Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
So it seems the general consensus is that it's good, there were only different opinions about the unlike Android bit, so I've removed that now. Thomas is right that this doesn't warrant different versions around, and I'd rather have one clear statement which is generally agreed on than different versions. Also, I don't think the unlike Android qualification is all that important, so let's just scratch it. We want to finalize this and move on and build on it, so please have another look over it, check if everything's OK, if the wording should be fixed somewhere, and so on. This is what stands right now: On Monday, August 10, 2015 22:00:59 Jens Reuterberg wrote: VISION STATEMENT: Plasma Mobile aims to become a complete software system for mobile devices. It is designed to give privacy-aware users back the full-control over their information and communication. Plasma Mobile takes a pragmatic approach and is inclusive to 3rd party software, allowing the user to choose which applications and services to use. It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. If it's OK with everybody let's declare it final for the time being (we can always decide to change it in the future of course), and move on to things like personas, HIG, etc., tasks which depend on having this vision statement. Also, this is not an easy thing to come up with and discuss, and I'm quite amazed how well we worked together in this process. Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
On Thursday, August 13, 2015, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote: If it's OK with everybody let's declare it final for the time being +1 for it being final for the time being (now i'll get back being in places luckily without any pesky connectivity :p) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
Also, don't confuse the vision statement with a marketing product vision. The vision statement is mainly inward-facing, so we can look at it and measure our deeds against it, not so much outward-facing. For marketing and communication, we'd likely reword these things slightly, either for cover-your-ass reasons, or to make it more eloquent, interesting or catchy. Sold! I am all for it, as long as we don't use it for marketing purposes. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 01:09:15 Michael Bohlender wrote: Great work guys! I love the part about privacy and I can identify with the rest of the vision. Cool, thanks for reading it critically and for the feedback. Some minor things: It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. I guess your primarily mean devices running other Plasma Experiences (Desktop / PMC / whatever the future brings) Or do you want to explicitly include more? No, but we also don't have to. We can try to be perfect and exact in the wording, but then the text would be three times as long, bringing it to a length that nobody on the Internet reads. I think it's clear, if you think about it, that this integration also depends on other devices, so that the integration is not a given. Also, don't confuse the vision statement with a marketing product vision. The vision statement is mainly inward-facing, so we can look at it and measure our deeds against it, not so much outward-facing. For marketing and communication, we'd likely reword these things slightly, either for cover-your-ass reasons, or to make it more eloquent, interesting or catchy. Also the wording is not perfect. It sound like plasma mobile will be on multiple devices that provide a seamless experience when used together. That's what we wanted to express, though. :-) Think what we can bring t the table with kdeconnect, for example... Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. I am undecided on the unlike Android part. Could you share your reasoning for including it? We decided to include it since it's important to set us apart. We've used the template that Andres and Thomas presented during Akademy, and went from there. I understand the reservations to name a competitor, but then, this is exactly what people will ask and what we should make very straightforward to understand. In a TV ad, I'd probably refrain from naming Android as competitor, in a vision statement, it helps to understand the independence and privacy awareness that we're trying to communicate. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
Ten thumbs up! (just need 4 more people to get to ten thumbs) So exciting, Andrew On Mon, Aug 10, 2015, 1:01 PM Jens Reuterberg wrote: PRESENT: Ivan, Sebas, Thomas and Jens MEETING GOAL: write up a vision statement for Plasma Mobile and talk about the early work of the Plasma Mobile HIG and design goals. The vision we ended with, after much debate of different wordings, what should and shouldn't be included in a vision statement was VISION STATEMENT: Plasma Mobile aims to become a complete software system for mobile devices. It is designed to give privacy-aware users back the full-control over their information and communication. Plasma Mobile takes a pragmatic approach and is inclusive to 3rd party software, allowing the user to choose which applications and services to use. It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. NOTES ON VISION STATEMENT: We wanted the vision statement to reflect not the projects current position but our future goals in full. A system for actual users with a focus on privacy, control of information and your own system and working in the open as a community using open source. We also included information about our pragmatism and how the phone intends to be easily adaptable to different apps from other eco-systems and also our intent to make it a pairing with desktops. PERSONAS: We also talked about future Personas that we want to work towards when creating user stories and scenarios and settled fairly quickly on Berna (the office worker) and Susan (the recreational user). (1) DESIGN NOTES: Further notes of interest during the meeting where a few bullet points concerning future design goals for individual apps which will reach the HIG in the end 1) All applications should be private by default - no sending data in the default configuration, must not phone home 2) Applications should try to include security and control of info. Should be apparent not hidden. This is not an excuse for geeky design. 