Re: [pinhole-discussion] Digital pinhole images

2003-04-15 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Thanks, Ed. I think you are right.

Dieter

On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:27:55 -0400 Ed Nazarko 
wrote:

>Looks like dust or dirt on the sensor.  Most are in the same place in
>every image, and some images have more than others (the dust
>accumulated...)




[pinhole-discussion] Digital pinhole images

2003-04-13 Thread Dieter Bublitz
A friend tried a pinhole bodycap with his Canon D60. The images can be
found at:

http://www.die-ritters.de/pinholeexperimente

While the results are better than expected, we noticed some funny dots
on the pictures. An example can be seen at

http://www.die-ritters.de/pinholeexperimente/punkte.jpg

Does someone have an idea, what these dots are? Internal reflections
on the chip?

Regards
Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Focus

2002-12-18 Thread Dieter Bublitz
"Ian McKee"  wrote:

>Calumet sells a set of twelve pinholes ranging from .0059" to .032". I have
>mounted these on a 4" x 5" camera and shot the whole series at an
>arbitrarily selected bellows extension=focal length of 210 mm. With each
>pinhole I get the same image and the same degree of sharpness. The only
>variable is exposure time.As you might expect, the smaller the pinhole the
>longer the exposure to achieve equal density.

>[...]

>Try it and see for yourself! 

This has been done before - with opposite results. You can find an
example of this in Eric Renner's book "Pinhole Photography -
Rediscovering a historic technique" (Second edition) on page 129.
There are 8 images of the same object taken with a Super Speed Graphic
with a focal length of 2 1/4 inches and 8 different pinholes (f/22,
f/32, f/45, f/64, f/90, f/128, f/190 and f/288). There are noticeable
differences in sharpness from one image to the next.
This is what physics is  telling us and what innumerable pinhole
photographers have experienced taking their images.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Focus

2002-12-18 Thread Dieter Bublitz
"Ian McKee"  wrote:

>Calumet sells a set of twelve pinholes ranging from .0059" to .032". I have
>mounted these on a 4" x 5" camera and shot the whole series at an
>arbitrarily selected bellows extension=focal length of 210 mm. With each
>pinhole I get the same image and the same degree of sharpness. The only
>variable is exposure time.As you might expect, the smaller the pinhole the
>longer the exposure to achieve equal density.

>[...]

>Try it and see for yourself! 

This has been done before - with opposite results. You can find an
example of this in Eric Renner's book "Pinhole Photography -
Rediscovering a historic technique" (Second edition) on page 129.
There are 8 images of the same object taken with a Super Speed Graphic
with a focal length of 2 1/4 inches and 8 different pinholes (f/22,
f/32, f/45, f/64, f/90, f/128, f/190 and f/288). There are noticeable
differences in sharpness from one image to the next.
This is what physics is  telling us and what innumerable pinhole
photographers have experienced taking their images.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] 1: Is This Nuts? 2: A Plug

2002-10-15 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Hi Tom,

"Tom Miller"  wrote:

>the tin, I saw the same green light.  Has anyone else seen this?  Am I
>nuts (not a bad option, really)?  Do you think that this small amount

No, you're not :-)

>of light could fog film if it were within 1/4 inch of the film?  I
>noticed slight fogging on a couple of sheets of film where the last
>bit of black tape pulls off the tin.

I had the same experience quite a few times when tearing off 120 film
from the paper before developing. Yet I could not see any effect on
the film.

>2: Having tried and been frustrated by all of Kodak's Portra films, I
>decided to try Fuji Reala (based on a recommendation from Dieter
>Bublitz).  I like the Reala 100.  For color pinhole photography, it
>sure has vivid, yet natural, color compared to Portra.  The local

Glad you like the film. I did not find one with better colors for
pinhole photography.

Dieter


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[pinhole-discussion] New images and new camera

2002-06-03 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Hi everybody,

I made a new camera. It's of the oatmeal box type but made of a coffee
tin can. A description of how I did it can be found in the "Projekte"
area of my site (URL at the end of this mail). Click on "Röhrenkamera
(Selbstbau)". Sorry, but the site is in German only.
Three images made with this camera can be found in my "Galerie". The
first one comes right up. Use the left and right buttons for the next
two pictures.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] (no subject)

2002-04-11 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:44:42 +0200,
thomas.kellner.photogra...@t-online.de (Thomas Kellner) wrote:

>Hey everybody,
>my webpage is online for a while with an extra section pinhole. (PCusers )

The URL would be a valuable help for a visit ;-)

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Nearly Off Topic

2002-02-02 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:13:09 -0600, "Tom Miller" 
wrote:

>Strictly out of curiousity: how many list members are current or
>former home-brewers or home-vintners and do you see parallels between
>this activity and your interest in pinhole photography?

