Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Cool! sounds promising and interesting. I hope we'll get to see the images when you're done. kt Gordon J. Holtslander wrote: > > Hi: > > What got me thinking this way was how the landscape was so big and > appeared to be filled with nothing but open space. > > I was trying to think of a way of making a print where much of it was > nothing but blank paper. I wanted a stripe of something at the top and
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Hi: What got me thinking this way was how the landscape was so big and appeared to be filled with nothing but open space. I was trying to think of a way of making a print where much of it was nothing but blank paper. I wanted a stripe of something at the top and bottom and a few things in the middle and nothing else, but blank paper. I would skip the "first step" so that I would only print selected parts of the image. When I began thinking about using the computer to select parts of the image to print, I realized it would be possible to print these selected parts in different colors. (Long trip plenty of time to think :) ) I would end up with a print that looked a little bit like the landscape my kids used to draw; a stripe of blue across the top for the sky a stripe across the bottom for the ground and the subject stuck in-between. Of course I see this getting complicated - Want to do it with a wide aspect - the 6x18 camera we're planning on building. Images made with such a camera won't fit in a regular scanner. Would have to take it to a service bureau and use a drum scanner, or make a contact print cut it into pieces to fit in the scanner and stitch it back together on the computer. Might be easier to try and do it all in the darkroom. Guess I should try it on small pictures first. Anyone had success using pictorio's ohp transparency film with inkjet printers? http://www.pictorico.com/lproduct.asp?id=4 Gord On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Katharine Thayer wrote: > I left out the first step, where you lay down the image with a first > exposure in monochrome, black or brown or whatever would harmonize with > your colors, and then for the second exposure you put the different > colors on where you want them. > kt > > Katharine Thayer wrote: > > > > Now you're TALKIN', Gordon. Another possible way to do the same thing > > might be to selectively coat different-colored emulsions on different > > areas of the paper, and print in one exposure. Would require only one > > negative. > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 -
Re: [pinhole-discussion] More Food for toughts [Fwd: Arnold Gassan reported to have died]
For every beautiful digital image/print there will be 1,000 crappy ones, the same as with any other photographic medium, silver based, platinum, gum, cyano, you name it... It's the photographer's vision that makes a 'good' or 'bad/banal' photo, and of course, one persons wow! is another's yuk! Tina From: Guy Glorieux Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: Pinhole List Subject: [pinhole-discussion] More Food for toughts [Fwd: Arnold Gassan reported to have died] Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:58:15 -0400 Hi everybody, Here is more food for thoughts about the debate over digital printing. The late Arnorld Gossen has used the digital medium in his late years quite extensively, as witenessed in his web site at http://www.agdigitalprints.com/ As for me, I am quite indifferent about the issue altough I use the computer a lot as a tool to previsualize what I can expect to get in the darkroom. I've moved recently to Lith printing in the darkroom on fiber paper, but if for some reason the digital medium proves more convenient to achieve my goal from a viual standpoint, I'll move there with no hesitation... Cheers,-:)) Guy << message3.txt >> _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
My use of the word "emulsions" here was confusing to some, and I'm not sure why I used it myself. What I meant was gum bichromate using different colors in different parts of the image. I hope that's more clear. kt Katharine Thayer wrote: > > Now you're TALKIN', Gordon. Another possible way to do the same thing > might be to selectively coat different-colored emulsions on different > areas of the paper, and print in one exposure. Would require only one > negative. >
[pinhole-discussion] More Food for toughts [Fwd: Arnold Gassan reported to have died]
Hi everybody, Here is more food for thoughts about the debate over digital printing. The late Arnorld Gossen has used the digital medium in his late years quite extensively, as witenessed in his web site at http://www.agdigitalprints.com/ As for me, I am quite indifferent about the issue altough I use the computer a lot as a tool to previsualize what I can expect to get in the darkroom. I've moved recently to Lith printing in the darkroom on fiber paper, but if for some reason the digital medium proves more convenient to achieve my goal from a viual standpoint, I'll move there with no hesitation... Cheers,-:)) Guy --- Begin Message --- I'm forwarding this from the Photo History group... > List: > > According to Jerry Robinson, Arnold Gassan has died. While I have written > to Laird, his wife, seeking confirmation, I will risk writing in the belief > that this sad news is true. > > > Many on this list will have known Arnold. He wore many hats. He was an > exceptionally gifted pedagogue. His _A Handbook For Contemporary > Photography_ remains a model of lucidity and practical usability. His > classroom activities are by now legendary. He carried these skills over into > his later practice as a psychiatric counselor, obtaining further credentials > late in his life. His compassion and pithy grit went hand in hand. Arnold > had walked the difficult walks before he deigned to offer advice to others. > > In recent years Arnold had been most unwell, afflicted