Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Domingo,

> I used this two lua scripts to get/generate then:
> 
> 
> 
> --local html = io.open("roseta-code.html"):read("*a")
> local base_url = "http://rosettacode.org;
> local html = io.popen("curl " .. base_url ..
> "/wiki/Category:PicoLisp"):read("*a")
> 
> html = html:gsub("Pages in category
> \"PicoLisp\".- class=\"printfooter\">",
>     function(m)
>         return m:gsub("(/wiki[^\"]+)(\" title=)" ,
>             function(link, title)
>                 return base_url .. link .. "#PicoLisp" .. title
>             end)
>     end)
> 
> print(html)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> local html = io.open("roseta-code.html"):read("*a")
> --local base_url = "http://rosettacode.org;
> --local html = io.popen("curl " .. base_url ..
> "/wiki/Category:PicoLisp"):read("*a")
> 
> local code_links = html:match("Pages in
> category
> \"PicoLisp\".- class=\"printfooter\">")
> 
> for link, title in code_links:gmatch("href=\"([^\"]+).->([^<]+)") do
>     print( string.format("-{^{%s %s}}", link, title))
> end
> 
> 


Thanks a lot!

For completeness, here is the same (if I understand your scripts correctly - I
have no idea of lua) in PicoLisp:


   (in '(curl "-s" "http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:PicoLisp;)
  (from "Pages in category \"PicoLisp\"")
  (while (== "http://rosettacode.org; (till "\"") "#PicoLisp ")
 (from "title=\"")
 (prinl (till "\"") "}}") ) )



As you see, no need for regexps, and no need for the overhead slurping the whole
stuff into memory. Just simple stream processing.

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Domingo Alvarez Duarte]

Hello all !

After participating on the jitisi meeting today I edited this page 
https://picolisp.com/wiki/?PCE and added direct links to rosettacode 
picolisp examples (with #PicoLisp).


I used this two lua scripts to get/generate then:



--local html = io.open("roseta-code.html"):read("*a")
local base_url = "http://rosettacode.org;
local html = io.popen("curl " .. base_url .. 
"/wiki/Category:PicoLisp"):read("*a")


html = html:gsub("Pages in category 
\"PicoLisp\".-",

    function(m)
        return m:gsub("(/wiki[^\"]+)(\" title=)" ,
            function(link, title)
                return base_url .. link .. "#PicoLisp" .. title
            end)
    end)

print(html)





local html = io.open("roseta-code.html"):read("*a")
--local base_url = "http://rosettacode.org;
--local html = io.popen("curl " .. base_url .. 
"/wiki/Category:PicoLisp"):read("*a")


local code_links = html:match("Pages in category 
\"PicoLisp\".-")


for link, title in code_links:gmatch("href=\"([^\"]+).->([^<]+)") do
    print( string.format("-{^{%s %s}}", link, title))
end



Again thank you for all your time and great work !

Cheers !

On 3/7/20 12:21, Alexander Burger wrote:

On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 12:53:03AM -0700, C K Kashyap wrote:

OopsI did not plan my day well...its at 1am here :(I'll have to
join in the morning to see if the meeting is still on.

Oh, a pity! Sorry, we just finished :(

Surely in 2 weeks it is better (16 UTC)

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 12:53:03AM -0700, C K Kashyap wrote:
> OopsI did not plan my day well...its at 1am here :(I'll have to
> join in the morning to see if the meeting is still on.

Oh, a pity! Sorry, we just finished :(

Surely in 2 weeks it is better (16 UTC)

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

OopsI did not plan my day well...its at 1am here :(I'll have to
join in the morning to see if the meeting is still on.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:43 PM Bruno Franco 
wrote:

> Unfortunately, 8 UTC is too early for me XD, I'll have to wait for the 16
> UTC meeting
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:06 PM C K Kashyap  wrote:
>
>> I can't wait :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:46 AM Alexander Burger > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 09:28:09AM -0700, C K Kashyap wrote:
>>> > Just to confirm - is this at 8am UTC on 3rd July?
>>>
>>> Yes, that's right. About 15 hours and 20 minutes from now ;)
>>>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Bruno Franco]

Unfortunately, 8 UTC is too early for me XD, I'll have to wait for the 16
UTC meeting

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:06 PM C K Kashyap  wrote:

> I can't wait :)
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:46 AM Alexander Burger 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 09:28:09AM -0700, C K Kashyap wrote:
>> > Just to confirm - is this at 8am UTC on 3rd July?
>>
>> Yes, that's right. About 15 hours and 20 minutes from now ;)
>>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

I can't wait :)

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:46 AM Alexander Burger  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 09:28:09AM -0700, C K Kashyap wrote:
> > Just to confirm - is this at 8am UTC on 3rd July?
>
> Yes, that's right. About 15 hours and 20 minutes from now ;)
>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 09:28:09AM -0700, C K Kashyap wrote:
> Just to confirm - is this at 8am UTC on 3rd July?

Yes, that's right. About 15 hours and 20 minutes from now ;)

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

Just to confirm - is this at 8am UTC on 3rd July?
regards,
Kashyap

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:42 AM C K Kashyap  wrote:

> Yes, I agree. I am totally onboard with "meet and greet" ... It will be
> good to just interact with folks with similar interests!
>
> Regards,
> Kashyap
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:48 AM Alexander Burger 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kashyap,
>>
>> > Would this be recorded?  There is just not enough picoLisp  video
>> content
>> > out there in my opinion.
>> > I would like a session on History/evolution of Picolisp in your own
>> words
>>
>> AFAIK not in the current setup. Jitsi allows some connection to youtube
>> iirc,
>> but I have not investigated. (beneroth?)
>>
>> I don't mind, but I don't expect linear stuff at this stage, no really
>> useful
>> presentation, more informal talks (e.g. introducing each other).
>>
>> For useful presentations to be recorded for eternity it would be better to
>> prepare *real* presentations. But for such presentations, we don't need to
>> gather at such meetings at all, instead anybody could upload such videos
>> and
>> others may look when they have time :)
>>
>> What do you other guys think?
>>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

Yes, I agree. I am totally onboard with "meet and greet" ... It will be
good to just interact with folks with similar interests!

Regards,
Kashyap

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:48 AM Alexander Burger  wrote:

> Hi Kashyap,
>
> > Would this be recorded?  There is just not enough picoLisp  video content
> > out there in my opinion.
> > I would like a session on History/evolution of Picolisp in your own words
>
> AFAIK not in the current setup. Jitsi allows some connection to youtube
> iirc,
> but I have not investigated. (beneroth?)
>
> I don't mind, but I don't expect linear stuff at this stage, no really
> useful
> presentation, more informal talks (e.g. introducing each other).
>
> For useful presentations to be recorded for eternity it would be better to
> prepare *real* presentations. But for such presentations, we don't need to
> gather at such meetings at all, instead anybody could upload such videos
> and
> others may look when they have time :)
>
> What do you other guys think?
>
> ☺/ A!ex
>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Kashyap,

> Would this be recorded?  There is just not enough picoLisp  video content
> out there in my opinion.
> I would like a session on History/evolution of Picolisp in your own words

AFAIK not in the current setup. Jitsi allows some connection to youtube iirc,
but I have not investigated. (beneroth?)

I don't mind, but I don't expect linear stuff at this stage, no really useful
presentation, more informal talks (e.g. introducing each other).

