Re: [pinhole-discussion] Diana vs pinhole
In general, I've noticed a drop in the overall price range for Diana's over the last year and half from prices in the $80-90 range to prices in the $30-40 range. However, some that are claimed to be "mint in the box", especially Diana-F models with the flash attachment, are still running in the $100+ range. I doubt that anyone but collectors are buying those ones, however. But, do remember that Dianas aren't made any more and many hard-core Diana shooters do not think that the Holga creates the same degree of 'atmosphere' as a Diana. As well, they are plastic, poorly made things so the number of them out there is decreasing all the time. Law of supply and demand Benno Jones gina wrote: > > A friend was generous enough to give me his Diana, saying that every picture > he took with it he had wishd he had taken with a "real" camera- ;o) . The > images resemble some pinhole stuff from my beloved zero 2000 and I to have > had success with the Diana work getting into juried shows. Note that the > prices for these and other "collectibles" on ebay are usually higher during > the holiday seasons cause some lucky photographer's pal wants to give that > special gift. If you want one, > wait for garage sale season! > > -Gina > > http://home.ix.netcom.com/~ginabell/index.html > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] oh Diana, If I could only love you the way others do!
Well, I paid $35 for my Diana, just to see what the fuss was about... And the only two pictures I've so far had in a show were taken with it. Go figure.... Benno Jones Andy Schmitt wrote: > > ow my goodness.. > no i'm sorry...i'll never understand that one.. > have a great evening > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of G.Penate > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:25 PM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] oh Diana, If I could only love you the way > others do! > > Andy, > What about understanding this one: > > http://cgi.ca.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1304204524 > > Those things are pure plastic GOLD! > > Guillermo > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid Safety
Natalie - If their MSDS says it can cause caustic burns, they are not lying! To my understanding, however, by the time the development process is complete the toxicity of the chemicals is greatly reduced. While I've felt a tingle now and then when I accidently get some on me, I've never been burned. If you're doing Polaroid transfers and are peeling after just a few seconds, it is adviseable to cut off the chemical pod directly into the garbage before peeling. As with all things chemical in photography there is danger if you don't handle them properly. Always read the fine print on everything and get more info off the maker's website when you can. And tell your friend that in general Polaroid is safe and fun, but not 100%. Have fun... Benno Jones Natalie Nadozirny wrote: > > I've ben reading this list for a while, and enjoy it very much. Maybe > someone can answer my most recent film question. Is peeling apart an > exposed and developed Polaroid 600 film safe? My friend, who is a high > school art teacher, has done and will do projects with her classes in which > they cut and peel apart the film from the base. I have a degree in > photography, and all my profs always taught us that Polaroid emulsion is not > the safest chemistry to be touching bare handed. I always use caution and > gloves when handling and peeling apart Polaroid films, or transferring > emulsions. My friend insists Polaroid emulsion is safe and fun. I have > written Polaroid and not received a response yet. I have read their MSDS's > which say the chemistry can cause skin burns. My friend still doesn't > believe me. Any suggestions/advice? > > Natalie, 26, Baltimore, MD, part-time wedding photographer, pinhead > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole + Polaroid Back
My Leonardo 4x5 accepts a Polaroid 545 back with no problem. The bonus is that the 545 also works with Fuji QuickLoads so I can carry both instead of loading my 4x5 holders when I feel lazy. A Grafmatic back also works with the Leonardo. Benno Jones Christian Harkness wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a 4x5-pinhole camera that accepts 4x5 film holders. What kind of > Polaroid back can I use with it? I assume the regular 4x5 Polaroid back will > work fine. However, what is the 405 Film Pack Back/Holder, and will it work? > > Many thanks - for some reason Polaroid - for me - takes the cake when it > comes to being incomprehensible. > > chris > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids
Internet Directory of Camera Collectors. b2myo...@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/23/01 12:06:33 AM, ben...@qwest.net writes: > > << (IDCC list lurker) >> > > What is IDCC? > leezy > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids
Hey Marcy, how about a pinhole poem competition?? Glad to see you on another list Benno Jones (IDCC list lurker) Marcy Merrill wrote: > > Hello to everyone! I joined this list a few weeks ago and have been enjoying > it immensely. > I especially like the recently posted "Merlin Photo" by Jim Kosinski. > Lately, I've been making Altoid containers into pinhole cameras. You can > view my progress (and I actually am experiencing progress!) at > http://www.merrillphoto.com/Pintoids.htm > > I'm going to print some more Pintoid images today and will slap them up on > the page as well. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! -Marcy > > Marcy Merrill > Photographer > www.merrillphoto.com > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
[pinhole-discussion] Panoramic Pinhole Plans
I recently came into possession of a 5x7 dark slide that has been cut in half to give to approx. 6x17 exposures on a 5x7 piece of film. I have a fairly decent 5x7 camera (Kodak 33a) and would like to use the setup to make some pinhole panoramas. However, once I fashion a pinhole lensboard, I'm worried that falloff towards the edges will result in a sort of 'half-dome' effect on the photos that won't look so hot (especially on the bottom half of the film. So my plan is to make the pinhole off-center on the lensboard and flip it for each exposure. As I am very inexperienced at making my own pinhole cameras (even as limited as this - I use a Zero2000, a Leonardo and a Nikon pinhole body cap), I feel a need for outside input. This leads me to ask the group for any comments. Are my falloff fears fraudulent? Anything else I should take into consideration? Thanks, Benno Jones -- See my homepage at http://www.bjonesphoto.com It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Tri X in Rodinal
I happen to have the tech sheet that comes in the Rodinal package right in front of me and for Tri-X it recommends 7 minutes for 1+25 and 12 minutes for 1+50. I believe these times are for small tank roll film development, however. Have you looked on the Agfa website? I know more in-depth data sheets are available for download there: http://www.agfaphoto.com/ Good luck! Benno Jones HypoBob wrote: > > I posted this question on the darkroom news group to no avail, but since it > involves pinhole > photography I probably should have tried this august group first. > > I am making a pinhole camera to use 4x5 sheet film and thought that Tri X in > Rodinal may be > interesting. However I can't find any data on this combination. Any > suggestions?? > > Bob > #94 > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Well, I'm kinda a hardware geek, but I have no illusions as to a camera making me a better photographer in terms of technique, I just love cameras! :-) I think they're often beautiful pieces of machinery and fun to fool around with. When I got my Exakta VX-IIa, I just sat and looked at it for an hour or so. What a beautiful camera it is! Much more aesthetically pleasing than my Nikon N70, which for all it's features is just a black piece of plastic. I love the look of my two Zero2000s much more than my Leonardo 4x5 just because Zernike makes them look nice with varnish and brass. Both take great shots, but the Zero2000 is out where I can see it. However, I do believe that depending on your needs a certain piece of camera equipment can "make you a better photographer" in that if you really need an incredibly sharp photo, or you really need a macro lens, or you really need a telephoto lens to make the shot you want, then you probably really need that piece of equipment. Of course, the equipment is just facilitating the ideas in this case, they didn't create them. But without them, you can't be the photographer you want to be. Hope that makes some kind of sense. Benno Jones Tina Martin wrote: > > Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think > that if only they had the "right" or a "really good" camera they could be > great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves > and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks > the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are > afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. > Tina > > > >They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my > >zone plate matted (and hand colored) images.< > > > >Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the > >machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse > >to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk > >about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you > >have done, not what you own. Kurt > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole day
