Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Back for Pinhole?
The older Model 500 4x5 sheet film back will not work properly with the new (current production) polaroid sheet film. If you are very carefull, you can use the new film in the old back, but it is VERY easy to do it wrong -- wasting a sheet of film. Any Model 545 back should work properly (it ia almost fool proof) no matter how old it is. Mike Vande Bunt Steve Bell wrote: Hey everyone, I've another question. I'm really interested in making a pinhole camera with a 4x5 polaroid back. does anyone have any information or tips for me? my main question would be, does it matter how old the 4x5 back is? i've looked on ebay and found some, but they all say 'this is a very old, but working product'. will it still take film? secondly, i'm assuming the best material to make it out of would be wood? also, again any tips would be very welcome. thanks, --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole nude question
Didn't mean to discourage pinhole at all, just wanted you to be aware of the problems I had had. Give it a try, by all means. Just be sure you have a cooperative model or at least a comfortable one! Colin __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space
Hmm, well let's see. i originally began with the idea of places where people go to reclaim the past. for example, diners. i go to diners all the time, and a friend of mine started talking to me about the idea of authentic space. like, in the 50's diners were kind of this ideal for the future. all stream lined and chrome and neon. now diners are this ideal of the past. this space where people feel like they are part of something authentic. we also talked about how yuppie artist types get apartments in more urban areas, and nouveau bourgoise people buy industrial type buildings and turn them into living spaces so they can feel more conntected to the working class that they've left behind. this is all architectural theory that she had been reading. it got me very interested. so i've been shooting authentic space. i started off just doing diners and thrift stores, but i've now started relying more on my instincts, shooting whatever feels like authentic space, rather than defining it by these specific criteria. so there you have it. more sociological than truth in pinhole relations of time and space. cheers, steve [Original Message] From: ethereal art ethereal...@mindspring.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 10/27/2002 6:27:58 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] authentic space From: Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net so after almost a year on this list, i finally made a pinhole camera. it was absolutely necessary for this project i am doing (authentic space) So Steve, define your term authentic space. Inter-dimensional photography? Truth in pinhole relations of time and space? Reality check through a pinhole? ;-) Rosanne ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon
[pinhole-discussion] authentic space
From: Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net so after almost a year on this list, i finally made a pinhole camera. it was absolutely necessary for this project i am doing (authentic space) So Steve, define your term authentic space. Inter-dimensional photography? Truth in pinhole relations of time and space? Reality check through a pinhole? ;-) Rosanne
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole nude question
Hi Catherine, Thanks for saying you like my work, and I'm glad to hear that looking at it was of help. Thought you and anyone else interested might find it useful to know that those three nudes (including the one you mention specifically) were all done indoors usually with one 500 Watt light. The film was T-Max 100. Exposures with a lens were usually 4 to 16 seconds at f=16 if I remember correctly. The pinhole exposures usually were about 20 minutes at the least, often more like 30, and sometimes as long as 40 minutes. It's not a coincidence that the pinhole poses are mostly reclining. That's about the only way to stay still for that length of time. Often the model would fall asleep! I can remeber a session or two during which I set up the pinholes, let them go, spent 10 or fifteen minutes doing lens photos, and still had time to get out a sketchbook and do some drawings before finishing the pinhole exposures and setting up a new pose! Colin __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Back for Pinhole?