For useful presentations to be recorded for eternity it would be better to
prepare *real* presentations. But for such presentations, we don't need to
gather at such meetings at all, instead anybody could upload such videos and
others may look when they have time :)

What do you other guys think?

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

Would this be recorded?  There is just not enough picoLisp  video content
out there in my opinion.

I would like a session on History/evolution of Picolisp in your own words
Alex!

Regards,
Kashyap




On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:59 AM Alexander Burger  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 08:42:48AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > The first one is on 3rd of July, 8:00 UTC
> >
> >https://meeting.itship.ch/PilCon
>
> My proposal would be to start free-form, exchanging ideas and questions.
>
> If there is interest, I could explain and demonstrate "FireFight", a
> non-trivial
> PicoLisp project I'm writing for the Catalonian Forest Fire volunteers. It
> involves many aspect of PicoLisp application development, like a central
> database communicating with remote Android (PilBox) devices, replicating
> databases between them, and showing the states in interactive
> OpenStreetMaps.
>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

Hi all,

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 08:42:48AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> The first one is on 3rd of July, 8:00 UTC
> 
>https://meeting.itship.ch/PilCon

My proposal would be to start free-form, exchanging ideas and questions.

If there is interest, I could explain and demonstrate "FireFight", a non-trivial
PicoLisp project I'm writing for the Catalonian Forest Fire volunteers. It
involves many aspect of PicoLisp application development, like a central
database communicating with remote Android (PilBox) devices, replicating
databases between them, and showing the states in interactive OpenStreetMaps.

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

+ 1 ... looking forward to it

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 07:54:22AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The
> time
> > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most
> time
> > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
> tutorials and
> > demonstrations.
>
> OK, so let's try it!
>
> The first one is on 3rd of July, 8:00 UTC
>
>https://meeting.itship.ch/PilCon
>
> I'm looking forward to it :)
>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

Hi all,

On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 07:54:22AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
> could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
> zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials and
> demonstrations.

OK, so let's try it!

The first one is on 3rd of July, 8:00 UTC

   https://meeting.itship.ch/PilCon

I'm looking forward to it :)

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[rick]

Sounds great! Thanks!

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[rick]

Sounds great! Thanks!

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Kevin Ednalino]

Sounds good!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:00 AM Alexander Burger  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after we canceled PilCon 2020, we discussed in this list and in IRC the
> idea of
> doing something online instead. Some people proposed Jitsi.
>
> A linear format of just streaming presentations is a bit uninteresting.
> This
> could be done in a Youtube channel. What do you think about a free-form
> ongoing
> event, with regular shorter meetings?
>
> Beneroth already set up a Jitsi server. He also came up with the name
> "PilClub".
>
> I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
> could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
> zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials
> and
> demonstrations.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> ☺/ A!ex
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Wilhelm Fitzpatrick]

I'd definitely try to join to listen and learn.

On 6/2/20 11:26 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:



On Jun 3, 2020, at 14:54, Alexander Burger  wrote:

I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials and
demonstrations.

Any thoughts?

Nice idea ! :)




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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

Thanks beneroth! It works for me :)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:48 AM  wrote:

> Hi Kashyap
>
> No, there is an webinterface and the app. Feel free to try out my server:
> https://meeting.itship.ch
>
> The webinterface is usually run on the server which is hosting the video
> conference, but they're separate pieces of software ("jitsi meet" and
> "jitsi video bridge"). The app can connect to every publicly accessible
> server, by default it connects to the one operated by the jitsi project
> itself (https://meet.jit.si/).
>
> The webinterface has actually more features (e.g. screen sharing), but the
> app is more optimized (I expect better stream quality / less bandwidth
> load).
> Chrome/chromium is better supported. In the past a single Firefox client
> in a conference could apparently cause higher/multiplication of bandwidth
> load for every participant, though this should be much better with the
> newest version of Jitsi and the newest Firefox.
> See:
> - https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758
> -
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?columnlist=bug_type%2Cshort_desc%2Cproduct%2Ccomponent%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Ccf_status_firefox75%2Ccf_status_firefox76%2Ccf_status_firefox77%2Ccf_status_firefox_esr68%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cchangeddate_format=advanced_whiteboard=jitsi-meet_whiteboard_type=substring_based_on=
>
> Regards,
> beneroth
> On 03.06.20 16:57, C K Kashyap wrote:
>
> Is Jitsi a phone only tool? I only see an apple/android download here -
> https://jitsi.org/#download
>
> Regards,
> Kashyap
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM C K Kashyap  wrote:
>
>> Wonderful idea indeed!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:01 AM Davide BERTOLOTTO <
>> davide.bertolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wonderful idea
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 13:27 O.Hamann >
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ++

 On 03.06.20 07:54, Alexander Burger wrote:
 > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so.
 The time
 > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from
 most time
 > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
 tutorials and
 > demonstrations.

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[andreas]

Hi Kashyap

No, there is an webinterface and the app. Feel free to try out my
server: https://meeting.itship.ch

The webinterface is usually run on the server which is hosting the video
conference, but they're separate pieces of software ("jitsi meet" and
"jitsi video bridge"). The app can connect to every publicly accessible
server, by default it connects to the one operated by the jitsi project
itself (https://meet.jit.si/).

The webinterface has actually more features (e.g. screen sharing), but
the app is more optimized (I expect better stream quality / less
bandwidth load).
Chrome/chromium is better supported. In the past a single Firefox client
in a conference could apparently cause higher/multiplication of
bandwidth load for every participant, though this should be much better
with the newest version of Jitsi and the newest Firefox.
See:
- https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758
-
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?columnlist=bug_type%2Cshort_desc%2Cproduct%2Ccomponent%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Ccf_status_firefox75%2Ccf_status_firefox76%2Ccf_status_firefox77%2Ccf_status_firefox_esr68%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cchangeddate_format=advanced_whiteboard=jitsi-meet_whiteboard_type=substring_based_on=

Regards,
beneroth

On 03.06.20 16:57, C K Kashyap wrote:
> Is Jitsi a phone only tool? I only see an apple/android download here
> -  https://jitsi.org/#download  
>
> Regards,
> Kashyap
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM C K Kashyap  > wrote:
>
> Wonderful idea indeed!
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:01 AM Davide BERTOLOTTO
> mailto:davide.bertolo...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Wonderful idea
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 13:27 O.Hamann  > wrote:
>
> ++
>
> On 03.06.20 07:54, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second
> Friday or so. The time
> > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow
> attendance from most time
> > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with
> questions, tutorials and
> > demonstrations.
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Lindsay Lawrence]

This is a great idea. Count me in.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:59 PM Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after we canceled PilCon 2020, we discussed in this list and in IRC the
> idea of
> doing something online instead. Some people proposed Jitsi.
>
> A linear format of just streaming presentations is a bit uninteresting.
> This
> could be done in a Youtube channel. What do you think about a free-form
> ongoing
> event, with regular shorter meetings?
>
> Beneroth already set up a Jitsi server. He also came up with the name
> "PilClub".
>
> I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
> could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
> zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials
> and
> demonstrations.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> ☺/ A!ex
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

Is Jitsi a phone only tool? I only see an apple/android download here -
https://jitsi.org/#download

Regards,
Kashyap

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM C K Kashyap  wrote:

> Wonderful idea indeed!
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:01 AM Davide BERTOLOTTO <
> davide.bertolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wonderful idea
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 13:27 O.Hamann  wrote:
>>
>>> ++
>>>
>>> On 03.06.20 07:54, Alexander Burger wrote:
>>> > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The
>>> time
>>> > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most
>>> time
>>> > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
>>> tutorials and
>>> > demonstrations.
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[C K Kashyap]

Wonderful idea indeed!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:01 AM Davide BERTOLOTTO <
davide.bertolo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wonderful idea
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 13:27 O.Hamann  wrote:
>
>> ++
>>
>> On 03.06.20 07:54, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The
>> time
>> > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most
>> time
>> > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
>> tutorials and
>> > demonstrations.
>>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Davide BERTOLOTTO]

Wonderful idea

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 13:27 O.Hamann  wrote:

> ++
>
> On 03.06.20 07:54, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The
> time
> > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most
> time
> > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
> tutorials and
> > demonstrations.
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[O.Hamann]

++

On 03.06.20 07:54, Alexander Burger wrote:
> I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
> could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
> zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials and
> demonstrations.

