php-general Digest 7 Oct 2010 17:24:29 -0000 Issue 6977
php-general Digest 7 Oct 2010 17:24:29 - Issue 6977 Topics (messages 308527 through 308536): Re: daemon 308527 by: Nathan Nobbe 308530 by: Per Jessen 308532 by: Colin Guthrie 308533 by: Per Jessen Re: Vermis - new issue tracker in PHP 308528 by: Lukasz Cepowski Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand) 308529 by: Col Day 308531 by: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk 308534 by: Steve Staples tedd's Friday Post ($ per line) 308535 by: tedd 308536 by: Bastien Koert Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tommy Pham tommy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants) as part of your PHP application? If so, what are you using to schedule the script to run? cron? cron is one way to do it for scripts you schedule. for real daemon processes though ive recently deployed a php script on gentoo by leveraging the init scripts. essentially my program runs a while(true) and uses pcntl_fork() to create worker children. the parent process listens for signals which are sent by an init script. theres also a really nice start-stop-daemon function in the init script library which backgrounds the process for me and creates a pid lockfile. really slick. now i have an interface to my script like /etc/init.d/php-service start etc. plus it ties right into the runlevel scripts, i just run rc-update add php-service default and the script will start when the box hits runlevel 3! -nathan ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Tommy Pham wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants) as part of your PHP application? Yeah, several. If so, what are you using to schedule the script to run? cron? sysVinit and startproc -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- 'Twas brillig, and Nathan Nobbe at 07/10/10 06:46 did gyre and gimble: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tommy Pham tommy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants) as part of your PHP application? If so, what are you using to schedule the script to run? cron? cron is one way to do it for scripts you schedule. for real daemon processes though ive recently deployed a php script on gentoo by leveraging the init scripts. essentially my program runs a while(true) and uses pcntl_fork() to create worker children. the parent process listens for signals which are sent by an init script. theres also a really nice start-stop-daemon function in the init script library which backgrounds the process for me and creates a pid lockfile. really slick. now i have an interface to my script like /etc/init.d/php-service start etc. plus it ties right into the runlevel scripts, i just run rc-update add php-service default and the script will start when the box hits runlevel 3! Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything initscript related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers for a while. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mageia Contributor [http://www.mageia.org/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Colin Guthrie wrote: Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything initscript related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers for a while. Could easily be years - the init-sequence is only interesting at boot-time, and server runs for years (wel, mine certainly do). /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Hello, Actually I'm planning the 1.0 version of Vermis, if you have any suggestions what should be improved and changed please share. I'd very appreciate that kind of feedback. Feel free to download, test and use Vermis. Thanks, Lukasz (cepa) Cepowski DiabloWare :: Software from Hell! www.diabloware.com | www.cepowski.pl skype: lukasz.cepowski cell: +48 502 670 711 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Morning all, Apologies for the delay, I've just become a Dad for the first time so a little distracted! If I explain exactly what I am trying to do then it may become clear as to where I'm going wrong. Needless to say, new baby so want to show him off (Callum, 7lb4oz) so decided to buy a webname and pay for hosting, however money is a bit tight, so being adventurous (or stupid, not sure which yet) I set up apache on my
Re: [PHP] Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand)
It will only work if your listing supports php, but you should just be able to put the whole sure up on your hosting, give the upload directory the correct permissions ( its most likely a more secure Linux hosting than insecure windows hosting) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk - Reply message - From: Col Day colind...@aol.com Date: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 08:33 Subject: [PHP] Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand) To: php-general@lists.php.net Morning all, Apologies for the delay, I've just become a Dad for the first time so a little distracted! If I explain exactly what I am trying to do then it may become clear as to where I'm going wrong. Needless to say, new baby so want to show him off (Callum, 7lb4oz) so decided to buy a webname and pay for hosting, however money is a bit tight, so being adventurous (or stupid, not sure which yet) I set up apache on my laptop and started writing a website in Serif's WebPlus10. However I wanted to have an upload area on the site for friends and family to send their pictures of Callum (and the family and anything else they wanted) so there was a central store. However I tried to find some html to handle the upload of these files but wasn't able to work it out, google and various other bitsx of research on the net showed that I probably needed to run a script to do this and PHP seemed the simplest, so I downloaded PHP 5.3.3 and installed it. This is where it started getting tricky as I was using the PHP for dummies book from 2006. I typed that piece of code in (direct from the book) but added it as an html attachment into my site I was building. Uploaded the site to my localhost and had a look. I only got the HTML line from the script. This is where I started contacting you bunch of fine programmers! I have now learned that if I save the script as a .php file and navigate direct to it on localhost it works fine, but I think what I am trying to do is get it to work in an existing webpage so that I can then get my upload working. Any help you can offer from explanantions to whole bits of code will be greatly received! Many thanks! Steve Staples sstap...