Re: [PHP] php competion
On Feb 5, 2008 2:39 AM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 17:43 -0800, Warren Vail wrote:
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Re: [PHP] php competion
Richard Lynch schreef: On Sun, February 3, 2008 11:51 am, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Actually, the specification for the real estate listing thingie looked pretty trivial... on the surface of things I would agree - which is why there are plenty of trivial real-estate listing apps out there. but I doubt that's what they are looking for. when you factor in multi-user, multi-currency, multi-language aspects, the ability to switch between metric and imperial measurements, the issues related to normalization of real-estate data with regard to offering usable search mechanisms (everyone has different 'styles' of data), backend integration, automated export to third party systems and map integration things become a little more involved ... oh and flexibility because every real-estate agent is looking for something *slightly* different. given those points I would hazard a guess and say the development costs outweigh the potential prize money at least 4 to 1. granted a RE tool is not technically very challenging but I wouldn't under estimate the ammount of time the details of such an app would take to implement. anyway you put it these rhwebhosting guys are nuts if they think anyone (meaning anyone with the skills to actually produce the kind of quality/functionality their looking for) would be interested in this 'competition' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] php competion
on the other hand... maybe they're looking for not only skilled developers to build the app, but also people that they can work with, as partners.. who knows, maybe these guys have a pool of real estate partners and the $$$ will flow if they can get things off the ground... but i'm sure that all the php developers who reply to this list are already making at least $50/hr net, so maybe this wouldn't be your thing!!! peace... -Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Robert Cummings; Paul Scott; doc; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] php competion Richard Lynch schreef: On Sun, February 3, 2008 11:51 am, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Actually, the specification for the real estate listing thingie looked pretty trivial... on the surface of things I would agree - which is why there are plenty of trivial real-estate listing apps out there. but I doubt that's what they are looking for. when you factor in multi-user, multi-currency, multi-language aspects, the ability to switch between metric and imperial measurements, the issues related to normalization of real-estate data with regard to offering usable search mechanisms (everyone has different 'styles' of data), backend integration, automated export to third party systems and map integration things become a little more involved ... oh and flexibility because every real-estate agent is looking for something *slightly* different. given those points I would hazard a guess and say the development costs outweigh the potential prize money at least 4 to 1. granted a RE tool is not technically very challenging but I wouldn't under estimate the ammount of time the details of such an app would take to implement. anyway you put it these rhwebhosting guys are nuts if they think anyone (meaning anyone with the skills to actually produce the kind of quality/functionality their looking for) would be interested in this 'competition' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. Nathan Nobbe wrote: i ashamed to say i was the subject of a scam whereby i wrote a solid weekends worth of code only to find out these assholes decided not to pay up. http://www.cartoondollemporium.com/ i can only imagine theyve done this to many other developers and plan on doing it to more. though ive not read through the 'contest' pages much, i suspect this may be a similar scenario. -nathan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Feb 4, 2008 4:10 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, February 4, 2008 2:36 am, Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Lynch schreef: On Sun, February 3, 2008 11:51 am, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Actually, the specification for the real estate listing thingie looked pretty trivial... on the surface of things I would agree - which is why there are plenty of trivial real-estate listing apps out there. but I doubt that's what they are looking for. Yes, well, the spec they wrote is what I'm referencing, not what I think they really need... :-) when you factor in multi-user, multi-currency, multi-language aspects, the ability to switch between metric and imperial measurements, the issues related to normalization of real-estate data with regard to offering usable search mechanisms (everyone has different 'styles' of data), backend integration, automated export to third party systems and map integration things become a little more involved ... oh and flexibility because every real-estate agent is looking for something *slightly* different. Having gone through the process of buying a house this last year, and using a few online tools/searches, I can confidently say that even the ones in production use by big-name real estate companies... suck. :-) Not completely totally useless, but I could easily have eliminated 90% of the listings if they'd just provided some basic simple information correctly. Ok, so this isn't a PHP issue, but I have a feeling that a lot of (not all) people who list houses on those sites tend to put stuff in the wrong place so that the search tools available don't work right. I'm not sure if they are too lazy to put things in the right fields, if they think they are better at advertising the qualitites of a listing by writing their own newspaper style ad, or if they are purposely munging the listings so that they are so generic that they never get filtered out of the search results. At any rate, all equally annoying. Come to think of it, it's hardly unique to real estate, either. :-( Andrew -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Mon, February 4, 2008 2:36 am, Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Lynch schreef: On Sun, February 3, 2008 11:51 am, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Actually, the specification for the real estate listing thingie looked pretty trivial... on the surface of things I would agree - which is why there are plenty of trivial real-estate listing apps out there. but I doubt that's what they are looking for. Yes, well, the spec they wrote is what I'm referencing, not what I think they really need... :-) when you factor in multi-user, multi-currency, multi-language aspects, the ability to switch between metric and imperial measurements, the issues related to normalization of real-estate data with regard to offering usable search mechanisms (everyone has different 'styles' of data), backend integration, automated export to third party systems and map integration things become a little more involved ... oh and flexibility because every real-estate agent is looking for something *slightly* different. Having gone through the process of buying a house this last year, and using a few online tools/searches, I can confidently say that even the ones in production use by big-name real estate companies... suck. :-) Not completely totally useless, but I could easily have eliminated 90% of the listings if they'd just provided some basic simple information correctly. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Feb 4, 2008 5:23 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 4:26 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. good luck knocking that one out by yourself ;) sounds like a feature of pypy, which as i understand is a large project that is taking many people a long time to accomplish. http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/getting-started.html#trying-out-the-translator and the price tag on its funding is a lot more than 10k, at least i would imagine so. -nathan I'll make one that generates Hello World apps. ;) Aside from that, there is a reason why people get paid for programming... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
i ashamed to say i was the subject of a scam whereby i wrote a solid weekends worth of code only to find out these assholes decided not to pay up. http://www.cartoondollemporium.com/ i can only imagine theyve done this to many other developers and plan on doing it to more. though ive not read through the 'contest' pages much, i suspect this may be a similar scenario. -nathan
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Feb 4, 2008 4:26 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. good luck knocking that one out by yourself ;) sounds like a feature of pypy, which as i understand is a large project that is taking many people a long time to accomplish. http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/getting-started.html#trying-out-the-translator and the price tag on its funding is a lot more than 10k, at least i would imagine so. -nathan
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 15:26 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. There's an old adage that I think may apply here... goes something like: There's a sucker born every minute. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] php competion
There's probably even a tee-shirt. As in; been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. Warren -Original Message- From: Shawn McKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:32 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] php competion And a newer adage, maybe from grade school, takes one to know one. :-) Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 15:26 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. There's an old adage that I think may apply here... goes something like: There's a sucker born every minute. Cheers, Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
And a newer adage, maybe from grade school, takes one to know one. :-) Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 15:26 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. There's an old adage that I think may apply here... goes something like: There's a sucker born every minute. Cheers, Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] php competion
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 17:43 -0800, Warren Vail wrote: There's probably even a tee-shirt. As in; been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. Live and learn! :) Cheers, Rob. -Original Message- From: Shawn McKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:32 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] php competion And a newer adage, maybe from grade school, takes one to know one. :-) Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 15:26 -0600, Shawn McKenzie wrote: I hardly think this one is a scam, I mean all you have to do is write a PHP app that converts between PHP, Python, C and Perl and you get: not only bragging rights will come your way, but it will sure look good on your resume! I'm in. There's an old adage that I think may apply here... goes something like: There's a sucker born every minute. Cheers, Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Are these people joking ;o) This sounds more like hey, give us 4-5 great products for free, and we may award you ;o) I thought competitions usually give some more or less abstract tasks, where people can show how well they master the language, like - do this with less than 15 lines of code. But redesign our web site,... it's funny ;o) Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. Yeah right. --Paul All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/public/portal_services/disclaimer.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Sun, February 3, 2008 11:51 am, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Actually, the specification for the real estate listing thingie looked pretty trivial... -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php competion
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:48 -0600, Richard Lynch wrote: On Sun, February 3, 2008 11:51 am, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 18:15 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:10 +1100, doc wrote: come on people try you skills at http://www.rhwebhosting.com/comp/index.php Reworded as: Redesign our complete web presence and give us a couple of apps that we can flog to our clients, and we *may* give you a consolation prize. So not worth the time and effort. Any person capable of doing the code conversion (to AT LEAST C, Python, and Perl nonetheless) is smart enough to know the potential payoff is worse than flipping burger and McGeneric's. Actually, the specification for the real estate listing thingie looked pretty trivial... But then there's... We would appreciate it if people would select a category appropriate to their skills and experience So they'd rather you didn't pick that one Richard ;) I doubt there's a $10k and $5k prize for each category. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