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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[George-Phillip Orais]

Super! I will indeed join and listen to learn more, thanks Alex and
everyone!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:30 PM Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 14:54, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> >
> > I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The
> time
> > could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most
> time
> > zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
> tutorials and
> > demonstrations.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
>
> Nice idea ! :)
>
>
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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 14:54, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> 
> I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
> could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
> zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials and
> demonstrations.
> 
> Any thoughts?

Nice idea ! :)


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Re: Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Mattias Sundblad]

Hello everyone!

I like this idea. We could have a permanent arrangement like this, I think it 
would be very good for the community. 

A nice way to discuss things and raise questions. Count me in!

Mattias

Alexander Burger  skrev: (3 juni 2020 07:54:22 CEST)
>Hi all,
>
>after we canceled PilCon 2020, we discussed in this list and in IRC the
>idea of
>doing something online instead. Some people proposed Jitsi.
>
>A linear format of just streaming presentations is a bit uninteresting.
>This
>could be done in a Youtube channel. What do you think about a free-form
>ongoing
>event, with regular shorter meetings?
>
>Beneroth already set up a Jitsi server. He also came up with the name
>"PilClub".
>
>I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The
>time
>could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most
>time
>zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions,
>tutorials and
>demonstrations.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>☺/ A!ex
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Fridays for Functions (Was: PilCon 2020)

[Alexander Burger]

Hi all,

after we canceled PilCon 2020, we discussed in this list and in IRC the idea of
doing something online instead. Some people proposed Jitsi.

A linear format of just streaming presentations is a bit uninteresting. This
could be done in a Youtube channel. What do you think about a free-form ongoing
event, with regular shorter meetings?

Beneroth already set up a Jitsi server. He also came up with the name "PilClub".

I would propose informal Jitsi meetings every second Friday or so. The time
could be alternating 8:00 and 16:00 UTC, to allow attendance from most time
zones. No big planning and schedule. Let's start with questions, tutorials and
demonstrations.

Any thoughts?

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Re: PilCon 2020

[Guido Stepken]

Lisp, interpreted languages in general, are single core only. Thus, a
Hetzner CX11 offer for 2.98€/month https://www.hetzner.de/cloud always is
sufficient, even for 60 clients.

The is a huge discussion out there about Python GIL, many people claiming,
that Python applications (Django, Flask) couldn't scale.

But there is a solution for that, a very cheap one: You only have to use
multiple A-record entries in DNS for automatic load balancing between
several PicoLisp Hetzner Server instances:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5319649/using-dns-for-failover-using-multiple-a-records

This way, your application will scale _endlessly_ even without a costy load
balancer. That's because the behaviour to pick randomly one of these DNS A
record IP Adresses is built-in into any browser.

Only problem left, is to asynchronously sync the database content across
several physical machines.

I personally tend to use http://dqlite.io , the little, distributed brother
of famous SQLite, which is built in into all browsers under the name
IndexdDB.

But, in fact, "distributed database", in Picolisp, comes for free:

**Integrated Distributed Database Engine**

*Build large, distributed databases with fewer headaches and fewer
dependencies*

Database functionality is built into the core of the VM, making PicoLisp a
language for querying and manipulating databases.

For that, PicoLisp includes a built-in application framework and Prolog
engine so you can create, organize, inspect and change (and even build a
fancy UI for) your data - all with a uniform and concise syntax.

And when it's time to scale, PicoLisp has you covered - creating networks
of distributed databases is built into the core as well. It's simple and
powerful, and makes few assumptions about your application architecture.

From: https://picolisp.com/wiki/?home

With this, Picolisp even beats _extremely expensive_ commercial solutions
..

Especially Closure and Datomic -> dustbin! US bloat!

Have fun!


Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2020 schrieb O.Hamann :
> On 28.04.20 07:38, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5
members so
>> far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I
don't know
>> how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize it

Re: PilCon 2020

[O.Hamann]

On 28.04.20 07:38, Alexander Burger wrote:
> We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5 members 
> so
> far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I don't 
> know
> how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize it.

Thinking of a 1-month-rental of a dedicated server from one of the big
hosters with huge bandwith,

are there any experiences what's required in 1st place to provide good
performance for say, 30-60 users?

cpu cores or ram? 

Or sth else?





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Re: PilCon 2020

[Tomas Hlavaty]

Hi Alex,

> I always used the Jitsi Meet app on Android for audio and video, and sometimes
> additionally Firefox on a Debian PC to demonstrate things on a shared
> screen.

firefox sounds good

Yesterday I tried to watch the Lisp conference but streaming kept
stopping so I had to give up.  Not sure if it was server side issue with
twitch.tv or because of poor internet in Berlin.  If you do a trial run
in advance I should try joining in.

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Re: PilCon 2020

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 18:20, Jean-Christophe Helary 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to 
>> compile 75 for myself.
> 
> There is an account on the way the FSF moved LibrePlanet online and that 
> involved non-exclusively Jitsi, but also voice only (Mumble ?) IRC, etc.

You may have already read the report:

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/how-to-livestream-a-conference-in-just-under-a-week


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 17:09, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to 
> compile 75 for myself.

There is an account on the way the FSF moved LibrePlanet online and that 
involved non-exclusively Jitsi, but also voice only (Mumble ?) IRC, etc.

> And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a 
> question or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation 
> myself?  

Well, there is the possibility that you record the presentation in advance, or 
that you use slides that somebody would push for you.

I'm sure there are plenty of options. That's something that should be explored 
based on the presenter's constraints I guess.


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Wojciech Gac]

Hi Guys,

I agree with Christophe. It's best to organize a rehearsal way ahead
of the actual event to give ourselves time to debug problems and
investigate alternatives in case the proposed approach fails. And
perhaps having pre-recorded presentations (if only as backups) would
put us on the safe side.

Regards,
Wojtek

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:16 AM Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) <
alexander.she...@web.de> wrote:

> Hi Christophe,
>
> Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to
> compile 75 for myself.
>
> And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a
> question or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation
> myself? 
>
> Am 28. April 2020 08:42:58 MESZ schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary <
> jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org>:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) 
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear List,
>>>
>>> My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an 
>>> online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently 
>>> this is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of 
>>> WebRTC.
>>>
>>
>> Try 75. Maybe it is better.
>>
>> I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, but I don't know how to use an USB 
>> headset with either my phone or a tablet. Maybe an analog headphone and the 
>> device's microphone is the way to go.
>>>
>>
>> An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike during 
>> the presentations, there is no real need for a headphone.
>>
>>
>> Jean-Christophe Helary
>> --
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>>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)]

Hi Christophe,

Thanks for responding. Packages has 71 and I do not have the resources to 
compile 75 for myself.

