RE: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]

2004-03-31 Thread Michael Egan
John,

I agree with you but when I first looked at this I too thought there was some way of 
doing this in php which might look more elegant. Seeing urls such as 
www.mydomain.com/index.php?article_id=2id=e5t28er647ryh362hy67eh4563yh4635 looks 
fairly cumbersome and I'm sure I've seen something about problems with some of the 
search engines where session id's are included in urls.

On seeing that the only way of doing this was to use frames I decided that the costs 
of doing this probably outweighed what is in effect a purely cosmetic issue.

Regards,

Michael Egan

 -Original Message-
 From: John W. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 31 March 2004 14:59
 To: Will; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]
 
 
 From: Will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Thanks everyone! :)  I was not sure what it was called.
 
  Thanks again,
  ~WILL~
  PS: Sorry I thought you could do something in PHP.
 
 Don't think for a second that you're actually hiding anything 
 here. The only
 people you'll fool are newbies browsing the web. While 
 there are a lot of
 them, those are probably not the people you're looking to 
 hide information
 from.
 
 ---John Holmes...
 
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RE: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]

2004-03-31 Thread Matt Matijevich
snip
I agree with you but when I first looked at this I too thought there
was some way of doing this in php which might look more elegant. Seeing
urls such as
www.mydomain.com/index.php?article_id=2id=e5t28er647ryh362hy67eh4563yh4635
looks fairly cumbersome and I'm sure I've seen something about problems
with some of the search engines where session id's are included in
urls.
/snip

If you use apache you could try these links

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/urls/
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/succeed/

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RE: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]

2004-03-31 Thread Aaron Wolski
 On seeing that the only way of doing this was to use frames I decided
that
 the costs of doing this probably outweighed what is in effect a purely
 cosmetic issue.

Never ever underestimate the cosmetic factor when you are talking
about Usability and search engines.

For example, if you are developing an ecommerce site - you have to think
about your users/customers.

In my testing and research, I have found that a large percentage of
users will not bookmark URLS that look like:

http://www.domain.com?id=1232subcat=32prodId=165412 

They will, however, be more apt to bookmark URLS that look like:

http://www.domain.com/shirts/white/flanel_button_down/

Why are users more apt to bookmark the latter? They make sense to the
user.

If you want people to come back to your site, bookmark your pages, and
forward pages along to their friends... you gotta think like they do.
You have to use URLs that make sense to THEM - not you.

Search engine marketing is another factor to usable URLs.

Just my thoughts.

Aaron

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Re: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]

2004-03-31 Thread John W. Holmes
From: Michael Egan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I agree with you but when I first looked at this I too
 thought there was some way of doing this in php
 which might look more elegant. Seeing urls such
 as
www.mydomain.com/index.php?article_id=2id=e5t28er647ryh362hy67eh4563yh4635
 looks fairly cumbersome and I'm sure I've seen something
 about problems with some of the search engines where
 session id's are included in urls.

Do a search for search engine friendly URLs or somethig along those lines
to see how to fix this. Using frames is not a very elegant solution. I'm not
sure how/if search engines will index your pages if you have frames.

---John Holmes...

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RE: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]

2004-03-31 Thread Michael Egan
Matt,

Many thanks for these excellent links - I think I might have reached a different 
conclusion if I'd come across these at the outset.

Cheers,

Michael Egan

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Matijevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 31 March 2004 15:11
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]
 
 
 snip
 I agree with you but when I first looked at this I too thought there
 was some way of doing this in php which might look more 
 elegant. Seeing
 urls such as
 www.mydomain.com/index.php?article_id=2id=e5t28er647ryh362hy6
7eh4563yh4635
 looks fairly cumbersome and I'm sure I've seen something 
 about problems
 with some of the search engines where session id's are included in
 urls.
 /snip
 
 If you use apache you could try these links
 
 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/urls/
 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/succeed/
 
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RE: [PHP] Hinding URL{ot}[Scanned]

2004-03-31 Thread Aaron Wolski
 -Original Message-
 From: John W. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Do a search for search engine friendly URLs or somethig along those
 lines to see how to fix this. Using frames is not a very elegant
solution.  I'm not sure how/if search engines will index your pages if
you have   frames.

They will, however, careful planning and proper coding must be taken
into account to ensure when a page is indexed in Google - for example -
that it's not a loner' page or that when the user clicks the link found
it will not be void of the design teamplte.

Not impossible, but more work in the short-term.

HTH

Aaron 



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