@mnsi.net wrote in message news:1286281586.4703.63.ca...@webdev01... Col: If i am reading this correctly, then i think you're looking at this all wrong. If you're working within some kind of page, stored outside of the http://localhost served by apache, like say the .php file is on the desktop... then yeah, you're not going to get the PHP information displayed. (tech people bare with me here...) PHP pages, are compiled when called... so you need apache to call php and translate the PHP code so that if there is any output, it will display that output. If you're trying to show a .php file from teh desktop, then apache isn't handeling this request, and therefor has no idea that there is php code that has to be compiled, and therefore it will just ignore it. I am sure that I am goign to get flamed for that, but i think that it kinda simplifies what apache does for php. NOW... you can run a php file from the command line, but you're not going to get the HTML results as you would had you ran if from the localhost where apache knows what to do with a .php file. So... long story short, if you want PHP to display the PHP stuff, then you will need to have it interpreted by apache (or IIS, or whatever your web server software is) to have it spit back to a web browser client. Hopefully this makes sense, it is early here, i am just getting into work :(, and it made sense while i was typing it... but my coffee intake has not had time to work it's wonderful magic with me yet, so my thoughts may be scattered. Steve On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 12:57 +0100, Col Day wrote: LOL! This is WITH xammp!! Gary php-gene...@garydjones.name wrote in message news:i8f26m$j4...@dough.gmane.org... Col Day wrote: Col Day colind...@aol.com wrote in message news:23.81.45586.2820b...@pb1.pair.com... html head titlePHP Test/title /head body pThis is an HTML line /p !-- close your tag, you evil man! :-) -- ?php echo pThis is a PHP line/p; phpinfo(); ? /body /html If I paste this into a webpage I only get the HTML line as before. What do you mean, webpage? foo.php, for example, or foo.html? If the latter then I am guessing your Apache will serve the page purely as html, and it will never be processed by php. If the former then check that Apache is configured to run php files through php before serving them (must admit, I'm not sure how to do that, it depends on your Apache and PHP). Or, really, just install xampp, it's by far the easiest way and will avoid all the problems associated with configuring two rather complex pieces of software. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: daemon
'Twas brillig, and Nathan Nobbe at 07/10/10 06:46 did gyre and gimble: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tommy Pham tommy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants) as part of your PHP application? If so, what are you using to schedule the script to run? cron? cron is one way to do it for scripts you schedule. for real daemon processes though ive recently deployed a php script on gentoo by leveraging the init scripts. essentially my program runs a while(true) and uses pcntl_fork() to create worker children. the parent process listens for signals which are sent by an init script. theres also a really nice start-stop-daemon function in the init script library which backgrounds the process for me and creates a pid lockfile. really slick. now i have an interface to my script like /etc/init.d/php-service start etc. plus it ties right into the runlevel scripts, i just run rc-update add php-service default and the script will start when the box hits runlevel 3! Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything initscript related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers for a while. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mageia Contributor [http://www.mageia.org/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: daemon
Colin Guthrie wrote: Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything initscript related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers for a while. Could easily be years - the init-sequence is only interesting at boot-time, and server runs for years (wel, mine certainly do). /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand)
Col: Congratulations on becoming a father!! As a father of 3 myself, I know the joys that infants bring :) As for your scripting issues, I would suggest that you save your files with the .php extension, and not the .html. The .php extension will tell the php compliler/parser/whatever and spit back the compiled php script. If you're looking to just have a photo gallery, there are many free/opensource gallery scripts out there that you can use. Mind you, there is no sense of accomplishment when you do it this way, but if you're unsure about security, and file injection/sql injection, then you may be better off using one of those, until you're further along in your book :) http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psyhl=enq=opesource+php +galleryaq=faqi=g-sx1g-o1aql=oq=gs_rfai=pbx=1fp=f85a0cf66583c3ac in the past, I set up coppermine for a friend of mine, and he said it works ok... but like I said, there are lots out there, and maybe consider using one of them for now, so you can spend more time with your new baby :) Steve. On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 09:00 +0100, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: It will only work if your listing supports php, but you should just be able to put the whole sure up on your hosting, give the upload directory the correct permissions ( its most likely a more secure Linux hosting than insecure windows hosting) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk - Reply message - From: Col Day colind...