And what should I do in the (unlikely) case that I would want to ask a question 
or even (The spectre of John McCarthy forbid) hold a presentation myself?  

Am 28. April 2020 08:42:58 MESZ schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary 
:
>
>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)
> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List,
>> 
>> My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend
>an online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server.
>Apparently this is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all
>necessary features of WebRTC.
>
>Try 75. Maybe it is better.
>
>> I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, but I don't know how to use an
>USB headset with either my phone or a tablet. Maybe an analog headphone
>and the device's microphone is the way to go.
>
>An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike
>during the presentations, there is no real need for a headphone.
>
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Christophe Gragnic]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:48 AM Jean-Christophe Helary
 wrote:
>
> Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who 
> have presentations to see if things work well ?

I was thinking about having much more time before the event.
Like at least a month or two but I don't have the scheduled dates handy.
And we could have nice little chats!


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:20, Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an 
> online meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently this 
> is Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of WebRTC.

Try 75. Maybe it is better.

> I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, but I don't know how to use an USB 
> headset with either my phone or a tablet. Maybe an analog headphone and the 
> device's microphone is the way to go.

An analog headphone should be sufficient. But if you mute your mike during the 
presentations, there is no real need for a headphone.


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 15:26, Christophe Gragnic  
> wrote:
> 
> 2) We could organize a «warm up» as it is done in music festivals

Definitely. Maybe the day before ? A short rehearsal for all the people who 
have presentations to see if things work well ?


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Christophe Gragnic]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:44 AM Alexander Burger  wrote:
> We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5 members 
> so
> far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I don't 
> know
> how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize it.

Hi,

1) I'm very excited to hear about this idea of virtual gathering.
Sorry for those who could have been to a real gathering,
but this will allow me to participate.

2) We could organize a «warm up» as it is done in music festivals

Re: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)]

Dear List,

My experience using Jitsi with Firefox wasn't good. I tried to attend an online 
meeting with FF 71 and I managed to crash the server. Apparently this is 
Firefox's fault though for not supporting all necessary features of WebRTC.

Unfortunately for me there is no alternative ATM. NetBSD has only FF in 
packages (both on aarch64 and amd64). I'd like to use the Jitsi Android app, 
but I don't know how to use an USB headset with either my phone or a tablet. 
Maybe an analog headphone and the device's microphone is the way to go.

I don't feel up to compiling Chrom{e, ium} myself.

I would be grateful for any hints. TIA.

Love,

-- Alexander 

Am 28. April 2020 07:38:06 MESZ schrieb Alexander Burger :
>Hi Tomas,
>
>> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
>playing around
>> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>> 
>> I tried Jitsi and it seems broken on NixOS (throwing some Java
>exception
>> about a DNS class not found).
>
>We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5
>members so
>far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I
>don't know
>how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize
>it.
>
>> Does Jitsi also work in Firefox?
>
>I always used the Jitsi Meet app on Android for audio and video, and
>sometimes
>additionally Firefox on a Debian PC to demonstrate things on a shared
>screen.
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Tomas,

> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
> > around
> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
> 
> I tried Jitsi and it seems broken on NixOS (throwing some Java exception
> about a DNS class not found).

We used Jitsi a lot during the last weeks. I have tried up to only 5 members so
far, but performance was good. Beneroth has set up his own server. I don't know
how well it scales for more members, and what can be done to optimize it.

> Does Jitsi also work in Firefox?

I always used the Jitsi Meet app on Android for audio and video, and sometimes
additionally Firefox on a Debian PC to demonstrate things on a shared screen.

☺/ A!ex

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Re: PilCon 2020

[Grant Shangreaux]

I attended the LibrePlanet conference virually, and they did use Jitsi for 
presenters and moderators, but the video was re-streamed to attendees with 
Icecast/gstreamer. There's a short article here 
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/how-to-livestream-a-conference-in-just-under-a-week
 with more links included about how they pulled it off.

I can report that it worked quite well, there were some technical difficulties, 
but no more than I'd expect at any tech conference ;) The most common things 
were that the presenters slides would stop advancing in the video stream, so 
having them available for users to follow along individually is a decent idea. 
Having a "moderator" or tech person handling the streaming side of things 
certainly helped presenters just think about their presentation  All of the 
conference interaction was through IRC channels which worked fine. I "met" a 
few people and had some nice conversations, though chat during presentations 
could also be a bit distracting.

Someone had also developed a "hallway" application which I didn't really get to 
use, but the idea was a virtual mingling space in the browser where you could 
see people hanging out in "groups" and go from conversation to conversation. It 
was very alpha state, and I can't seem to find a link to it now...

Since then I've been using Jitsi for family calls and some community groups 
with decent success. This is just with Jitsi's hosting service, and it is 
reported to work better for bigger groups with a self hosted instance.

> Does Jitsi also work in Firefox?

It does work, but the application reports that the experience might be 
degraded. I've generally been using Chromium when participating. Its 
unfortunate, but it works. I've also found that it works much better if I 
reduce my screen resolution on my HiDPI laptop.

I'd certainly love to participate in PilCon :) I'm still an incredible newbie 
with it, but something about it keeps me coming back. I've worked a bit on a 
beginners programming series using picolisp modeled after the games in Land of 
Lisp, but I'm not sure its developed enough to give a presentation on it, and 
it might be "boring" to the advanced engineers on the list :)

Anyhow, I'd be happy to share any other experience from the LibrePlanet 
conference, and happy to try and attend a virtual PilCon when it happens.

Hope everyone is well!
-Grant

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Re: PilCon 2020

[Tomas Hlavaty]

Hi Alex,

Alexander Burger  writes:
> I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is not
> sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how the
> international travel situation will be.

makes sense.  Thanks for letting us know.

> Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
> around
> with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?

I tried Jitsi and it seems broken on NixOS (throwing some Java exception
about a DNS class not found).

Does Jitsi also work in Firefox?

Or another sip client, e.g. linphone?

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Re: PilCon 2020

[Kevin Ednalino]

+1

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:34 PM Bruno Franco 
wrote:

> I am interested too in an online conference. Its the only way I could
> attend anyways. And saving it up for playback on youtube interests me.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:58 AM O.Hamann  wrote:
>
>> Timely, short, clear communication, thank you for that, Alex.
>>
>>
>> I do not really have any real experience with video conferences,
>>
>> but last year I attended a few presentations of a software conference
>> via web and it was quite fun and very inspiring.
>>
>> So thumbs up for your idea - but all I could offer to make that happen
>> is a little donation for bandwidth or hardware rental or so.
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate the opportunity to see some infos concerning pil21
>>
>> or possibly to watch what others are working on with picolisp.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps such a video conference could be a better chance for those who
>> don't live in Germany
>>
>> to show sth to the community, which would be otherwise 'not worth' to
>> travel around for.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22.04.20 07:00, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was
>> canceled.
>> >
>> > I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It
>> is not
>> > sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and
>> how the
>> > international travel situation will be.
>> >
>> > I hope this is OK for everybody.
>> >
>> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
>> playing around
>> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > ☺/ A!ex
>> >
>>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Bruno Franco]

I am interested too in an online conference. Its the only way I could
attend anyways. And saving it up for playback on youtube interests me.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:58 AM O.Hamann  wrote:

> Timely, short, clear communication, thank you for that, Alex.
>
>
> I do not really have any real experience with video conferences,
>
> but last year I attended a few presentations of a software conference
> via web and it was quite fun and very inspiring.
>
> So thumbs up for your idea - but all I could offer to make that happen
> is a little donation for bandwidth or hardware rental or so.
>
>
> I would appreciate the opportunity to see some infos concerning pil21
>
> or possibly to watch what others are working on with picolisp.
>
>
> Perhaps such a video conference could be a better chance for those who
> don't live in Germany
>
> to show sth to the community, which would be otherwise 'not worth' to
> travel around for.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
>
> On 22.04.20 07:00, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was
> canceled.
> >
> > I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is
> not
> > sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how
> the
> > international travel situation will be.
> >
> > I hope this is OK for everybody.
> >
> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing
> around
> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
> >
> > ☺/ A!ex
> >
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[O.Hamann]

Timely, short, clear communication, thank you for that, Alex.


