RE: Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

2005-01-25 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip]
JB It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while.
So I
JB retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about setting up a cron
to
JB post it every other day or so.

I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to actually
hope the newbies even read it, most of them don't even think they are
newbies :)
[/snip]

Then we should chnage the header
[NEWBIE GUIDE] - READ THIS OR YOU'LL NEVER GET ON THE ISLAND

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Re: Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

2005-01-25 Thread Richard Lynch
 I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to actually
 hope the newbies even read it, most of them don't even think they are
 newbies :)

Perhaps the most appropriate subject would be Posting Guide - Read before
sending

Regardless of one's experience, one would expect to read that.

That said:  This *is* PHP General, and there are plenty of people, self
included, who can *read* some chunks of the manual, but...

Reading does not guarantee comprehension, so there will always be posts
about everything.

I tend to just assume that people read and failed to understand, if they
seem to at least have some grasp on what they are typing.

Keeps my blood pressure down :-)

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Re: Re[2]: [PHP] Re: [NEWBIE GUIDE] For the benefit of new members

2005-01-25 Thread Curt Zirzow
* Thus wrote Jay Blanchard:
 [snip]
 JB It used to be, but it seems that it hasn't been posted in a while.
 So I
 JB retrieved it and posted it. I was thinking about setting up a cron
 to
 JB post it every other day or so.
 
 I think once a week would be more than enough. You have to actually
 hope the newbies even read it, most of them don't even think they are
 newbies :)
 [/snip]
 
 Then we should chnage the header
 [NEWBIE GUIDE] - READ THIS OR YOU'LL NEVER GET ON THE ISLAND
 
Ok. for some reason I'm not sure why this thread has become such an
issue, but here are my thoughts, if they even count...


For starters spliting this list into a newbie list vs a non-newbie
or greater doesn't make much sense. This is a -general list that
has the purpose to ask general questions. An is why most of the
'expreienced' people answer them.


If the phpcommunity web site focus's on frequently asked questions,
this list will still be bombarded with questions that are asked
frequently, and in that case it would be wise too add in the NEWBIE
GUIDE a reference to the website in question for the answers.


As far as when and how often this piece of informationn should be
issued.. well the person that was  doing it before was sending it
weekly (around monday  iirc). And, imo, a rather decent time frame,
anyone that frequent's this list will be aware of what the message
is about.  But then again, as was hinted in  this thread, that when
a person subscribes to this list will most likely ask their
question within 24 hours of doing so.

With that in mind, it does raise the question if the 'NEWBIE' post
is even efficient.

The OT, is provied to a new user to understand the environment they
are dealing with and the proper ethics in which he/she is dealing
with.

Since we're on the topic of proper ways to do things, I find it
kind of funny that in order to respond to the whole thread of
dicusssion, i have to response to a subthread. 


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