmm, being a Programmer/Developer since 1982 and have ever used
decent
> tools to accomplish a task...  including the right  MUA  which
simplify
> the Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks.
> 
>> Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people
>> administering the list, the discussion might as well end now.
> 
> Why should Programmers/Developers bother with non-reliable  MUAs
which
> do not support Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks?
> 
> If YOU are a Programmer/Developer why do you bother with a
non-suitable
> MUA?

Probably because we don't have a choice. There is a legion of PHBs that
make those decisions for us, obviously without having any information
about what tools are really needed. I have to hand edit every response I
send here and to several other lists in order to add the quote markers
and move my content to the correct location. Lookout no longer offers
that option. It also lacks the reply-to-list action as well as several
others that would make life easier and simpler for everyone. I can't
replace it because it is closely bound to our Exchange servers for
scheduling and planning. So I won't have an option until after I retire,
and then I won't need this list at all. Fortunately, that is only a
couple of years away at most.

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Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 18:44, Alice Wei  wrote:
> I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about my
> php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed to do
> something as described here:
> http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
>
>
>
> I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I wrong?
>

Read the PEAR documentation:
http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail.factory.php
You can use other backends than just 'mail' - try using the smtp and
fill in your smtp settings as needed.

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Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list

[Karl DeSaulniers]

All the lists I am on, when I hit reply, the lists email comes up.
The PHP email lists are the only ones that do not for me. I end up  
(every time I send a message)
deleting the Op email and typing in the list email, or hit reply-all  
and delete all emails except the list email.

I do this as a courtesy to all the others on the list.


Karl


On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote:


Hello David McGlone,

Am 2010-04-21 06:34:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:

I use Evolution, Kmail, and occasionally lookout and all of them are
decent e-mail clients. Also, of all the mailing lists I am on,  
this is

the only one that, when replying it goes to the OP and not the list.


This is realy weird, because I know only 5 lists of 113 (where I  
am  on)

which are mangeling the Reply-To: and I can not simply reply per PM.

I'm not trying to solicit a change, I'm just wondering why this  
list has

this behavior, which in my opinion is tedious.


I have three Reply options:

R   Reply to Poster
G   Reply to Group
L   Reply to List

and there is nothing wrong with it...  It is called VERY decent MUA.

Note:  I hate peoples sending me Cc: on my Cell-Phone exspecialy
   List-Messages which I read from my private archive.

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Re: [PHP] CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (Not PHP)

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Blue-Ray and HD DVDs come with DRM (Digital Rights Management)  
software burnt in the cd.

Anti Copy software. I believe.


Karl

On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Matty Sarro wrote:

From a purely storage standpoing that's correct. The other  
difference is
that CD and DVD are industry standard formats backed by the ISO.  
BluRay is a

sony proprietary format.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Dan Joseph   
wrote:



On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:16 PM, tedd  wrote:

I'm no expert on media, but the only difference between CD, DVD,  
Blu-Ray

is
the amount of data they can hold, right? IOW, you can still  
record video,
audio, pictures, files, all digital data on all media - it's just  
that
Blu-Ray can hold more than DVD and DVD holds more than CD, isn't  
that

right?




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RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Bob McConnell]

From: Michelle Konzack

> Hello Peter Lind,
> 
> Am 2010-04-21 15:47:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>> And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do
>> people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical
>> solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual
>> work?
> 
> Hmmm, being a Programmer/Developer since 1982 and have ever used
decent
> tools to accomplish a task...  including the right  MUA  which
simplify
> the Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks.
> 
>> Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people
>> administering the list, the discussion might as well end now.
> 
> Why should Programmers/Developers bother with non-reliable  MUAs
which
> do not support Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks?
> 
> If YOU are a Programmer/Developer why do you bother with a
non-suitable
> MUA?

Probably because we don't have a choice. There is a legion of PHBs that
make those decisions for us, obviously without having any information
about what tools are really needed. I have to hand edit every response I
send here and to several other lists in order to add the quote markers
and move my content to the correct location. Lookout no longer offers
that option. It also lacks the reply-to-list action as well as several
others that would make life easier and simpler for everyone. I can't
replace it because it is closely bound to our Exchange servers for
scheduling and planning. So I won't have an option until after I retire,
and then I won't need this list at all. Fortunately, that is only a
couple of years away at most.

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Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 20:09, Michelle Konzack  wrote:
> Hello Peter Lind,

Hi Michelle

> Am 2010-04-21 15:47:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>> And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do
>> people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical
>> solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual
>> work?
>
> Hmmm, being a Programmer/Developer since 1982 and have ever used  decent
> tools to accomplish a task...  including the right  MUA  which  simplify
> the Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks.

Making it the problem of the MUA is a hack, not a solution. If you
really want to go down the "I have experience" route I'd expect you to
choose the "fix the problem at the root"-solution not the "lets hack
it by leaving the problem as is and requiring everyone to choose a
proper tool"-hack.

>> Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people
>> administering the list, the discussion might as well end now.
>
> Why should Programmers/Developers bother with non-reliable  MUAs  which
> do not support Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks?
>
> If YOU are a Programmer/Developer why do you bother with a  non-suitable
> MUA?

Please don't make assumptions about me and my tools - you have no
basis for them. Apart from that, I see no reason to call MUAs
'suitable' based on whether or not they fix a problem that should be
fixed elsewhere.
 If I'm not mistaken, we're faced with a quite simple cost/benefit
scenario: how many people want to reply just to the list when
responding and how many people want to reply just to the OP when
responding. If the first number is higher than the second, then we're
imposing extra work on people (either by asking them to manually fix
email addresses or by bullying them into changing email clients) if we
stick to the solution that fit the second group.

But it's still a moot point, as the admins of the list won't be
changing settings.

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[PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello David McGlone,

Am 2010-04-21 09:37:48, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> Yes. but if it was so harmful, why does the 40, 50 or so lists that I've
> been on, simply let you hit the reply and it goes back to the list?

Can you tell me which list these are?  I assume that on  most  of  those
lists are handicaped Windows-Users which can not do better du  to  there
cuted down ad restricting software which does not allow Users-Freedom...

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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

Ashley

If I were to create a child table, would the Type be a Bool?

Gary


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On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 11:01 -0400, Gary wrote:


Ashley

Thank you for your reply.

I was trying to get the structure of the DB into a text form, cant seem 
to

find that (phpmyadmin).

This is the insert code

';
 if ($how_many>0) {
 echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
 }
 for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
 echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
   }
  echo "";
 }
$result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Error querying database.');

if($result == true) {
   echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
   } else {
   echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
   }

mysqli_close($dbc);
?>

I hope that helps, and again thank you for your reply.

gary


"Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message
news:1271858245.20937.10.ca...@localhost...
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here 
>> is a

>> sample of  the code for it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
>> table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I 
>> found

>> in
>> searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.
>>
>>   echo 'Id NumberDate
>> EnteredCaptionWhere
>> TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
>>   while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {
>>
>> echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
>>echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
>> echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
>> echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
>> echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
>>echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
>>   if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
>>   echo '> height="100px"/>';
>>   }
>>
>> As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would 
>> show

>> up
>> in IE8, and not FF?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
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>
>
> You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
> performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to 
> see

> the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
> getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
> functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
> don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
> string literal of 'Array' as their value?
>
> As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
> those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
> from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
> happening with the image.
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>
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You're inserting the string 'Array' into the DB. The form you have is
sending an actual array, but the insert statement can only insert a
single string. The string of the array is, as you've found out, 'Array'.