I do not really have any real experience with video conferences,

but last year I attended a few presentations of a software conference
via web and it was quite fun and very inspiring.

So thumbs up for your idea - but all I could offer to make that happen
is a little donation for bandwidth or hardware rental or so.


I would appreciate the opportunity to see some infos concerning pil21

or possibly to watch what others are working on with picolisp.


Perhaps such a video conference could be a better chance for those who
don't live in Germany

to show sth to the community, which would be otherwise 'not worth' to
travel around for.


Kind regards,

Olaf




On 22.04.20 07:00, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was canceled.
>
> I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is not
> sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how the
> international travel situation will be.
>
> I hope this is OK for everybody.
>
> Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
> around
> with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>
> ☺/ A!ex
>


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)]

Hi,

I would actually prefer to attend in person, but given the circumstances, +1 
for an online event.

Best Regards,

-- Alexander

Am 22. April 2020 22:44:35 MESZ schrieb Brian Cleary :
>+1 for online lurker.  I'd also be happy to participate any load tests
>before hand.
>
>On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:37 PM r cs  wrote:
>
>> +1 for online too 8-)
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM C K Kashyap 
>wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for online :)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:48 AM David Bloom 
>wrote:
>>>
 +1 lurker interested in an online conference. While it is
>disappointing
 to not be able to meet people in person it seems that attendance
>will be
 dramatically increased.  Happy to help with testing online tools if
>needed.

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM Jean-Christophe Helary <
 jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
> playing around
> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>
> You must be aware that the FSF's LibrePlanet was moved from IRL to
> Jisti (and others) in just a few days of time. In my personal
>business,
> I've moved all my IRL interactions to Jisti. I find it very
>practical.
>
> Last night I just had a QA/live support session for a piece of
>free
> software that I'm involved with. There were setting issues that
>probably
> were personal technical issues but otherwise the meeting went very
>smoothly.
>
> The ability to stream Youtube for already registered presentations
>is
> something that could definitely be of use in a conference, leaving
>the live
> part for the Q
>
> Also, as a "lurker" and very amateur programer, I would never
>think of
> joining PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were
>online. I am
> sure a lot of people interested in other dialects of Lisp would
>find it
> easier to join too.
>
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Brian Cleary]

+1 for online lurker.  I'd also be happy to participate any load tests
before hand.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:37 PM r cs  wrote:

> +1 for online too 8-)
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM C K Kashyap  wrote:
>
>> +1 for online :)
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:48 AM David Bloom  wrote:
>>
>>> +1 lurker interested in an online conference. While it is disappointing
>>> to not be able to meet people in person it seems that attendance will be
>>> dramatically increased.  Happy to help with testing online tools if needed.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM Jean-Christophe Helary <
>>> jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:
>>>


 > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger 
 wrote:
 >
 > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
 playing around
 > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?

 You must be aware that the FSF's LibrePlanet was moved from IRL to
 Jisti (and others) in just a few days of time. In my personal business,
 I've moved all my IRL interactions to Jisti. I find it very practical.

 Last night I just had a QA/live support session for a piece of free
 software that I'm involved with. There were setting issues that probably
 were personal technical issues but otherwise the meeting went very 
 smoothly.

 The ability to stream Youtube for already registered presentations is
 something that could definitely be of use in a conference, leaving the live
 part for the Q

 Also, as a "lurker" and very amateur programer, I would never think of
 joining PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were online. I am
 sure a lot of people interested in other dialects of Lisp would find it
 easier to join too.


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Re: PilCon 2020

[r cs]

 +1 for online too 8-)

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM C K Kashyap  wrote:

> +1 for online :)
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:48 AM David Bloom  wrote:
>
>> +1 lurker interested in an online conference. While it is disappointing
>> to not be able to meet people in person it seems that attendance will be
>> dramatically increased.  Happy to help with testing online tools if needed.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM Jean-Christophe Helary <
>> jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
>>> playing around
>>> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> You must be aware that the FSF's LibrePlanet was moved from IRL to Jisti
>>> (and others) in just a few days of time. In my personal business, I've
>>> moved all my IRL interactions to Jisti. I find it very practical.
>>>
>>> Last night I just had a QA/live support session for a piece of free
>>> software that I'm involved with. There were setting issues that probably
>>> were personal technical issues but otherwise the meeting went very smoothly.
>>>
>>> The ability to stream Youtube for already registered presentations is
>>> something that could definitely be of use in a conference, leaving the live
>>> part for the Q
>>>
>>> Also, as a "lurker" and very amateur programer, I would never think of
>>> joining PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were online. I am
>>> sure a lot of people interested in other dialects of Lisp would find it
>>> easier to join too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jean-Christophe Helary
>>> ---
>>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>>>
>>>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[C K Kashyap]

+1 for online :)

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:48 AM David Bloom  wrote:

> +1 lurker interested in an online conference. While it is disappointing to
> not be able to meet people in person it seems that attendance will be
> dramatically increased.  Happy to help with testing online tools if needed.
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM Jean-Christophe Helary <
> jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are
>> playing around
>> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>>
>> You must be aware that the FSF's LibrePlanet was moved from IRL to Jisti
>> (and others) in just a few days of time. In my personal business, I've
>> moved all my IRL interactions to Jisti. I find it very practical.
>>
>> Last night I just had a QA/live support session for a piece of free
>> software that I'm involved with. There were setting issues that probably
>> were personal technical issues but otherwise the meeting went very smoothly.
>>
>> The ability to stream Youtube for already registered presentations is
>> something that could definitely be of use in a conference, leaving the live
>> part for the Q
>>
>> Also, as a "lurker" and very amateur programer, I would never think of
>> joining PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were online. I am
>> sure a lot of people interested in other dialects of Lisp would find it
>> easier to join too.
>>
>>
>> Jean-Christophe Helary
>> ---
>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>>
>>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[David Bloom]

+1 lurker interested in an online conference. While it is disappointing to
not be able to meet people in person it seems that attendance will be
dramatically increased.  Happy to help with testing online tools if needed.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 1:35 AM Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> >
> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing
> around
> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>
> You must be aware that the FSF's LibrePlanet was moved from IRL to Jisti
> (and others) in just a few days of time. In my personal business, I've
> moved all my IRL interactions to Jisti. I find it very practical.
>
> Last night I just had a QA/live support session for a piece of free
> software that I'm involved with. There were setting issues that probably
> were personal technical issues but otherwise the meeting went very smoothly.
>
> The ability to stream Youtube for already registered presentations is
> something that could definitely be of use in a conference, leaving the live
> part for the Q
>
> Also, as a "lurker" and very amateur programer, I would never think of
> joining PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were online. I am
> sure a lot of people interested in other dialects of Lisp would find it
> easier to join too.
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
> ---
> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Mattias Sundblad]

Hello,

This is sad, but I think it is the most realistic decision under the
circumstances. Let's hope we can arrange something in the future.

