[pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth
Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? I need something that will work reasonable well with a 4X5 view camera, but am not interested in spending too much, obviously. I have a finney that I am experimenting with using for lens as well as pinhole work.. Any tips appreciated, Jeff
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--- dalf...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/4/02 11:44:12 AM Central Standard Time, > glsm...@yahoo.com writes: > > << I use an inexpensive loop that normally fits in the eye. By placing it against > the screen, I can get a very nice view of the focus of the image. Since I use > a Pacemaker Crown Graphic, it has flaps on the top and sides that block things > out fairly well, so I don't need a cloth. I would think that pretty much any > cloth would do a reasonable job at letting you see the image. You don't need > anything light-tight, just something that will allow you to compose and focus. > > That said, I am talking about using my 4X5 as a lens camera. I have tried, in > the past, to do focusing with pinhole and have never had success. I finally > marked the bed with where the lens board should be when using specific pinholes > - that seemed to work so much easier than trying to actually focus the > pinhole. > > Cheers - > > george >> > George, I have the same Graphic 4X5 , would you care to share just where you > mark on the rail bed to denote various focal lengths and how or what you use > > to mark ? > > Thanks > dalf...@aol.com I simply measured where the bed should be for each of the three pinholes I use with the camera, then used a drop of whiteout on the base of the bed to indicate how far to draw the lensboard for each one. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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Because of the number of people interested, and the apparent file size, you might want to just put them on a webserver. Find a free web host, and put the files there for people to download. There won't be any problems with people's email servers freaking out from the file size, nor will people on slow connections have to wait for the email client to download the images, just to check their email. This isn't the case for every email client, but the ms outlook client and several others do this. John > By the way the folding camera plans are copied and should be out shortly. I > haven't figured how to keep the files to a manageable size with pdf. Does > anyone have any ideas so that the plans don't take too long to download? > And another question, how do you send the same email to several address at > once? .org/discussion/
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this is a very fine idea... good thinking katharine! jim k - Original Message - From: "Katharine Thayer" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth > For darkening the windows of the darkroom, I use an opaque white cloth > available from fabric and decorating shops; it's called "blackout > cloth." Its nominal use is as a lining for bedroom curtains, for people > who like to sleep in and don't like the light in their eyes, but it > serves beautifully for our purpose as well. I like it because when the > lights are on the white cloth makes the room seem light instead of like > a cave.
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I look forward to getting seeing those plans. cg
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on 4/1/02 5:31 pm, George L Smyth at glsm...@yahoo.com wrote: > > --- ragowaring wrote: >> By the way the folding camera plans are copied and should be out shortly. I >> haven't figured how to keep the files to a manageable size with pdf. Does >> anyone have any ideas so that the plans don't take too long to download? >> And another question, how do you send the same email to several address at >> once? > > Why not simply use jpgs? PDF not only will necessarily make your file larger, > but requires the end user to download and install yet another plug-in. > > Sending email to multiple individuals is normally best done by placing the > addresses in the BCC area. That way you are not offering everyone's email > address to everyone else. I shall do as you say thanks alexis > > Cheers - > > george > > = > Handmade Photographic Images > http://members.home.net/hmpi/ > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
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In a message dated 1/4/02 11:44:12 AM Central Standard Time, glsm...@yahoo.com writes: << I use an inexpensive loop that normally fits in the eye. By placing it against the screen, I can get a very nice view of the focus of the image. Since I use a Pacemaker Crown Graphic, it has flaps on the top and sides that block things out fairly well, so I don't need a cloth. I would think that pretty much any cloth would do a reasonable job at letting you see the image. You don't need anything light-tight, just something that will allow you to compose and focus. That said, I am talking about using my 4X5 as a lens camera. I have tried, in the past, to do focusing with pinhole and have never had success. I finally marked the bed with where the lens board should be when using specific pinholes - that seemed to work so much easier than trying to actually focus the pinhole. Cheers - george >> George, I have the same Graphic 4X5 , would you care to share just where you mark on the rail bed to denote various focal lengths and how or what you use to mark ? Thanks dalf...@aol.com
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These are the ones I used... http://www.homedepot.com/cmc_upload/HDUS/EN_US/asset/images/pii/1/5/4/0/A704 51_3.JPG 3 mil thick.. plus i didn't cut them at all so it was actually 6 mil (3 mil x the 2 "walls" of the bag) thick. seemed opaque to me but i don't remember how much I really scrutinized it since it was just for a camera obscura and not a darkroom. rob > From: "Andy Schmitt" > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:50:24 -0500 > To: > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth > > ah but is it really opaque? > The ones I tried weren't > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of R Duarte > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:40 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth > > > The cheapest plastic I've found is the thickest contractor bags they have at > Home Depot (a hardware store franchise in the US). (contractor bags are > basically really thick trash bags). I used these bags and gaffer's tape to > block 3 windows in bright sunlight in my room to create a camera obscura and > it worked fine. I'm sure it's WY cheaper than any "darkroom" plastic or > drapes. > > rob > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
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ah but is it really opaque? The ones I tried weren't andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of R Duarte Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:40 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth The cheapest plastic I've found is the thickest contractor bags they have at Home Depot (a hardware store franchise in the US). (contractor bags are basically really thick trash bags). I used these bags and gaffer's tape to block 3 windows in bright sunlight in my room to create a camera obscura and it worked fine. I'm sure it's WY cheaper than any "darkroom" plastic or drapes. rob ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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--- ragowaring wrote: > By the way the folding camera plans are copied and should be out shortly. I > haven't figured how to keep the files to a manageable size with pdf. Does > anyone have any ideas so that the plans don't take too long to download? > And another question, how do you send the same email to several address at > once? Why not simply use jpgs? PDF not only will necessarily make your file larger, but requires the end user to download and install yet another plug-in. Sending email to multiple individuals is normally best done by placing the addresses in the BCC area. That way you are not offering everyone's email address to everyone else. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