Consider normalising the DB and having a keywords table with 3 fields:
id, image_id, keyword.

Then each entry in the keywords table would be a keyword, linked by
image_id. You'll also need to change your images table to include an id
by which you can reference each image individually and index by.

Lastly, be very careful of your insert statements. The way things stand,
it would be easy for someone to maliciously enter their own statements.
Use something like mysql_real_escape_string() to protect against MySQL
attacks.

Thanks,
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[PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Hans Åhlin,

Am 2010-04-21 16:12:06, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> Strange I only got one, but it ma be a mail server filter

For me it is only worse, because if someone respond to a message with ME
in the Cc:, the Cc'ed message arrive first and will be trashed because I
have setup a filter which does

# Prevent duplicated messages
:0Whc
|formail -D 8000 .msg_id_cache
:0a
/dev/null

# Kill unwanted CC messages on my cell-phone
:0
* to_linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net
* ^List-Id:.*php-.*\.lists\.php\.net
/dev/null

:0
* ^List-Post:.*mailto:php-[-a-zA-Z0-9]+@
* ^List-Post:.*mailto:php-\/[-a-zA-Z0-9]+
.ML_php.${MATCH}/



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[PHP] Re: Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

As an addition to the issue, when I do a SELECT FROM and call for a specific 
keyword, it does not return any records..



Gary


""Gary""  wrote in message 
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I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here is a
sample of  the code for it.



It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I found 
in

searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.

 echo 'Id NumberDate
EnteredCaptionWhere
TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
 while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {

   echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
  echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
   echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
   echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
   echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
  echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
 if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
 echo '';
 }

As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show up
in IE8, and not FF?

Thanks for your help.

Gary



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[PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Michiel Sikma,

Am 2010-04-21 16:35:50, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> I'd like to refrain from actually passing judgement on this issue--since I
> use reply-all by default I could live with both of these settings--but I'm
> still curious as to why the list is set up the way it is.
> 
> What is the advantage of sending to the OP by default rather than the list?

Because DECENT MUA's have three options:

R)  Reply to OP
G)  Reply to Group
L)  Reply to List

If you set Reply-To: to the list, you can not more send PM to the Poster
and you have to edit the message.  This is WHY "Reply-To-List" exist.

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[PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Peter Lind,

Am 2010-04-21 15:47:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do
> people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical
> solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual
> work?

Hmmm, being a Programmer/Developer since 1982 and have ever used  decent
tools to accomplish a task...  including the right  MUA  which  simplify
the Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks.

> Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people
> administering the list, the discussion might as well end now.

Why should Programmers/Developers bother with non-reliable  MUAs  which
do not support Programmers/Developers daily mailing tasks?

If YOU are a Programmer/Developer why do you bother with a  non-suitable
MUA?

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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

Richard

I'm sorry, it looks like I sent a reply direct to you instead of the board, 
a mistake on my part.  Here is the message.


Richard

Thank you for your reply.

Something good is happening.  When I look into the actual DB, I see in the
keyword column

a:9:{i:0;s:3:"fox";i:1;s:6:"wolves";i:2;s:8:"wildl(this is
truncated),which seems to be the values within the array.

I used your serialized suggestion for this.

However when I bring the table to the screeen of a browser, I still get
Array.

Here is the updated coed of the insert.php

';
if ($how_many>0) {
echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
}
for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
  }
 echo "";
}
$result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Error querying database.');

if($result == true) {
  echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
  } else {
  echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
  }
$keyword = serialize($_POST['keyword']);
mysqli_close($dbc);

and the updated display code

$query="SELECT * FROM  images";


 $data = mysqli_query($dbc, $query);

 // Loop through the array of score data, formatting it as HTML
 echo 'Image display information from Database';
 echo 'Id NumberDate
EnteredCaptionWhere
TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
 while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {
   // Display the  data
   echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
  echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
   echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
   echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
   echo '' . $keyword = unserialize($row['keyword']). '';
  echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
 if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
 echo '';
 }


Thank you again for your help.

gary

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On 21 April 2010 16:01, Gary  wrote:

Ashley

Thank you for your reply.

I was trying to get the structure of the DB into a text form, cant seem to
find that (phpmyadmin).

This is the insert code

';
if ($how_many>0) {
echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
}
for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
}
echo "";
}
$result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Error querying database.');

if($result == true) {
echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
} else {
echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
}

mysqli_close($dbc);
?>

I hope that helps, and again thank you for your reply.

gary


"Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message
news:1271858245.20937.10.ca...@localhost...


On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:


I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes, Here is a
sample of the code for it.



It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
table, the code is listed below. I have tried various solutions I found
in
searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.

echo 'Id NumberDate
EnteredCaptionWhere
TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {

echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
echo '';
}

As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show
up
in IE8, and not FF?

Thanks for your help.

Gary



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You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to see
the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
string literal of 'Array' as their value?

As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
happening

[PHP] Re: replying to list

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello David McGlone,

Am 2010-04-21 06:34:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> I use Evolution, Kmail, and occasionally lookout and all of them are
> decent e-mail clients. Also, of all the mailing lists I am on, this is
> the only one that, when replying it goes to the OP and not the list.

This is realy weird, because I know only 5 lists of 113 (where I am  on)
which are mangeling the Reply-To: and I can not simply reply per PM.

> I'm not trying to solicit a change, I'm just wondering why this list has
> this behavior, which in my opinion is tedious.

I have three Reply options:

R   Reply to Poster
G   Reply to Group
L   Reply to List

and there is nothing wrong with it...  It is called VERY decent MUA.

Note:  I hate peoples sending me Cc: on my Cell-Phone exspecialy
   List-Messages which I read from my private archive.

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Re: [PHP] CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (Not PHP)

[Matty Sarro]

>From a purely storage standpoing that's correct. The other difference is
that CD and DVD are industry standard formats backed by the ISO. BluRay is a
sony proprietary format.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Dan Joseph  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:16 PM, tedd  wrote:
>
> > I'm no expert on media, but the only difference between CD, DVD, Blu-Ray
> is
> > the amount of data they can hold, right? IOW, you can still record video,
> > audio, pictures, files, all digital data on all media - it's just that
> > Blu-Ray can hold more than DVD and DVD holds more than CD, isn't that
> right?
> >
> >
> Speaking purely data, yessir.  That's your difference.
>
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Re: [PHP] CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (Not PHP)

[Dan Joseph]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:16 PM, tedd  wrote:

> I'm no expert on media, but the only difference between CD, DVD, Blu-Ray is
> the amount of data they can hold, right? IOW, you can still record video,
> audio, pictures, files, all digital data on all media - it's just that
> Blu-Ray can hold more than DVD and DVD holds more than CD, isn't that right?
>
>
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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

Ashley

Again thank you for your help. I will try your suggestion of child tables if 
all else fails.


Gary


"Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message 
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On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 11:01 -0400, Gary wrote:


Ashley

Thank you for your reply.

I was trying to get the structure of the DB into a text form, cant seem 
to

find that (phpmyadmin).