I've been following this thread with interest and am willing to help with money for the name registration as well. I'm glad it seems that April 29th seems to have been settled on as for some reason spring is when my pinhole juices flow. Once summer settles in I seem to gravitate back to lenses. Benno Jones Tina Martin wrote: > > Too bad the earth can't be animated to rotate to show the whole globe while > the pinhole stays fixed! I would contribute my $1.00 if needed. Whowever > collects should set up a Paypal account as Paypal is now international and > it is such an easy way to send small amounts. > BTW, I've been here every day Guillermo, just not saying anything! > Tina Martin > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] low light questions
I'd recommend getting something on the order of the Black Cat Exposure Guide. I've found it very helpful on determining my base exposures (pre-reciprocity calculation if necessary) http://www.pinholeresource.com/products.html#blackcat Benno Jones >Hi, >I am a newcomer here and eager to learn. I am going to Paris and want to >bring my 2000 zone and pinhole ( 120) camera but I am at a loss as to >exposure times( I know this isn't exact but perhaps suggestions of ranges) >in what certainly will be flat and grey Paris winter light. I had good >success in high Florida light with 2 seconds but I don't want to be a fair >weather friend to pinhole. If anyone has a moment to share their experience >with this camera and low flat light I would be most appreciative. I recall >reading somewhere that one could increase contrast with certain types of >films but I don't recall where I read about that. I am interested in both >black and white and color film. Thanks much >Donna. I will certainly report back when I return and see what I get . > >___ >Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >unsubscribe or change your account at >http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Request for comments
I'd stay away from the Brownie if you're planning on shooting on film. As far as I know, the only current maker of 127 film is Efke in Eastern Europe. As a collector of old folding cameras, I'd say the Viking. The Ventura 66 Deluxe should have a Solinar lens that is a very good performer (assuming the camera is in working condition). The Viking most likely has an Agnar that is only so-so and not much of a loss to hack off. On either camera, make sure the bellows are light tight before making any images. The weak points of any Agfa or Ansco camera from the 1950s are the bellows having pinholes (not the good kind) and the grease in the focus having frozen solid (although this is easily fixable). The other consideration would be whether you have the ability to print from a 6x9 negative, which is what I believe the Viking would give you. The Ventura will give a 6x6 negative that may be easier for you to print. Good Luck! Benno Jones Temi wrote: > With which of the following cameras would I be more likely to have > success in converting it to a pinhole camera. > > 120 format - Ventura 66 Deluxe (made in Germany) > > 127 format - Brownie Reflex - Synchro Model (made by Eastman Kodak Co., > N.Y.) > > 120 format - Ansco Viking (made by Agfa Camera Werk, Munchen, U.S.Zone, > Germany) > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > Temi > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Zone Plate Image Generator
Worked for me I just don't know all the proper numbers to put in for a real zone plate. But with guess work I got an image of a zone plate when I opened the file in Photoshop. Benno Jones John Yeo wrote: Larry, Thanks for making this. I'm sure you have already put a lot of work into it... but i get nothing but a blank bitmap. No rings at all. John - Original Message - From: Larry Fratkin To: pinhole list Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Zone Plate Image Generator Folks, I have created a zone plate image generator so that I could make my own zone plates. The program downloads a .BMP so it's PC centric, I think. The idea was to use the program to generate a zone plate image and then take it to the bureau to have it put to film. They charge about $15.00 for this. I haven't tried it out yet so I don't know how well it works. I'll be visiting them on Friday and I'll drop it off then. The calculator/generator is at http://www.MrPinhole.com/zp.html la...@mrpinhole.com -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Pinhole Images
I heard the first rumors about 6 weeks ago online, and have heard them in increasing volume ever since, with a number of people saying they had talked to Agfa reps or had emails from Agfa confirming the rumors. It has reached a point where I can't believe all the confirmation posts are faked. Benno Jones >Is that really true that agfa is discontinuing Agfapan APX 25 film??? >Horror (LoL) >I just wonder where you heard this information? > >geez how upsetting > >I use that almost exclusively. I know that there are other >slow films that are 25 ASA (I read about them in Henry Hornsteins >book "B&W photo" A basic manual second edition revised.) - > >Wendy Garfinkel > >___ >Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >unsubscribe or change your account at >http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Pinhole Images
