Re: packages: util-linux/util-linux.spec - rel 4; don't include mountpoint (Sys...

2011-09-01 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
   Author: arekmDate: Wed Aug 31 20:06:20 2011 GMT
   Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
    Log message:
   - rel 4; don't include mountpoint (SysVinit contains it)
  [...]
   -%attr(755,root,root) /bin/mountpoint
   +#%attr(755,root,root) /bin/mountpoint
  what about upstart and systemd users? :)
 upstart users have mountpoint. systemd probably don't (does it work on 
 our system anyway?). Feel free to fix packages, so mountpoint will be in 
 util- linux only.

I'm not going to (-ENOTIME)
It was just notice.

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Re: packages: util-linux/util-linux.spec - rel 4; don't include mountpoint (Sys...

2011-08-31 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 31 Aug 2011, arekm wrote:
 Author: arekmDate: Wed Aug 31 20:06:20 2011 GMT
 Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - rel 4; don't include mountpoint (SysVinit contains it)
[...]
 -%attr(755,root,root) /bin/mountpoint
 +#%attr(755,root,root) /bin/mountpoint

what about upstart and systemd users? :)

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Re: packages: xorg-xserver-server/xorg-xserver-server.spec - xorg-driver-video ...

2011-08-26 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, glen wrote:
 Author: glen Date: Fri Aug 26 03:42:59 2011 GMT
 Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - xorg-driver-video virtual for video drivers
 - release 1
[...]
 +# Requires at least one video driver to run, see xorg.log which one exactly
 +Requires  xorg-driver-video

I don't think so.

You can have network X-server which doesn't even have display.

It should be Suggests

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Re: packages: etckeeper/etckeeper.spec - Up to 0.56

2011-08-24 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Tomasz Pala wrote:
   1. Make separate subpackage with completion files with proper requires 
  (prefered method).
  This is overkill.
  why? It's nice, IMHO. Wan't some completion? Install proper package.
 1. one needs to know he wants the completion - as they exist for a very 
limited set of programs only.
 2. one has to perform additional action - while it might just work OOTB.
 3. it eats space (additional rpm/poldek indexes) and clutters rpm -q.
 
 As a conclusion of 1 and 2: if new completion arise, it won't 
 automagically show up after upgrade.

If you see better method right now - you are welcome.
But DO THIS, don't talk about how rpm should work. Any of us know it.

 Otherwise why don't separate each man page? We could get rid of
 /usr/share/man from FHS (let's say we create FHS-man subpackage).

Reductio ad absurdum

Maybe each file in filesystem? :P

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Re: packages: etckeeper/etckeeper.spec - Up to 0.56

2011-08-23 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, caleb wrote:
 Author: calebDate: Tue Aug 23 11:10:00 2011 GMT
 Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - Up to 0.56
 
  Files affected:
 packages/etckeeper:
etckeeper.spec (1.5 - 1.6) 
[...]
  # - %{py_sitescriptdir}/bzrlib/plugins also created by qbzr package?
  Summary: Store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs
  Name:etckeeper
[...]
 +Requires:bash-completion

Are you sure?
IMvHO it shouldn't be more than Suggests... if any...

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Re: packages: etckeeper/etckeeper.spec - Up to 0.56

2011-08-23 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Caleb Maclennan wrote:
  +Requires:    bash-completion
 
  Are you sure?
  IMvHO it shouldn't be more than Suggests... if any...
 No I'm not sure how to handle this, but it does provide a file for use 
 by bash-completion:
 
 %{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/%{name}
 
 The folder for this does not exist unless bash-completion is installed, 
 resulting in an rpm error.

1. Make separate subpackage with completion files with proper requires 
   (prefered method).
2. Put %{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d to some filesystem or something 
   package (unlikely).

Make your choice. IMO 1 is preffered one. Take a look at other packages 
how to do it.

 If there is a more graceful way to both package this file and not throw 
 rpm errors without requiring bash-completion I would love to learn how.

Require bash_completion for directory only is insane. I can even not have 
bash...

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Re: packages: etckeeper/etckeeper.spec - Up to 0.56

2011-08-23 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  %{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/%{name}
  
  The folder for this does not exist unless bash-completion is 
  installed, resulting in an rpm error.
  1. Make separate subpackage with completion files with proper requires 
 (prefered method).
 This is overkill.

why? It's nice, IMHO.
Wan't some completion? Install proper package.