This is the insert code

';
 if ($how_many>0) {
 echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
 }
 for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
 echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
   }
  echo "";
 }
$result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Error querying database.');

if($result == true) {
   echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
   } else {
   echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
   }

mysqli_close($dbc);
?>

I hope that helps, and again thank you for your reply.

gary


"Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message
news:1271858245.20937.10.ca...@localhost...
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here 
>> is a

>> sample of  the code for it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
>> table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I 
>> found

>> in
>> searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.
>>
>>   echo 'Id NumberDate
>> EnteredCaptionWhere
>> TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
>>   while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {
>>
>> echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
>>echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
>> echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
>> echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
>> echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
>>echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
>>   if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
>>   echo '> height="100px"/>';
>>   }
>>
>> As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would 
>> show

>> up
>> in IE8, and not FF?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>> signature database 5047 (20100421) __
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
> performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to 
> see

> the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
> getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
> functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
> don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
> string literal of 'Array' as their value?
>
> As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
> those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
> from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
> happening with the image.
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
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You're inserting the string 'Array' into the DB. The form you have is
sending an actual array, but the insert statement can only insert a
single string. The string of the array is, as you've found out, 'Array'.

Consider normalising the DB and having a keywords table with 3 fields:
id, image_id, keyword.

Then each entry in the keywords table would be a keyword, linked by
image_id. You'll also need to change your images table to include an id
by which you can reference each image individually and index by.

Lastly, be very careful of your insert statements. The way things stand,
it would be easy for someone to maliciously enter their own statements.
Use something like mysql_real_escape_string() to protect against MySQL
attacks.

Thanks,
Ash
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[PHP] CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray (Not PHP)

[tedd]

Hi gang:

I'm no expert on media, but the only difference between CD, DVD, 
Blu-Ray is the amount of data they can hold, right? IOW, you can 
still record video, audio, pictures, files, all digital data on all 
media - it's just that Blu-Ray can hold more than DVD and DVD holds 
more than CD, isn't that right?


Cheers,

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[PHP] Re: replying to list

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Ashley Sheridan,

Am 2010-04-21 12:05:30, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> Incidentally, I saw someone mention the Evolution email client in this
> thread. It's what I use,

..and the OP!

> and it does have a reply to list option (but I

Thanks for the confirmation...

> tend to be a bit lazy and hit reply to all as the option is in a menu
> and not on the toolbar :-/ )

Can you not adapt the toolbar?

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RE: [PHP] Adding reCAPTCHA to form using PHP

[Ernie Kemp]

Hope I'm not flogging a dead horse but I'm trying to understand how to show
error message for reCAPTCHA on the same page as the form.

I need to go to action="quoterequest-redirect.php" page. The submit alway
goes to the action where I can check the reCAPTCHA'd enterd but it would be
nice to have the messsage appear on the same Login page.

Please remind me/give me a hint.

Thanks,
/Ernie
 

Thanks for your reply Tedd.
Maybe my reCAPTCHA is more complicated than it needs to be but when you
click the "Submit" button the form triggers the
action="quoterequest-redirect.php" which goes to another program without
checking the CAPTCHA. I test in the called program and display a message if
it's invalid. The user then clicks back to form page to try again.
It would be better on submit the program would display an error message and
go nowhere.

The code works by itself but in a form with an action, not so good.

Not such how to do this 




http://recaptcha.net/api/getkey
$publickey = "6LeGhwwAADNm2bEIkxzNHXIjpAlGYJ5NCYju";
$privatekey = "6LeGhwwAAFbi37aANuHliCnZ-_jg3uN8N7oh";

# the response from reCAPTCHA
$resp = null;
# the error code from reCAPTCHA, if any
$error = null;

# was there a reCAPTCHA response?
if ($_POST["submit"]) {
$response = recaptcha_check_answer($privatekey,
$_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"],
$_POST["recaptcha_challenge_field"],
$_POST["recaptcha_response_field"]);
 
if ($response->is_valid) {
echo "Yes, that was correct!";
} else {
# set the error code so that we can display it
echo "Eh, That wasn't right. Try Again.";
}
}
?>



   




-Original Message-
From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: April-19-10 12:51 PM
To: Ernie Kemp; 'PHP General List'
Subject: Re: [PHP] Adding reCAPTCHA to form using PHP

At 12:21 PM -0400 4/19/10, Ernie Kemp wrote:
>Need help with reCAPTCHA. Never installed it before.
>
>When Submit is clicked the "quoterequest-redirect.php" is run but I think
it
>would be better to test the reCAPTCHA before the
"quoterequest-redirect.php"
>program has been run.
>
>I check the CAPTCHA in "quoterequest-redirect.php", it displays a invalid
>message if invalid but the user has to tab back to fill in the CAPTCHA
>again.
>
>
>
>The reCAPTCHA show correctly but I need some help/hints/tips here.

Ernie :

There's nothing complicated here. You don't need to get public and 
private keys or other such complications. A CAPTCHA is as simple as:

What is 2 + 2?
What is the color of an orange?

Answer correctly and you pass. If not, then you don't.

The purpose of a CAPTCHA is simply to keep bots out and allow humans 
to pass. If you base your CAPTCHA on a strange graphic, then you keep 
visually impaired users out. That's not good.

Here's an assortment of CAPTCHA's, but I think the Question CAPTCHA 
is the best.

http://webbytedd.com/aa/assorted-captcha/


Cheers,

tedd
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RE: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues

[Alice Wei]

> From: peter.e.l...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:29:19 +0200
> Subject: Re: [PHP] Mail Function Using PEAR Issues
> To: aj...@alumni.iu.edu
> CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general@lists.php.net
> 
> On 21 April 2010 04:25, Alice Wei  wrote:
> > Well, from my experience with Ubuntu, looks like that it does not do that. 
> > Unless, I am doing it wrong?
> 
> So did you try using the 'smtp' backend and passing all the connection
> details rather than 'mail'?
> 
I have mentioned several posts earlier that I have done nothing about my 
php.ini file. From what you said, since I use U-Verse, am I supposed to do 
something as described here: 
http://helpme.att.net/pdf/uverse/uverse_hsi_qsg_english.pdf
 
I thought with PEAR, you don't need to do that anymore. Or, am I wrong?
 
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The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with 
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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Per Jessen]

David McGlone wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 17:07 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
>> David McGlone wrote:
>> 
>> > Also, I do not want this discussion to turn into a flame war or
>> > anything of such. I am simply just trying to have a discussion and
>> > learn why and how there is different behavior here, but not
>> > anywhere else.
>> 
>> David, the PHP list behaves like hundreds or thousands of others in
>> this
>> respect.  Of course there are also lists that work the other way, but
>> the PHP list is far from alone.
> 
> It could be just me, but it seems to me this behavior is mostly PHP
> list specific. 

Some examples of other lists that behave the same:

ntp-general
linux-kernel
spamassassin-general
rrdtool-users
opensuse-*
nasm-users
isdn4linux
asterisk-users
postfix-users
dovecot-general



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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[tedd]

At 8:27 AM -0400 4/21/10, David McGlone wrote:

I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.

It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it
hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through
hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if
replying sends the reply to the OP.

Every message sent to this list, simply hitting reply should send back
to this list and not the OP.
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David:

Whenever I want to reply to the OP privately, I use their email address.

Whenever I want to reply to all, I use "PHP "

I do NOT (usually) use any quick "Reply" or "Reply to All" options in 
my email program that sends stuff to everyone. Instead I think about 
what I am sending and consider if anyone wants to receive my email. 
Sure it's another step, but no more troublesome than trimming my 
email to the point or other such considerations to make my replies 
"on topic" and more readable.


I'm sorry that you feel that doing so is *so tedious* that you are 
going to "give up", but consider the effort that is put forth by 
those answering you you should reconsider how much effort you are 
willing spend to make this list work. Sometimes things cannot be as 
simple as "Click".


Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 17:07 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
> 
> > Also, I do not want this discussion to turn into a flame war or
> > anything of such. I am simply just trying to have a discussion and
> > learn why and how there is different behavior here, but not anywhere
> > else. 
> 
> David, the PHP list behaves like hundreds or thousands of others in this
> respect.  Of course there are also lists that work the other way, but
> the PHP list is far from alone. 

It could be just me, but it seems to me this behavior is mostly PHP list
specific. The only other php list I am on is php-db. It doesn't have
this behavior so I guess I'm just not experienced enough to know
otherwise.

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Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland

[tedd]

At 12:08 AM +0200 4/21/10, Nick Balestra wrote:

Hello everybody,

I am NIck, from Locarno (southern switzerland) i am getting into php 
development for my own start-up company, maybe there are other 
people near me that would be nice to know for networking and alike. 
I will post here all my questions if i don't find any answer already 
on this list.


Cheers from Switzerland



Welcome Nick.

Do you own a bank?  :-)

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Richard Quadling]

On 21 April 2010 16:01, Gary  wrote:
> Ashley
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> I was trying to get the structure of the DB into a text form, cant seem to
> find that (phpmyadmin).
>
> This is the insert code
>
>  $caption=($_POST['caption']);
> $keyword=($_POST['keyword']);
> $description=($_POST['description']);
> $image_file=($_POST['image_file']);
> $where_taken=($_POST['where_taken']);
>
> $dbc=mysqli_connect('', '', '', 'images');
>
> $query="INSERT INTO images(caption, where_taken, keyword, description,
> image_file) VALUES
> ('$caption','$where_taken','$keyword','$description','$image_file')";
> if (isset($_POST['submit'])) {
>
>    $how_many = count($keyword);
>    echo 'keywords chosen: '.$how_many.'';
>    if ($how_many>0) {
>        echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
>    }
>    for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
>    echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
>  }
>     echo "";
> }
> $result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
> or die('Error querying database.');
>
> if($result == true) {
>      echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
>  } else {
>      echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
>  }
>
> mysqli_close($dbc);
> ?>
>
> I hope that helps, and again thank you for your reply.
>
> gary
>
>
> "Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message
> news:1271858245.20937.10.ca...@localhost...
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here is a
>>> sample of  the code for it.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
>>> table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I found
>>> in
>>> searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.
>>>
>>>  echo 'Id NumberDate
>>> EnteredCaptionWhere
>>> TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
>>>  while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {
>>>
>>>    echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
>>>   echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
>>>    echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
>>>    echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
>>>    echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
>>>       echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
>>>      if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
>>>      echo '>> height="100px"/>';
>>>      }
>>>
>>> As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show
>>> up
>>> in IE8, and not FF?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>>> signature database 5047 (20100421) __
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
>> performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to see
>> the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
>> getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
>> functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
>> don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
>> string literal of 'Array' as their value?
>>
>> As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
>> those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
>> from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
>> happening with the image.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ash
>> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature database 5047 (20100421) __
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>
>
> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,

Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Ashley Sheridan]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 11:01 -0400, Gary wrote:

> Ashley
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> 
> I was trying to get the structure of the DB into a text form, cant seem to 
> find that (phpmyadmin).
> 
> This is the insert code
> 
>  $caption=($_POST['caption']);
> $keyword=($_POST['keyword']);
> $description=($_POST['description']);
> $image_file=($_POST['image_file']);
> $where_taken=($_POST['where_taken']);
> 
> $dbc=mysqli_connect('', '', '', 'images');
> 
> $query="INSERT INTO images(caption, where_taken, keyword, description, 
> image_file) VALUES 
> ('$caption','$where_taken','$keyword','$description','$image_file')";
>  if (isset($_POST['submit'])) {
> 
>  $how_many = count($keyword);
>  echo 'keywords chosen: '.$how_many.'';
>  if ($how_many>0) {
>  echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
>  }
>  for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
>  echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
>}
>   echo "";
>  }
> $result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
> or die('Error querying database.');
> 
> if($result == true) {
>echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
>} else {
>echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
>}
> 
> mysqli_close($dbc);
> ?>
> 
> I hope that helps, and again thank you for your reply.
> 
> gary
> 
> 
> "Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message 
> news:1271858245.20937.10.ca...@localhost...
> > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:
> >
> >> I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here is a
> >> sample of  the code for it.
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
> >> table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I found 
> >> in
> >> searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.
> >>
> >>   echo 'Id NumberDate
> >> EnteredCaptionWhere
> >> TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
> >>   while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {
> >>
> >> echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
> >>echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
> >> echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
> >> echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
> >> echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
> >>echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
> >>   if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
> >>   echo ' >> height="100px"/>';
> >>   }
> >>
> >> As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show 
> >> up
> >> in IE8, and not FF?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
> >> signature database 5047 (20100421) __
> >>
> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
> >>
> >> http://www.eset.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
> > performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to see
> > the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
> > getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
> > functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
> > don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
> > string literal of 'Array' as their value?
> >
> > As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
> > those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
> > from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
> > happening with the image.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus 
> > signature database 5047 (20100421) __
> >
> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> >
> > http://www.eset.com
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature 
> database 5047 (20100421) __
> 
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> 
> http://www.eset.com
> 
> 
> 
> 


You're inserting the string 'Array' into the DB. The form you have is
sending an actual array, but the insert statement can only insert a
single string. The string of the array is, as you've found out, 'Array'.

Consider normalising the DB and having a keywords table with 3 fields:
id, image_id, keyword.

Then each entry in the keywords table would be a keyword, linked by
image_id. You'll also need to change your images table to include an id
by which you can reference each image individually and index by.

Lastly, be very careful of your insert statements. The way things stand,
it would be easy for someone to maliciously enter their own statements.
Use something like mysql_real_escape_string() to protect against MySQL
attacks.

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Per Jessen]

David McGlone wrote:

> Also, I do not want this discussion to turn into a flame war or
> anything of such. I am simply just trying to have a discussion and
> learn why and how there is different behavior here, but not anywhere
> else. 

David, the PHP list behaves like hundreds or thousands of others in this
respect.  Of course there are also lists that work the other way, but
the PHP list is far from alone. 



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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

Ashley

Thank you for your reply.

I was trying to get the structure of the DB into a text form, cant seem to 
find that (phpmyadmin).


This is the insert code

$query="INSERT INTO images(caption, where_taken, keyword, description, 
image_file) VALUES 
('$caption','$where_taken','$keyword','$description','$image_file')";

if (isset($_POST['submit'])) {

$how_many = count($keyword);
echo 'keywords chosen: '.$how_many.'';
if ($how_many>0) {
echo 'You chose the following keywords:';
}
for ($i=0; $i<$how_many; $i++) {
echo ($i+1) . '- ' . $keyword[$i] . '';
  }
 echo "";
}
$result = mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Error querying database.');

if($result == true) {
  echo "Successfully Inserted $image_file into database";
  } else {
  echo "Some Error Occured While Inserting Records";
  }

mysqli_close($dbc);
?>

I hope that helps, and again thank you for your reply.

gary


"Ashley Sheridan"  wrote in message 
news:1271858245.20937.10.ca...@localhost...

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:


I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here is a
sample of  the code for it.

 

It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I found 
in

searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.

  echo 'Id NumberDate
EnteredCaptionWhere
TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
  while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {

echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
   echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
   echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
  if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
  echo '';
  }

As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show 
up

in IE8, and not FF?