@aol.com Date: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 08:33 Subject: [PHP] Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand) To: php-general@lists.php.net Morning all, Apologies for the delay, I've just become a Dad for the first time so a little distracted! If I explain exactly what I am trying to do then it may become clear as to where I'm going wrong. Needless to say, new baby so want to show him off (Callum, 7lb4oz) so decided to buy a webname and pay for hosting, however money is a bit tight, so being adventurous (or stupid, not sure which yet) I set up apache on my laptop and started writing a website in Serif's WebPlus10. However I wanted to have an upload area on the site for friends and family to send their pictures of Callum (and the family and anything else they wanted) so there was a central store. However I tried to find some html to handle the upload of these files but wasn't able to work it out, google and various other bitsx of research on the net showed that I probably needed to run a script to do this and PHP seemed the simplest, so I downloaded PHP 5.3.3 and installed it. This is where it started getting tricky as I was using the PHP for dummies book from 2006. I typed that piece of code in (direct from the book) but added it as an html attachment into my site I was building. Uploaded the site to my localhost and had a look. I only got the HTML line from the script. This is where I started contacting you bunch of fine programmers! I have now learned that if I save the script as a .php file and navigate direct to it on localhost it works fine, but I think what I am trying to do is get it to work in an existing webpage so that I can then get my upload working. Any help you can offer from explanantions to whole bits of code will be greatly received! Many thanks! Steve Staples sstap...@mnsi.net wrote in message news:1286281586.4703.63.ca...@webdev01... Col: If i am reading this correctly, then i think you're looking at this all wrong. If you're working within some kind of page, stored outside of the http://localhost served by apache, like say the .php file is on the desktop... then yeah, you're not going to get the PHP information displayed. (tech people bare with me here...) PHP pages, are compiled when called... so you need apache to call php and translate the PHP code so that if there is any output, it will display that output. If you're trying to show a .php file from teh desktop, then apache isn't handeling this request, and therefor has no idea that there is php code that has to be compiled, and therefore it will just ignore it. I am sure that I am goign to get flamed for that, but i think that it kinda simplifies what apache does for php. NOW... you can run a php file from the command line, but you're not going to get the HTML results as you would had you ran if from the localhost where apache knows what to do with a .php file. So... long story short, if you want PHP to display the PHP stuff, then you will need to have it interpreted by apache (or IIS, or whatever your web server software is) to have it spit back to a web browser client. Hopefully this makes sense, it is early here, i am just getting into work :(, and it made sense while i was typing it... but my coffee intake has not had time to work it's wonderful magic with me yet, so my thoughts may be scattered. Steve On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 12:57 +0100, Col Day
[PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
Hi gang: Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual lines of code the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your line of code? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang: Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual lines of code the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your line of code? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I bet it wasn't much., $.10 (ten cents) per line? -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
On 10-10-07 01:20 PM, tedd wrote: Hi gang: Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual lines of code the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your line of code? This is a poor system for evaluation. Some lines are worth MUCH, MUCH more than others. Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
I'm not sure this is even worth answering. The question isn't how many lines of code were written but percentage of the project completed. If he estimated 8 months, worked for 4 months, and was 50% done, he should get half his estimate. Hourly rates wouldn't come into it unless the client thought it would be cheaper to simply pay him for his time rather then the bid. Subject the following to my poor legal knowledge: I would also guess that if he was under contract with a company to provide a product for a set dollar amount then wouldn't the company be forced to complete it's half so to speak? Regards, -Josh Joshua Kehn | josh.k...@gmail.com http://joshuakehn.com On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:20 PM, tedd wrote: Hi gang: Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual lines of code the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your line of code? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 13:20, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang: Hi, Tedd! What's it like over there in Australia, where it's already Friday? ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
At 1:30 PM -0400 10/7/10, Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 13:20, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang: Hi, Tedd! What's it like over there in Australia, where it's already Friday? ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown LOL I'm sorry -- I seldom know what day it is. I honestly thought it was Friday. So much for me knowing what's going on, huh? That's one of the dangers of working for yourself, you seldom realize what day today is. When I used to visit the mall (I don't now), some days I would say Gee, it's really crowded today and my wife would answer Certainly, it's Saturday. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: SEO Experts?