Nice shots, Claudia... as usual I hope you're stocking up on Agfapan APX 25. If you haven't already heard, it's been discontinued by Agfa due to lack of sales volume. I've got some in the freezer already. Benno Jones >I have three new pinhole photos made with AgfaPan 25, developed in Rodinal, and >printed on albumen POP > >Hope you'll give them a look...thanks..here is the link > >http://sfbaysailingpix.com/newpinhole.htm > > > >___ >Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >unsubscribe or change your account at >http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Weird Flare Effects
My Zero2000 exhibits the same flare and I've come to love it! I like the effect it gives your pictures as well. To eliminate, follow the same rules you would use with a lensed camera - Don't shoot into the sun! Enjoy your flare! Benno Jones Jeff Spirer wrote: > I've only used one pinhole camera, and not for that long, so maybe I'm > encountering something that I should understand, but I don't. I'm using > the Zero2000, it seems that plenty of people on the list are familiar with > it. I get this very strange flare effect in bright sunlight when I use it, > and I'd be interested in figuring out what is causing it. I have three > photos here, two color, that demonstrate the effect. > > http://www.spirer.com/images/sunflower.jpg > http://www.spirer.com/images/desparation.jpg > http://www.spirer.com/images/home.jpg > > Jeff Spirer > Photos: http://www.spirer.com > One People: http://www.onepeople.com/ > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: Pinhole diameter help
Others who are more mathematical than I can give you better help, no doubt. But check this website to see if it can help... http://home.netcom.com/~lfratkin/calcindx.html Good Luck! Benno Jones See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan >Ok, >I have been doing a bit of reading but I am a bit >confused. Being that this is my first pinhole camera >I am a newbie. I figured out my pinhole diameter to >be 0.22 for a 1.5in focal length and an F-stop of 167. > Is this right? I just don't want to screw it up and >was hoping someone on the list could maybe check my >math so to speak. I just have a funny feeling that >this is not correct. > >Thanks, > >Tom > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >___ >Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >unsubscribe or change your account at >http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Compensating Reciprocity Failure
In Steve Simmons' "Using the View Camera" he gives the following reciprocity info for Ilford films (with the caveat that while these figures work for him, you may wish to experiment to get the best results for yourself).: (All times in seconds) Metered Time 2 4 8 12 16 24 32 45 60 90 120 Exposure Time 3 7 19 33 50 93 145 250 378 853 1670 Development Adj. - - -5% -8% -10% -12% -14% -16% -18% -20% -24% That's about 27 min 50 sec actual exposure for a 2 minute metered exposure, quite a bit of underexposure if you only went for 5 minutes. I haven't tried these myself, but am now working on a pinhole for my 5x7 camera and will be trying it out with both HP5+ and FP4+ in the near future. Benno Jones "Erich C. Decker" wrote: Hi, Does anyone use ILFORD HP5 Plus sheet film for pinhole photography? If yes, I need advice. The manufacturer has supplied my with a reciprocity failure chart that end with 35 seconds metered time, transforming into 200 seconds actual exposure time. On my last shooting meter reading was 2 minutes. A wild guess was to compensate for 5 minutes, but both negatives came out quite underexposed. The reason I use HP5 is that in Europe it is: A) cheaper than Kodak B) An excellent film for (almost) any photographic purposes C) Can be generously pushed and pulled D) I juts like it Do any of you HP5 users (assuming there are a few worldwide) have any personal experiences to share? I need corrected exposures times, let's say from 1 to 5 minutes. Erich ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
Re: [pinhole-discussion] list update
I agree. I've pointed this community out several times as one where flame wars hardly ever happen. I think that being interested in pinhole photography shows a mindset already open to alternatives and different ways of thinking and seeing the world. I think that most flame posts come about due to mindsets too narrow to accept differing views. I'm glad I'm here. Benno Jones "G.Penate" wrote: > > I like to think that this list has less flaming because photographers have > > more of a tendency to think first before replying... > > Pinhole photographers you mean, don't you? 'cause I've been subscriber of > some other photo lists in the past and they can and do get nasty sometimes > > I don't know what it is that makes this list so "collaborative, > understanding and tolerant", but I'd be more interested in keeping it like > this than in finding the reason. > > Guillermo > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