Thanks for your help.

Gary



__ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
signature database 5047 (20100421) __


The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com








You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to see
the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
string literal of 'Array' as their value?

As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
happening with the image.

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk





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signature database 5047 (20100421) __


The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com





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RE: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Tommy Pham]

> -Original Message-
> From: daniel.egeb...@gmail.com [mailto:daniel.egeb...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Egeberg
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:40 AM
> To: Tommy Pham
> Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)
> 



I'm using gmail's label which isn't the same as 'move to' filter.  I'm pretty 
sure that I didn't receive duplicate.  So it might that gmail's server has some 
detection method in place.


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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Daniel Brown]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:20, David McGlone  wrote:
>
> I just received 3 copies of this message. One went to my PHP folder and
> 2 went to my Inbox.

It was sent multiple times.  Probably an intentional demonstration
of irony.  ;-P

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Daniel Egeberg]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 16:32, Tommy Pham  wrote:
> I'm sure that the reason why the this list and a few others are setup this 
> way so that if anyone want to reply just to the OP can do so without having 
> to figure out or remembering the e-mail address of the sender.

Yes, plus many of the people who send to lists such as php-webmaster@
generally do not actually subscribe. Sending a reply privately to
someone can also come in handy if you wish to comment privately on a
commit. Logs/diffs are sent to mailing lists and the From header will
always contain usern...@php.net.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Daniel Egeberg]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 16:12, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
> 2010/4/21 David McGlone :
>> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:
>>> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
>>> > Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
>>> > multiple e-mail lists?
>>> > It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
>>> > users just to satisfy a couple of few.
>>>
>>> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
>>> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
>>> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
>>> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
>>> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
>>> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
>>> OP AND the list).
>>
>> Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
>> GB, etc.
>>
>> It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
>> 2 of the exact messages.
>>
>
> Strange I only got one, but it ma be a mail server filter

I'll have to say that I've never received duplicate messages on any of
the nine PHP.net mailing lists I'm subscribed to either.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Michiel Sikma]

On 21 April 2010 15:41, Dan Joseph  wrote:

> When you hit reply all, just take out all the other addresses and leave the
> list one in there.  The list was setup like this years ago on purpose, and
> they've stated in the past they don't want to change it..
>
> --
> -Dan Joseph
>
>
I'd like to refrain from actually passing judgement on this issue--since I
use reply-all by default I could live with both of these settings--but I'm
still curious as to why the list is set up the way it is.

What is the advantage of sending to the OP by default rather than the list?

Michiel

RE: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Tommy Pham]

I'm sure that the reason why the this list and a few others are setup this way 
so that if anyone want to reply just to the OP can do so without having to 
figure out or remembering the e-mail address of the sender.


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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 16:12 +0200, Hans Åhlin wrote:
> 2010/4/21 David McGlone :
> > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:
> >> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
> >> > Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
> >> > multiple e-mail lists?
> >> > It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
> >> > users just to satisfy a couple of few.
> >>
> >> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
> >> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
> >> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
> >> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
> >> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
> >> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
> >> OP AND the list).
> >
> > Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
> > GB, etc.
> >
> > It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
> > 2 of the exact messages.
> >
> 
> Strange I only got one, but it ma be a mail server filter

I just received 3 copies of this message. One went to my PHP folder and
2 went to my Inbox.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 14:56, Ashley Sheridan  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 08:56 -0400, David McGlone wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:42 +0200, Daniel Egeberg wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:27, David McGlone  wrote:
>> > > I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
>> > > pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
>> > > the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
>> > > are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.
>> >
>> > Then get a better email client if yours doesn't support "reply to all"
>> > or "reply to group". It's hardly the mailing list's fault that your
>> > client doesn't support that.
>>
>> My email client does support "reply to all", but it's IMHO
>> inconsiderate.
>>
>> Think about people that have to pay for every Mb they download. "reply
>> to all" causes these people to have to pay for duplicates.
>>
>> Now if somebody on this list was paying for their downloads, then you
>> and I am costing them money by using "reply to all" and now there are 2
>> duplicate messages for them the download.
>>
>> How would you feel if this was you?
>>
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>> David M.
>>
>>
>
>
> Did you read the link that David Robley sent on the original thread you
> made?
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> What you're proposing would cause a lot of problems for the sake of a
> few people. And I hardly think that a few emails are going to cause a
> bandwidth issue for anybody. If bandwidth was such an issue, they'd be
> using an email client that only downloaded the email headers first, and
> from there you could easily discern the duplicate messages.

Except it wouldn't cause a lot of problems, now would it? As you've
heard from quite a few others, many mailing lists work using the
'reply-to' ... and have happy users. Most of the points in the doc you
posted a link to are viewpoints from someone that's used to one thing
and hates the idea of things changing - whether or not it makes life
easier (the "It makes things break" for instance ... calling replying
to the list instead of the OP a "break" is rather farfetched unless
you've stared at something you hate for so long you've become blinded
byt it. Then there's the "Freedom of choice": well, where's my freedom
of choice? I can't use 'reply' as I want to, so it's effectively
reduced *my* freedom).

Quick guess is by now, the majority of people clicking "reply" *mean*
to reply to the list but in effect reply to the OP. Using "reply-to"
would help these people. Anyone using "reply-all" would see no
difference. So when you're advocating that many subscribers should
ditch their email client and install Evolution instead of having *one*
email list have it's settings changed a bit ... I start to wonder if
you've considered things from both sides.

Regards
Peter

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Hans Åhlin]

2010/4/21 David McGlone :
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:
>> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
>> > Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
>> > multiple e-mail lists?
>> > It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
>> > users just to satisfy a couple of few.
>>
>> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
>> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
>> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
>> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
>> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
>> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
>> OP AND the list).
>
> Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
> GB, etc.
>
> It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
> 2 of the exact messages.
>

Strange I only got one, but it ma be a mail server filter

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Hans Åhlin]

2010/4/21 David McGlone :
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:
>> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
>> > Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
>> > multiple e-mail lists?
>> > It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
>> > users just to satisfy a couple of few.
>>
>> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
>> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
>> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
>> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
>> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
>> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
>> OP AND the list).
>
> Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
> GB, etc.
>
> It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
> 2 of the exact messages.
>

Strange I only got one, but it ma be a mail server filter

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> David M.
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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:41 -0400, Dan Joseph wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:33 AM, David McGlone  wrote:
> 
> > I'm not passing judgment, It just saddens me that I have to send
> > multiple messages and this isn't because of anyone, it's because of my
> > lack of knowledge on how to reply to lists that are set up in this way.
> > But I think the "reply to list" like ash suggested solves the multiples
> > problem.
> >
> > And on a positive note, If I wouldn't have brought this discussion up, I
> > would have never known. Pretty sure I do now.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Every couple years this discussion comes up.  Cracks me up every time.
> 
> When you hit reply all, just take out all the other addresses and leave the
> list one in there.  The list was setup like this years ago on purpose, and
> they've stated in the past they don't want to change it..
> 

I'm the type of person that figures out how and why and then weighs my
options. Figuring out how to reply properly to this list was the first
step, now the next step is figuring out if I can deal with it or not.

I've decided to stay for a couple reasons, for one, everybody on this
list didn't once get mean or hateful during this whole discussion. That
flabbergasted me, because on a lot of lists I am on, quite a few people
on those lists would have instantly jumped down my throat. Secondly,
Everyone on this list that I have seen ask questions and give advise are
darn good programmers, so in order to be in the company of people like
this, then changing my habits shouldn't be hard.