I too would be interested in an online conference.

/ Mattias
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 07:00:21AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was canceled.
> 
> I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is not
> sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how the
> international travel situation will be.
> 
> I hope this is OK for everybody.
> 
> Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
> around
> with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
> 
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Re: PilCon 2020

[cilz]

Hello guys,

I too would be happy to "attend" such a virtual meeting ;-)

Take care, best

Eric

Le 22/04/2020 à 08:13, George-Phillip Orais a écrit :
Same here, as lurker and amateur PicoLisper, I love to join and the 
attend this online PilCon 2020, thank you Alex!



BR,
Geo


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Wojciech Gac]

Having started my adventure with Lisp conferences in 2018 (ELS 2018 in
Marbella, Spain) I got completely hooked up on the idea of meeting
super-interesting people and listening about stuff they're working
on. I'd be excited to join you guys. Of course, being able to meet in
person beats anything, but given the circumstances, an online
conference is the next best thing, I guess.

Cheers,
Wojtek


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:43 AM Wilhelm Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> I'll add my voice as being another who would be interested in an online
> convention.
>
> -Wilhelm
>
> On 4/21/20 11:13 PM, George-Phillip Orais wrote:
> > Same here, as lurker and amateur PicoLisper, I love to join and the
> > attend this online PilCon 2020, thank you Alex!
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Re: PilCon 2020

[andreas]

Hi Jean-Christophe Helary

> There is a thread on hacknews about jisti vs mumble where they mention issues 
> with a large number of people.
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22477785
Thanks for the link. Yeah I think people tested my current instance with
up to 5 people for several hours. Afaik the expected bottleneck on the
server is the internet link.
From what I read, often the client side is running into load problems
with increased number of participants, especially with Firefox.
Apparently their WebRTC implementation is not as optimized as desired.

We should certainly test before the event, and probably I could optimize
some more things on my instance (if that is the bottleneck).
Possible alternatives would surely be Mumble or Teamspeak (no video
streaming, but certainly works for large crowds, I used to use both).

Maybe we should ask presenters to put their slides into LaTex Beam PDF
or HTML format (navigating with arrow keys, e.g.
https://ptrace.fefe.de/hype2 ).
Would have the nice side effect that then it can be downloaded and
viewed at individual speed.

On the other hand, there should be a way to clearly communicate on which
slide the presenter is, without having to tell it every slide.
Could be a little pil app with a special login for the presenter to
select the currently active slide.

- beneroth


On 22.04.20 07:43, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was canceled.
>>
>> I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is not
>> sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how the
>> international travel situation will be.
>>
>> I hope this is OK for everybody.
>>
>> Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
>> around
>> with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
> There is a thread on hacknews about jisti vs mumble where they mention issues 
> with a large number of people.
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22477785
>
> Maybe it would be nive to do tests with a dozen participants or so before 
> going live ?
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
> ---
> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>
>
>


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Wilhelm Fitzpatrick]

I'll add my voice as being another who would be interested in an online 
convention.


-Wilhelm

On 4/21/20 11:13 PM, George-Phillip Orais wrote:
Same here, as lurker and amateur PicoLisper, I love to join and the 
attend this online PilCon 2020, thank you Alex!


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Edgaras Šeputis]

Super lurker here, who just deployed (self hosted) jitsi as part of product
we sell. IMO jitsi is quite good, and if self hosting I would have little
concerns. Also it is not hard to self host with esp with their docker
version, though it currently has a bug with streaming (well due to chrome
dropping flag to not accept insecure certs), which needs ether work around
or just wait a bit, as fix is incoming. All in all it seems good. And can
have big calls, though due to how it all works generally you will not want
to have >10 people sending video, due to network bottlenecks on user side.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:47 AM Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was
> canceled.
> >
> > I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is
> not
> > sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how
> the
> > international travel situation will be.
> >
> > I hope this is OK for everybody.
> >
> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing
> around
> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>
> There is a thread on hacknews about jisti vs mumble where they mention
> issues with a large number of people.
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22477785
>
> Maybe it would be nive to do tests with a dozen participants or so before
> going live ?
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
> ---
> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[George-Phillip Orais]

Same here, as lurker and amateur PicoLisper, I love to join and the attend
this online PilCon 2020, thank you Alex!


BR,
Geo

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:47 PM Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.hel...@traduction-libre.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was
> canceled.
> >
> > I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is
> not
> > sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how
> the
> > international travel situation will be.
> >
> > I hope this is OK for everybody.
> >
> > Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing
> around
> > with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?
>
> There is a thread on hacknews about jisti vs mumble where they mention
> issues with a large number of people.
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22477785
>
> Maybe it would be nive to do tests with a dozen participants or so before
> going live ?
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
> ---
> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
>
>
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Re: PilCon 2020

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was canceled.
> 
> I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is not
> sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how the
> international travel situation will be.
> 
> I hope this is OK for everybody.
> 
> Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
> around
> with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?

There is a thread on hacknews about jisti vs mumble where they mention issues 
with a large number of people.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22477785

Maybe it would be nive to do tests with a dozen participants or so before going 
live ?


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Re: PilCon 2020

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 14:00, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> 
> Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing 
> around
> with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?

You must be aware that the FSF's LibrePlanet was moved from IRL to Jisti (and 
others) in just a few days of time. In my personal business, I've moved all my 
IRL interactions to Jisti. I find it very practical.

Last night I just had a QA/live support session for a piece of free software 
that I'm involved with. There were setting issues that probably were personal 
technical issues but otherwise the meeting went very smoothly.

The ability to stream Youtube for already registered presentations is something 
that could definitely be of use in a conference, leaving the live part for the 
Q

Also, as a "lurker" and very amateur programer, I would never think of joining 
PilCon in Germany, but I'd love to attend if it were online. I am sure a lot of 
people interested in other dialects of Lisp would find it easier to join too.


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PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi all,

yesterday the Oktoberfest, the largest annual event in Bavaria, was canceled.

I think we will also have to cancel the other large event, PilCon. It is not
sure whether such events will be allowed legally by end of July, and how the
international travel situation will be.

I hope this is OK for everybody.

Would it make sense to plan an online conference instead? We are playing around
with Jitsi Meet currently. Any thoughts?

☺/ A!ex

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[C K Kashyap]

Hi all,
For some reason, I thought this was in January. While I still think it will
be difficult for me to join (visa and all). But I have not ruled it out :)
Regards,
Kashyap

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:56 AM Priyadarshan  wrote:

> Thank you for organising this.
>
> I have booked a room for both days and created a wiki account,
> although I am not sure yet how I can help there.
>
> Looking forward to PilCon 2020!
>
> Priyadarshan
>
> Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 2:38:04 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:55:18PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote:
> >> I'm now in the process of collecting more information, and will prepare
> a wiki
> >> page over the next days. We can then all together refine it to have a
> single
> >> landing page with all relevant data.
>
> > Done:
>
> >https://picolisp.com/wiki?PilCon2020
>
> > Please feel free to extend and update it. If you can't or don't want to
> register
> > at the wiki, please send (to me or somebody else) your suggestions!
>
> > ☺/ A!ex
>
>
>
>
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Priyadarshan]

Thank you for organising this.