Steve, I would stay away from the model 500 back. For PinPolaroids I just tape a 50 sheet 4x5 film box to the front of my polaroid back. If you want real wide angle you can use a 10 sheet box or a 100 sheet box for a closer to normal view. The 10 sheet box works well with multiple pinholes. You can mount a T-nut in a piece of 1x2x5 inch wood and rubber band this to you box/back combo to allow for tripod use. = Original Message From Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net = Hey everyone, I've another question. I'm really interested in making a pinhole camera with a 4x5 polaroid back. does anyone have any information or tips for me? my main question would be, does it matter how old the 4x5 back is? i've looked on ebay and found some, but they all say 'this is a very old, but working product'. will it still take film? secondly, i'm assuming the best material to make it out of would be wood? also, again any tips would be very welcome. thanks, --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ Chris Peregoy pere...@umbc.edu http://userpages.umbc.edu/~peregoy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] zone plate
Stanford is incorrectly spelled, it should be STANFORD not STANDFORD. Guillermo - Original Message - From: John Fisher photobu...@hotmail.com Would you check the URL? I have tried to open the site.But haven't had any luck. thank you From: Paul Prober pro...@silcom.com Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Chris Patton at Pinhole and beyond has a zone plate area. The site address is www.standford.edu/~cpatton/zp.html There is many zone plate lens, plus formulas for focusing the lens to subject. Paul Prober
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole nude question (was another question)
Hi Catherine, I've done a fair amount of nude work with pinholes, zone plates, and lenses. In fact, I began using zone plates to deal with the biggest problem I was having in this area--the long exposures were really hard on the model (it didn't help much). This may be a problem especially if your interested in a dreamy look that may require low light situations. For what it's worth, the zone plate exposures weren't that much faster than the pinhole exposures. They were still so long that only the most intrepid models are capable of holding them--blurred effects that result can be interesting, of course. One method that did help was to find an interestig pose that had possibilities from a number of angles and then to use multiple cameras to get two or three pinhole shots out of a single long pose, but the wide angle of most pinhole and zone plate cameras means you often have to set up very carefully to avoid getting one of the other cameras in the picture! You might find (dare I suggest it) that traditional photographer tricks like gauze or vaseline on a filter using a lens may achieve the effect you are looking for with far less hassle than pinhole or zone plate. I am assuming here that the result is more important to you than the process (which may not be true). Anyway, the biggest frustration has been model fatigue. That can be compounded by the fact that you may be paying for a model's time and it's expensive to pay $20 an hour or so and only shoot two negatives! Very fast films may help too, if you don't mind the grain. There are at least three pinhole nudes on my websites. If you are interested, go to: http://www.sonic.net/~talcroft/camerawork/ That will take you to my lens site, but it has links to my pinhole site and to my nude photography site at the bottom. Hopes this helps. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] [pinhole-discussion]another question
For the project I am starting - I am taking nudes with a pinhole camera, and also with a 4x5 camera. I want to create images that are dream like. That are really beautiful - slightly out of focus - possibly a bit distorted. I've been trying to figure out what would be the best way to do it. I want to have consistency with the images - so I would like to stay with the same technique or cameras. I am considering a zone plate, but haven't used one before. Does anyone know of any websites I can check to find nudes of this manner. I've seen some - but maybe you have more ideas for me? I want to be certain that when I start the project I am really making the best use of my cameras and techniques to get this type of image. In the end I am thinking of having them toned - or make them salt prints and then tone them I love selenium toned prints. Thanks for the help! Catherine = Catherine Just Photography Weddings~Portraits~Fine Art http://www.catherinejust.com 619.294.3195 Don't just state your intent, Live it. ~Jerry Seiner Jr. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] Type 55 question
Hi everyone, I am getting ready to start a project that I would prefer using type 55 for. One thing I love about type 55 is that when you pull the negative away from the the rest of the polaroid, you sometimes get that strip of material across the top with the holes in it. I would like to keep that on there when I print my work, but sometimes It comes off when I pull the polaroid from the negative, and sometimes it comes off in the wash. Do you have any ideas how to make sure I can keep that attached to the negative, and how I can keep it from seperating when I wash the negative? thanks Catherine = Catherine Just Photography Weddings~Portraits~Fine Art http://www.catherinejust.com 619.294.3195 Don't just state your intent, Live it. ~Jerry Seiner Jr. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Back for Pinhole?
Steve, The older model, #500, is the one some people can't quite get to work right. These go for about $5 plus shipping on a good day. I used one exclusively with Type 55 P/N (black and white), and with the type 79 (color). Mine was pretty busted and old but it worked perfectly. I think the new model is the 545 and the 545i - on these make sure you buy one with a metal lever - the plastic ones seem to snap off by their own will power. Don --- Steve Bell veracity...@earthlink.net wrote: Hey everyone, I've another question. I'm really interested in making a pinhole camera with a 4x5 polaroid back. does anyone have any information or tips for me? my main question would be, does it matter how old the 4x5 back is? i've looked on ebay and found some, but they all say 'this is a very old, but working product'. will it still take film? secondly, i'm assuming the best material to make it out of would be wood? also, again any tips would be very welcome. thanks, --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
[pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Back for Pinhole?