The reason for the subject change was because I feared I was going to
start a flame war, so I was going to back down and just forget I
mentioned it.


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Re: [PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Ashley Sheridan]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:47 -0400, Gary wrote:

> I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here is a
> sample of  the code for it.
> 
>  
> 
> It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
> table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I found in
> searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.
> 
>   echo 'Id NumberDate
> EnteredCaptionWhere
> TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
>   while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {
> 
> echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
>echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
> echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
> echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
> echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
>echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
>   if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
>   echo ' height="100px"/>';
>   }
> 
> As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show up
> in IE8, and not FF?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
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You say you're getting an entry of Array in your table. Is this after
performing an insert query from the form? If so, we're gonna need to see
the code for that! If it's that you're retrieving from the DB and
getting Array as the output, then it could be that you're using string
functions on an array. However, as you said images are displaying, I
don't think that's the case. Maybe some of the fields in the DB have a
string literal of 'Array' as their value?

As for the images not displaying correctly, have you tried to just open
those images up in a browser using their uri? Just copy and paste it
from the  tag. It might give more input on exactly what is
happening with the image.

Thanks,
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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Robert Cummings]

Peter Lind wrote:

On 21 April 2010 15:41, Dan Joseph  wrote:

When you hit reply all, just take out all the other addresses and leave the
list one in there.  The list was setup like this years ago on purpose, and
they've stated in the past they don't want to change it..


And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do
people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical
solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual
work?


Well most of us have read this thread now... and it kinda burned up 
about 4 years worth of time to remove the extraneous addresses :B


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[PHP] Re: replying to list

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello David McGlone,

Am 2010-04-21 05:23:07, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> 
> Why is the list set up to reply to the OP and not the list?

Because a "Reply-To-List Button" exist in Evolution!  :-D

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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[Robert Cummings]

David McGlone wrote:

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 11:34 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote:

On 21 April 2010 11:23, David McGlone  wrote:


Why is the list set up to reply to the OP and not the list?

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Is it? I didn't notice. I just use "reply to all" which puts the list in the
CC, and that works just fine for me.


reply to all works, but then we end up with 2 messages, and if you have
your mail client set up to filter mail into folders, then each message
ends up in 2 different places.


Improve your filter. I match on the message subject line looking for 
[PHP] and route it to my PHP general folder.


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[PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello David McGlone,

Am 2010-04-21 08:27:18, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.

You are using Evolution and I am wondering,
why you do not use the "List-Reply Button"!

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Daniel Brown]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 09:41, Dan Joseph  wrote:
>
> When you hit reply all, just take out all the other addresses and leave the
> list one in there.  The list was setup like this years ago on purpose, and
> they've stated in the past they don't want to change it..

And we won't, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it
probably does irk a few folks, so this will continue to come up now
and again.  As annoying as some may find it, though, it's not
something we're going to change.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 15:41, Dan Joseph  wrote:
> When you hit reply all, just take out all the other addresses and leave the
> list one in there.  The list was setup like this years ago on purpose, and
> they've stated in the past they don't want to change it..

And waste time every single time you post to the list ... why do
people become programmers/developers again? To end creating technical
solutions they can then avoid using by doing extra, pointless manual
work?

Anyway, if there's no chance of changing the minds of the people
administering the list, the discussion might as well end now.

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[PHP] Getting Array to Display

[Gary]

I have a form that I have a (ever growing) list of checkboxes,  Here is a
sample of  the code for it.

 

It seems to go in, when I say seems to, I get a result of Array in the
table, the code is listed below.  I have tried various solutions I found in
searching the issue, but have only been able to so far get Array.

  echo 'Id NumberDate
EnteredCaptionWhere
TakenKeywordsDescriptionImage';
  while ($row = mysqli_fetch_array($data)) {

echo '' . $row['image_id']. '';
   echo '' . $row['submitted']. '';
echo '' . $row['caption']. '';
echo '' . $row['where_taken'] . '';
echo '' . $row['keyword']. '';
   echo '' . $row['description'] . '';
  if (is_file($row['image_file'])) {
  echo '';
  }

As a bonus question, does anyone have any idea why the image would show up
in IE8, and not FF?

Thanks for your help.

Gary



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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Dan Joseph]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:33 AM, David McGlone  wrote:

> I'm not passing judgment, It just saddens me that I have to send
> multiple messages and this isn't because of anyone, it's because of my
> lack of knowledge on how to reply to lists that are set up in this way.
> But I think the "reply to list" like ash suggested solves the multiples
> problem.
>
> And on a positive note, If I wouldn't have brought this discussion up, I
> would have never known. Pretty sure I do now.
>
>
>

Every couple years this discussion comes up.  Cracks me up every time.

When you hit reply all, just take out all the other addresses and leave the
list one in there.  The list was setup like this years ago on purpose, and
they've stated in the past they don't want to change it..

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:19 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:
> >> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
> >>> Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
> >>> multiple e-mail lists?
> >>> It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
> >>> users just to satisfy a couple of few.
> >> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
> >> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
> >> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
> >> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
> >> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
> >> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
> >> OP AND the list).
> > 
> > Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
> > GB, etc.
> > 
> > It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
> > 2 of the exact messages.
> 
> I thought you just wanted to know why it is the way it is? Now you're 
> passing judgement.

I'm not passing judgment, It just saddens me that I have to send
multiple messages and this isn't because of anyone, it's because of my
lack of knowledge on how to reply to lists that are set up in this way.
But I think the "reply to list" like ash suggested solves the multiples
problem.

And on a positive note, If I wouldn't have brought this discussion up, I
would have never known. Pretty sure I do now.


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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:56 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 08:56 -0400, David McGlone wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:42 +0200, Daniel Egeberg wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:27, David McGlone  wrote:
> > > > I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> > > > pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> > > > the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> > > > are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.
> > > 
> > > Then get a better email client if yours doesn't support "reply to all"
> > > or "reply to group". It's hardly the mailing list's fault that your
> > > client doesn't support that.
> > 
> > My email client does support "reply to all", but it's IMHO
> > inconsiderate.
> > 
> > Think about people that have to pay for every Mb they download. "reply
> > to all" causes these people to have to pay for duplicates.
> > 
> > Now if somebody on this list was paying for their downloads, then you
> > and I am costing them money by using "reply to all" and now there are 2
> > duplicate messages for them the download.
> > 
> > How would you feel if this was you?
> > 
> > -- 
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> > David M.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Did you read the link that David Robley sent on the original thread you
> made?
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Yes. but if it was so harmful, why does the 40, 50 or so lists that I've
been on, simply let you hit the reply and it goes back to the list?

I am not arguing or upset, I am just so puzzled as to why the list has
this behavior. It is tedious to have to remember which lists I am on
will accept simply hitting the reply and those that don't.

> 
> What you're proposing would cause a lot of problems for the sake of a
> few people.

I'm not proposing anything. Don't get me wrong. It's just so mind
boggling why this behavior. I read and understand the idea behind that
link, but if it was so harmful why is the majority of mailing lists
allowing a simple "reply"?
 
>  And I hardly think that a few emails are going to cause a
> bandwidth issue for anybody. If bandwidth was such an issue, they'd be
> using an email client that only downloaded the email headers first, and
> from there you could easily discern the duplicate messages.

