[pinhole-discussion] New wide-eyed questions :
Hello: Well, after all that ruckus I started about the 127 and 620 cameras I bought to convert to pinhole, the cost and availability of film, awkwardness of development and discouragement from hacking the cameras led me back to eBay. I feel like some fool watching the Home Shopping Network. I bought an 18 x 23 bellows (M-O-O !) [sorry, if you haven't figured out I have a weird sense of humor by now, well, there's your confirmation] today, and a 4-pack of rubber 4x5 development tanks...I guess it's Goodbye 35mm pinhole for me soon. Maybe I should get referred the camera builders part of the Internet? I suppose I could do a variety of things with the bellows...maybe large xray sheets film for pinhole, plastic storage boxes for developing. Not pinhole, but the pinhole camera I made out of a 35mm Kodak SLR orphaned some Schneider lensesmight make an interesting field camera, but for the shutter. Any advice besides cutting my credit card in half? Murray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Duraclear (was Re: enlarging paper negatives)
on 11/13/2001 4:04 PM, Jack Duganne at duga...@earthlink.net wrote: here is a listing on e-bay for duraclear paper - good price jack http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1294059223
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Duraclear (was Re: enlarging paper negatives)
There is a bunch of that (Duraclear)on EBay now in the photo section... andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of R Duarte Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 6:42 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Duraclear (was Re: enlarging paper negatives) There's an exhibit at Massachusetts College of Art right now that I think uses this stuff. The gallery is kind of dark and the 20x24(?) color prints are each in their own custom-made light boxes. I think they're printed on that Duraclear stuff - I heard from a photo major in one of my classes that they paid about $300 for a box of it. rob From: Chris Peregoy pere...@gl.umbc.edu Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:44:35 -0500 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives Students of mine have bought this through our local camera store. Kodak lists it in 8x10 in 50 sheet boxes cat. # 813-3522. Kodak's list price is $104.35 but their catalog is usually 40% higher then local prices, at least here in Baltimore. b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/12/01 1:16:35 PM, pere...@gl.umbc.edu writes: Has anyone tried Kodak Duraclear in their camera. Duraclear is a display material that can be sent through a processor. It is color paper emulsion on a clear base. That sounds like a fantastic idea. Where is it available...do you happen to know? leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- HTML HEAD TITLE/TITLE /HEAD BODY BR Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/ /BODY /HTML ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film instead of photo paper
I also use 10X12 half-tone film and develop with dilute Dektol. The pictures Jimmy at http://members.home.net/hmpi/Pinhole/Images/PinholeImages.htm and We Are Glad you Are Here at http://members.home.net/hmpi/AltProcess/Images/AltImages.htm were made this way. The advantage of this film is that it is so cheap (something like 50 cents per sheet of 10X12). George, When you say half-tone film (and cheap), are you in a way talking about lith film ? What brand ? Ricardo.
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Duraclear (was Re: enlarging paper negatives)
Duraclear or Duratrans?
