RE: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
-Original Message- From: Tedd Sperling [mailto:t...@sperling.com] Sent: 19 July 2012 18:27 To: php-general@lists.php.net General Subject: [PHP] What do you call the end-user? What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I call them the end-user, but others have stated other terms, such as customer or user. Cheers, tedd t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com I suppose if you're working in Agile, you could also call them Stakeholders or the Product Owner. Personally if I'm feeling a bit cheeky I'll go with Muggle - (thanks to J K Rowling!) - people just don't appreciate the magic involved behind the scenes in usability, infrastructure, application logic etc. Thanks Adam. = This email is intended solely for the recipient and is confidential and not for third party unauthorised distribution. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this email, please notify the author by replying to this email or notifying the system manager (online.secur...@hl.co.uk). If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Hargreaves Lansdown. In addition, staff are not authorised to enter into any contract through email and therefore nothing contained herein should be construed as such. Hargreaves Lansdown makes no warranty as to the accuracy or completeness of any information contained within this email. In particular, Hargreaves Lansdown does not accept responsibility for any changes made to this email after it was sent. Hargreaves Lansdown Asset Management Limited (Company Registration No 1896481), Hargreaves Lansdown Fund Managers Limited (No 2707155), Hargreaves Lansdown Pensions Direct Limited (No 3509545) and Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers Limited (No 1822701) are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority and registered in England and Wales. The registered office for all companies is One College Square South, Anchor Road, Bristol, BS1 5HL. Telephone: 0117 988 9880 __ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com __
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On Jul 20, 2012, at 0:59, Adam Nicholls adam.nicho...@hl.co.uk wrote: Personally if I'm feeling a bit cheeky I'll go with Muggle - (thanks to J K Rowling!) - people just don't appreciate the magic involved behind the scenes in usability, infrastructure, application logic etc. Wow. I really, really (, really) hate to admit it, but that actually fits extremely well. Damn. -- Bob Williams Notice: This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or if you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the e-mail and the attachments (if any). -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus
On Jul 19, 2012 8:31 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: As an aside on the subject of jQuery, our very own Jay Blanchard has written a comprehensive book on the topic entitled Applied jQuery: Develop and Design: http://links.parasane.net/92xb Just bought it -- thanks. I'll add it to my other three jQuery books Always support the people on this list. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I have to ask, is it available in a non-DRMed shook format?
Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus
On Jul 20, 2012 9:20 AM, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2012 8:31 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: As an aside on the subject of jQuery, our very own Jay Blanchard has written a comprehensive book on the topic entitled Applied jQuery: Develop and Design: http://links.parasane.net/92xb Just bought it -- thanks. I'll add it to my other three jQuery books Always support the people on this list. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I have to ask, is it available in a non-DRMed shook format? Ok, so shook is what ebook autocorrects to
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:04:30AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax itself. In my opinion, VAT is worse than direct income tax. The only good thing about VAT is that you (presumably) don't have to file returns with every state/province involved. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
-Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 4:05 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php This sounds more like a business annoyance than an internet freedom problem, but okay. Technically, in the US, I thought it is the end-consumer that needs to pay a sales tax to the state where they live. Consumer retail businesses are required to tack them on at the point of sale as a convenience for both the consumer and the government, then pass the money on. The seller only pays taxes, to the municipality(s) where their business is physically located, based on their net profit. So the sales tax itself does not come out of the company's pocket. The company bears the cost of tracking, processing, and forwarding the taxes to the government(s) involved, but that is a deductible expense. Sales taxes are a tedious, but not costly, normal business expense. Really, how hard is it for computer savvy people to sort their sales transactions by customer's state and sum up the sales tax amounts paid so they can write a check every quarter. Many businesses would be happy to have to mail 50 checks every quarter, one to each state. That means they are making sales in every state! That sounds like a profitable business to me. And as far as filling out 50 sales and use tax forms each quarter, they have these things called computers now that make pulling in data and printing forms happen at the touch of a button. Maybe some enterprising programmer could write software to do just that and sell it on the internet. We need to stop playing idealistic revolutionary and help shape real solutions. The fact that you are allowed to run a business on the internet is the internet freedom you are looking for. You have won the revolution! Now, deal with the realities of running a business. Putting your business on the internet should not be a magic pass to avoid the costs of doing business. We need to admit we are part of the system and figure out a streamlined way for internet businesses to pay their fair share. The Free in free economy does not mean it doesn't cost money, time, effort, etc. to do business. The internet is not a magic cloud run by fairy dust. The internet was created by military and higher educational systems, both tax supported entities. Corporations and governments maintain the infrastructure that keeps the internet working. Without governments and corporations there would be no internet. They are the internet. The alternative is to go back to ham radios. Sorry for the rant, this is a hot button topic for me. Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Creating drop-down menus
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:21 AM, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2012 9:20 AM, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2012 8:31 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: As an aside on the subject of jQuery, our very own Jay Blanchard has written a comprehensive book on the topic entitled Applied jQuery: Develop and Design: http://links.parasane.net/92xb Just bought it -- thanks. I'll add it to my other three jQuery books Always support the people on this list. I have to ask, is it available in a non-DRMed shook format? Ok, so shook is what ebook autocorrects to Not sure. Jay, can you address Tamara's question? -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Paul M Foster wrote: There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax itself. In my opinion, VAT is worse than direct income tax. The only good thing about VAT is that you (presumably) don't have to file returns with every state/province involved. The EU does have VAT sorted nicely across all the states of Europe, and I simply fill in a VAT return each quarter in the UK. For VAT registered European customers we simply bill them 0% rated, so there is no need for cross border paperwork at all. But European customers who are not VAT registered pay the rate of of the country the supplier is based in, which gives some small plus and minus advantages. Anything that comes into Europe through proper channels will also have VAT added as part of 'customs charges' and businesses simply claim it back, hence the irritation at supply channels bypassing the normal trade routes :( In theory those goods should have had VAT paid when they came into a European warehouse, so it would be nice to know what loophole they use to avoid it ;) And at least VAT only applies when I spend money, higher income tax would hit everything I earn ... but this is getting very much off topic for the list, as 'The Cat Signal' is anyway in my book. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What do you call the end-user?
On 19 Jul 2012 at 18:26, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote: First question: What do you call the people who ultimately use your code? I expect I'll call her Dear. See, my app, a replacement for Eudora, is used by yours truly only at the mo. However, come time to upgrade SWMBO's Mini, which will run Lion or perhaps ML, Eudora will cease to function and I'll move her onto my app. This question transcends your code working correctly, accurately, and securely -- no need to comment on those aspects. But rather more specifically do you consider how easily your whomever can use your work efforts? In principle, yes. But that's a bit hard at the moment. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