Thats true, I agree. But what about those that are not computer savvy?
Take my wife for instance. LOL

Also, I do not want this discussion to turn into a flame war or anything
of such. I am simply just trying to have a discussion and learn why and
how there is different behavior here, but not anywhere else. And I am
also venting just a tad bit, because for the last 15 years up until I
joined this list 6 months or so ago, I have never seen this issue, and
changing habits after 15 years is quite hard, but I can't change my
habits if I don't figure out how and why.


PS. I used the "reply to list" on this e-mail. Do you know of any way I
can add an icon to my tool bar instead of clicking on the Message menu
or hitting ctrl+l?

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Ken Kixmoeller]

Daniel Egeberg wrote:


Then get a better email client if yours doesn't support "reply to all"
or "reply to group". It's hardly the mailing list's fault that your
client doesn't support that.


Nonsense. I have used lists like this for many, many years. PHP lists 
are the only ones I have ever used that behave this way. All the others 
I have used are configured that a simple "Reply" replies to the list.


Sure, you can always "Reply All" but then you get multiple replies from 
the same person to the same post. Plus, it is really easy to forget.


In my opinion, it is idiotic.

OTOH, what is important to me is the quality of the information that 
comes in from you incredibly generous people. Thank you to all posters. 
You are the best.


The list behavior is just an irritant, but it pales in comparison to the 
benefit.



Ken

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Robert Cummings]

David McGlone wrote:

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:

On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:

Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
multiple e-mail lists?
It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
users just to satisfy a couple of few.

David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
OP AND the list).


Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
GB, etc.

It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
2 of the exact messages.


I thought you just wanted to know why it is the way it is? Now you're 
passing judgement.


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RE: [PHP] replying to list

[Bob McConnell]

From: David Robley
> Ashley Sheridan wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:00 +0200, Nick Balestra wrote:
>> 
>>> Not really i think, because by replying it just direct reply to the
OP,
>>> while other systems like google groups for example by replying you
just
>>> post to the list, and actually make more sense.
>>> 
>>> the easy way is to hit reply and change the "to" into
>>> php-general@lists.php.net or reply to all and replace "to" with the
"cc".
>>> I think the best practice is to take this 5 second to take care of
this
>>> in order to avoid duplicate message to others.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Exactly.
>>> > :)
>>> > 
>>> > Karl
>>> > 
>>> > On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:38 AM, David McGlone wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >> Maybe it's not how the list is set up, but instead how people are
>>> >> replying to the list.
>>> > 
>> 
>> I'm only on one other mailing list, but it behaves exactly the same
as
>> the php-general one. It makes sense really to me, as the email is
coming
>> from the person who wrote it, and it's behaving as if we're just
bcc'd
>> in as a list. I think the fault is with the email clients that don't
>> understand mailing lists.
>> 
>> Incidentally, I saw someone mention the Evolution email client in
this
>> thread. It's what I use, and it does have a reply to list option (but
I
>> tend to be a bit lazy and hit reply to all as the option is in a menu
>> and not on the toolbar :-/ )
> 
> This is an oldie but I think it is still a goodie in respect of this
> discussion.
> 
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> 

I have a couple of problems with that article. First, he still
references RFC822 a year and a half after it was superseded by RFC2822.
So he is already out of step with reality. (RFC2822 was itself
superseded by RFC5322 on Oct 1, 2008.)

Second, I don't agree with his definition of a reasonable mailer. He
recommends several processes that do not sound at all reasonable to me.
But I have only been using email for 27 years, so what do I know.

Third, and most importantly, he obviously had never dealt with a PHB
that required him to use a specific OS, mail client and servers that by
design will never be reasonable by anybody's definition. Many of us
simply don't get a choice.

I just did a quick check of the half dozen mailing lists I subscribe to
here at work, and they are split 50/50 on whether Reply goes back to the
list or the OP. So I suspect a consensus is unlikely.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[Robert Cummings]

Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

Hi,
I think the problem or the bad form, if you will, is using reply-all.
All you need to do is hit reply and it should just send a message  
back to the list. Everyone gets the list messages.
If the reply-to is not set, type in the list email in the to and the  
reply-to in your message
and that should set the stage for a reply-to to be present in the  
thread.
I for one don't know how many email duplicates I have had to delete  
because someone hit reply-all.

Gets messy on big threads, but I manage.

Be nice if that wasn't so. :)


I like the reply-all option. When someone uses it for a thread in which 
I am active and for a message to which I've responded then I generally 
get their response before the list sends it... not that the list is slow 
by any measure from my end.


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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Ashley Sheridan]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 08:56 -0400, David McGlone wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:42 +0200, Daniel Egeberg wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:27, David McGlone  wrote:
> > > I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> > > pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> > > the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> > > are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.
> > 
> > Then get a better email client if yours doesn't support "reply to all"
> > or "reply to group". It's hardly the mailing list's fault that your
> > client doesn't support that.
> 
> My email client does support "reply to all", but it's IMHO
> inconsiderate.
> 
> Think about people that have to pay for every Mb they download. "reply
> to all" causes these people to have to pay for duplicates.
> 
> Now if somebody on this list was paying for their downloads, then you
> and I am costing them money by using "reply to all" and now there are 2
> duplicate messages for them the download.
> 
> How would you feel if this was you?
> 
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> David M.
> 
> 


Did you read the link that David Robley sent on the original thread you
made?
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

What you're proposing would cause a lot of problems for the sake of a
few people. And I hardly think that a few emails are going to cause a
bandwidth issue for anybody. If bandwidth was such an issue, they'd be
using an email client that only downloaded the email headers first, and
from there you could easily discern the duplicate messages.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:
> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
> > Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
> > multiple e-mail lists?
> > It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
> > users just to satisfy a couple of few.
> 
> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
> OP AND the list).

Exactly. I also feel bad for those who have to pay to download per Mb,
GB, etc.

It's pitiful that once I send this E-Mail, Peter and Hans both will get
2 of the exact messages.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Ashley Sheridan]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:49 +0200, Peter Lind wrote:

> On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
> > Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
> > multiple e-mail lists?
> > It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
> > users just to satisfy a couple of few.
> 
> David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
> sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
> reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
> needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
> the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
> people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
> OP AND the list).
> 
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As I mentioned earlier, the Evolution mail client has a reply to list
option which I've used to send this to the list. A decent email client
*will* have this option somewhere, but if anyone is using one that
doesn't, Evolution is available for the majority of operating systems
out there.

Thanks,
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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 14:42 +0200, Daniel Egeberg wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:27, David McGlone  wrote:
> > I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> > pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> > the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> > are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.
> 
> Then get a better email client if yours doesn't support "reply to all"
> or "reply to group". It's hardly the mailing list's fault that your
> client doesn't support that.

My email client does support "reply to all", but it's IMHO
inconsiderate.

Think about people that have to pay for every Mb they download. "reply
to all" causes these people to have to pay for duplicates.

Now if somebody on this list was paying for their downloads, then you
and I am costing them money by using "reply to all" and now there are 2
duplicate messages for them the download.

How would you feel if this was you?

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 14:38, Hans Åhlin  wrote:
> Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
> multiple e-mail lists?
> It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
> users just to satisfy a couple of few.

David was venting based on a discussion in another thread. I'm pretty
sure he knows about the option to reply-all - that's part of the
reason for venting (it sends multiple emails instead of just the one
needed). The optimal scenario is to: 1) be able to quickly respond to
the list, as that's the normal action you want to do and 2) not spam
people with several emails for no reason (i.e. avoid replying to the
OP AND the list).