with a very painful > cancer which had invaded his bones. For all of that, he had only recently > remodeled his workroom at the time of his reported death, and was full of > projects. > > Despite his constant pain, Arnold was still very much alive and open to new > things. We exchanged books and ideas frequently. He was still making > prints. Still photographing. Still going to his self-imposed work > counseling others. > > Arnold had a gritty knowledge of life, informed with passion and compassion. > He was a compassionate fellow, in the tough love school I should opine. He > had no time for grandiosity. He had what American author Edward Dahlberg > descried as "the rustic potato line". > > I am saddened to see that no post concerning Arnold and his many services to > photography, to pedagogy, and to people has appeared now on PhotoHst. I > myself feel saddened, lonely, and yes, bereft -- without Arnold. > > This would be an appropriate time for Listmembers to take the measure of the > stature of Arnold Gassan, man and colleague. > > --"Quarterplate" --- End Message ---
[pinhole-discussion] best paint to use for tins
> I've tried making a couple of pinhole cameras out of different types > of tins and have a chronic problem-the black paint flakes off and > doesnt adhere well to the inside of the metal tins. Can anyone > recommend a better paint? Currently using Krylon matte black. Hi Gina, Tetenal produces a pretty good super-matt lacquer which I have used for all my pinhole cameras. Available from Silverprint at: http://www.silverprint.co.uk/dark31.html Greetings Brahma
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Its not quite that bad ... the dog would have to be a Great Dane :) There is a section of the road where there are only 3 corners over 45 min to an hour of driving, otherwise the road is _completely and perfectly_ straight - Gord On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, G.Penate wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Gordon J. Holtslander" > > > Had an idea while driving halfway across the priairies last weekend - > > Calgary to Saskatoon... > > Is it true that in the prairies, it is so flat that one can see a dog > running away from you for days and days? > > Guillermo > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 -
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
I left out the first step, where you lay down the image with a first exposure in monochrome, black or brown or whatever would harmonize with your colors, and then for the second exposure you put the different colors on where you want them. kt Katharine Thayer wrote: > > Now you're TALKIN', Gordon. Another possible way to do the same thing > might be to selectively coat different-colored emulsions on different > areas of the paper, and print in one exposure. Would require only one > negative. >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Now you're TALKIN', Gordon. Another possible way to do the same thing might be to selectively coat different-colored emulsions on different areas of the paper, and print in one exposure. Would require only one negative. Katharine Thayer Gordon J. Holtslander wrote: > > Had an idea while driving halfway across the priairies last weekend - > Calgary to Saskatoon... > > I was stuck by how what I was seeing was big swatches of single colors. > Big reddish sky, big dark blue clouds huge green fields, long black > strip of road heading off into infinity. > > I'm working with large pinhole black and white negatives, but I'm struck > by the color, and I'm beginning to work again with gum bichromate. One can > build an image by printing repeatedly with different pigments and > negatives on same paper. > > I could make multiple false color seperation negs. One neg for the sky > printed red, one neg for clouds printed dark blue one neg for green > fields, one for the road etc. > > I can make a multicolor image where I print different parts of the image > in different colors (of my choice). > > Should be able to create the mutliple negs with a computer. > > Next to impossble without a computer. > > Gord > > - > Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology > hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place > http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan > Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan > Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 > - > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: digital pinholes
I would say every form of photography, digital and traditional, is quite magical. We would all be burned at the stake 300 years ago if we took a person or object and made it show up life like on a 2 dimensional piece of paper. lisa r - Original Message - From: Mike Vande Bunt To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: digital pinholes > The stuff you can do digitally with a program such as Photoshop > goes way beyond alchemy and into the realm of wizardry! > > Mike Vande Bunt > > aa...@deadlettertype.com wrote: > > > what's missing from most digital photorgaphy is alchemy. what started as a largely chemical process has, with the introduction of digital processes, become laregly mechanical. that, in my mind marks a major difference. > > /aaron's 2¢... > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: digital pinholes