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--- Jeff Dilcher wrote: > Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how > I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? > > I need something that will work reasonable well with > a 4X5 view camera, but am not interested in spending > too much, obviously. I have a finney that I am experimenting > with using for lens as well as pinhole work.. I use an inexpensive loop that normally fits in the eye. By placing it against the screen, I can get a very nice view of the focus of the image. Since I use a Pacemaker Crown Graphic, it has flaps on the top and sides that block things out fairly well, so I don't need a cloth. I would think that pretty much any cloth would do a reasonable job at letting you see the image. You don't need anything light-tight, just something that will allow you to compose and focus. That said, I am talking about using my 4X5 as a lens camera. I have tried, in the past, to do focusing with pinhole and have never had success. I finally marked the bed with where the lens board should be when using specific pinholes - that seemed to work so much easier than trying to actually focus the pinhole. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
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I read somewhere that if you draw a cross on the ground glass with an H lead pencil and stick a piece of glass slide over it with canada balsam (which has the same refractive index as glass and is used for microscope slides) this provides a good focusing system working on parallax or something. I think, if I can remember, that focusing one way the lines will move one way and focusing the other will cause the opposite movement. Unfortunately I cannot remember where I saw this. Perhaps some of you out there know of this method. Apparently it helps focusing greatly. By the way the folding camera plans are copied and should be out shortly. I haven't figured how to keep the files to a manageable size with pdf. Does anyone have any ideas so that the plans don't take too long to download? And another question, how do you send the same email to several address at once? Thanks alexis
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b2myo...@aol.com wrote: > The windows in my room are opposite my monitor and create a glare. The images > on the computer screen appear different depending upon the light, day, night, > sun, etc. It's best to have consistant light for digital darkroom work. Ah, that makes sense, and you're absolutely right. kt
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I got a really nice 10x loupe at a local tool shop - House of Tools- only $10.00. I also bought a small metal ruler incremented in .5mm , I use the ruler and the loupe to get a accurate enough estimate of pinhole diamters. Gord
Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth
The cheapest plastic I've found is the thickest contractor bags they have at Home Depot (a hardware store franchise in the US). (contractor bags are basically really thick trash bags). I used these bags and gaffer's tape to block 3 windows in bright sunlight in my room to create a camera obscura and it worked fine. I'm sure it's WY cheaper than any "darkroom" plastic or drapes. rob
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In a message dated 1/4/02 11:13:58 AM, ktha...@pacifier.com writes: << I'm sort of puzzled why you would need to darken the windows of a DIGITAL darkroom, but I'll put that aside. >> The windows in my room are opposite my monitor and create a glare. The images on the computer screen appear different depending upon the light, day, night, sun, etc. It's best to have consistant light for digital darkroom work. Thank you for your suggestion, Katharine...and everybody. Happy New Year to one and all and happy pinholin' Where's Tom Lindsay? leezy
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Hi leezy, I'm sort of puzzled why you would need to darken the windows of a DIGITAL darkroom, but I'll put that aside. For darkening the windows of the darkroom, I use an opaque white cloth available from fabric and decorating shops; it's called "blackout cloth." Its nominal use is as a lining for bedroom curtains, for people who like to sleep in and don't like the light in their eyes, but it serves beautifully for our purpose as well. I like it because when the lights are on the white cloth makes the room seem light instead of like a cave. For a focusing cloth, I use a good quality (tightly woven) wool twill; it's much lighter in weight than the blackout cloth I described above, and it folds down nicely for carrying, but also has enough substance to it that it doesn't blow around in a breeze. Katharine b2myo...@aol.com wrote: > > This reminds me. I'm looking for some darkroom cloth for the windows in my > digital darkroom. Any suggestions for me? Is that the same as focusing cloth? > Thank you. > leezy > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
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Roc-Lon TLC Blackout Drapery liner. Rockland Industries Inc., PO Box 17293, Baltimore, MD 21297 If you wish, I can send you one to look at before you buy. I haven't finished my darkroom here so it's just lying around... andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of b2myo...@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:41 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth In a message dated 1/4/02 9:36:35 AM, aschm...@warwick.net writes: << Leezy There is a Md. Company that puts "irregular" darkroom draperies on sale on Ebay. I can send you their address if you'd rather just buy it outright. andy >> Thank you, Andy. I'd appreciate that. Best, leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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In a message dated 1/4/02 9:36:35 AM, aschm...@warwick.net writes: << Leezy There is a Md. Company that puts "irregular" darkroom draperies on sale on Ebay. I can send you their address if you'd rather just buy it outright. andy >> Thank you, Andy. I'd appreciate that. Best, leezy
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> I don't know about a focusing loupe but any tightly woven no lint black > cloth should do. The heavier and finer the weave the better. Probably a > good try would be raincoat material. You want it pliable and easily > foldable. You could use fake leather or bookbinding material but this is > awkard to fold making packing a difficulty but perhaps more importantly > folds and the hang of the material do create natural light traps which will > make focusing easier, especially in conditions of bright light. > > alexis Some of the commercial focussing cloths are black on one side and white or silver on the other side to prevent it from getting too hot under the cloth when you are out in bright sun.