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Hans Åhlin]

Why change the way that has been around for years and adopted by
multiple e-mail lists?
It feels like it's more problem to change the way for thousands of
users just to satisfy a couple of few.

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2010/4/21 David McGlone :
> I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.
>
> It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it
> hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through
> hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if
> replying sends the reply to the OP.
>
> Every message sent to this list, simply hitting reply should send back
> to this list and not the OP.
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>
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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Daniel Egeberg]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 14:27, David McGlone  wrote:
> I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
> pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
> the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
> are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.

Then get a better email client if yours doesn't support "reply to all"
or "reply to group". It's hardly the mailing list's fault that your
client doesn't support that.

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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[Per Jessen]

David McGlone wrote:

> I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I
> can't pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies
> go to the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or
> most people are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.

Did you try "Reply-All" ?  That usually does it for me.

> It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it
> hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through
> hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if
> replying sends the reply to the OP.

Reply-All. 



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Re: [PHP] Date Math

[Floyd Resler]

On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:39 AM, Michiel Sikma wrote:

> On 20 April 2010 17:40, Floyd Resler  wrote:
> 
>> I need to get the difference in months between two dates.  The dates could
>> be as much as 60 months apart.  Is there any easy way to do this either
>> through PHP or MySQL?  I know how I can do it through code but thought there
>> might be a simple one or two line option.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Floyd
>> 
>> 
> You're best off doing this in MySQL.
> Something like select timestampdiff(month, '2010-01-01', '2010-05-22');
> should work.
> 
> Michiel

Perfect!  That's exactly what I was looking for!
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Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[shiplu]

The reply-to header should be changed to php-gene...@lists.php.net.
I experience many dev list that are configured this way.
So, in my gmail i change my habit to press "a" instead of "r".

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[PHP] replying to list (I give up)

[David McGlone]

I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't
pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to
the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people
are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply.

It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it
hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through
hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if
replying sends the reply to the OP.

Every message sent to this list, simply hitting reply should send back
to this list and not the OP.
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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[David Robley]

Ashley Sheridan wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:00 +0200, Nick Balestra wrote:
> 
>> Not really i think, because by replying it just direct reply to the OP,
>> while other systems like google groups for example by replying you just
>> post to the list, and actually make more sense.
>> 
>> the easy way is to hit reply and change the "to" into
>> php-general@lists.php.net or reply to all and replace "to" with the "cc".
>> I think the best practice is to take this 5 second to take care of this
>> in order to avoid duplicate message to others.
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
>> 
>> > Exactly.
>> > :)
>> > 
>> > Karl
>> > 
>> > On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:38 AM, David McGlone wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Maybe it's not how the list is set up, but instead how people are
>> >> replying to the list.
>> > 
>> > Karl DeSaulniers
>> > Design Drumm
>> > http://designdrumm.com
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --
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>> > 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> I'm only on one other mailing list, but it behaves exactly the same as
> the php-general one. It makes sense really to me, as the email is coming
> from the person who wrote it, and it's behaving as if we're just bcc'd
> in as a list. I think the fault is with the email clients that don't
> understand mailing lists.
> 
> Incidentally, I saw someone mention the Evolution email client in this
> thread. It's what I use, and it does have a reply to list option (but I
> tend to be a bit lazy and hit reply to all as the option is in a menu
> and not on the toolbar :-/ )
> 
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

This is an oldie but I think it is still a goodie in respect of this
discussion.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[Peter Lind]

On 21 April 2010 12:38, David McGlone  wrote:
> Maybe it's not how the list is set up, but instead how people are
> replying to the list.

One would think that in a tech world where most programmers/developers
try to minimize the workload and "a good programmer is lazy" is seen
as meaningful and/or true, more people would get annoyed with having
to spend 5 seconds manually copying an email address from one field to
another when there is in fact a solution to this problem (and has been
for a very long time): proper setup of the mailing list with a
'reply-to' field. (and no, I don't think the possibilities of a
misconfigured OoO/autoreply is worth the hassle to the amount of
people using this mailing list - there are mail filters for things
like that).

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Re: [PHP] Want a answer about php-cgi

[Sharl.Jimh.Tsin]

added it,but still no found. 囧rz

Best regards,
Sharl.Jimh.Tsin



2010/4/21 Sharl.Jimh.Tsin :
> Sorry,i don't add it.
>
> and i can not find them in the ./configure --help context.
>
> does this string really exist?
>
> thankx a lot.
>
> Best regards,
> Sharl.Jimh.Tsin
>
>
>
> 2010/4/21 shiplu :
>> Did you try   --with-fastcgi or --enable-fastcgi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Sharl.Jimh.Tsin  
>> wrote:
>>> i can not find php-cgi file in the bin/sbin directory. WHY?
>>
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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[Ashley Sheridan]

On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 13:00 +0200, Nick Balestra wrote:

> Not really i think, because by replying it just direct reply to the OP, while 
> other systems like google groups for example by replying you just post to the 
> list, and actually make more sense.
> 
> the easy way is to hit reply and change the "to" into 
> php-general@lists.php.net or reply to all and replace "to" with the "cc". I 
> think the best practice is to take this 5 second to take care of this in 
> order to avoid duplicate message to others.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
> 
> > Exactly.
> > :)
> > 
> > Karl
> > 
> > On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:38 AM, David McGlone wrote:
> > 
> >> Maybe it's not how the list is set up, but instead how people are
> >> replying to the list.
> > 
> > Karl DeSaulniers
> > Design Drumm
> > http://designdrumm.com
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> > 
> 
> 


I'm only on one other mailing list, but it behaves exactly the same as
the php-general one. It makes sense really to me, as the email is coming
from the person who wrote it, and it's behaving as if we're just bcc'd
in as a list. I think the fault is with the email clients that don't
understand mailing lists.

Incidentally, I saw someone mention the Evolution email client in this
thread. It's what I use, and it does have a reply to list option (but I
tend to be a bit lazy and hit reply to all as the option is in a menu
and not on the toolbar :-/ )

Thanks,
Ash
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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[Nick Balestra]

Not really i think, because by replying it just direct reply to the OP, while 
other systems like google groups for example by replying you just post to the 
list, and actually make more sense.

the easy way is to hit reply and change the "to" into php-general@lists.php.net 
or reply to all and replace "to" with the "cc". I think the best practice is to 
take this 5 second to take care of this in order to avoid duplicate message to 
others.

cheers

Nick

On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:

> Exactly.
> :)
> 
> Karl
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:38 AM, David McGlone wrote:
> 
>> Maybe it's not how the list is set up, but instead how people are
>> replying to the list.
> 
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
> 
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Re: [PHP] Want a answer about php-cgi

[Sharl.Jimh.Tsin]

Sorry,i don't add it.

and i can not find them in the ./configure --help context.

does this string really exist?

thankx a lot.

Best regards,
Sharl.Jimh.Tsin



2010/4/21 shiplu :
> Did you try   --with-fastcgi or --enable-fastcgi
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Sharl.Jimh.Tsin  
> wrote:
>> i can not find php-cgi file in the bin/sbin directory. WHY?
>

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Re: [PHP] replying to list

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Exactly.
:)

Karl

On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:38 AM, David McGlone wrote:


Maybe it's not how the list is set up, but instead how people are
replying to the list.


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Re: [PHP] Want a answer about php-cgi

[shiplu]

Did you try   --with-fastcgi or --enable-fastcgi





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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Sharl.Jimh.Tsin  wrote:
> i can not find php-cgi file in the bin/sbin directory. WHY?

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