Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 08:53 -0800, Jim Lucas wrote: If you were sending HTML formatted emails and included images for the layout, that would be fine. But a 2-5MB attachment? Why would want to send that as an attachment. Give them a link back to your website. If it is a private thing, make them log in. Thanks Jim and Daniel. Not sure why I was stuck on duplicating the existing apps efforts :/ I talked to my client and this it the way we're going... -- Robert -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
I've always personally hated receiving email with large attachments, preferring instead to get links to the content on the web. Plus, that cuts down on the bandwidth the server (as well as mailservers, gateways, et cetera) are responsible for handling, because the PDFs or other attachments would only be downloaded by those who really wanted to have them. However, I know nothing about the business model with which Robert is working, so it may be neither applicable or optional in his case. No it's another perfectly viable option. Click here to view a HTML version of this email links I would say no, but for files, then why not? Also prevents pissing off the user by not having to download the attachment if they're not interested in it (and assuming it will be base64 encoded as most attachments are, don't forget it will grow in size by a third). -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299 hosted for you - no installation, no maintenance, new features automatic and free -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: I a currently re-writing a web app from ASP to PHP and have come to the part where the app sends mass mailings to their customer base. This has always been problematic for them with the existing setup and I am looking for the best approach. While I've setup mailings with PHP, never such mass mailings. They will be using a web form to send sometimes 2-5MB attachments to thousands of customers to advertise new products with PDF's, etc. Using their Windows IIS SMTP virtual server smarthost function, I send their mail off-site to our postfix mail gateway, but it still bogs down and I'm sure a remote server is not the answer, but still better than the errors they receive trying to use localhost and IIS. Once the re-write, the app will be on to a Linux box where I can do some tweaking to these and hope localhost will work better for these mailings. Can someone give some pointers at how I may want to approach such mass mailings? Thanks in advance! As the manager of the ISP department and owner of a few hosting servers of my own, this is my opinion of the problem and how I would solve the problems. If you were sending HTML formatted emails and included images for the layout, that would be fine. But a 2-5MB attachment? Why would want to send that as an attachment. Give them a link back to your website. If it is a private thing, make them log in. Why do you think the mail service is bogging down? Every email attachment that you send, unless it is plain text, gets converted to 7bit from 8bit. This will almost double the size of the attachment. Then, if you are sending multiple copies of this attachment, well, just think about the waisted CPU cycles. Get my point yet. Just create them a nice little email, and include a link that points to the document that would have otherwise been attached. It will cut down on waisted bandwidth. It will only get downloaded by the persons that actually want it. A win win all the way around. -- Jim Lucas Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
On Feb 4, 2008 11:34 AM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have attachments, you could use one or more cheap remote servers
and Bcc: the recipients. Or use the local mail gateway. Bcc:ing will cut
down on the amount of the amount of actual data transferred to the mail
server; you can send to say 100 recipients at once but only transfer the
attachment data once.
I'm not 100% sure on this, so I'd defer to someone with greater
knowledge on the subject than I, but isn't BCC-delivered email
automatically scored higher on the Bayesian scale?
I've always personally hated receiving email with large
attachments, preferring instead to get links to the content on the
web. Plus, that cuts down on the bandwidth the server (as well as
mailservers, gateways, et cetera) are responsible for handling,
because the PDFs or other attachments would only be downloaded by
those who really wanted to have them. However, I know nothing about
the business model with which Robert is working, so it may be neither
applicable or optional in his case.
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Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
) On Feb 4, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: I a currently re-writing a web app from ASP to PHP and have come to the part where the app sends mass mailings to their customer base. This has always been problematic for them with the existing setup and I am looking for the best approach. While I've setup mailings with PHP, never such mass mailings. They will be using a web form to send sometimes 2-5MB attachments to thousands of customers to advertise new products with PDF's, etc. Using their Windows IIS SMTP virtual server smarthost function, I send their mail off-site to our postfix mail gateway, but it still bogs down and I'm sure a remote server is not the answer, but still better than the errors they receive trying to use localhost and IIS. Once the re-write, the app will be on to a Linux box where I can do some tweaking to these and hope localhost will work better for these mailings. Can someone give some pointers at how I may want to approach such mass mailings? Thanks in advance! It's not a complete PHP solution... BUT... why not pass it off to something written specifically to handle mass emails? something like mailman? Is it that they want the addresses in 1 place and 1 place only so they don't have to reenter the addresses? If so, I'm pretty sure mailman can read flat files for addresses, so just have your app export the appropriate records to a flat file say... 1 address per line (Or how ever mailman would handle it) replace the old file, and then simply send out the email? Or have I just shown my ignorance again? I've been told I'm very good at that! : -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
I a currently re-writing a web app from ASP to PHP and have come to the part where the app sends mass mailings to their customer base. This has always been problematic for them with the existing setup and I am looking for the best approach. While I've setup mailings with PHP, never such mass mailings. They will be using a web form to send sometimes 2-5MB attachments to thousands of customers to advertise new products with PDF's, etc. Using their Windows IIS SMTP virtual server smarthost function, I send their mail off-site to our postfix mail gateway, but it still bogs down and I'm sure a remote server is not the answer, but still better than the errors they receive trying to use localhost and IIS. Once the re-write, the app will be on to a Linux box where I can do some tweaking to these and hope localhost will work better for these mailings. Can someone give some pointers at how I may want to approach such mass mailings? Thanks in advance! If you have attachments, you could use one or more cheap remote servers and Bcc: the recipients. Or use the local mail gateway. Bcc:ing will cut down on the amount of the amount of actual data transferred to the mail server; you can send to say 100 recipients at once but only transfer the attachment data once. -- Richard Heyes http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and Helpdesk software for £299 hosted for you - no installation, no maintenance, new features automatic and free -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Effecient mass mailings
On Mon, February 4, 2008 10:22 am, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: Can someone give some pointers at how I may want to approach such mass mailings? Thanks in advance! Get rid of the attachments? :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
