Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 15:01, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Hannes > > Thanks for your e-mail, although design feedback is better to give, when > still designing and not when coding is done already :-) Do you want us to > mockup how the design could be adjusted slightly? > I don't think a full blown mockup is necessary, just minor tweaks to the existing CSS file.. It would be appreciate if you could at least look into it :) -Hannes
AW: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch
Hi Hannes Thanks for your e-mail, although design feedback is better to give, when still designing and not when coding is done already :-) Do you want us to mockup how the design could be adjusted slightly? Cheers Kian Kian T. Gould Geschäftsführer / CEO AOE media GmbH Borsigstr. 18 65205 Wiesbaden Germany Tel. +49 (0) 6122 58 70 24 Fax. +49 (0) 6122 58 70 99 Mobil: +49 (0) 177 38 191 09 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.aoemedia.de/ Pflichtangaben laut Handelsgesetz §37a / Aktiengesetz §35a USt-ID Nr.: DE250247455 Handelsregister: Wiesbaden B Handelsregister Nr.: 22567 Stammsitz: Wiesbaden Creditreform: 625.0209354 Geschäftsführer: Kian Toyouri Gould -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Hannes Magnusson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 22. August 2008 11:59 An: G. T. Stresen-Reuter; Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH Cc: PHP Documentation ML; PHP Webmaster ML Betreff: Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it (sending it to our designer..) :) -Hannes On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46, G. T. Stresen-Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:39 AM, Jean-Sébastien Goupil wrote: > >> That looks like really nice for now. >> I have just few comments about the new design. >> >> Personally, the first thought I had was "Mmm, it looks like a little less >> professional, but looks like the new era of web". >> >> And I spent just 10 minutes browsing it, I have no idea how far you are >> with updating the design but I just want to tell you what I think: >> - the "code examples" don't stick out enough >> - and the user contribution looks like it's part of the actual >> documentation content (I don't think it's good?) > > I know my feedback is unsolicited so I'll try to make it as constructive as > possible... > > One principal of design is "contrast"[1]: make things sufficiently different > to communicate their difference in meaning. For example, headers are > sufficiently larger, bolder, or different in color so as to not be confused > with other text elements that follow. > > I think there are three facets of the existing design that are good examples > of contrast: >- the white space used between headings and body text; >- the light blue boxes on a white background for each section; >- the indenting of the Parameters section. > > I find that the contrast between elements in the new design is not > sufficient enough (for my weary, old eyes) and requires a tad bit more > mental focus to read. > > Also, I bumped up the size of the text in my browser by one notch and found > things much easier to read. The text size is _really_ small in Safari. > > Although personally I like the rounded corners and color scheme, I think > accessibility experts may find the lack of contrast between links and > background to be less than ideal.[2] > > I know "design by committee" is an exercise in frustration so I hope my > feedback isn't taken the wrong way and those responsible find *something* > valuable in these comments. > > Respectfully, > > Ted Stresen-Reuter > http://tedmasterweb.com > > [1] The design principal of "CRAP" was originally presented in Robin > William's The Non-Designer's Design Book and is partially reproduced here > > http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/design-better-with-crap.html > [2] http://juicystudio.com/services/csstest.php#contrast > http://anthonyshort.com.au/blog/comments/how-to-get-cross-browser-compatibility-everytime/ > > and > > http://960.gs/ > > I know I'm coming in late here so this really is FWIW...
Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it (sending it to our designer..) :) -Hannes On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46, G. T. Stresen-Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:39 AM, Jean-Sébastien Goupil wrote: > >> That looks like really nice for now. >> I have just few comments about the new design. >> >> Personally, the first thought I had was "Mmm, it looks like a little less >> professional, but looks like the new era of web". >> >> And I spent just 10 minutes browsing it, I have no idea how far you are >> with updating the design but I just want to tell you what I think: >> - the "code examples" don't stick out enough >> - and the user contribution looks like it's part of the actual >> documentation content (I don't think it's good?) > > I know my feedback is unsolicited so I'll try to make it as constructive as > possible... > > One principal of design is "contrast"[1]: make things sufficiently different > to communicate their difference in meaning. For example, headers are > sufficiently larger, bolder, or different in color so as to not be confused > with other text elements that follow. > > I think there are three facets of the existing design that are good examples > of contrast: >- the white space used between headings and body text; >- the light blue boxes on a white background for each section; >- the indenting of the Parameters section. > > I find that the contrast between elements in the new design is not > sufficient enough (for my weary, old eyes) and requires a tad bit more > mental focus to read. > > Also, I bumped up the size of the text in my browser by one notch and found > things much easier to read. The text size is _really_ small in Safari. > > Although personally I like the rounded corners and color scheme, I think > accessibility experts may find the lack of contrast between links and > background to be less than ideal.[2] > > I know "design by committee" is an exercise in frustration so I hope my > feedback isn't taken the wrong way and those responsible find *something* > valuable in these comments. > > Respectfully, > > Ted Stresen-Reuter > http://tedmasterweb.com > > [1] The design principal of "CRAP" was originally presented in Robin > William's The Non-Designer's Design Book and is partially reproduced here > > http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/design-better-with-crap.html > [2] http://juicystudio.com/services/csstest.php#contrast > http://anthonyshort.com.au/blog/comments/how-to-get-cross-browser-compatibility-everytime/ > > and > > http://960.gs/ > > I know I'm coming in late here so this really is FWIW...
Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it (sending it to our designer..) :) -Hannes On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:39, Jean-Sébastien Goupil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That looks like really nice for now. > I have just few comments about the new design. > > Personally, the first thought I had was "Mmm, it looks like a little less > professional, but looks like the new era of web". > > And I spent just 10 minutes browsing it, I have no idea how far you are with > updating the design but I just want to tell you what I think: > - the "code examples" don't stick out enough > - and the user contribution looks like it's part of the actual > documentation content (I don't think it's good?) > > Unfortunately, I don't have free time to work on this > Anyway, that's a nice job :) > > > -Jean-Sébastien > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Maciek Sokolewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hannes Magnusson wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:43, Jiania Hung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sounds like good idea.if you need help,call me anytime.:) >>> >>> Going through the pages listed on http://pb11.php.net/sitemap.php and >>> upgrade them would be awesome. >>> Currently only the pages linked from the main-top-menu have been >>> upgraded (plus manual pages), with the exception of the download and >>> mailinglist pages (waiting for better designs on those two). >>> >>> Its an extremely easy upgrade procedure, see: >>> http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/phpweb/sites.php?r1=1.46&r2=1.46.2.1 and >>> http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/phpweb/links.php?r1=1.211&r2=1.211.2.1 >>> for instance. >>> >>> See include/layout.inc (bottom) for the definition of the functions. >>> >>> >>> I don't think you have phpweb karma, do you? >>> If not I'm sure we can hook you up after seeing a patch for few files. >>> >>> >>> Ones the basic stuff is completed (see links above) we can start >>> looking into what else needs/should to be done in terms of code >>> rewrite... >>> >>> -Hannes >> >> Wow, that looks awesome! If you need more hands, feel free to say so, I've >> got some free time in the next couple of weeks. >> >> - Tul > > > > -- > Jean-Sébastien Goupil > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.lookstrike.com >
Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch
I forgot to include links to two very useful pages about cross-platform HTML design: http://anthonyshort.com.au/blog/comments/how-to-get-cross-browser-compatibility-everytime/ and http://960.gs/ I know I'm coming in late here so this really is FWIW... Ted S-R
Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch
On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:39 AM, Jean-Sébastien Goupil wrote: That looks like really nice for now. I have just few comments about the new design. Personally, the first thought I had was "Mmm, it looks like a little less professional, but looks like the new era of web". And I spent just 10 minutes browsing it, I have no idea how far you are with updating the design but I just want to tell you what I think: - the "code examples" don't stick out enough - and the user contribution looks like it's part of the actual documentation content (I don't think it's good?) I know my feedback is unsolicited so I'll try to make it as constructive as possible... One principal of design is "contrast"[1]: make things sufficiently different to communicate their difference in meaning. For example, headers are sufficiently larger, bolder, or different in color so as to not be confused with other text elements that follow. I think there are three facets of the existing design that are good examples of contrast: - the white space used between headings and body text; - the light blue boxes on a white background for each section; - the indenting of the Parameters section. I find that the contrast between elements in the new design is not sufficient enough (for my weary, old eyes) and requires a tad bit more mental focus to read. Also, I bumped up the size of the text in my browser by one notch and found things much easier to read. The text size is _really_ small in Safari. Although personally I like the rounded corners and color scheme, I think accessibility experts may find the lack of contrast between links and background to be less than ideal.[2] I know "design by committee" is an exercise in frustration so I hope my feedback isn't taken the wrong way and those responsible find *something* valuable in these comments. Respectfully, Ted Stresen-Reuter http://tedmasterweb.com [1] The design principal of "CRAP" was originally presented in Robin William's The Non-Designer's Design Book and is partially reproduced here http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/design-better- with-crap.html [2] http://juicystudio.com/services/csstest.php#contrast