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Duraclear (was Re: enlarging paper negatives)
on 11/13/2001 3:42 PM, R Duarte at ra...@rahji.com wrote: There's an exhibit at Massachusetts College of Art right now that I think uses this stuff. The gallery is kind of dark and the 20x24(?) color prints are each in their own custom-made light boxes. I think they're printed on that Duraclear stuff - I heard from a photo major in one of my classes that they paid about $300 for a box of it. rob From: Chris Peregoy pere...@gl.umbc.edu Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:44:35 -0500 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives Students of mine have bought this through our local camera store. Kodak lists it in 8x10 in 50 sheet boxes cat. # 813-3522. Kodak's list price is $104.35 but their catalog is usually 40% higher then local prices, at least here in Baltimore. b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/12/01 1:16:35 PM, pere...@gl.umbc.edu writes: Has anyone tried Kodak Duraclear in their camera. Duraclear is a display material that can be sent through a processor. It is color paper emulsion on a clear base. That sounds like a fantastic idea. Where is it available...do you happen to know? leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- HTML HEAD TITLE/TITLE /HEAD BODY BR Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/ /BODY /HTML ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ here is a listing on e-bay for duraclear paper - good price jack http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1294059223
[pinhole-discussion] opaque projectors
Jeremy wrote: One idea that I did have was to use a special projector that can project images from opaque sources. These projectors really exist, my highschool art class had one (we used it to enlarge images from books and project them onto the wall). They work like overhead (transparency) projectors, but instead transmitting light through the image, they shine a bright light upon the image and a lense system focusses the reflected light onto the wall. The resulting image would not be as bright as an overhead projector, but in a dark room we could see the image clearly. In theory, one could use such a device to enlarge paper negatives. The only challenges I can forsee are that there is some light leakage from the projector (this may cloud your unexposed paper) and I think these projectors are hard to come by (I've only seen two in my life, and they were both old). Hi Jeremy, Rosanne here. I've got two of those. One is an old monster and one is less than 10 years old. You can still get them in Art Supply Catalogues. They are NOT cheap. But they both give out way too much light to be useful because the superheated air has to go somewhere. And most don't focus well under 6'. Rosanne
[pinhole-discussion] Paper negatives
Katharine Thayer wrote: Reading the rest of the thread I see the rest of you are talking about color paper; I was talking about black and white paper. Sorry about the misreading... Hi Katharine, I personally was talking about BW paper negatives only. I always use single weight paper. My primary paper USED to be Kodak's Kodabromide F2s, but I'm using Ilford's Multicontrast now. A professor of mine tried color negatives in pinhole. You get a GREAT negative, can never get a color contact print, but I don't think he tried projecting it in an enlarger. Rosanne
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: enlarging paper negatives
Ive seen these in craft stores like Micheals and hobby lobby.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
In a message dated 11/13/2001 10:21:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, geme...@hotmail.com writes: I do not think eather 116 or 616 film is made; only 120 today. Actually, it is still available through specialty film mail-order companies. It's pricey, though. Maggie
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: enlarging paper negatives
they're actually easy to come by. a company called artograph makes a bunch of different models. i have a really cheap one that i got from A.C. Moore (a craft store chain in the US) for about $7! it works but the lens obviously isn't as good as the kind you'd find in an enlarger or something. rob From: Jeremy Siemens jaramec...@yahoo.com Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:48:53 -0800 (PST) To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: enlarging paper negatives In the past I have thought of ways to enlarge paper negatives, but never got around to it (I just decided to build cameras that will take bigger paper negatives). One idea that I did have was to use a special projector that can project images from opaque sources. These projectors really exist, my highschool art class had one (we used it to enlarge images from books and project them onto the wall). They work like overhead (transparency) projectors, but instead transmitting light through the image, they shine a bright light upon the image and a lense system focusses the reflected light onto the wall. The resulting image would not be as bright as an overhead projector, but in a dark room we could see the image clearly. In theory, one could use such a device to enlarge paper negatives. The only challenges I can forsee are that there is some light leakage from the projector (this may cloud your unexposed paper) and I think these projectors are hard to come by (I've only seen two in my life, and they were both old). Just some thoughts, Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: oily negs, print swap
this one? http://www.rahji.com/noindex/pinholexmas.php3 (btw, it's not a xmas swap.. i just didn't change the url since i didn't want people who got it early on to get confused.) rob From: aa...@deadlettertype.com Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 13 Nov 2001 10:39:50 -0800 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: oily negs, print swap i'm curious whata kind of oil you put on the paper negs? does it make a huge difference in the positive? also i was hoping that somebody could repost the web address of the list of participants in the print swap, i seem to have lost it... /aaron ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Re: enlarging paper negatives
In the past I have thought of ways to enlarge paper negatives, but never got around to it (I just decided to build cameras that will take bigger paper negatives). One idea that I did have was to use a special projector that can project images from opaque sources. These projectors really exist, my highschool art class had one (we used it to enlarge images from books and project them onto the wall). They work like overhead (transparency) projectors, but instead transmitting light through the image, they shine a bright light upon the image and a lense system focusses the reflected light onto the wall. The resulting image would not be as bright as an overhead projector, but in a dark room we could see the image clearly. In theory, one could use such a device to enlarge paper negatives. The only challenges I can forsee are that there is some light leakage from the projector (this may cloud your unexposed paper) and I think these projectors are hard to come by (I've only seen two in my life, and they were both old). Just some thoughts, Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com
[pinhole-discussion] Re: oily negs, print swap
i'm curious whata kind of oil you put on the paper negs? does it make a huge difference in the positive? also i was hoping that somebody could repost the web address of the list of participants in the print swap, i seem to have lost it... /aaron
[pinhole-discussion] Re: 116 vs 616 film?