The stuff you can do digitally with a program such as Photoshop goes way beyond alchemy and into the realm of wizardry! Mike Vande Bunt aa...@deadlettertype.com wrote: > what's missing from most digital photorgaphy is alchemy. what started as a > largely chemical process has, with the introduction of digital processes, > become laregly mechanical. that, in my mind marks a major difference. > /aaron's 2¢... >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Hello Gordon, You can most certainly do this with gum and a computer to generate the negs. But, if you want to stay in the darkroom (as opposed to digital lightroom), shoot transparencies, then enlarge these onto multiple B&W sheet films in your darkroom. Then tape the (identical) negs to a bright window and paint out the areas you don't want to print with Kodak Opaque or similar product. Use your choice of registration methods and print away in an assortment of realistic colors (or not!). I did a series like this (with, he says quietly, a lens camera) a few years back. You can see some on my webpage (see signature). Go to the fine art page, then the "downtown portfolio". Good luck. -- Tom Ferguson http://www.ferguson-photo-design.com > From: "Gordon J. Holtslander" > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought" > > Had an idea while driving halfway across the priairies last weekend - > Calgary to Saskatoon... > > I was stuck by how what I was seeing was big swatches of single colors. > Big reddish sky, big dark blue clouds huge green fields, long black > strip of road heading off into infinity. > > I'm working with large pinhole black and white negatives, but I'm struck > by the color, and I'm beginning to work again with gum bichromate. One can > build an image by printing repeatedly with different pigments and > negatives on same paper. > > I could make multiple false color seperation negs. One neg for the sky > printed red, one neg for clouds printed dark blue one neg for green > fields, one for the road etc. > > I can make a multicolor image where I print different parts of the image > in different colors (of my choice). > > Should be able to create the mutliple negs with a computer. > > Next to impossble without a computer.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids
me to...but the paint removal & roughing up the area if it is still glossy is very important for proper adhesion.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of G.Penate Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:00 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids - Original Message - From: "Marcy Merrill" > John: Interesting, but not very pretty. You want pretty an functional? try this: http://users.iol.it/qua.fabio/pinhole.htm > I may have to borrow your idea as > it's a good one. My next project is to try Gordon's idea of soldering nuts > onto the Pintoids. What kind of glue did you use? I have glued nuts to metal using epoxy glue (black in color, specifically made for metal + other materials) and have had no problems as long as you remove the paint around and under the nut. Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
that sounds like a great ideaWe're hosting a 5 day Gum Bichromate workshop this weekend being taught by Scot McMahon, a noted PinHole Photographer. I'll print this out & pass it on to him & see if he has any ideas... neat stuff! andy schmitt -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Gordon J. Holtslander Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:24 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought" Had an idea while driving halfway across the priairies last weekend - Calgary to Saskatoon... I was stuck by how what I was seeing was big swatches of single colors. Big reddish sky, big dark blue clouds huge green fields, long black strip of road heading off into infinity. I'm working with large pinhole black and white negatives, but I'm struck by the color, and I'm beginning to work again with gum bichromate. One can build an image by printing repeatedly with different pigments and negatives on same paper. I could make multiple false color seperation negs. One neg for the sky printed red, one neg for clouds printed dark blue one neg for green fields, one for the road etc. I can make a multicolor image where I print different parts of the image in different colors (of my choice). Should be able to create the mutliple negs with a computer. Next to impossble without a computer. Gord - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 - ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids
- Original Message - From: "Marcy Merrill" > John: Interesting, but not very pretty. You want pretty an functional? try this: http://users.iol.it/qua.fabio/pinhole.htm > I may have to borrow your idea as > it's a good one. My next project is to try Gordon's idea of soldering nuts > onto the Pintoids. What kind of glue did you use? I have glued nuts to metal using epoxy glue (black in color, specifically made for metal + other materials) and have had no problems as long as you remove the paint around and under the nut. Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
- Original Message - From: "Gordon J. Holtslander" > Had an idea while driving halfway across the priairies last weekend - > Calgary to Saskatoon... Is it true that in the prairies, it is so flat that one can see a dog running away from you for days and days? Guillermo
[pinhole-discussion] "Authentic" vs. Technologically Manipulated Art Work
I agree with Jeremy Seimens (see below for clip) the whole thing about "authentic" art is really absurd: authentic according to who? it can only be that individual or group of individuals. If a person feels more free in the "digital lightroom" or using older techniques then both are fine so long as they are happy with their results and enjoy themselves. I also agree there is a lot going for digital techniques: lower environmental/health toxicity, light work environment, ease of manipulation etc... The reason I write is that I think this also bears on who the viewer of your work is and why you do it. Speaking for myself I am a hobbyist, images I generate pretty much don't go much further that my family and friends. I'm sure that there are many on this list who are the same. Other photographers seek critical adulation. Others are purely comercial. I'm sure that across all these groups and between them there are both photographic purists, digital embracers and some inbetween both camps (me included). But I suspect that as Jeff Dilcher