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Leezy There is a Md. Company that puts "irregular" darkroom draperies on sale on Ebay. I can send you their address if you'd rather just buy it outright. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of b2myo...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:52 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth In a message dated 1/4/02 12:48:32 AM, dilc...@hiddenworld.net writes: << Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? >> This reminds me. I'm looking for some darkroom cloth for the windows in my digital darkroom. Any suggestions for me? Is that the same as focusing cloth? Thank you. leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
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Porters, at www.porters.com has good plastic. Not very elegant, though. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] focusing loupe and focusing cloth > > In a message dated 1/4/02 12:48:32 AM, dilc...@hiddenworld.net writes: > > << Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how > > I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? >> > > This reminds me. I'm looking for some darkroom cloth for the windows in my > digital darkroom. Any suggestions for me? Is that the same as focusing cloth? > Thank you. > leezy > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/ >
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In a message dated 1/4/02 5:30:19 AM, dalf...@aol.com writes: << Porter's Cameras sells a product that you can put over windows, much like black plastic, it comes in rolls , so you can cut and tape to size you require , am not sure as to the price ,or if its self adhereing or not , seems fairly cheap , try http://www.porters.com >> Thank you. I asked for their catalog. leezy
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In a message dated 1/3/02 11:10:19 PM Central Standard Time, b2myo...@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 1/4/02 12:48:32 AM, dilc...@hiddenworld.net writes: << Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? >> This reminds me. I'm looking for some darkroom cloth for the windows in my digital darkroom. Any suggestions for me? Is that the same as focusing cloth? Thank you. leezy >> Porter's Cameras sells a product that you can put over windows, much like black plastic, it comes in rolls , so you can cut and tape to size you require , am not sure as to the price ,or if its self adhereing or not , seems fairly cheap , try http://www.porters.com
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In a message dated 1/3/02 10:48:32 PM Central Standard Time, dilc...@hiddenworld.net writes: << Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? I need something that will work reasonable well with a 4X5 view camera, but am not interested in spending too much, obviously. I have a finney that I am experimenting with using for lens as well as pinhole work.. Any tips appreciated, Jeff >> What I did was, go to a local fabric shop , and searched for black cloth , something in a cotton blend ( so it could be washed ) and got double the amount( reason being one thickness did not screen out the light totally ), folded it over in half, then sewed seams all along the edges ( I had a friend do this part) and voila I had a focusing cloth for my 4X5 . I suspect you could buy a black piece , and a white piece to sew over it , to keep out the heat while focusing in summers , since then I have purchased a really nice focusing cloth from the View Camera store in AZ. ..It fits snugly around my view finder by means of elastic, but the price was about $54 .00 maybe, cant recall, but it is one that will last and take some abusing over the years , you could probably sew in elastic to the pieces of cloth you purchase, too. At the cheap end of the spectrum , I used to use an Agfa loupe , dunno what the price is now, (maybe around $6.00-8.00 now,) its power is about 4X as I recall , maybe 6X , since it is plastic, its not the sharpest, but it works, also I just bought cheap magnifying glasses to use too, but always seemed to lose them , so bought the Agfa loupes instead. Hope this is of help to you .
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I don't know about a focusing loupe but any tightly woven no lint black cloth should do. The heavier and finer the weave the better. Probably a good try would be raincoat material. You want it pliable and easily foldable. You could use fake leather or bookbinding material but this is awkard to fold making packing a difficulty but perhaps more importantly folds and the hang of the material do create natural light traps which will make focusing easier, especially in conditions of bright light. alexis on 4/1/02 4:39 am, Jeff Dilcher at dilc...@hiddenworld.net wrote: > Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how > I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? > > I need something that will work reasonable well with > a 4X5 view camera, but am not interested in spending > too much, obviously. I have a finney that I am experimenting > with using for lens as well as pinhole work.. > > Any tips appreciated, > Jeff > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.???/discussion/
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In a message dated 1/4/02 12:48:32 AM, dilc...@hiddenworld.net writes: << Anyone have any good / cheap suggestions on how I should go about obtaining a focusing loupe and focusing cloth? >> This reminds me. I'm looking for some darkroom cloth for the windows in my digital darkroom. Any suggestions for me? Is that the same as focusing cloth? Thank you. leezy
