Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
On Mon, April 24, 2006 11:24 am, Paul Novitski wrote: At 06:29 AM 4/24/2006, Philip Thompson wrote: I think you are too kind. I think my response would have been likes Jay's... RTFM. However, you went above and beyond. Isn't this listserv great!! =D Thanks, Philip. There may or may not be such a thing as stupid questions but there sure as hell are a lot of stupid answers. We all I also always try to assume the best possible scenario for the original poster -- well, I TRY anyway. For exmaple, the OP in this thread MIGHT be trying to parse HTML scraped off of somebody else's site, and s/he has no control whatsoever over the crap HTML in it. So even this GREAT answer could have been improved by something like: If this is HTML code you are responsible for generating Anyway, assuming that the person posting HAS done their best (whatever that might mean) and trying to help them seems a lot less stressful (to me as the answerer) than just posting RTFM all the time. Obviously, we all lose it at some point, but I long ago realized that assuming the bad posts were the best efforts of the people posting was a lot better for my own sanity than the other options. And, of course, there are certain individuals whose posts I just delete, due to a proven inability, from post after post, to make any attempt at all to do even the simplest search for their info. Though there was that one poster whose employer wouldn't let them surf to the outside world... I almost kinda felt sorry for them and their posts. Not sorry enough to do their job for them, mind you. :-) I also recall some of MY first posts to the PHP list, back when there was only one list. I can guarantee you that some of them got (and deserved!) RTFM answers! But the generosity of others in more directed RTFM answers with links, or with specific search terms, or even generalized guidelines got me through. 'Course, I daresay there are some readers right now wishing I'd been chased away way back when, but so it goes. :-) Well you can't please everybody, so you've got to please yourself. YMMV IANAL -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
On Mon April 24 2006 9:54 pm, Paul Novitski wrote: Rushed, grumpy defender of the underdog, Paul For those of you who are making a joke out of my question, glad to have given you all a laugh. I want to thank everyone else for being so nice and helpful to beginners. Lisa I am not an active participant in this list. But I learn a lot just reading the messages. I also read messages in pgsql-general@postgresql.org . There, even stupid, unresearched questions get serious answers with just gentle nudges. Just follow this thread. The question was: Quote: Subject: to know Message: hello guys, what do u think about the near future of postgre? what is the latest version of postgre? and how it differ from the oldone? who is the leading person on postgre? Unquote http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2006-04/msg01018.php Have a look at the replies. A study in good manners. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar -- Integrated Management Tools for leather industry -- http://www.leatherlink.net Ma Siva Kumar, BSG LeatherLink (P) Ltd, IT Solutions for Leather Industry, Chennai - 600087 Tel : +91 44 55191757 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
Don't know about the postgre list. But answers to such questions can easilly be found on the web. Just use google or RTFM. I answered because i like to help. Hope it was helpfull :) But i can also understand the laughter/frsustration. Don't take it to personal. They just encourage you to RTFM. Best practise and best way to learn. Let them help with real problems and not something you can easily find yourself. This list is great! grt, Thijs On Mon April 24 2006 9:54 pm, Paul Novitski wrote: Rushed, grumpy defender of the underdog, Paul For those of you who are making a joke out of my question, glad to have given you all a laugh. I want to thank everyone else for being so nice and helpful to beginners. Lisa I am not an active participant in this list. But I learn a lot just reading the messages. I also read messages in pgsql-general@postgresql.org . There, even stupid, unresearched questions get serious answers with just gentle nudges. Just follow this thread. The question was: Quote: Subject: to know Message: hello guys, what do u think about the near future of postgre? what is the latest version of postgre? and how it differ from the oldone? who is the leading person on postgre? Unquote http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2006-04/msg01018.php Have a look at the replies. A study in good manners. Best regards, Ma Sivakumar -- Integrated Management Tools for leather industry -- http://www.leatherlink.net Ma Siva Kumar, BSG LeatherLink (P) Ltd, IT Solutions for Leather Industry, Chennai - 600087 Tel : +91 44 55191757 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
Hi guys, RTFM answers with links to the info are fine. I neverminded something like RTFM http://www.php.net/switch. I have found that finding the easier answers can be the most difficult. I have been doing PHP for 3 years. Sometimes there is something simple about a function I cannot quite get. How does an RTFM answer help? It does not. An answer with the link, or exact google keywords is always more helpfull. From pressing a few posters of RTFM answers in other projects' forums I have found out two things: 1) most of them are script kiddies. 2) most of them do not know the answer. They think it is more fun to post the RTFM than to not respond. -- Leonard Burton, N9URK [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prolonged evacuation would have dramatically affected the survivability of the occupants. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 08:45, Leonard Burton wrote: From pressing a few posters of RTFM answers in other projects' forums I have found out two things: 1) most of them are script kiddies. 2) most of them do not know the answer. They think it is more fun to post the RTFM than to not respond. And on the flip side of the coin, some of us here on the PHP list have been around so long that we've seen the same simple, it's in the FM question rehashed over and over and over AND OVER again. When someone brings it up again it just means that rather than use the manual, archives, google, their brain, their own time, they want us to do their work for them... and unlike weberdev we aren't getting paid to cater to idiots. If you carefully comb the archives you'll see that many of us that make quite liberal use of RTFM also quite often give answers to the same simple questions, and often quite recently. I don't remember who's tagline it is... but here the teach a man to fish pearl of wisdom applies -- even if sometimes you have to club him over the head with it. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
On 4/25/06, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you carefully comb the archives you'll see that many of us that make quite liberal use of RTFM also quite often give answers to the same simple questions, and often quite recently. That's a _quite_ true statement, I think :) I have been reading the list for around a year now but unfortunately I haven't really been active. I think maybe we can handle the newbie-style of threads with a protocol (a stateless one is much recommended ;) a) Write a short answer or a pointer to some page about the subject (where an answer could be found. Same applies to the PHP manual) b) Write a pointer to a How-to-ask-questions-the-smart-way-style document, gently pointing out what was wrong. RTFMs may be well deserved if the come back doing it again (which doesn't happen that often) Regards, Ahmed
RE: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
[snip] I'm here for PHP. I love the wit, humor, intelligence, and passion of the list debates, but I'm working my butt off earning my living writing software and simply don't have time to scroll down through some enormous unsnipped quote simply to find thanks! or you weenie! at the bottom. [/snip] Whew! I snipped, bottom-posted, and included a link to a spot in the manual where the OP could learn. I'm golden! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list noise [WAS: How to find img tag and get src of image]
Jay Blanchard wrote: snip I'm golden! I don't remember asking for a list of your sexual perversions. :-p -- John C. Nichel IV Programmer/System Admin (ÜberGeek) Dot Com Holdings of Buffalo 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