A good thread and really good answers/posts are coming but in my humble opinion this topic does not suit php-general list or atleast we should focus on the points where php can play a role :) On M, buton, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM, j...@johnallsopp.co.uk wrote: On 9/26/2010 8:09 AM, David Mehler wrote: Hello, Do we have any SEO experts on this list? I'm not one, learning only, reading a book and a few articles/tutorials from webmasters, and I'm wanting to optimize an existing site to get the best search rank possible. Some techniques, dos and don'ts would be appreciated. Thanks. Dave. Sure, it's what I do. Well first you need to work out which keyphrases to optimise for, and that's not obvious. Search Google for keyword tool external to find a Google tool that tells you something about the demand for a phrase and the competition for it. What you are trying to find are phrases that a) are very very relevant to your client, b) have lots of demand traffic, and c) don't have too much competition. The other thing to check is whether anyone else is making money at your selected phrases, so search for them in Google and see if people are advertising. Then group your phrases: so wet dog becomes a keyphrase group that includes phrases like getting rid of wet dog smell, avoiding wet dog shake and so on. You are building a site to satisfy the keyphrase groups you've identified, so then one way or another you want a wet dog page that's optimised for that phrase, which means you mention wet dog a few times especially in the headline and page title and don't mention lots of other things. Then you want some links from other people's pages, Twitter, Delicious, YouTube and so on to your wet dog page, preferably text links that include the phrase wet dog. Then you watch your Analytics data to check that people who arrive on your site are satisfied and covert into sales (or signups or whatever you are doing). If not, you run a Google Website Optimizer test to improve things like your headline, photos and so on. If you like, run through http://www.flowmarketing.co.uk and fill in the form where you get stuck. It's obviously a work in progress :-) and I'll complete the page that you end up at. By all means email me the website and I can be more specific. Good luck :-) Cheers J http://www.johnallsopp.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Zareef Ahmed http://www.zareef.net
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
Surely it would have been a bit more sensible to work out the time the programmer had spent on the project and then calculate it as a percentage of the total time that programmer would spend on it to complete it (which might not be the whole duration of the project) Also, counting code lines seems unfair. I know it used to be this way, but its a bit like paying firemen based on the number of fires they put out; don't be surprised if arson figures go up! I would guess though that this fellow likely had to pay some of that initial outlay of cash back though, and would further assume the total price attributed to each line was no more than 3 or 4 cents (damb English androids don't have the cent character) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk - Reply message - From: tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 18:20 Subject: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line) To: php-general@lists.php.net Hi gang: Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done. The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who was due what. You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months. The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do. The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual lines of code the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid? And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your line of code? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
In the case payment does come down to lines of code written I'm already covered.
if( count 5)
{
/* Bracing Style
}
Regards,
-Josh
Joshua Kehn | josh.k...@gmail.com
http://joshuakehn.com
On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:50 PM, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
Surely it would have been a bit more sensible to work out the time the
programmer had spent on the project and then calculate it as a percentage of
the total time that programmer would spend on it to complete it (which might
not be the whole duration of the project)
Also, counting code lines seems unfair. I know it used to be this way, but
its a bit like paying firemen based on the number of fires they put out;
don't be surprised if arson figures go up!
I would guess though that this fellow likely had to pay some of that initial
outlay of cash back though, and would further assume the total price
attributed to each line was no more than 3 or 4 cents (damb English androids
don't have the cent character)
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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From: tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 18:20
Subject: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Hi gang:
Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers
work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work
done.
