RE: [PHP] google video like site
siavish... to write a site that handles a few 100 hits/day and has functionality to upload/download/view videos isn't that hard to do. (not including the look/feel, and not including the testing aspect) just throwing a site together isn't that hard. however, if you really want to have a robust/scalable/secure app, capable of handling serious traffic, as well as all the monitoring functionality you want to admin/run the site, and to move/track your data/videos.. .then it's not a simple upload of an app/modify the app for a few weeks.. there is a skill to well designed/implemented sites that stand up to traffic. peace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:49 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] google video like site Quoting Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 09:30 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > Robert Cummings wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 23:40 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > > > I doubt they were stupid enough to shell out that kind of cash to on a > php-nuke install, > > > > > > Why not? It's not the code they want, it's the traffic. You can have the > > > best code in the world and if 0 people visit it, it's pretty worthless > > > to anyone but you. > > > > you are right - I was implicitly thinking along the lines that there is no > > way in hell a php-nuke install could stand up to amount of > requests/processing > > youtube must cope with. > > Definitely not on one computer, but if you offload to say 30 servers, > you can probably process 100 million hits per day. Servers are probably > cheap compared to their bandwidth costs. > > > there is a good reason that properties like Yahoo (which uses php of > course) stick all > > the heavy lifting code in php extensions written in C. > > True, but nothing stopping a site like youtube from taking a shoddy app > and moving some of the heavy lifting into extensions themselves. > > > then there is the issue of differentiation - would *you* settle for some > generic POS > > piece of software if you had billions of dollar to invest in build a > custom, killer app? > > Probably not, but I know that millions of people everyday settle for > Microsoft ;) Some of these people probably have a few spare billion > dollars... not me though :| > > > okay, sure, everything in software land is eventually comoditized and > available as > > open source eventually, but right now there are no google-video type > applications out > > there that can handle the amount of traffic the mentioned sites handle. > > Id on't think the code is the bottleneck, I think the bottle neck is the > 200 to 400 terabytes of data youtube transfers everyday. > > > there is also the premise that youtube wouldn't be youtube if it were > running on php-nuke, > > for the simple fact it would have been hacked to death. no? > > Well, that's definitely a valid point, no argument from me there heheh. > > Cheers, > Rob. > -- > .. > | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | > :: > | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | > | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | > | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | > | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | > | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | > `' > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Thanks everyone. By the way I wasn't implying that any of these sites are being run on php-nuke, I was wondering if they're however running on something similar to php-nuke. Just because you tube, google video, break.com and a few other sites all basically look the same and function the same way, so I thought they might be using the same backend code. I'm making a small site for a community that wants the same idea, I was wondering if it's as easy as installing a software, or that I have to write it all from scratch. Thanks again for all your responses. Siavash -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] google video like site
Quoting Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 09:30 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > Robert Cummings wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 23:40 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > > > I doubt they were stupid enough to shell out that kind of cash to on a > php-nuke install, > > > > > > Why not? It's not the code they want, it's the traffic. You can have the > > > best code in the world and if 0 people visit it, it's pretty worthless > > > to anyone but you. > > > > you are right - I was implicitly thinking along the lines that there is no > > way in hell a php-nuke install could stand up to amount of > requests/processing > > youtube must cope with. > > Definitely not on one computer, but if you offload to say 30 servers, > you can probably process 100 million hits per day. Servers are probably > cheap compared to their bandwidth costs. > > > there is a good reason that properties like Yahoo (which uses php of > course) stick all > > the heavy lifting code in php extensions written in C. > > True, but nothing stopping a site like youtube from taking a shoddy app > and moving some of the heavy lifting into extensions themselves. > > > then there is the issue of differentiation - would *you* settle for some > generic POS > > piece of software if you had billions of dollar to invest in build a > custom, killer app? > > Probably not, but I know that millions of people everyday settle for > Microsoft ;) Some of these people probably have a few spare billion > dollars... not me though :| > > > okay, sure, everything in software land is eventually comoditized and > available as > > open source eventually, but right now there are no google-video type > applications out > > there that can handle the amount of traffic the mentioned sites handle. > > Id on't think the code is the bottleneck, I think the bottle neck is the > 200 to 400 terabytes of data youtube transfers everyday. > > > there is also the premise that youtube wouldn't be youtube if it were > running on php-nuke, > > for the simple fact it would have been hacked to death. no? > > Well, that's definitely a valid point, no argument from me there heheh. > > Cheers, > Rob. > -- > .. > | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | > :: > | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | > | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | > | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | > | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | > | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | > `' > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Thanks everyone. By the way I wasn't implying that any of these sites are being run on php-nuke, I was wondering if they're however running on something similar to php-nuke. Just because you tube, google video, break.com and a few other sites all basically look the same and function the same way, so I thought they might be using the same backend code. I'm making a small site for a community that wants the same idea, I was wondering if it's as easy as installing a software, or that I have to write it all from scratch. Thanks again for all your responses. Siavash -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] google video like site