Guillermo wrote: Same problem, Guy. ...arg! If you already have 116 film and have two 616 spools, re-spooling your 116 on 616 is an option too. I do, but I haaate respooling... Thanks Guillermo and Gordy! Guy
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
- Original Message - From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca I just discovered that I have a Kodak 616 folder with negative sizes 4 1/4 x 2 1/2 that is virtually new. Inside it says to use 616 format. Can I put in 116 format or will I run into the same problems as 120 vs 620? Same problem, Guy. 116 preceded 616. The latter being the same size film as the 116 (2.5), was made with smaller diameter spool to fit thinner cameras. 616 still is available from places selling film for classic cameras. If you already have 116 film and have two 616 spools, re-spooling your 1116 on 616 is an option. too. Guillermo
RE: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
I think it is a spindle problem...I went through my box of antiquities (junk box according to others... came up with a BRAND NEW ROLL of VP616! It only went out of date in 1971. Though knowing verichrome pan, it's probably still good I could let you have it for some princely sum befitting its worth... 8o) Let me know off line what you think... k? andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Guy Glorieux Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: Pinhole List Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film? Hi, I know we had a discussion about the availabilty of 116 film recently. However, I can't remember if this covered the question of 616 format vs 116 format. I just discovered that I have a Kodak 616 folder with negative sizes 4 1/4 x 2 1/2 that is virtually new. Inside it says to use 616 format. Can I put in 116 format or will I run into the same problems as 120 vs 620? Thanks (and my apologies if this was already covered in the earlier discussion). Guy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
I do not think eather 116 or 616 film is made; only 120 today. Gordy 116 and 616 were discontinued in 1984. See: http://www.geocities.com/thombell/oldroll.html
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
I know we had a discussion about the availabilty of 116 film recently. However, I can't remember if this covered the question of 616 format vs 116 format. I just discovered that I have a Kodak 616 folder with negative sizes 4 1/4 x 2 1/2 that is virtually new. Inside it says to use 616 format. Can I put in 116 format or will I run into the same problems as 120 vs 620? Guy One of the best places to get information about old film sizes is Thom Bells web site. http://www.geocities.com/thombell/#3
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
I do not think eather 116 or 616 film is made; only 120 today. Gordy From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: Pinhole List pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film? Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:53:08 -0500 Hi, I know we had a discussion about the availabilty of 116 film recently. However, I can't remember if this covered the question of 616 format vs 116 format. I just discovered that I have a Kodak 616 folder with negative sizes 4 1/4 x 2 1/2 that is virtually new. Inside it says to use 616 format. Can I put in 116 format or will I run into the same problems as 120 vs 620? Thanks (and my apologies if this was already covered in the earlier discussion). Guy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
[pinhole-discussion] 116 vs 616 film?
Hi, I know we had a discussion about the availabilty of 116 film recently. However, I can't remember if this covered the question of 616 format vs 116 format. I just discovered that I have a Kodak 616 folder with negative sizes 4 1/4 x 2 1/2 that is virtually new. Inside it says to use 616 format. Can I put in 116 format or will I run into the same problems as 120 vs 620? Thanks (and my apologies if this was already covered in the earlier discussion). Guy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] enlarging paper negatives
Katharine Thayer wrote: Reading the rest of the thread I see the rest of you are talking about color paper; I was talking about black and white paper. Sorry about the misreading... Katharine, You did'nt misread! The discussion strated with using 4X5 black and white paper negatives in the enlarger and somehow shifted to color paper negatives... Your question related to fiber-based paper. In my own case, I've used both paper negatives from RC and from fiber-based paper with success. This was some years ago and I was not concerned about how fine the image would look. Rather, I was experimenting to see how far the image could be taken when going through a process of repeated duplications with paper negatives onto positives onto negatives... I got some rather interesting abstract results but I have no idea where I've put them. Cheers, Guy