The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a
programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted
to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone
had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties
were trying to figure out who was due what.
You see, the original client had been taken over by another company
who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new
company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the
programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to
start the project. However, while the project had not been finished,
the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months.
The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new
client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid
and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.
The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual
lines of code the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all
of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote
and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this
case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do
you think he was paid?
And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your
line of code?
Cheers,
tedd
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Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 14:04, Joshua Kehn josh.k...@gmail.com wrote:
In the case payment does come down to lines of code written I'm already
covered.
if( count 5)
{
/* Bracing Style
}
PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant count - assumed 'count' on line 1
PHP Warning: Unterminated comment starting line 3 on line 3
PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end on line 4
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Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
I guess that's what I get for spending the last four weeks developing with
JavaScript and Node.js.
Regards,
-Josh
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On Oct 7, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Daniel P. Brown wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 14:04, Joshua Kehn josh.k...@gmail.com wrote:
In the case payment does come down to lines of code written I'm already
covered.
if( count 5)
{
/* Bracing Style
}
PHP Notice: Use of undefined constant count - assumed 'count' on line 1
PHP Warning: Unterminated comment starting line 3 on line 3
PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end on line 4
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Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
On 10-10-07 02:04 PM, Joshua Kehn wrote:
In the case payment does come down to lines of code written I'm already covered.
if( count 5)
{
/* Bracing Style
}
I hope your $count var is being incremented properly under this model:
?php
function increment( $count )
{
$count = 0;
if( $count == 0 )
{
$count = 1;
}
else
if( $count == 1 )
{
$count = 2;
}
else
if( $count == 2 )
{
$count = 3;
}
else
if( $count == 3 )
{
$count = 4;
}
else
if( $count == 4 )
{
$count = 5;
}
else
{
throw new Exception( 'Increment out of bounds' );
}
}
?
Just think how much money could be made if you need to support large
datasets!!! CHAA-CHING!
Cheers,
Rob.
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[PHP] Array / form processing
I am writing a custom shopping cart that eventually the cart will be
uploaded to PayPal for payment. I need to be able to include the option
that the purchase is a gift certificate.
At present my add to cart function goes like this:
===
# Gift Certificate: 1 is a gift; 2 is personal use
if ( $gift_certificate == yes ) {
$gift = 1;
} else {
$gift = 2;
}
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] =
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] + 1;
===
Now I need to display the shopping cart contents. I want to do this
through an array as the contents of the shopping cart are in a session
variable. I start displaying the shopping cart contents by a FOREACH
loop:
===
foreach ($_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] AS $coaching_fee_theme_reference
= $value ) {
===
What I need help with is that I don't know how to test the value of $gift
in the above array if it is a 1 or 2 (which symbolizes this is a gift
certificate).
I have something like this in mind:
if ( $_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] == 2 ) {
But I don't know how to access all the components of the array while I am
going through the FOREACH loop.
By using a 1 or 2 I have made gift certificates their own product. If
you a better method I could use please provide me with this feedback.
Ron
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Re: [PHP] Array / form processing
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] =
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] + 1;
===
...
===
foreach ($_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] AS $coaching_fee_theme_reference
= $value ) {
===
In this example $value would be an array. To test if it is a gift or not you
would do this from within the foreach loop:
//gift
if ( isset($value[1]) isset($value[1]['quantity']) )
{
$gift_quantity = $value[1]['quantity'];
}
//personal use
if ( isset($value[2]) isset($value[2]['quantity']) )
{
$personal_quantity = $value[2]['quantity'];
}
Technically the above IF's are optional, but they are proper syntax.
I don't know how you are with OOP, but you may have more luck using objects
instead of a complex array.
Chris H.
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Ron Piggott
ron.pigg...@actsministries.orgwrote:
I am writing a custom shopping cart that eventually the cart will be
uploaded to PayPal for payment. I need to be able to include the option
that the purchase is a gift certificate.