Tom,
I used to make my own wine (from apples, red currants, strawberries
and blackberries) for quite some years.
4 years ago a 5 gallon glass bottle of fermenting blackberry wine
exploded in my kitchen. After renovating the room my wife strictly
prohibited any further actions regarding wine-making.
I then started pinhole photography.

Yes, there are parallels between making wine and pinholing. The main
difference is: pinhole cameras do not explode and so wives can't
prohibit them 

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Overnight photo labs in the US?

2002-01-22 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Dan,

thank you. Bozeman is indeed one of the cities where I plan to stay
for a day or two. I will look for the labs.

Dieter


On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:17:02 -0600, "Dan Gerber" 
wrote:

>Dieter,
>
>If you are going to be in or near Bozeman, Montana, there are a few labs
>that can do large and medium format processing of film only overnight. I
>cannot remember any of the names now, but when I lived there for a year of
>school, I used them a few times(when I didn't process myself!). You could
>also contact someone at Montana State University's photo department for
>suggestions, they have a surprisingly excellent photo and film program!
>
>HTH,
>
>Dan
>


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Overnight photo labs in the US?

2002-01-19 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Thanks to all who replied to my mail. This whole thing will obviously
not work the way I thought.
Okay, I decided what to do no.  I will take one of my Zeros, leave the
4x5" at home and take some extra shots if not sure of the exposure
time.

Regards
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[pinhole-discussion] Overnight photo labs in the US?

2002-01-18 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Hi folks, 
this may be somewhat off topic but I hope not too far :-).
I will be on a trip through Colorado, Wyoming, Montana and South
Dakota in May and June.
While I will take photos mainly with my SLR-equipment, I plan to take
one pinhole camera on this trip. Did not decide yet, wether it will be
a 4x5" or one of my medium format Zero's.
The problem is, that I would like to see the pinhole images as soon as
possible to decide if I should do them again (due to the uncertainties
of the exposure of a pinhole image) before I head on to the next
place.
How is it in the mentioned area? Does one usually find one hour or
overnight photolabs in the (bigger) cities, that can do medium format
(maybe even large format) slide film or is there no chance? Are
chances better for negative film?

Thank you!
Dieter
 

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[pinhole-discussion] New URL for my pages

2002-01-04 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Hi everyone,

just for your interest: my "Lochkamera-Seite" has moved to

http://www.die-lochkamera.de

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] New very slow film

2001-10-29 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:17:33 EST, tricks...@aol.com wrote:

>Is Agfa discontinuing all it's films including  Agfapan 100 and 400?
>

They discontinued just the Agfapan 25. The 100 and 400 are still being
produced.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole catalogs

2001-10-29 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:51:29 +0100, Peter Wiklund
 wrote:

>So I'd like to know if there are any of you who have produced catalogs or
>books, that aren't spread through the normal channels (I have every pinhole
>book that can be bought from Pinhole Resource, Amazon and Photo-Eye).
>If so - let me know, I probably need it in my collection...
>

Peter,

I'm not the author, but if the language doesn't matter, this might be
of interest. It's a new book (released in August 2001), I myself
bought just a few weeks ago. Still haven't finished it (heavy
mathematics in some chapters).

Dieter


Schmidt-Ploch, Ulrich C.
Die Lochkamera
Abbildungsoptimierung
Physikalische Hintergründe

155 Seiten, 52 Abbildungen, 11 Tabellen, 21 x 15 cm, Freiburg 2001,
broschiert, BoD GmbH, 24,-DM, ISBN 3-8311-1261-4

Der Autor ist Physiker und wendet sich an alle Freunde der
Lochkamerafotografie, die auch an physikalischem Hintergrundwissen
interessiert sind. Themen sind u.a. Augenauflösungsvermögen,
Bildschärfe, Geometrische- und Wellenoptik, Kameraoptimierung, Blenden
mit kreisförmigen und quadratischen Öffnungen, Tiefenschärfe und
Lichtstärke, Modulationsübertragungsfunktion, Hinweise zum Bau einer
Lochkamera.



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Re: [pinhole-discussion] "pinhole camera" in any lang

2001-09-26 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Hi Jim,

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:40:50 -0400, "Kosinski Family"
 wrote:

>How do you write "pinhole camera" and "natural camera" in Spanish?
>
>How about some other languages?
>

In German it's "Lochkamera".

