Re: [pinhole-discussion] best pinhole size for Altoid Box
What is the best pinhole size for the Altiod box pinhole camera if the ultimate results desired are very sharp pictures? Steve - Carmel, CA
[pinhole-discussion] "Authentic" vs. Technologically Manipulated Art Work
Thanks to David Ocampo for brining up this interresting topic. I think the discussion of whether artists should be true to their medium or whether we should embrace new technology applies to us pinholers because many of us are taking a minimalistic approach to a technologically advanced medium: photography. A negative from a pinhole camera is the most honest image of real space that one can create. Ironically, pinhole photography also tends to distort our perception of time. So both preservation of reality and distortion of reality are inherant traits of pinhole photography. For this reason I think pinhole photography appeals to both "grass roots" photographers, and "abstract experimentalists" alike. Everyone's got their preferences (I just deleted the last half of this email in which I quite concisely explained my preferences for black and white prints representing an actual event in time and space over computer-manipulated images on a screen). My point is: make images that appeal to you. Chances are, there will be other people out there who appreciate them as well. As for those people who don't appreciate the way you make your images, well, they obviously don't value the same things as you. So what. Keep Pinholin' (or if you prefer, switch to computer generated 3D animation) Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] Thank you!
Thank you for all the great info! You folks rule!!! Yes, I agree 35mm is little bitty. I have a Rolleicord, will experiment with that too. I also appreciate the link to the prefab covers and the scanner measuring of a pinhole. So the syringe hole will be too small. I going to strike out with the aliminum can and a size 14 sewing needle. (I do believe that they are smaller as the number gets larger) I can order sheeting from Riogrande.com, but while that's on order I'll experiment with this. The epoxying a step ring for filters is genious as is the lens cap idea I will attempt the scanner measuring technique and try like heck to achieve some reciprocity towards f-stops I know and understand. Man this is fun! Thanks again, I will watch the list for insight and if you don't mind post more questions. Johanna :) ps...The prefab ones are pretty cool...tempting, but first I want to experiment...hehehe ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinholes
Excellent! Love 'em. leezy
[pinhole-discussion] digtal lightroom
For me there is no way back to the Dark(room) Ages. I began with pinhole photography three years ago, and at the same time I began working with the digital lightroom. The simplicity and playfullness of pinhole photography is a parallell to how to work with the pictures on the computor screen (A bit more contrasty? 15 per cent, or 25? No, lets make it 20) Instead of testing and working for hours in the darkness and at the same time use chemicals that are bad for the environment. I don´t think I had begun with colour prints if I had to do it in the darkroom. I print my pinholes with inkjet on water colour paper (akvarellpapper) which I think gives the pictures more life than the glossy and flat photo papers. Okej, sometimes I can be a bit nostalgic about fine art printing, like selenium toning and double exposure baths - but that is a craft that will survive on the margin, like other old fashioned crafts have survived because of entusiasts who like the old methods. In an interview I once read with the traditional photography icon Ansel Adams he said that if he was young today (this was in the late 80:s) he would rather work with video. That was a bit shocking for me then, when I tried to learn the zone system and make landscape photography in black and white with a 5x7 wooden view camera. Jan Hinderson PS If there are any Swedes, Danes or other people on the list passing southern Sweden this summer you are welcome to my exhibition at the Greenhouse Café (Orangericafét) at Hoby Kulle mansion, Bräkne-Hoby, Blekinge, Sweden (at E22, 150 kilometers from the Malmoe/Copenhagen area). It is open daily 12-18, from 29 June to 19 August. DS
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Food for thought
I also agree with Jeff regarding where digital tools fit into photography and image making in general. I've always thought of myself as a visual artist rather than photographer or painter, enjoying both painting and photography. I have never been very good at darkroom technique, but have instead focused on the image itself - for both painting and pinhole photography, this starts (for me) with the choice of subject matter and then composing the image. Around 8 years ago, I sold my 4x5 enlarger and most of my darkroom equipment in order to make the transition to a digital darkroom. Well, there really wasn't much of anywhere to go at the time, so I just did a lot of playing around with photoshop, and continued to take pinhole photos. And I quit painting. For me, I now use the pinhole camera to select a subject and form a composition, then I use the computer to "paint" the canvas. I don't mean