At present my add to cart function goes like this:
===
# Gift Certificate: 1 is a gift; 2 is personal use
if ( $gift_certificate == yes ) {
$gift = 1;
} else {
$gift = 2;
}
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] =
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] + 1;
===
Now I need to display the shopping cart contents. I want to do this
through an array as the contents of the shopping cart are in a session
variable. I start displaying the shopping cart contents by a FOREACH
loop:
===
foreach ($_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] AS $coaching_fee_theme_reference
= $value ) {
===
What I need help with is that I don't know how to test the value of $gift
in the above array if it is a 1 or 2 (which symbolizes this is a gift
certificate).
I have something like this in mind:
if ( $_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] == 2 ) {
But I don't know how to access all the components of the array while I am
going through the FOREACH loop.
By using a 1 or 2 I have made gift certificates their own product. If
you a better method I could use please provide me with this feedback.
Ron
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Re: [PHP] Array / form processing
Many thanks, Chris.
I have one additional question about this shopping cart project. I need
to make a submit button for the purpose of removing an item from the
shopping cart.
input type=submit name=submit value=Remove class=place_order/
What I am struggling with is to find an effective method for passing the
product serial number (auto_increment in the table it is stored in) so I
know which product the user is removing from their purchase. Then I will
just unset the session variable that matches.
What are your suggestion(s)?
Thank you your help with my original question Chris.
Ron
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] =
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] + 1;
===
...
===
foreach ($_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] AS $coaching_fee_theme_reference
= $value ) {
===
In this example $value would be an array. To test if it is a gift or not
you
would do this from within the foreach loop:
//gift
if ( isset($value[1]) isset($value[1]['quantity']) )
{
$gift_quantity = $value[1]['quantity'];
}
//personal use
if ( isset($value[2]) isset($value[2]['quantity']) )
{
$personal_quantity = $value[2]['quantity'];
}
Technically the above IF's are optional, but they are proper syntax.
I don't know how you are with OOP, but you may have more luck using
objects
instead of a complex array.
Chris H.
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Ron Piggott
ron.pigg...@actsministries.orgwrote:
I am writing a custom shopping cart that eventually the cart will be
uploaded to PayPal for payment. I need to be able to include the option
that the purchase is a gift certificate.
At present my add to cart function goes like this:
===
# Gift Certificate: 1 is a gift; 2 is personal use
if ( $gift_certificate == yes ) {
$gift = 1;
} else {
$gift = 2;
}
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] =
$_SESSION['life_coaching_order'][$product][$gift]['quantity'] + 1;
===
Now I need to display the shopping cart contents. I want to do this
through an array as the contents of the shopping cart are in a session
variable. I start displaying the shopping cart contents by a FOREACH
loop:
===
foreach ($_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] AS
$coaching_fee_theme_reference
= $value ) {
===
What I need help with is that I don't know how to test the value of
$gift
in the above array if it is a 1 or 2 (which symbolizes this is a gift
certificate).
I have something like this in mind:
if ( $_SESSION['life_coaching_order'] == 2 ) {
But I don't know how to access all the components of the array while I
am
going through the FOREACH loop.
By using a 1 or 2 I have made gift certificates their own product.
If
you a better method I could use please provide me with this feedback.
Ron
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Re: [PHP] Array / form processing
input type=submit name=submit value=Remove class=place_order/ I don't know what the context is like, but you may be better off just using an entire form here with hidden fields. i.e. form target=... action=... input type=hidden name=submit value=Remove / input type=hidden name=product_so value=1234 / input type=submit value=Remove class=place_order/ /form Without knowing what else is going on in your page, and how the request is being handled on the server, it's kind of hard to give exact advice. :) Chris H.
