RE: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
From: Paul M Foster On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 05:49:43PM -0200, Manuel Lemos wrote: on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following: It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive. Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community? Here's a free suggestion. You don't even have to give me a prize. You know those random words which are underlined on that page, and when you mouse over them, you get the random advertisement on a completely unrelated subject, which also emits a *sound* on my computer? Get rid of them completely. They are beyond annoying. I get that you need to make money with this site, but those obnoxious ads are the exact opposite wrong way to do it. When I first looked at the site, I did not see any of these problems. But then I took a look at the page source and quickly figured out I already have the solution. 1. Install Firefox. 2. Install the NoScript add-on. 3. Under NoScript options, clean out the default white list, removing all of the .com sites. 4. Still in the options, on the Embedded tab, forbid everything except iframes. But, then again, maybe you want to forbid iframes as well. Then, as you browse, decide where and when to allow these features. I always do it on a temporary basis per site, so they get disabled again each time I start up the browser. By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: td attribute width has invalid value 49.5%'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.) Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Bob McConnell wrote: By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: td attribute width has invalid value 49.5%'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.) Excellent, thanks for the info. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: td attribute width has invalid value 49.5%'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.) Excellent, thanks for the info. Cheers, Rob. Rob: I just bookmark the following in my browser: javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org/check?uri='+document.location) Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark. Cheers, tedd PS: While I would not have said it like you did, but I agree with your opinion as to the web site. It is confusing as to what's what? Too much advertising, IMO. -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
From: tedd At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: td attribute width has invalid value 49.5%'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.) Excellent, thanks for the info. Cheers, Rob. Rob: I just bookmark the following in my browser: javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org/check?uri='+d ocument.location) Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark. That doesn't work for servers inside our intranet, which are private and therefore not accessible outside our firewalls or VPNs. That would include all of our internal support, development and QA sites, as well as my family's servers within the family VPN. The HTML Validator add-on uses the same parsers as the w3c sites however. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
tedd wrote: At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: td attribute width has invalid value 49.5%'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.) Excellent, thanks for the info. Cheers, Rob. Rob: I just bookmark the following in my browser: javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org/check?uri='+document.location) Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark. I use the W3 validator all the time... but it's a pain in the rear cutting and pasting the page source when the content is behind a firewall or requires a user login. Additionally, some of the material I work with requires clearance and it would be a breach of security for me to paste it to a public site. If my evaluation of this plugin produces no issues then it will be useful in my day to day job and from what I see it is much MUCH more convenient than linking to the W3 site :) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
At 11:40 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote: tedd wrote: At 9:24 AM -0400 10/29/09, Robert Cummings wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: By the way, HTML Validator, another FF add-on I recommend every developer install, shows a number of warnings on that site, similar to 'line 115 column 1 - Warning: td attribute width has invalid value 49.5%'. (NOTE: If you are on Linux, the FF add-on site incorrectly states this add-on is not available. But when you go to the home site for the add-on, there are Linux versions to install.) Excellent, thanks for the info. Cheers, Rob. Rob: I just bookmark the following in my browser: javascript:void(document.location='http://validator.w3.org/check?uri='+document.location) Then when I want to validate anything, I just use that bookmark. I use the W3 validator all the time... but it's a pain in the rear cutting and pasting the page source when the content is behind a firewall or requires a user login. Additionally, some of the material I work with requires clearance and it would be a breach of security for me to paste it to a public site. If my evaluation of this plugin produces no issues then it will be useful in my day to day job and from what I see it is much MUCH more convenient than linking to the W3 site :) Cheers, Rob. I see -- working from my environment is much simpler. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Hello, on 10/22/2009 11:28 AM resea soul said the following: Hi, I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly. Can you give me any suggestions. If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can find a solution that works on Windows: http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Find and post PHP jobs http://www.phpclasses.org/jobs/ PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 10/22/2009 11:28 AM resea soul said the following: Hi, I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly. Can you give me any suggestions. If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can find a solution that works on Windows: http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 15:24 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 10/22/2009 11:28 AM resea soul said the following: Hi, I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly. Can you give me any suggestions. If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can find a solution that works on Windows: http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP Oh dear, it does look like that doesn't it! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Hello, on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following: I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly. Can you give me any suggestions. If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can find a solution that works on Windows: http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive. Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community? You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what others do. http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-redesign-proposal-for-the-contest.html -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Find and post PHP jobs http://www.phpclasses.org/jobs/ PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following: I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly. Can you give me any suggestions. If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can find a solution that works on Windows: http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive. If I had called you names or made threats you could call me aggressive. However, I merely stated my opinion. Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community? You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what others do. As much as would like to do so... I'm currently up to my eyeballs steeped in work and 3 young children. http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-redesign-proposal-for-the-contest.html Well there we go... if I had known such a thing existed I would have kept mum on the issue... but here we are... and there you are... and... LOOK A SQUIRREL *points over there*... *runs the other way*. Anyways, aggression not intended, personal opinion merely provided in a colourful manner. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 05:49:43PM -0200, Manuel Lemos wrote: Hello, on 10/28/2009 05:24 PM Robert Cummings said the following: I want to be able to get a screenshot of a given website on the fly. Can you give me any suggestions. If you are still looking at solutions for this problem, here you can find a solution that works on Windows: http://www.phpclasses.org/win-screenshot Here is another that works on Linux and any platform that supports PHP-Gtk: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive. Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community? You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what others do. http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-redesign-proposal-for-the-contest.html Here's a free suggestion. You don't even have to give me a prize. You know those random words which are underlined on that page, and when you mouse over them, you get the random advertisement on a completely unrelated subject, which also emits a *sound* on my computer? Get rid of them completely. They are beyond annoying. I get that you need to make money with this site, but those obnoxious ads are the exact opposite wrong way to do it. Also, while I wouldn't have expressed it quite as crassly as Robert, I have to agree on his evaluation of the site's look. I have a logon on your site and have been to it many times. I just figured you liked it like that. But in truth, it needs a serious and complete makeover. But like Robert, I have no end of things to take care of, quite outside of redisigning phpclasses.net. I'd suggest you scrap the contest and go find a good free CSS template. But that's just me. And just for the record, I'm really not ragging on you. PHPClasses.net is the only site of its kind I know of. There is an endless variety of code for almost anything you could want to do in PHP. That's why I maintain a login there. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Manuel Lemos wrote: http://www.phpclasses.org/gtkmozembed-shot It hurts my eyes to go on the phpclasses website. It's like someone vomited tabs and links :| I have no clue why you felt the need to be so aggressive. Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community? You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what others do. http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-redesign-proposal-for-the-contest.html Yeah Rob, put up or shut up! ;-) -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Create a screenshot of a website
Hello, on 10/28/2009 06:37 PM Paul M Foster said the following: Anyway, if you are that sensitive to design issues, why don't you participate in the contest to propose a better design instead of just complaining against the work that others do to help the PHP community? You can earn prizes and start helping instead of just putting down what others do. http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/104-Submit-your-site-redesign-proposal-for-the-contest.html Here's a free suggestion. You don't even have to give me a prize. You know those random words which are underlined on that page, and when you mouse over them, you get the random advertisement on a completely unrelated subject, which also emits a *sound* on my computer? Get rid of them completely. They are beyond annoying. I get that you need to make money with this site, but those obnoxious ads are the exact opposite wrong way to do it. I suppose you are not familiar with the site publishing business. This site, like many other, is a relatively small site, with only 2 million page view a month. If you do not have sites with at least 20 million page view a month, you are considered a small publisher, so you do not have a bugdet to pay for an advertising sales team. Therefore you need to work with ad agencies with take a big cut to sell ad space to advertisers. Those ads you see are placed by agencies like that. They were supposed to be contextual, so they would be relevant and related with the site content. If they do not look relevant is because that is the advertisers they are getting now. We are still in the middle of a big crisis that will probably not end before 2012. Many governments are saying they have exited the crisis, but I am afraid that is just wishful thinking with the purpose of spreading optimism and help recovering the market. If the ads you see are not very related, that means that the related advertising have closed their business or are afraid to spend. Unfortunately, we small site owners need to be patient and wait for the market to return. Also, while I wouldn't have expressed it quite as crassly as Robert, I have to agree on his evaluation of the site's look. I have a logon on your site and have been to it many times. I just figured you liked it like that. But in truth, it needs a serious and complete makeover. But like Robert, I have no end of things to take care of, quite outside of redisigning phpclasses.net. I'd suggest you scrap the contest and go find a good free CSS template. But that's just me. That would not solve anything. The vast majority of the users does not really care. The problem is that those that care always want something different that changes every year. Picking up any other template will not solve any problem. Complainers will keep complaining, probably forever. The point of the contest is to let those that are sensitive to design issues to propose something they believe it is better, instead of just complaining. It is impossible to please everybody. Whatever design will win, there will always be people complaining. To make sure the change will be more liked than disliking it, I am making it democratic. People that care will decide. This way complainers will not have anymore excuse to blame the site for not having a better design. The majority decides. I will be like Pilates, I will wash my hands, and pay the prizes, of course. The main prize is not huge, but it is not cheap either. USD $3,000, a big elePHPant and a lifetime premium subscription. Runner ups will also get prizes from sponsors. http://www.phpclasses.org/award/design/ So, now it is not time to complain. If you care about the site and the current design bugs you, this is your chance to propose something better and even earn prizes. The submission period will last till the end of November. If you are interested, you may start here: http://www.phpclasses.org/design.html -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Find and post PHP jobs http://www.phpclasses.org/jobs/ PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