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole spammer rdh7...@cs.com

2001-05-16 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Gregg Kemp  wrote:

>Mr. Ron Hughes has taken his campaign to form a new pinhole photography web 
>ring to a new high, by adding his spam to guest books at pinhole visions 
>exhibits.  I encourage everyone to boycott his web site and to NOT join his 

He, too, is searching the net for pinhole related websites and
inviting the site-owners by mail to his webring.
I know of two pinholers who received such a mail. And he is somewhat
successfull. There are now 11 sites in the ring ...

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Yahoo Webring List

2001-04-23 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Dieter Bublitz  wrote:

>
>This is not what I wrote. The URL is
>
>http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=pinhole&list
>
>Don't know where the "3D" in your quote comes from ...
>

Hm, this is funny 
In my first mail replying to Ron Hughes I wrote the above URL. In the
mail the list sent back to me it still was the above correct URL.
In Temi's quote the URL suddenly was

http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=3Dpinhole&list

and this is what is in the Pinhole List Archive.
What happened to my mail?

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Yahoo Webring List

2001-04-23 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:10:15 -0500, "Temi" 
wrote:

>
>See
>
>http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=3Dpinhole&list
>
>Another ring with the same name would be confusing.
>
>Dieter
>---
>
>Above URL stated "Ring Not Found"
>Temi
>

This is not what I wrote. The URL is

http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=pinhole&list

Don't know where the "3D" in your quote comes from ...

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Photography Web Ring

2001-04-22 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:37:15 EDT, rdh7...@cs.com wrote:

>I would like to invite anyone who has a website that contains information 
>about pinhole photography, pinhole images, pinhole cameras, etc. to join the 
>'Pinhole Photography' web ring.  For further details please visit:
>
>http://www.findon.com/pinhome.htm
>


You may not be aware of it, but  there already is THE Pinhole
Photography Webring with at the moment 31 sites.

See

http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=pinhole&list

Another ring with the same name would be confusing.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] PRESS RELEASE! Worlwide Pinhole Photography Day

2001-03-11 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 06:29:36 -0500, Guy Glorieux
 wrote:

>
>Before we can actually circulate the Press Release, there is still a lot
>to be done on the Web site - which will be our main reference point for
>information on the event.  The Press Release also needs to be translated
>in other languages.
>

I am working on the German version already. Are we going to have the
translations on the web site, too, or are they just for distribution?
If so, to whom shall I mail it?

>So I would ask that you wait until your Coordinating Team is ready
>before you start distributing the Press Release around.
Ok!

>In the meantime, however, it may be a good idea to start thinking about
>whom you think you could send it to and which promotion avenues you can
>see in your immediate environment (e.g. newspapers, photo clubs,
>galleries, etc..., not to forget all your friends and colleagues, even

Don't forget newsgroups!

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] viewfinder

2001-01-26 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:34:28 -0500, Gregg Kemp 
wrote:

>
>Dieter, please do add it if its not there.  The URL where you can add it is:
>

Ooops, I should have checked before writing. The site is already in
the directory. Sorry!

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] viewfinder

2001-01-26 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:25:49 -0500, Gregg Kemp
 wrote:

>his site - Fotografía Estenopeica is in the directory.  But I would like to 
>encourage anyone who has a site (or finds a site) that is not listed in the 
>directory to please add it.  Robert Oehl edits the directory, but we both 
>depend on others to submit new URL's to keep it up to date.  There are 
>currently around 170 listings in the directory.
>

Let me add one:

http://www.andrebaumunk.de/d/index2.htm

The site is in German only. The English version is still under
construction.
The interesting thing is Andre's "Trinkhalmkamera" made of about 8000
straws. He too has made some interesting 360°-cameras.

Dieter  



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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Wood 4 x 5 pinhole camera

2001-01-13 Thread Dieter Bublitz
--- Temi  wrote:
> I plan to build a pinhole camera out of wood that would use a 4 x 5
>film
> holder. Does anyone know of any images on the web of this type of
> pinhole camera. The URLs would be a great help. Thank you. --Temi
>

I made a wooden ultra wide angle camera that takes 4x5" sheet film
holders. A picture can be found at:

http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/kamera.htm

If you have any questions regarding this camera, please feel free to
mail me.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6x6 Zero Pinhole camera

2000-12-30 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:52:41 EST, joebe...@aol.com wrote:

>Can anyone tell me something about the camera made in Hong Kong, 6x6 Zero 
>Pinhole Camera. I am relatively new to pinhole photography and I am 
>considering the purchase of this camera.
>

Joe,

I second what Gregg and George already said. I own both cameras and
they are worth the money.
If you are going to buy one: take the cable release shutter, too. It
makes the handling much more easier. I got one on my 6x9 and I'm going
to add one to my Zero2000.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Pinhole Camera????