alluded to yesterday some of the more established and powerful members of the community (those who have acheived critical success) use their weight to denigrate digital work as they (perhaps) feel threatened by it. This is simply through ignorance, as having struggled and many times lost the battle with trying to get (for example) good colour constancy from print of negative scan to a computer screen and then from that screen to a printer I know that the digital lightroom is no less skilled a place than the photographic darkroom. This list is truly fascinating as it exists in an electronic [fairly] high technological space, yet it is about the oldest and simplest method of image capture (far simpler even than the eyes that present the image to our minds). This probably means that I am preaching to the converted when I say that in my opinion a digital method is as authentic as a chemical method for producing images. What matters is the image and the satisfaction of the image maker and not the method used to make it. Tom Hawkins __ CLIP: Everyone's got their preferences (I just deleted the last half of this email in which I quite concisely explained my preferences for black and white prints representing an actual event in time and space over computer-manipulated images on a screen). My point is: make images that appeal to you. Chances are, there will be other people out there who appreciate them as well. As for those people who don't appreciate the way you make your images, well, they obviously don't value the same things as you. So what. Tom Hawkins thomas.hawk...@ucl.ac.uk Phone: 020 7679 4437 Fax: 020 7679 7349
Re: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinholes
hi there! when i've been at the photokina in cologne last year, there were some people of monochrome (www.monochrome.de i think). in germany they distribute lots of pinhole stuff, like the zero 200 etc. they also wanted to take digital pinholes at the photokina using a "professional" 4x5" digital back, but it wasn't possible. they said the back won't get enough light for that. instead they used a zone-plate with the digital back, and they did not have any problems with that. i think they had some photos of that on their webpage. it was pretty funny. they did use studio-flashes for taking the pictures (4000 Ws I think. or 2 4000 Ws!!) which were close to the people. and because the flashes were that close the people had to wear this "glasses" with which you can look at the eclipse. i think they had use that strong flashes because of the digital back. so it got enough light. but as it seems there aren't any problems with the D30. greetings carsten. On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, megg wrote: > hi. i have been a passive member of this list for a while, thoroughly > enjoying > it... > as to the question about digital pinholes, i have done quite a few--you can > see them on www.meggould.net, there is a pinhole section divided into > "traditional" 4x5 pinholes and then the digital pinhole portraits section. i > used a canon d30let me know what you think! > meg > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] best pinhole size for Altoid Box
Steve Shapiro wrote: > What is the best pinhole size for the Altiod box pinhole camera if the > ultimate results desired are very sharp pictures? Steve; Would you be referring to the average Pintoid tin, the Spytoid (tiny tin), THE BIG TIN, or the Love tin? Just kidding. I've got a chart that gives suggested pinhole sizes for a variety of focal lengths. I you'd like, I can scan it and send it to you. -MM Marcy Merrill Photographer www.merrillphoto.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids
John Yeo wrote: "> I use sheet metal cut from recycled film cans pop riveted to the camera and > bent up in the corner to hold ... http://www.???/discussion/upload/images_2001/john_yeo_altoids hutter.jpg " John: Interesting, but not very pretty. I may have to borrow your idea as it's a good one. My next project is to try Gordon's idea of soldering nuts onto the Pintoids. I think I'll put them on the large side opposite the pinhole. At first, I tried to glue them onto an edge. They got in the way of the light proofing tape. I've posted more images to http://www.merrillphoto.com/pintoids.htm My first attempts at stereo pinholing with THE BIG TIN are there, along with more stuff from the Spytoids. -MM Marcy Merrill Photographer www.merrillphoto.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] yet another 2 cents on" Food for thought"
Had an idea while driving halfway across the priairies last weekend - Calgary to Saskatoon... I was stuck by how what I was seeing was big swatches of single colors. Big reddish sky, big dark blue clouds huge green fields, long black strip of road heading off into infinity. I'm working with large pinhole black and white negatives, but I'm struck by the color, and I'm beginning to work again with gum bichromate. One can build an image by printing repeatedly with different pigments and negatives on same paper. I could make multiple false color seperation negs. One neg for the sky printed red, one neg for clouds printed dark blue one neg for green fields, one for the road etc. I can make a multicolor image where I print different parts of the image in different colors (of my choice). Should be able to create the mutliple negs with a computer. Next to impossble without a computer. Gord - Gordon J. Holtslander Dept. of Biology hol...@duke.usask.ca112 Science Place http://duke.usask.ca/~holtsgUniversity of Saskatchewan Tel (306) 966-4433 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Fax (306) 966-4461 Canada S7N 5E2 -
[pinhole-discussion] Re: digital pinholes
what's missing from most digital photorgaphy is alchemy. what started as a largely chemical process has, with the introduction of digital processes, become laregly mechanical. that, in my mind marks a major difference. /aaron's 2¢...