3) Applications should always aim for integration between devices, for example using kdeconnect FUTURE COMMUNICATION: We also brainstormed on communication taglines for the project that will be narrowed down further as time goes by (and should probably be a case for the KDE Promo team) - centering mostly on user self control over his or her information and communication but also communication ideas concerning pragmatism. Pragmatic to the bone Think Similar This is your phone, no one elses Plasma's Satellite Your phone. Your stuff. Your Plasma Mobile. Plasma Mobile. Yours. Yours For your eyes only. Yours truly. All in all a very productive meeting. - 1) https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/Principles/KDE4_Personas ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
On Tuesday 11 August 2015 11:13:57 Sebastian Kügler wrote: Some minor things: It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. I guess your primarily mean devices running other Plasma Experiences (Desktop / PMC / whatever the future brings) Or do you want to explicitly include more? No, but we also don't have to. We can try to be perfect and exact in the wording, but then the text would be three times as long, bringing it to a length that nobody on the Internet reads. I think it's clear, if you think about it, that this integration also depends on other devices, so that the integration is not a given. I agree with Sebas that we don't have to fear someone pointing a gun at our chest and saying But you said 'devices', so I demand a great experience even with my Windows PC!. That said, we still can change it to something like across Plasma-powered devices if we would like to emphasize Plasma as the common element connecting them. So, while I would not include Plasma in that sentence just for the sake of correctness, I _would_ include it if the community feels that it strengthens our vision. Also, don't confuse the vision statement with a marketing product vision. The vision statement is mainly inward-facing, so we can look at it and measure our deeds against it, not so much outward-facing. For marketing and communication, we'd likely reword these things slightly, either for cover-your-ass reasons, or to make it more eloquent, interesting or catchy. Good point. If we indeed want two different versions, however, we should come up with the outward-facing one soon as well, so we don't have to hold back talking about it publicly. Plus, we have to be aware that even the inward-facing vision will be public, even if it's only on our Wiki. Also the wording is not perfect. It sound like plasma mobile will be on multiple devices that provide a seamless experience when used together. That's what we wanted to express, though. :-) Think what we can bring t the table with kdeconnect, for example... As stated above: If the community could identify even better with a vision that explicitly emphasized a cross-Plasma experience, that's fine. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. I am undecided on the unlike Android part. Could you share your reasoning for including it? We decided to include it since it's important to set us apart. We've used the template that Andres and Thomas presented during Akademy, and went from there. I understand the reservations to name a competitor, but then, this is exactly what people will ask and what we should make very straightforward to understand. In a TV ad, I'd probably refrain from naming Android as competitor, in a vision statement, it helps to understand the independence and privacy awareness that we're trying to communicate. Explicitly stating your main competitor(s) can help to focus on what you aim to measure up against, so it can make sense to make it clear. That said, this merely expresses the view we shared at the end of our meeting (as there were good arguments for it), it's not set in stone. If the majority of the community would prefer not to explicitly compete with Android, (for example because you feel that we would target an audience that doesn't currently use Android), we can still change it or leave it out completely, of course. I'm glad that people seem to agree with the vision at large. We can still fine-tune some bits here and there if we agree that this would improve it even further. We can still update it at any point in time, though. A vision is a living document that should always reflect how the community feels at a given point, after all, not something you write once and then must never touch again. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
PRESENT: Ivan, Sebas, Thomas and Jens MEETING GOAL: write up a vision statement for Plasma Mobile and talk about the early work of the Plasma Mobile HIG and design goals. The vision we ended with, after much debate of different wordings, what should and shouldn't be included in a vision statement was VISION STATEMENT: Plasma Mobile aims to become a complete software system for mobile devices. It is designed to give privacy-aware users back the full-control over their information and communication. Plasma Mobile takes a pragmatic approach and is inclusive to 3rd party software, allowing the user to choose which applications and services to use. It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. NOTES ON VISION STATEMENT: We wanted the vision statement to reflect not the projects current position but our future goals in full. A system for actual users with a focus on privacy, control of information and your own system and working in the open as a community using open source. We also included information about our pragmatism and how the phone intends to be easily adaptable to different apps from other eco-systems and also our intent to make it a pairing with desktops. PERSONAS: We also talked about future Personas that we want to work towards when creating user stories and scenarios and settled fairly quickly on Berna (the office worker) and Susan (the recreational user). (1) DESIGN NOTES: Further notes of interest during the meeting where a few bullet points concerning future design goals for individual apps which will reach the HIG in the end 1) All applications should be private by default - no sending data in the default configuration, must not phone home 2) Applications should try to include security and control of info. Should be apparent not hidden. This is not an excuse for geeky design. 