that I apply some magical digital filter to the image to turn it into a watercolor look-alike. Rather, what I do is go over the entire image, almost pixel by pixel and corrent blemishes or dust spots from the scan, alter the colors as I might select colors when painting, rework any of this as I might a painting, until I have what I want. In almost all things I have done so far in this digital environment, the resulting image is almost completely faithful to the one made by the pinhole camera, except for being much cleaner and perhaps more "brighter". Then I "freeze" the image on a CD, from which I can make prints. I know there are "professional" businesses that can do a better job of matching colors to a standard, and can produce perhaps more archival prints that I am doing right now. But I'm not really interested in that. I focus on the image I capture digitally and then focus on working on that image until it looks like I want it. These two areas are my new found art form. I respect and enjoy many art forms, but this is the one that I really enjoy right now. Photography itself did not begin as an art form, but rather as a technology. It was quite a while before it was ever taken seriously as visual art by the art establishment. I imagine that digital tools and media for visual art will continue to be controversial for the forseeable future. - Gregg > -Original Message- > From: rust...@aol.com [mailto:rust...@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:51 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Food for thought > > > I have to agree with Jeff. I the early days of photography, > new techniques > were being introduced quite rapidly and practitioners had to > continuously > learn new techniques, acquire new cameras and darkroom > equipment. It wasn't > until Kodak started developing film and making prints for the > masses that the > introduction of radically new techniques was slowed or > halted. Kodak and > other firms were invested in particular techniques and spent > their research > funds in perfecting their investment (I know this is a bit > simplistic, but I > hope it gets the point across) . Digital photography is the > first major > innovation to come down the pike in a long time and in some > ways it buts > photography back into the control of the individual for > better or worse. > Another interesting parallel. With the invention of the > printing press the > interest in, and sale of,lluminated manuscripts increased ( I > think I read > this in a book called "The History of Reading"). Perhaps it > was because of > the increased dissemination of printed matter that allowed > people also became > aware of hand made books or perhaps it was the need for those > with wealth to > segregate their "superior" tastes from common purchasers of > "pulp" fiction. > The same thing seems to be happening today but may be not for > exactly the > same reasons. > Rusty. > > In a message dated 6/27/01 12:09:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > pinhole-discussion-request@p at ??? writes: > > > > I think that idea of technological depth has some > > > effect on a print's uniqueness, and more to the > > > point, it directly relates to the issue I have > > > been calling "authenticity." The deeper the > > > technology the less the > > > authenticity. > > > > The following view may not be politically correct, on > > a pinhole photography discussion group, but here goes... > > > > I guess this guy would have to argue that music produced on > > vinyl is some how more authentic than music produced on > > compact discs, if indeed "The deeper the technology, the less > > the authenticity" Technology advances and changes, but that > > fact doesn't diminish the integrity of the art which it > > facilitates, at least in my mind. > > > > The author appears to forget that the processes that he > > embraces as "more authentic" were technologically cutting > > edge at one time, and were undoubt
Re: [pinhole-discussion] best paint to use for tins
And a coat of metal primer after sanding and before the black paint wouldn't hurt either. It is made to stick well to metal, and other paints stick to it. John - Original Message - From: "G.Penate" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] best paint to use for tins > > - Original Message - > From: "gina" > > > > I've tried making a couple of pinhole cameras out of different types of > > tins and have a chronic problem-the black paint flakes off and doesnt > adhere > > well to the inside of the metal tins. Can anyone recommend a better > paint? > > Currently using Krylon matte black. > > My solution for that problem was to sand the inside of the can with a rough > sandpaper and then paint it with regular paint, the oldest can was painted 6 > or 7 years ago and still no flaking. Try sanding and then spray painting > it, it just may work. > > Guillermo > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] Food for thought