On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 09:30 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 23:40 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > > > I doubt they were stupid enough to shell out that kind of cash to on a > > > php-nuke install, > > > > Why not? It's not the code they want, it's the traffic. You can have the > > best code in the world and if 0 people visit it, it's pretty worthless > > to anyone but you. > > you are right - I was implicitly thinking along the lines that there is no > way in hell a php-nuke install could stand up to amount of requests/processing > youtube must cope with. Definitely not on one computer, but if you offload to say 30 servers, you can probably process 100 million hits per day. Servers are probably cheap compared to their bandwidth costs. > there is a good reason that properties like Yahoo (which uses php of course) > stick all > the heavy lifting code in php extensions written in C. True, but nothing stopping a site like youtube from taking a shoddy app and moving some of the heavy lifting into extensions themselves. > then there is the issue of differentiation - would *you* settle for some > generic POS > piece of software if you had billions of dollar to invest in build a custom, > killer app? Probably not, but I know that millions of people everyday settle for Microsoft ;) Some of these people probably have a few spare billion dollars... not me though :| > okay, sure, everything in software land is eventually comoditized and > available as > open source eventually, but right now there are no google-video type > applications out > there that can handle the amount of traffic the mentioned sites handle. Id on't think the code is the bottleneck, I think the bottle neck is the 200 to 400 terabytes of data youtube transfers everyday. > there is also the premise that youtube wouldn't be youtube if it were running > on php-nuke, > for the simple fact it would have been hacked to death. no? Well, that's definitely a valid point, no argument from me there heheh. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] google video like site
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 23:40 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I applogize if this isn't really related to php-programming, but it's >>> related to >>> php. >>> >>> I'm wondering if anyone knows what program sites like google video or >>> break.com >>> use? is it a software like php-nuke, or phpBB or drupal? They all look >>> pretty >>> much the same, so I'm guessing it's a package they use. Anyone know what it >>> is? >>> or are they all really writing everything from scratch? >> google video - running on php-nuke - no I don't think so. >> >> they write from scratch, with the odd billion dollars lying around they can >> afford >> to :-) (also note that youtube was bought by google for something like 1.3 >> billion dollars - > > >> I doubt they were stupid enough to shell out that kind of cash to on a >> php-nuke install, > > Why not? It's not the code they want, it's the traffic. You can have the > best code in the world and if 0 people visit it, it's pretty worthless > to anyone but you. you are right - I was implicitly thinking along the lines that there is no way in hell a php-nuke install could stand up to amount of requests/processing youtube must cope with. there is a good reason that properties like Yahoo (which uses php of course) stick all the heavy lifting code in php extensions written in C. then there is the issue of differentiation - would *you* settle for some generic POS piece of software if you had billions of dollar to invest in build a custom, killer app? okay, sure, everything in software land is eventually comoditized and available as open source eventually, but right now there are no google-video type applications out there that can handle the amount of traffic the mentioned sites handle. there is also the premise that youtube wouldn't be youtube if it were running on php-nuke, for the simple fact it would have been hacked to death. no? oh well time for some work ;-) > > Cheers, > Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] google video like site
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 23:40 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I applogize if this isn't really related to php-programming, but it's > > related to > > php. > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows what program sites like google video or > > break.com > > use? is it a software like php-nuke, or phpBB or drupal? They all look > > pretty > > much the same, so I'm guessing it's a package they use. Anyone know what it > > is? > > or are they all really writing everything from scratch? > > google video - running on php-nuke - no I don't think so. > > they write from scratch, with the odd billion dollars lying around they can > afford > to :-) (also note that youtube was bought by google for something like 1.3 > billion dollars - > I doubt they were stupid enough to shell out that kind of cash to on a > php-nuke install, Why not? It's not the code they want, it's the traffic. You can have the best code in the world and if 0 people visit it, it's pretty worthless to anyone but you. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] google video like site
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I applogize if this isn't really related to php-programming, but it's related > to > php. > > I'm wondering if anyone knows what program sites like google video or > break.com > use? is it a software like php-nuke, or phpBB or drupal? They all look pretty > much the same, so I'm guessing it's a package they use. Anyone know what it > is? > or are they all really writing everything from scratch? google video - running on php-nuke - no I don't think so. they write from scratch, with the odd billion dollars lying around they can afford to :-) (also note that youtube was bought by google for something like 1.3 billion dollars - I doubt they were stupid enough to shell out that kind of cash to on a php-nuke install, even if they did seemingly buy themselves into litigation hell) > > thanks, > Siavash > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