I have booked a room for both days and created a wiki account,
although I am not sure yet how I can help there.

Looking forward to PilCon 2020!

Priyadarshan

Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 2:38:04 PM, you wrote:

> Hi all,

> On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:55:18PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> I'm now in the process of collecting more information, and will prepare a 
>> wiki
>> page over the next days. We can then all together refine it to have a single
>> landing page with all relevant data.

> Done:

>https://picolisp.com/wiki?PilCon2020

> Please feel free to extend and update it. If you can't or don't want to 
> register
> at the wiki, please send (to me or somebody else) your suggestions!

> ☺/ A!ex




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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi all,

On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 03:55:18PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote:
> I'm now in the process of collecting more information, and will prepare a wiki
> page over the next days. We can then all together refine it to have a single
> landing page with all relevant data.

Done:

   https://picolisp.com/wiki?PilCon2020

Please feel free to extend and update it. If you can't or don't want to register
at the wiki, please send (to me or somebody else) your suggestions!

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Thanks a lot to all who responded so far!

I'm now in the process of collecting more information, and will prepare a wiki
page over the next days. We can then all together refine it to have a single
landing page with all relevant data.

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[O.Hamann]

Hello Alex, hi all,

I would be happy to take part as an attendee,

90..100%

but unfortunately I do not have to contribute much more

than open eyes and ears and possibly some noob questions :-)



A Happy New Year to all of you and your families,

Olaf




On 25.12.2019 10:56, Alexander Burger wrote:

Hi all,

a merry Christmas to everybody! o/


Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about holding
a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.

It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I can get
a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old Langweid
train station building.

With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually interested to
participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).

Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München central
station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg or one
of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).

I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on currently,
anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general PicoLisp
workshop.

One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the largest
user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
interested conference attendees might join to visit them.

Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
picolisp.com.


I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!

☺/ A!ex




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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alfonso Villén]

Hello,

although I won't attend the conference, I want to say thank you for 
organizing this event. It is a lot of work and I hope it is a great success.


I also join the recording proposal. It would be very inspiring to see 
the sessions on video.


Best regards,

Alfonso Villén


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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Kevin,

> Not to derail this thread too much, but a RISC-V port would be a more
> forward-looking prospect.

This is a known issue, and we discussed about it in IRC. Pil64 is unfortunately
not portable to RISC-V. It depends deeply on CPU registers (zero, sign and
carry), which do not exist in RISC-V.

Therefore I'm working on an LLVM-based version, called "pil21". If it works out,
it will replace pil64 in 2021, and it will also solve other portability issues
like MacOS and iOS.


> available yet that can run a proper Linux; for now, qemu can be used for
> emulation.

Most important for today's application use cases is Android. Here pil64 / arm64
runs like a charm.


> In terms of the growing hobbyist/robotics/IoT field, a PilOS port to
> AArch64 (RISC also) like Raspberry Pi would help gain inertia in that

True. Perhaps here too LLVM might help?

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Kevin Ednalino]

Not to derail this thread too much, but a RISC-V port would be a more
forward-looking prospect. Unfortunately, there aren't many commodity SoCs
available yet that can run a proper Linux; for now, qemu can be used for
emulation.

In terms of the growing hobbyist/robotics/IoT field, a PilOS port to
AArch64 (RISC also) like Raspberry Pi would help gain inertia in that
direction (which is also on my TODO list). The fundamental and dynamic
nature of Lisp would make it an appropriate language for that crowd.

I'm not so familiar with ISA development, however, given the open nature of
RISC-V, proper extensions could be developed (with funding...) to support
specific Lisp features at the hardware level like Lisp Machines of the past
or the PilMCU (FPGA)?

Sincerely,
Kevin

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 AM Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> Hi Alexander,
>
> > I would set the probability of my attending at 95%.
>
> OK, noted :)
>
>
> > BTW is Picolisp already ported to NetBSD/arm64?
>
> I'm not sure how the situation is on NetBSD, but it definitely runs fine on
> Arm64. It is my main use case (in Termux/Android and in PilBox), and I
> test it
> from time to time on Debian/Arm64.
>
> ☺/ A!ex
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[r cs]

+1

On Wednesday, December 25, 2019, C K Kashyap  wrote:
> Merry Christmas all!!!
> I cant make it to the meet however I'd request for a good video recording
of the sessions :)
> Regards,
> Kashyap
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:29 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Merry Christmas everybody
>> I will attend 100%.
>>
>> On 25.12.19 10:56, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>> >
>> >
>> > Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel
about holding
>> > a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>> >
>> > It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th.
I can get
>> > a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old
Langweid
>> > train station building.
>> >
>> > With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually
interested to
>> > participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>> >
>> > Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from
München central
>> > station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in
Augsburg or one
>> > of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>> >
>> > I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on
currently,
>> > anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general
PicoLisp
>> > workshop.
>> >
>> > One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with
the largest
>> > user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that
some
>> > interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>> >
>> > Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki
at
>> > picolisp.com.
>> >
>> >
>> > I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>> >
>> > ☺/ A!ex
>> >
>>
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Robert Wörle]

count me in  and if you need help on locations , u know how to contact me !
rob

Am 25.12.2019 um 10:56 schrieb Alexander Burger:

Hi all,

a merry Christmas to everybody! o/


Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about holding
a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.

It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I can get
a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old Langweid
train station building.

With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually interested to
participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).

Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München central
station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg or one
of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).

I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on currently,
anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general PicoLisp
workshop.

One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the largest
user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
interested conference attendees might join to visit them.

Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
picolisp.com.


I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!

☺/ A!ex




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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[pd]

I'd like to go there but I cannot tell nowadays. Anyway I join to the
recording proposal ;-)

greets

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 11:04 AM Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>
>
> Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about
> holding
> a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>
> It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I
> can get
> a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old
> Langweid
> train station building.
>
> With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually
> interested to
> participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>
> Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München
> central
> station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg
> or one
> of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>
> I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on
> currently,
> anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general
> PicoLisp
> workshop.
>
> One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the
> largest
> user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
> interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>
> Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
> picolisp.com.
>
>
> I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>
> ☺/ A!ex
>
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Alexander,

> I would set the probability of my attending at 95%.

OK, noted :)


> BTW is Picolisp already ported to NetBSD/arm64?

I'm not sure how the situation is on NetBSD, but it definitely runs fine on
Arm64. It is my main use case (in Termux/Android and in PilBox), and I test it
from time to time on Debian/Arm64.

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Shendi (Web.DE)]

Dear List, dear Alexander Burger,

Happy Boxing Day! 

I would love to attend. However I don't actively use Picolisp right now. If 
there is enough space, I would love to attend for three days (Monday - 
(optional) Wednesday) arriving on Sunday.

I would set the probability of my attending at 95%.

If any of you has a suggestion for a Picolisp project that I could evolve into 
a Pilcon 2020 presentation, I would be grateful. 

BTW is Picolisp already ported to NetBSD/arm64? 