I have to agree with Jeff. I the early days of photography, new techniques were being introduced quite rapidly and practitioners had to continuously learn new techniques, acquire new cameras and darkroom equipment. It wasn't until Kodak started developing film and making prints for the masses that the introduction of radically new techniques was slowed or halted. Kodak and other firms were invested in particular techniques and spent their research funds in perfecting their investment (I know this is a bit simplistic, but I hope it gets the point across) . Digital photography is the first major innovation to come down the pike in a long time and in some ways it buts photography back into the control of the individual for better or worse. Another interesting parallel. With the invention of the printing press the interest in, and sale of,lluminated manuscripts increased ( I think I read this in a book called "The History of Reading"). Perhaps it was because of the increased dissemination of printed matter that allowed people also became aware of hand made books or perhaps it was the need for those with wealth to segregate their "superior" tastes from common purchasers of "pulp" fiction. The same thing seems to be happening today but may be not for exactly the same reasons. Rusty. In a message dated 6/27/01 12:09:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pinhole-discussion-request@p at ??? writes: > > I think that idea of technological depth has some > > effect on a print's uniqueness, and more to the > > point, it directly relates to the issue I have > > been calling "authenticity." The deeper the > > technology the less the > > authenticity. > > The following view may not be politically correct, on > a pinhole photography discussion group, but here goes... > > I guess this guy would have to argue that music produced on > vinyl is some how more authentic than music produced on > compact discs, if indeed "The deeper the technology, the less > the authenticity" Technology advances and changes, but that > fact doesn't diminish the integrity of the art which it > facilitates, at least in my mind. > > The author appears to forget that the processes that he > embraces as "more authentic" were technologically cutting > edge at one time, and were undoubtedly denigrated as not > being as "authentic", at that time, as the technology which > preceeded it. > > I usually find that people who argue in this way are usually > those who have become entrenched in a particular manner of > doing things, despite advances in technology. As time > progresses, and easier and better ways are found to accomplish > tasks, they become frustrated as they see relative amateurs able > to effortlessly produce the same photographic effects that > they continue to labor for hours and hours to produce. > It is no wonder that they become resentful and denigrate > other processes as "less authentic". > > In 200 years, folks will think it is hilarious that anyone > ever argued that a darkroom with an enlarger was any more > authentic than a "darkroom" with a scanner and ink printer! > > I love pinhole photography, and the unique images that can be > created, but I do not feel "married" to the low technology way > of doing everything in photography, nor do I feel my "art" is > any more "authentic" if all my output is the result of 50 year > old methods of producing images. I like to mix in high tech > componants that work for me- a pentax > digital spot meter, a palm pilot to assist me with difficult > exposure problems, a microtek scanner to scan negatives and > digitally adjust output. And, if I choose to make my final > prints with an inkjet, then anyone would be hard pressed to > make me feel guilty! > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] best paint to use for tins
--- gina wrote: > I've tried making a couple of pinhole cameras out of different types of > tins and have a chronic problem-the black paint flakes off and doesnt adhere > well to the inside of the metal tins. Can anyone recommend a better paint? > Currently using Krylon matte black. Try taking sand paper and sanding the inside before painting. This will ensure that the paint adheres to the inner surface. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] best paint to use for tins
- Original Message - From: "gina" > I've tried making a couple of pinhole cameras out of different types of > tins and have a chronic problem-the black paint flakes off and doesnt adhere > well to the inside of the metal tins. Can anyone recommend a better paint? > Currently using Krylon matte black. My solution for that problem was to sand the inside of the can with a rough sandpaper and then paint it with regular paint, the oldest can was painted 6 or 7 years ago and still no flaking. Try sanding and then spray painting it, it just may work. Guillermo
[pinhole-discussion] best paint to use for tins
I've tried making a couple of pinhole cameras out of different types of tins and have a chronic problem-the black paint flakes off and doesnt adhere well to the inside of the metal tins. Can anyone recommend a better paint? Currently using Krylon matte black. Gina http://home.ix.netcom.com/~ginabell/index.html
Re: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinholes
In a message dated 6/27/2001 11:44:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, m...@etal.uri.edu writes: > as to the question about digital pinholes, i have done quite a few--you can > see them on www.meggould.net, there is a pinhole section divided into > "traditional" 4x5 pinholes and then the digital pinhole portraits section. > i > Your pictures are very interesting...aside from the fact that they are made using a pinhole. Bravo! Any problems when using a digital camera? In traditional photography we face reciprocity problems...any unique digital problems? Joel