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
At 6:50 PM +0100 10/7/10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Surely it would have been a bit more sensible to work out the time the programmer had spent on the project and then calculate it as a percentage of the total time that programmer would spend on it to complete it (which might not be the whole duration of the project) Also, counting code lines seems unfair. I know it used to be this way, but its a bit like paying firemen based on the number of fires they put out; don't be surprised if arson figures go up! I would guess though that this fellow likely had to pay some of that initial outlay of cash back though, and would further assume the total price attributed to each line was no more than 3 or 4 cents (damb English androids don't have the cent character) Thanks, Ash As I said, this was a case that I worked on several years ago (20+). I was not the programmer, but rather a consultant for an attorney. The programmer wanted to have his payment based upon the hours he put it, but the client wanted proof of the programmers effort. Both were understandable positions. Considering that the programmers effort did not work, and there were no time clocks showing the actual hours the programmer worked, the solution centered on an evaluation of the end-product. That evaluation reduced to the amount of code written, which boiled down to lines of code. Granted, as Rob said, some lines are worth more than others, but overall a case was made to pay a certain amount per line. Now, back to the question at hand -- what price would you sell a line of your code for? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
$100 a line. If you want more then one line let's meet and go over the project. I might give a significant discount. Regards, -Josh Joshua Kehn | josh.k...@gmail.com http://joshuakehn.com On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:51 PM, tedd wrote: At 6:50 PM +0100 10/7/10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Surely it would have been a bit more sensible to work out the time the programmer had spent on the project and then calculate it as a percentage of the total time that programmer would spend on it to complete it (which might not be the whole duration of the project) Also, counting code lines seems unfair. I know it used to be this way, but its a bit like paying firemen based on the number of fires they put out; don't be surprised if arson figures go up! I would guess though that this fellow likely had to pay some of that initial outlay of cash back though, and would further assume the total price attributed to each line was no more than 3 or 4 cents (damb English androids don't have the cent character) Thanks, Ash As I said, this was a case that I worked on several years ago (20+). I was not the programmer, but rather a consultant for an attorney. The programmer wanted to have his payment based upon the hours he put it, but the client wanted proof of the programmers effort. Both were understandable positions. Considering that the programmers effort did not work, and there were no time clocks showing the actual hours the programmer worked, the solution centered on an evaluation of the end-product. That evaluation reduced to the amount of code written, which boiled down to lines of code. Granted, as Rob said, some lines are worth more than others, but overall a case was made to pay a certain amount per line. Now, back to the question at hand -- what price would you sell a line of your code for? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:51 PM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:50 PM +0100 10/7/10, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Surely it would have been a bit more sensible to work out the time the programmer had spent on the project and then calculate it as a percentage of the total time that programmer would spend on it to complete it (which might not be the whole duration of the project) Also, counting code lines seems unfair. I know it used to be this way, but its a bit like paying firemen based on the number of fires they put out; don't be surprised if arson figures go up! I would guess though that this fellow likely had to pay some of that initial outlay of cash back though, and would further assume the total price attributed to each line was no more than 3 or 4 cents (damb English androids don't have the cent character) Thanks, Ash As I said, this was a case that I worked on several years ago (20+). I was not the programmer, but rather a consultant for an attorney. The programmer wanted to have his payment based upon the hours he put it, but the client wanted proof of the programmers effort. Both were understandable positions. Considering that the programmers effort did not work, and there were no time clocks showing the actual hours the programmer worked, the solution centered on an evaluation of the end-product. That evaluation reduced to the amount of code written, which boiled down to lines of code. Granted, as Rob said, some lines are worth more than others, but overall a case was made to pay a certain amount per line. Now, back to the question at hand -- what price would you sell a line of your code for? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Dr Evil Laugh One Beelyon Dollars -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Class mysqli not found
Hi Steve I've uninstalled PHP5.3.3 and re-installed PHP5.2.14. Everything now works! Best wishes and thanks to everyone for their help and input. tholland - Original Message - From: Steve Staples sstap...@mnsi.net To: sueandant hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: PHP php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Class mysqli not found On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 21:00 +0100, sueandant wrote: I'm still fighting a losing battle in my attempts to get PHP speak to mysqli. I can access MySql via the prompt. Apache and PHP are installed and working. In Apache's config file PHPIniDir is set to C:\php, which is where I unzipped the binary download files, and set LoadModule php5_module C:\php\php5apache2_2.dll. In php.ini I have uncommented the mysql.dll and mysqli.dll extensions and set extension_dir = C:\php\ext\. I have edited the environment variables to include C:\php and C:php\ext. I am running Vista Home Premium 32 bit with SP2, Apache 2.2, PHP 5.3.3 and MySql Server 5.1. What have I missed? How are you connecting to the mysql? What does your connection string look like from your php file? Can you cut and paste it here for us to trouble shoot (if it is the apache-php-mysql connection problem) Steve -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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