2000-12-17 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:34:06 -0600, Max Isbill 
wrote:

>I came across a pinhole camera on eBay that I had not seen before.  Just
>was wondering if anyone had one.  It seems to be from Perth Australia.
>They claim to have a "quick change optic" .  Anyway the eBay item # is Item
>#1201766707 if you want to take a look at it and maybe this link will get
>you there:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201766707
>

This is a Westmark camera. See

http://www.geocities.com/westmarkwa/pinhole.htm

You can buy a new one for the ebay price.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] new images on the web

2000-11-11 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:54:06 -0500, James Kellar 
wrote:

>
>Zenrike has made a new 6x9 multi-format camera. I havn't seen it in the
>flesh yet but it looks good. It shoots 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9. Check it out
>at, http://www.zeroimage.com/camera1.html.
>

I ordered one a few days ago. As soon as I'll get it I will tell about
my impressions and show some images.

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Zone Plate/Pinhole camera.

2000-10-22 Thread Dieter Bublitz
Mark,

try http://www.zeroimage.com

Maybe this is what you are looking for.

Dieter


On Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:59:27 -0400 (EDT), Mark D Roberts
 wrote:

>Sometime ago someone posted a message with the address of a Zone 
>Plate/Pinhole camera maker.
>I'm trying to find the site, I found it, but lost it when my computer 
>crashed.
>It was not a Finney, but it was wood & sold for about $389.00.
>Can anyone help me
>Thanking you in advance, 
>
>Mark
>


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole movie camera

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:31:58 +0200, Dieter Bublitz
 wrote:

>
>The pictures can be found at
>http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/pincam/index.htm
>

A short time after writing this my provider's server broke down, so
maybe anyone trying to access my site had problems. It should work
now.
Just so I didn't get mails from the list for about 36 hours. If there
were any replies to my mail, I couldn't read and answer them. Sorry !

Dieter


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[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole movie camera

2000-10-09 Thread Dieter Bublitz
The recent discussion on pinhole video cameras reminded me of a guy i
was in contact with for a short time about two years ago. His name was
Christian Hossner and he had designed what he had called his "banana
shaped pinhole movie camera".
He sent me two pictures of the camera and a video tape containing
about 20 min of pinhole movies made with this camera.

The pictures can be found at
http://www.bingo-ev.de/~db106/pincam/index.htm

As far as I recall the camera worked like this:

The bent camera body contained a sequence of pinholes as can be seen
on the first image. Behind the pinholes there was black tape with a
single slit. This tape was attached to the reels on top and bottom of
the camera and could be spooled up and down moving the slit from one
pinhole to the next. Behind the tape there was a piece of 35 mm film.
By spooling the tape with constant speed and simultaneously tilting
the camera, so that always the pinhole which was passed by the slit
was aiming at the object, he got a short movie. Repeating this many
times and attaching the film pieces to another he made pinhole movies
up to 10 min long.

I regret that I have neither the necessary equipment nor the right to
put the movies on my website, but I thought that the readers of this
list might be interested in this - as I think - unique design.
Does someone know of other non-video pinhole movie cameras ?

Dieter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] posting of images to the list?

2000-08-25 Thread Dieter Bublitz
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:09:35 -0400, Gregg Kemp
 wrote:

>
>I'm posting an image to the list to test out a couple of things. 
>First, to be sure the list will handle it.  And second, to find out
>how it might affect various user's mail.
>

This is, what I got. I can read it, but the HTML-Stuff looks somewhat
ugly.

>If this image goes through ok, I ask everyone to NOT start posting
>images.  Instead, let's discuss the pros and cons of doing this
>through the list.  For example, we can limit the size of postings to
>prevent anyone from sending any really large files.  Or we could
>come up with some guidelines to be followed.  
>

Although I'm mainly a lurker on this list I would prefer a discussion
list with no images posted. I think that most people on this list have
a website to display images


>We'll need feedback from those of you who are not able to view this image
>(assuming most can).  Also, if there is an outcry due to the

I have to launch an external program to view these images.

Dieter


>download time, we just want allow posting of images.  Please
>remember that this is only a test and proposal for discussion!
>
>So, there should be an image below...
>
>
>4.2.0.58.2825080914.009ff4c0@pop.mindspring.com.1" width=300 
>height=292 alt="pier.jpg">
>copyright 2000, Gregg Kemp
>
>


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