[pinhole-discussion] digital pinholes
hi. i have been a passive member of this list for a while, thoroughly enjoying it... as to the question about digital pinholes, i have done quite a few--you can see them on www.meggould.net, there is a pinhole section divided into "traditional" 4x5 pinholes and then the digital pinhole portraits section. i used a canon d30let me know what you think! meg
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Two Zone Plate Photos
This was a finney pinhole camera, set on zone plate pinhole at, I believe, 150mm focal length. The nude was a 3.5 minute exposure, and, i forget the exposure on the statue. TMax 100 film. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, M wrote: > >A couple of new zone plate scans, one of St. Francis, > >and one of a nude. I don't know if St. Francis would > >approve of the nude, but anyway... > > > >(if these URLs get chopped into two lines, you may have > >to piece them back together in your browser...) > > > >http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=max&start=&pic=Francis_in_the_garden.jpg > > > >http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=max&start=&pic=nude.jpg > > > What kind of camera did you use? > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Its funny...We just completed a great 5 day pretty much total immersion PhotoShop class here at Peters Valley. There were 5 people in various levels of computer/photographic skill. My 16 enlarger darkroom had a brace of G-4's with printers humming away. It was ,of course photographed, with my a 2x3 PinHole camera (got quite a laugh from the participants)...but it all felt like it fit together. I'm liable to scan the negatives & print them on an Epson printer. I can play with them much faster (& a lot cheaper) to experiment with the images. If there is something really different or interesting I have a head start to make some silver prints or perhaps digitally enlarge & rework the negative for platinum printing. Please remember...computers are just tools, like roll film and pinhole lenses... if it fits the vision, use it... have a great day! andy schmitt ps..if I can ramble on just a second more...We had a staff photographer from the New York Times at the class who wants a body cap PH made for his Canon D30 -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Jeff Dilcher Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:27 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Food for thought .. snip... I love pinhole photography, and the unique images that can be created, but I do not feel "married" to the low technology way of doing everything in photography, nor do I feel my "art" is any more "authentic" if all my output is the result of 50 year old methods of producing images. I like to mix in high tech componants that work for me- a pentax digital spot meter, a palm pilot to assist me with difficult exposure problems, a microtek scanner to scan negatives and digitally adjust output. And, if I choose to make my final prints with an inkjet, then anyone would be hard pressed to make me feel guilty! .. end of snip...
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hello
> Hello, hi there ... > I am using a body cap with a larger hole cut out, > about 5mm or 6mm and then I am applying soda can > aluminum to it. Thin enough? sounds ok. > I will be using a 30 gauge syringe needle. Which is > smaller than a pin. I called BD (manufacturers) and > found the external diameter is 0.012mm. 0.012 mm _OUTER_ diameter sounds a bit impossible to me for syringe needle. If you have the opportunity you may try to get a sample of insect pins of different size. They are inexpensive, quite hard and can be grinded with a fine grinding stone to get a sharp edge that may help drilling in aluminim etc. > I am using this size film to start out with because > it's portable - well heck anything is portable :) - The drawback of 35 mm film is that it's just, well, 35 mm film. If you are out for maximum sharpness in your pictures you will get profit from larger sizes (but who in the world wants a really sharp pinhole photo? ;-) ). That's why me (who made his first pinholes a bit like you on 35 mm film) has purchased a semi-rotten Kiev 60 recently via ebay to get some more film area ... keep on! martin adler -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net -- GMX Tipp: Machen Sie Ihr Hobby zu Geld bei unserem Partner 1&1! http://profiseller.de/info/index.php3?ac=OM.PS.PS003K00596T0409a
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Two Zone Plate Photos
>A couple of new zone plate scans, one of St. Francis, >and one of a nude. I don't know if St. Francis would >approve of the nude, but anyway... > >(if these URLs get chopped into two lines, you may have >to piece them back together in your browser...) > >http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=max&start=&pic=Francis_in_the_garden.jpg > >http://hiddenworld.net/pinhole/?cmd=max&start=&pic=nude.jpg What kind of camera did you use?