3) Applications should always aim for integration between devices, for example using kdeconnect FUTURE COMMUNICATION: We also brainstormed on communication taglines for the project that will be narrowed down further as time goes by (and should probably be a case for the KDE Promo team) - centering mostly on user self control over his or her information and communication but also communication ideas concerning pragmatism. Pragmatic to the bone Think Similar This is your phone, no one elses Plasma's Satellite Your phone. Your stuff. Your Plasma Mobile. Plasma Mobile. Yours. Yours For your eyes only. Yours truly. All in all a very productive meeting. - 1) https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/Principles/KDE4_Personas ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
Am Montag, 10. August 2015, 22.00:59 schrieb Jens Reuterberg: Morning visionary people Sounds like productive and good work. Liked to read it and like the overall vision. One thing I'd like to state for change (hopefully in a constructive manner) see below. PRESENT: Ivan, Sebas, Thomas and Jens MEETING GOAL: write up a vision statement for Plasma Mobile and talk about the early work of the Plasma Mobile HIG and design goals. The vision we ended with, after much debate of different wordings, what should and shouldn't be included in a vision statement was VISION STATEMENT: Plasma Mobile aims to become a complete software system for mobile devices. It is designed to give privacy-aware users back the full-control over their information and communication. Plasma Mobile takes a pragmatic approach and is inclusive to 3rd party software, allowing the user to choose which applications and services to use. It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. I'd definitely scratch -- unlike Android --. I think that's something for the case if somebody asks: But what about Android, isn't it open source. Then you can describe it. But not in a vision statement. Don't refer in there to another competitive product. Plasma Mobile can work and define itself on its own. You don't need to differentiate from others like this. Be self-confident. [snip] Nothing to add to the rest. Looking forward to see Plasma Mobile prosper. Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
Thanks for writing that up, Jens! I agree that it was very productive indeed. These are all just our initial version of things, of course. Nothing is set in stone. This is a vision for the whole team, which can only effective if the whole team can identify with it. So please, comment away, suggestions welcome! Great vision, I'd keep exactly the way it is! would be fine, too, so we know people have read it and agree with it Once the discussion slows down and it appears we have come to an agreement, we'll officially publish it with all the bells and whistles it deserves. Looking forward to your thoughts, Thomas ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
First thank you very much for summarising the hangout for all of us! Second are we going to use doodle next time as well for getting a hangout planned? On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Mario Fux kde...@unormal.org wrote: Am Montag, 10. August 2015, 22.00:59 schrieb Jens Reuterberg: Morning visionary people Sounds like productive and good work. Liked to read it and like the overall vision. One thing I'd like to state for change (hopefully in a constructive manner) see below. PRESENT: Ivan, Sebas, Thomas and Jens MEETING GOAL: write up a vision statement for Plasma Mobile and talk about the early work of the Plasma Mobile HIG and design goals. The vision we ended with, after much debate of different wordings, what should and shouldn't be included in a vision statement was VISION STATEMENT: Plasma Mobile aims to become a complete software system for mobile devices. It is designed to give privacy-aware users back the full-control over their information and communication. Plasma Mobile takes a pragmatic approach and is inclusive to 3rd party software, allowing the user to choose which applications and services to use. It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. I'd definitely scratch -- unlike Android --. I think that's something for the case if somebody asks: But what about Android, isn't it open source. Then you can describe it. But not in a vision statement. Don't refer in there to another competitive product. Plasma Mobile can work and define itself on its own. You don't need to differentiate from others like this. Be self-confident. [snip] Nothing to add to the rest. Looking forward to see Plasma Mobile prosper. Thanks Mario ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Mobile Vision, intended personas meeting notes
Great work guys! I love the part about privacy and I can identify with the rest of the vision. Some minor things: It provides a seamless experience across multiple devices. I guess your primarily mean devices running other Plasma Experiences (Desktop / PMC / whatever the future brings) Or do you want to explicitly include more? Also the wording is not perfect. It sound like plasma mobile will be on multiple devices that provide a seamless experience when used together. Plasma Mobile implements open standards, and -- unlike Android -- it is developed in a transparent process that is open for the community to participate in. I am undecided on the unlike Android part. Could you share your reasoning for including it? PERSONAS: We also talked about future Personas that we want to work towards when creating user stories and scenarios and settled fairly quickly on Berna (the office worker) and Susan (the recreational user). Great choice. If it works for them it works for most. Cheers Michael ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