Have a nice day, 

Alexander 







Am 25. Dezember 2019 10:56:30 MEZ schrieb Alexander Burger 
:
>Hi all,
>
>a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>
>
>Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about
>holding
>a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>
>It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th.
>I can get
>a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old
>Langweid
>train station building.
>
>With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually
>interested to
>participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>
>Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München
>central
>station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in
>Augsburg or one
>of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>
>I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on
>currently,
>anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general
>PicoLisp
>workshop.
>
>One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the
>largest
>user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that
>some
>interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>
>Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki
>at
>picolisp.com.
>
>
>I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>
>☺/ A!ex
>
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Kevin Ednalino]

Hello!

I would be interested in attending, with an 80% chance, ultimately
depending on my work schedule availability. If I make significant progress
on my current PicoLisp project by then, I could contribute a presentation :)

Sincerely,
Kevin


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 10:04 AM Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>
>
> Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about
> holding
> a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>
> It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I
> can get
> a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old
> Langweid
> train station building.
>
> With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually
> interested to
> participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>
> Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München
> central
> station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg
> or one
> of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>
> I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on
> currently,
> anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general
> PicoLisp
> workshop.
>
> One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the
> largest
> user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
> interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>
> Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
> picolisp.com.
>
>
> I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>
> ☺/ A!ex
>
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Vid,

> I have been awol for several years now I know, but I would love to come if
> that is ok.

Sure! :)

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[vukini]

Merry Christmas all!

I have been awol for several years now I know, but I would love to come if that 
is ok. 

Vid

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On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, at 3:53 AM, C K Kashyap wrote:
> Merry Christmas all!!!
> I cant make it to the meet however I'd request for a good video recording of 
> the sessions :)
> Regards,
> Kashyap
> 
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:29 AM  wrote:
>> Merry Christmas everybody 
>>  I will attend 100%.
>> 
>>  On 25.12.19 10:56, Alexander Burger wrote:
>>  > Hi all,
>>  >
>>  > a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about 
>> holding
>>  > a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>>  >
>>  > It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I 
>> can get
>>  > a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old 
>> Langweid
>>  > train station building.
>>  >
>>  > With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually 
>> interested to
>>  > participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>>  >
>>  > Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München 
>> central
>>  > station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg 
>> or one
>>  > of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>>  >
>>  > I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on 
>> currently,
>>  > anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general 
>> PicoLisp
>>  > workshop.
>>  >
>>  > One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the 
>> largest
>>  > user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
>>  > interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>>  >
>>  > Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
>>  > picolisp.com.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>>  >
>>  > ☺/ A!ex
>>  >
>> 
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Karl-Heinz Kreis]

Merry Christmas to Everybody.

Up front he Monday and Tuesday of the proposal would fit my
workschedule, my attendance is at 80% set.

Regards,Karl-Heinz


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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[C K Kashyap]

Merry Christmas all!!!
I cant make it to the meet however I'd request for a good video recording
of the sessions :)
Regards,
Kashyap

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:29 AM  wrote:

> Merry Christmas everybody
> I will attend 100%.
>
> On 25.12.19 10:56, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
> >
> >
> > Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about
> holding
> > a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
> >
> > It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I
> can get
> > a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old
> Langweid
> > train station building.
> >
> > With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually
> interested to
> > participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
> >
> > Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München
> central
> > station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in
> Augsburg or one
> > of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
> >
> > I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on
> currently,
> > anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general
> PicoLisp
> > workshop.
> >
> > One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the
> largest
> > user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that
> some
> > interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
> >
> > Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
> > picolisp.com.
> >
> >
> > I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
> >
> > ☺/ A!ex
> >
>
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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[andreas]

Merry Christmas everybody 
I will attend 100%.

On 25.12.19 10:56, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>
>
> Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about 
> holding
> a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>
> It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I can 
> get
> a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old Langweid
> train station building.
>
> With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually interested to
> participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>
> Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München 
> central
> station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg or 
> one
> of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>
> I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on currently,
> anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general 
> PicoLisp
> workshop.
>
> One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the 
> largest
> user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
> interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>
> Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
> picolisp.com.
>
>
> I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>
> ☺/ A!ex
>

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Priyadarshan]

Hello Alexander,

Wednesday, December 25, 2019, 10:56:30 AM, you wrote:

> Hi all,

> a merry Christmas to everybody! o/


> Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about 
> holding
> a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.

> It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I can 
> get
> a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old Langweid
> train station building.

> With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually interested to
> participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).

> Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München 
> central
> station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg or 
> one
> of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).

> I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on currently,
> anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general 
> PicoLisp
> workshop.

> One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the 
> largest
> user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
> interested conference attendees might join to visit them.

> Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
> picolisp.com.


> I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!

> ☺/ A!ex


Thank you for the good news. I appreciate very much it is
planned so well in advance.

If newbies to PicoLisp like me are allowed to come to the
PicoLisp Conference, I would definitely attend 100% (beside
"force of nature" kind of events of course).

Peaceful festivities and a most Peaceful Year to you and all
PicoLispers,

Priyadarshan


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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Williams]

Hello and Merry Christmas!

I will be there, 95% attendance, assuming no unexpected crazyness.

I would also like to make a presentation, but I haven't decided on the 
topic yet.


See you all soon,


AW

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019, Alexander Burger wrote:


Hi all,

a merry Christmas to everybody! o/


Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about holding
a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.

It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I can get
a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old Langweid
train station building.

With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually interested to
participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).

Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München central
station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg or one
of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).

I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on currently,
anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general PicoLisp
workshop.

One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the largest
user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
interested conference attendees might join to visit them.

Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
picolisp.com.


I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!

☺/ A!ex

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Re: Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Mattias Sundblad]

Hello everyone!

This is a great idea. I will be there, 90% chance of attending.

Best wishes,
Mattias


Alexander Burger  skrev: (25 december 2019 10:56:30 CET)
>Hi all,
>
>a merry Christmas to everybody! o/
>
>
>Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about
>holding
>a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.
>
>It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th.
>I can get
>a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old
>Langweid
>train station building.
>
>With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually
>interested to
>participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).
>
>Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München
>central
>station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in
>Augsburg or one
>of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).
>
>I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on
>currently,
>anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general
>PicoLisp
>workshop.
>
>One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the
>largest
>user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that
>some
>interested conference attendees might join to visit them.
>
>Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki
>at
>picolisp.com.
>
>
>I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!
>
>☺/ A!ex
>
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Proposal: PilCon 2020

[Alexander Burger]

Hi all,

a merry Christmas to everybody! o/


Since a few weeks we were discussing in the #picolisp IRC channel about holding
a PicoLisp Conference in Langweid / Germany next year.

It would be on July 27th (Mon), 28th (Tue), and - if necessary - 29th. I can get
a room and equipment for about 30 people, in "Kulturbahnhof", the old Langweid
train station building.

With this mail I'd like to find out how many people are actually interested to
participate, and their probabilities of attendance (in percent).

Langweid is by train 15 minutes from Augsburg, or one hour from München central
station. There are some hotels/pensions in Langweid, and more in Augsburg or one
of the villages nearby (reachable by train or bus).

I could make two or three presentations about what I'm working on currently,
anybody else is welcome to do the same, and/or we could make a general PicoLisp
workshop.

One of the oldest PicoLisp customers (since 2002, also the one with the largest
user base) is about 3 km from Langweid, and I have a probable OK that some
interested conference attendees might join to visit them.

Let's discuss further details here in the list, or perhaps in the wiki at
picolisp.com.


I wish peaceful days and a good start into 2020 for all of you!

☺/ A!ex

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