Hey everyone, I've another question. I'm really interested in making a pinhole camera with a 4x5 polaroid back. does anyone have any information or tips for me? my main question would be, does it matter how old the 4x5 back is? i've looked on ebay and found some, but they all say 'this is a very old, but working product'. will it still take film? secondly, i'm assuming the best material to make it out of would be wood? also, again any tips would be very welcome. thanks, --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Color 120 format films
Thanks for the advice. in regards to having a lot of the NPH, i use that with my regular holga anyway, so i haven't really commited it, so to speak, to the pinhole holga. i am certainly not attempting to emulate ansel adams. i will be doing my own printing, as i'm presently taking a color photo class. i was recommended to use NPL, so maybe i'll try that. i plan on doing some night color pinhole work, as i feel like this project i'm working on will call for such. in regards to my friends work, he printed them himself. they are something like 16x20 prints, so the color shift at the edges is very apparent. i don't plan on printing so large, possibly only up to 11x14, so maybe it won't be so apparent. i'll post my results when i work everything out. thanks, Steve [Original Message] From: Michael Healy mjhe...@kcnet.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 10/27/2002 1:34:23 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Color 120 format films Steve, if you've got that much NPH, why not just shoot some. See what happens. You've committed yourself to a camera that runs as far from high-end, high quality images as you can get. So push that. Just shoot the stuff. I have not shot NPH, and I haven't shot any color at all in pinhole. All my pinhole work has been in bw. But I have done color night work. My films were NPL, NPS, Reala, all exposed for 10-15 minutes or even more. Results can be gorgeous, even with 10 and 15 minute exposures. I've even used, very long exposures. Those results were weird, and also pretty cool. With night work, you do a lot of bracketing anyhow, so one is going to turn out. Always works that way. It doesn't necessarily look like what you plan, but again, if you're trying to emulate Ansel Adams, pinhole is not exactly your best choice of medium. I would just try it, bracket, then try it again. And either scan yourself or do your own printing. I wouldn't judge the results by the lab's prints. Your friend's problem is hard to address. Are the images from negs? What film, and what conditions? Who printed them, a one-hour shop? One thing about printing your own color is that you can correct (or manipulate) the color locally, using small color-correcting filters like burning/dodging tools. Labs can do that too, but it will cost you, and it's hard to convey explicit instructions from the front desk. Sounds like your friend got a straight print. That sort of thing can be altered in all kinds of ways in the printing process. Mike Healy - Original Message - From: Steve Bell To: Pinhole List Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Color 120 format films Hey Everyone, so after almost a year on this list, i finally made a pinhole camera. it was absolutely necessary for this project i am doing (authentic space), and so i justified taking up schoolwork time to make it (the project is for school, so it works out ok). so i have a question. what color films does everyone use? i'm presently using fuji NPH, as i've got a bunch of it and i've been using it in my holga. oh, i should mention the pinhole camera i made is a pinholga. so i went to fuji's website to check out the reciprocity chart, and they say 'exposure of longer than 16 seconds is not recommended'. so there was no chart, and i'm kind of flying blind, which is kind of fun, but it makes me think there might be a better film for me to be using. so what films do you all use, color-wise, for pinhole photographs? oh yeah, one more question, a friend of mine was showing me his color pinhole shots, and there was a slight magenta shift on the edges of the image, is there any way to correct this? thanks, --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Color 120 format films (correction)
Correction: I meant that I've even used Velvia, very long exposures... - Original Message - From: Michael Healy To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Color 120 format films I've even used, very long exposures. Those results were weird, and also pretty cool. With night work, you do a lot of bracketing anyhow, so one is going to turn out
[pinhole-discussion] Color 120 format films
Hey Everyone, so after almost a year on this list, i finally made a pinhole camera. it was absolutely necessary for this project i am doing (authentic space), and so i justified taking up schoolwork time to make it (the project is for school, so it works out ok). so i have a question. what color films does everyone use? i'm presently using fuji NPH, as i've got a bunch of it and i've been using it in my holga. oh, i should mention the pinhole camera i made is a pinholga. so i went to fuji's website to check out the reciprocity chart, and they say 'exposure of longer than 16 seconds is not recommended'. so there was no chart, and i'm kind of flying blind, which is kind of fun, but it makes me think there might be a better film for me to be using. so what films do you all use, color-wise, for pinhole photographs? oh yeah, one more question, a friend of mine was showing me his color pinhole shots, and there was a slight magenta shift on the edges of the image, is there any way to correct this? thanks, --- Steve Bell --- veracity...@earthlink.net --- http://www.unbeknownst.org/~insurrective / http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/insurrection --- In fact, rock, rather than being an example of how freedom can be achieved within the capitalist structure, is an example of how capitalism can, almost without a conscious effort, deceive those whom it oppresses...So effective has the rock industry been in encouraging the spirit of optimistic youth take-over that rock's truly hard political edge, it's constant exploration of the varieties of youthful frustration, has been ignored and softened. --Michael Lydon
