Re: [PHP] Year
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 10:11 -0500, Dan Shirah wrote: Hello all, I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? ?php $year = date( 'Y' ); for( $i = 0; $i 10; $i++ ) { $iYear = substr( (string)($year + 1), 2 ); echo 'option value='.$iYear.''.$iYear.'/option'; } ? Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Year
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 10:21 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 10:11 -0500, Dan Shirah wrote: Hello all, I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? ?php $year = date( 'Y' ); for( $i = 0; $i 10; $i++ ) { $iYear = substr( (string)($year + 1), 2 ); echo 'option value='.$iYear.''.$iYear.'/option'; } ? Bleh... Typo in the above... so here's a better one :) ?php $currYear = date( 'Y' ); for( $i = 0; $i 10; $i++ ) { $longYear = $currYear + $i; $shortYear = substr( (string)$longYear, 2 ); echo 'option value='.$shortYear.''.$longYear.'/option'; } ? Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Year
On p, 2007-02-02 at 10:11 -0500, Dan Shirah wrote: Hello all, I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? I think it is because when you calculate $short_years it is an integer. So insert the following before echoing it out: if ($short_years 10) {$short_years = 0 . $short_years;} hope that helps Zoltán Németh Reagrds, Dan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Year
HI Dan try this this should work 100%; echo select; for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date('y')+$y; printf(option value=\%02d\%d/option,$short_years,$years); } echo /select; On 2/2/07, Dan Shirah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? Reagrds, Dan -- Have A plesant Day Chetan. D. Rane Location: Pune , India Contact: +91-9890792762 otherID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Year
Thanks everyone! A lot of great solutions! On 2/2/07, chetan rane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Dan try this this should work 100%; echo select; for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date('y')+$y; printf(option value=\%02d\%d/option,$short_years,$years); } echo /select; On 2/2/07, Dan Shirah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? Reagrds, Dan -- Have A plesant Day Chetan. D. Rane Location: Pune , India Contact: +91-9890792762 otherID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Year
On Fri, February 2, 2007 9:11 am, Dan Shirah wrote: I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? for ($year = date('Y'); $year = date('Y') + 10; $year++){ $short_year = $year - 2000; echo option value=\$short_year\$year/option\n; } Using the 2-digit year as your value is almost for sure a really Bad Idea, unless you are dealing with legacy software that absolutely needs it... -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Year
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 19:02 -0600, Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, February 2, 2007 9:11 am, Dan Shirah wrote: I am trying to populate a dropdown list to contain the current year to 10 years in the future. Below is the code I'm using: ?PHP for ($y=0;$y=10;$y++) { $years=date http://php.net/date('Y')+$y; $short_years=date http://php.net/date('y')+$y; echo $short_years; echo option value=\$short_years\$years/option; } ? I want the selection value to be 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the $years accomplishes this. Howeverm I want the option value to be the two digit year ex. 07, 08, 09, 10...the $short_years semi accomplishes thisinstead of getting 07, 08, 08, 10 I get 7, 8, 9, 10...how can I get it to output the two year for 07, 08, 09 without it cutting off the zero? for ($year = date('Y'); $year = date('Y') + 10; $year++){ $short_year = $year - 2000; echo option value=\$short_year\$year/option\n; } Using the 2-digit year as your value is almost for sure a really Bad Idea, unless you are dealing with legacy software that absolutely needs it... Sorry Richard, you solution fails since he wants to retain the leading zeros on the 2 digit years. Using subtraction and not formatting the result will result in the loss of the 0 in 07. Also, why call the date() function 10 times by embedding it in the loop's terminate condition? Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Year
On Fri, February 2, 2007 7:41 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: for ($year = date('Y'); $year = date('Y') + 10; $year++){ $short_year = $year - 2000; $short_year = sprintf('%02d', $short_year); echo option value=\$short_year\$year/option\n; } Using the 2-digit year as your value is almost for sure a really Bad Idea, unless you are dealing with legacy software that absolutely needs it... Sorry Richard, you solution fails since he wants to retain the leading zeros on the 2 digit years. Using subtraction and not formatting the result will result in the loss of the 0 in 07. Also, why call the date() function 10 times by embedding it in the loop's terminate condition? Because 10 calls to date() is chump-change. If you need to optimize away 10 calls to date() then something is horribly wrong... That said, it's pretty trivial to optimize it: for ($year = date('Y'), $end = date('Y) + 10; $year = $end; $year++){ If PHP guarantees the order of operations in for(, ; ; ) you could even use $year instead of date('Y) on the $end assignment. That's really getting silly about optimization, however. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some starving artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Year
