Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
There's a yahoo group DigitalBlackAndWhitethePrint that covers using quadtone and hextone inks in exhaustive detail. On Saturday 23 Mar 2002 5:22 am, Mark Interrante wrote: Hi, Here is some context: Iris printers started in the early 90s and they are high quality 4 color inkjet devices. Companies like Nash Editions (http://www.nasheditions.com/) were pioneers in using these devices for fine art prints. By the late 90s consumer inkjet printers (epson, HP, etc) had achieved sufficient quality that people experimented with creating monochrome inksets for use in these printers. MIS and Piezo are two of the best (IMHO). I like these processes which start with a negative, get a high quality scan, digital darkroom (precise dodging, burning, contrast control, etc. in photoshop), and then I have a reproducible art print. From MIS site -- Specially formulated archival inks have been developed by MIS for printing black and white images. The quality of the images is far superior to using the Epson color inks. The black to white range is increased and the visible dots are greatly reduced, if not eliminated. Piezo site - http://www.piezography.com/ MIS site - http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/quadtone.html Mark http://www.interwalk.com/pinhole.htm -- Original Message -- From: Ray Esposito brassr...@brassring.org To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:23:43 -0500 I'll bite- What is piezography? Cheers Beaker Ink Ray ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
I'll bite- What is piezography? Cheers Beaker Ink Ray
Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
Mark Interrante wrote: Hi, I use the MIS inks and have found them quite good. I researched piezo and MIS and found that MIS are cheaper, same quality, less hassles (banding, and green shifting), and it is a completely open system (vs. custom sw from piezo), and has warm and cold tone options. I have gotten two piezo prints made at service bureaus (http://www.colorfolio.com and http://westcoastimaging.com) I like them and if I was sending out for prints would be happy with the technology. If you are interested in the full dialog around these products I'd suggest checking out two yahoo mailing lists: 1) General BW digital printing (MIS, Piezo, Lightjet, HP) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ 2) Piezo specific http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000/ Two notes: The tonal gradiations are close to platinium but the darkest blacks are missing (This technology will not get the last zone of black). Also prints are made on matt fine art paper, glossy is not available. Mark http://www.interwalk.com/pinhole.htm -- Original Message -- From: Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] piezography Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:05:48 -0500 Anyone on the list had any experience bw printing with Piezography or other bw inkjet methods? Any advice for those thinking to pursue inkjet printing? Thanks, Jeff ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ I'll bite- What is piezography? Cheers Beaker -- Gravity is a harsh mistress The Tick- 1996 Mike Beacom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
I just wanted to second Alixis said, PiezoMIS prints look great. For example I was in a group show of night photographers in January, and we had a total of 50 prints in the show (color and BW) with about 20 of the prints BW (10 silver and 10 were ink). No one noticed any quality difference and being night photography, there were lots of dark tones in the images. Mark -- Original Message -- Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography From: ragowaring ragowar...@btinternet.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:09:19 + I use an Epson 2000P and am very pleased with it indeed. Used with a high quality paper the result is very worthwhile and the detail is well if you want more detail then perhaps you need to stop using a magnifying glass to look at the pictures with. The archive quality means that I can present the prints without fear of the image deteriorating as long as they are treated like watercolours. There is now a wide range of papers available for inkjet suitable for most types of images and destinations. The cost per print is relatively high, but then this is reflected in the image quality which is high indeed, filling a gap between lithographic printing and the extremely expensive silk screen printing. It is ideal for pinhole photographs. Alexis ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
I use an Epson 2000P and am very pleased with it indeed. Used with a high quality paper the result is very worthwhile and the detail is well if you want more detail then perhaps you need to stop using a magnifying glass to look at the pictures with. The archive quality means that I can present the prints without fear of the image deteriorating as long as they are treated like watercolours. There is now a wide range of papers available for inkjet suitable for most types of images and destinations. The cost per print is relatively high, but then this is reflected in the image quality which is high indeed, filling a gap between lithographic printing and the extremely expensive silk screen printing. It is ideal for pinhole photographs. Alexis
Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
Greetings, I have also considered piezography, however it is questionable whether it would work with my epson 875dc. My prints are generally quite smallish, no bigger than 6x9 and I have great results with the epson ink sets. There are plenty of users who find fault with the Epson 870/1270 inks, and sometimes get the dreaded orange fade. I have not had this difficulty and primarily use it for monochrome and duotone printing. I have had this printer for about 1.5 years. The great expense of the piezography system outweighed any potential quality I would have received, and I can still print full color if I desire. I bought the printer as a close-out for $99 and It has already paid for itself many times over. Try printing your monochromes on a high end Epson printer before you drop the money for the Piezography system. My local gallery can't decipher what I printed on or used, they just like the prints. That's probably the best advice I have. Don Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net wrote: Anyone on the list had any experience bw printing with Piezography or other bw inkjet methods? Any advice for those thinking to pursue inkjet printing? Thanks, Jeff ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards®
RE: [pinhole-discussion] piezography
Hi, I use the MIS inks and have found them quite good. I researched piezo and MIS and found that MIS are cheaper, same quality, less hassles (banding, and green shifting), and it is a completely open system (vs. custom sw from piezo), and has warm and cold tone options. I have gotten two piezo prints made at service bureaus (http://www.colorfolio.com and http://westcoastimaging.com) I like them and if I was sending out for prints would be happy with the technology. If you are interested in the full dialog around these products I'd suggest checking out two yahoo mailing lists: 1) General BW digital printing (MIS, Piezo, Lightjet, HP) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ 2) Piezo specific http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000/ Two notes: The tonal gradiations are close to platinium but the darkest blacks are missing (This technology will not get the last zone of black). Also prints are made on matt fine art paper, glossy is not available. Mark http://www.interwalk.com/pinhole.htm -- Original Message -- From: Jeff Dilcher dilc...@hiddenworld.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] piezography Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:05:48 -0500 Anyone on the list had any experience bw printing with Piezography or other bw inkjet methods? Any advice for those thinking to pursue inkjet printing? Thanks, Jeff ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography?
Hi, I have begun learning about piezo and find it a beautiful process that is similar to Platinum. West Coast Imaging did got about 20 people together to share and discuss the techniques, I came away very impressed with the tonal range!, sharpness, and beauty of the prints. Limitations--The process works best on matt paper and the DMax is lower than traditional printing. I saw numerous comparisons between traditional and piezo, it held it's own. Many times I thought it was the print I would want to exhibit. I will begin using the process (on my pinhole/zone images) in the winter once they have released their new version which works with my Epson 1280 printer. For those with older Epsons, it already works. Here are some links for more info: FAQ - http://www.westcoastimaging.com/wci/page/services/piez/faqpiez.html Good article by an experienced view camera photographer - http://www.piezography.com/dw-viewcamera-july.html Discussion forum for all things piezo- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000 Mark http://www.interwalk.com/gallery.htm -- Original Message -- - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net I have heard people refer to piezography when referring to printing from a computer. Is this just a fancy term for inkjet printing? The fancy name is Gicleé and not all the Gicleé prints are printed using Piezography system. Read about Piezography from the horse's mouth at piezography.com Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography?
- Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net I have heard people refer to piezography when referring to printing from a computer. Is this just a fancy term for inkjet printing? The fancy name is Gicleé and not all the Gicleé prints are printed using Piezography system. Read about Piezography from the horse's mouth at piezography.com Guillermo