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 20:08 -0600, Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, February 2, 2007 7:41 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: function 10 times by embedding it in the loop's terminate condition? Because 10 calls to date() is chump-change. 10 chumps here, 10 there, 100 there, sloppy here, sloppy there, didn't realize this call isn't chump change, a million there. It adds up. If you need to optimize away 10 calls to date() then something is horribly wrong... No, but implicitly understanding wasted cycles will make it a habit you don't need to think about. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem
Funny, I quickly tried this: ? $date1 = 12/12/2001; $date2 = 15/01/2002; $date1 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1)); $date2 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); print $date1.br; print $date2.br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date1)).br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date2)).br; ? And the result was this: Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2003-03-01 Niklas -Original Message- From: John Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2. marraskuuta 2001 8:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem I have this problem with Php 4.0.5 on both Win ME and Linus boxes, where my year 2002 dates are converted back to 2001 when formating with 'strtotime'. First I post the following variables from an html page to a php page $date1='12/12/2001' $date2='15/01/2002' I then use date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1); and date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); to store them in an array for screen display. As the users have the abilty to selected different dates I need to check that 1 is before the other. To do this I have a script timediff() that I pass the two dates to in the above format. All works fine until the year 2002 is selected. This is part of the timediff() code with dispay statements and the result. function timediff($date1,$date2) { echo 'date1= '.$date1.' ';// displays 'Wed December 12 2001' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$date2.' '; // displays 'Tue January 15 2002' ...correct, all fine so far $dd1=date(Ymd, strtotime($date1)); $dd2=date(Ymd, strtotime($date2)); echo 'date1= '.$dd1.'br';// displays '20011212' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$dd2.' br'; // displays '20010115 ...WRONG } It seem that by applying strtotime a 2nd time might cause this problem, as the first application was fine. I have tested all possible combinations of strtotime but the year 2002 always goes back to 2001 Have also tried just 'strtotime($date1)' but same problem again. Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated as I thought I had finished a booking program any now find this!! Thanks in anticipation John Clarke -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem
Even more funny... I cut and pasted your code and I got; Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2001-03-01 What version of Php and OS are you using?? John Niklas lampén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000301c16369$6817a320$ba93c5c3@Niklas">news:000301c16369$6817a320$ba93c5c3@Niklas... Funny, I quickly tried this: ? $date1 = 12/12/2001; $date2 = 15/01/2002; $date1 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1)); $date2 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); print $date1.br; print $date2.br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date1)).br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date2)).br; ? And the result was this: Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2003-03-01 Niklas -Original Message- From: John Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2. marraskuuta 2001 8:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem I have this problem with Php 4.0.5 on both Win ME and Linus boxes, where my year 2002 dates are converted back to 2001 when formating with 'strtotime'. First I post the following variables from an html page to a php page $date1='12/12/2001' $date2='15/01/2002' I then use date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1); and date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); to store them in an array for screen display. As the users have the abilty to selected different dates I need to check that 1 is before the other. To do this I have a script timediff() that I pass the two dates to in the above format. All works fine until the year 2002 is selected. This is part of the timediff() code with dispay statements and the result. function timediff($date1,$date2) { echo 'date1= '.$date1.' ';// displays 'Wed December 12 2001' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$date2.' '; // displays 'Tue January 15 2002' ...correct, all fine so far $dd1=date(Ymd, strtotime($date1)); $dd2=date(Ymd, strtotime($date2)); echo 'date1= '.$dd1.'br';// displays '20011212' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$dd2.' br'; // displays '20010115 ...WRONG } It seem that by applying strtotime a 2nd time might cause this problem, as the first application was fine. I have tested all possible combinations of strtotime but the year 2002 always goes back to 2001 Have also tried just 'strtotime($date1)' but same problem again. Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated as I thought I had finished a booking program any now find this!! Thanks in anticipation John Clarke -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem
Great. :) I've got PHP 4.0.6 on linux. You? I think you should break the dates manually, it would be the most sure way to do it. Niklas -Original Message- From: John Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2. marraskuuta 2001 9:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem Even more funny... I cut and pasted your code and I got; Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2001-03-01 What version of Php and OS are you using?? John Niklas lampén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000301c16369$6817a320$ba93c5c3@Niklas">news:000301c16369$6817a320$ba93c5c3@Niklas... Funny, I quickly tried this: ? $date1 = 12/12/2001; $date2 = 15/01/2002; $date1 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1)); $date2 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); print $date1.br; print $date2.br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date1)).br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date2)).br; ? And the result was this: Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2003-03-01 Niklas -Original Message- From: John Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2. marraskuuta 2001 8:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem I have this problem with Php 4.0.5 on both Win ME and Linus boxes, where my year 2002 dates are converted back to 2001 when formating with 'strtotime'. First I post the following variables from an html page to a php page $date1='12/12/2001' $date2='15/01/2002' I then use date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1); and date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); to store them in an array for screen display. As the users have the abilty to selected different dates I need to check that 1 is before the other. To do this I have a script timediff() that I pass the two dates to in the above format. All works fine until the year 2002 is selected. This is part of the timediff() code with dispay statements and the result. function timediff($date1,$date2) { echo 'date1= '.$date1.' ';// displays 'Wed December 12 2001' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$date2.' '; // displays 'Tue January 15 2002' ...correct, all fine so far $dd1=date(Ymd, strtotime($date1)); $dd2=date(Ymd, strtotime($date2)); echo 'date1= '.$dd1.'br';// displays '20011212' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$dd2.' br'; // displays '20010115 ...WRONG } It seem that by applying strtotime a 2nd time might cause this problem, as the first application was fine. I have tested all possible combinations of strtotime but the year 2002 always goes back to 2001 Have also tried just 'strtotime($date1)' but same problem again. Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated as I thought I had finished a booking program any now find this!! Thanks in anticipation John Clarke -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem
I'm still running 4.0.5 because that is what my web host is running. Methinks there may be a problem here. In the meantime I've tried storing the dates in the array in the original format in lieu of the fully converted format. I then reformat the original from the array as required for each page display or time difference calculation. This works fine, so I might stick with it. In hindsight, it is probaly the way I should have gone in the first place as you pointed out. That way I can play with the date, month and year any way I want. Thanks for you input. John Niklas lampén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000401c1636f$fd37d960$ba93c5c3@Niklas">news:000401c1636f$fd37d960$ba93c5c3@Niklas... Great. :) I've got PHP 4.0.6 on linux. You? I think you should break the dates manually, it would be the most sure way to do it. Niklas -Original Message- From: John Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2. marraskuuta 2001 9:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem Even more funny... I cut and pasted your code and I got; Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2001-03-01 What version of Php and OS are you using?? John Niklas lampén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000301c16369$6817a320$ba93c5c3@Niklas">news:000301c16369$6817a320$ba93c5c3@Niklas... Funny, I quickly tried this: ? $date1 = 12/12/2001; $date2 = 15/01/2002; $date1 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1)); $date2 = date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); print $date1.br; print $date2.br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date1)).br; print date(Y-m-d, strtotime($date2)).br; ? And the result was this: Wed Dec 12 2001 Sat Mar 1 2003 2001-12-12 2003-03-01 Niklas -Original Message- From: John Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2. marraskuuta 2001 8:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] year 2002 strtotime problem I have this problem with Php 4.0.5 on both Win ME and Linus boxes, where my year 2002 dates are converted back to 2001 when formating with 'strtotime'. First I post the following variables from an html page to a php page $date1='12/12/2001' $date2='15/01/2002' I then use date(D M j Y, strtotime($date1); and date(D M j Y, strtotime($date2)); to store them in an array for screen display. As the users have the abilty to selected different dates I need to check that 1 is before the other. To do this I have a script timediff() that I pass the two dates to in the above format. All works fine until the year 2002 is selected. This is part of the timediff() code with dispay statements and the result. function timediff($date1,$date2) { echo 'date1= '.$date1.' ';// displays 'Wed December 12 2001' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$date2.' '; // displays 'Tue January 15 2002' ...correct, all fine so far $dd1=date(Ymd, strtotime($date1)); $dd2=date(Ymd, strtotime($date2)); echo 'date1= '.$dd1.'br';// displays '20011212' ... correct echo 'date2= '.$dd2.' br'; // displays '20010115 ...WRONG } It seem that by applying strtotime a 2nd time might cause this problem, as the first application was fine. I have tested all possible combinations of strtotime but the year 2002 always goes back to 2001 Have also tried just 'strtotime($date1)' but same problem again. Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated as I thought I had finished a booking program any now find this!! Thanks in anticipation John Clarke -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]