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Re: ssh: send/accept GIT_* env vars

2011-05-04 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 4 May 2011, Kacper Kornet wrote:
   What is the reason that GIT_ variables are copied by ssh to remote 
   session? I mean the following line in our default 
   /etc/ssh/ssh_config.
 
   AcceptEnv LANG LC_* LANGUAGE TZ GIT_*
 
   I have just discovered that it break at least one feature in 
   gitolite.
  you mean SendEnv not AcceptEnv?
 I mean SendEnv GIT_* in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and AcceptEnv GIT_* in 
 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
  why it is problem for you to set it up with ~/.ssh/config ?
 My question is, do we really need/want to have it in default 
 configuration?

no.
it's private glen's config in global stuff...

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Re: rc-scripts-user

2011-02-01 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Przemyslaw Iskra wrote:
 rc-scripts-user / userscripts allows normal users to schedule and 
 execute tasks on system startup and shutdown. Please test and comment. 
 Once it gets on any production system it will be hard to change 
 interface without breaking user configuration.
 
 The interface is:
 
 * All scripts in ~/.config/init.d/ (hardcoded path, no xdg support)
  - any better ideas ?

~/.config/init/

 * all *~ and *.bak files are ignored
  - ignore something else ?

.rpmnew, .rpmsave...

There is few more temporary filetypes.

 * executed in alphabetic order
  - maybe invert the order on shutdown ?

I see no use.

 * Scripts must accept start and stop arguments.
  - I don't see any use for restart or reload, do you ?

status should be, if state is noticed anywhere.

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Re: [PATCH] NetworkManager ModemManager

2010-09-27 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
  I think we should give you chance to work on your own account.
  me: +1
  +1
 
  Anyone else? :)
 do you know, that if you say +1, you must mentor his commits, i.e 
 correct him and explain things, not just say yes

Is it so hard to make search  the list for patches sent by subject of 
that voting? IMO these are ok. What should I say more?
I will watch for his commits, if you wish.

We don't have many people as active developers, why shouldn't we look for 
new ones?

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Re: packages: cairo/cairo-link.patch, cairo/cairo.spec - 1.10.0 - merged from d...

2010-09-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Jakub Bogusz wrote:
 - modify libtool not to use *.la for dynamic linking and keep them in 
   -devel

Lets suppose we will have modification like that.

Will mainstream accept it?
If yes - lets do it.

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Re: packages: cairo/cairo-link.patch, cairo/cairo.spec - 1.10.0 - merged from d...

2010-09-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  - remove all library *.la and -static packages
 
 +1 - this also simplifies builds and releases storage. Do we have any 
  FTP stats on *-static downloads? If noone uses them there's no 
  point in wasting resources.

Wrong.
I've used few times static libs to build some binaries and I'm using it 
for years...
Some may download it only once to do the build (like I did). FTP stats are 
not good indicator here...

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Re: packages: php/php.spec - fix timezone setup in php.ini - there's nothing to...

2010-08-26 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, glen wrote:
 Author: glen Date: Thu Aug 26 17:08:31 2010 GMT
 Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - fix timezone setup in php.ini
 - there's nothing to ldconfig
 
  Files affected:
 packages/php:
php.spec (1.892 - 1.893) 
 
  Diffs:
 
 
 Index: packages/php/php.spec
 diff -u packages/php/php.spec:1.892 packages/php/php.spec:1.893
 --- packages/php/php.spec:1.892   Thu Aug 26 19:00:17 2010
 +++ packages/php/php.spec Thu Aug 26 19:08:25 2010
 @@ -449,7 +449,6 @@
  Summary(uk.UTF-8):   Бібліотеки спільного використання для PHP
  Group:   Libraries
  Requires(post):  sed = 4.0
 -Requires(post):  /sbin/ldconfig
  # because of dlclose() bugs in glibc = 2.3.4 causing SEGVs on exit
  Requires:glibc = 6:2.3.5
  Requires:php-dirs
 @@ -2350,18 +2349,15 @@
  fi
  
  %post common
 -/sbin/ldconfig
  # PHP 5.3 requires timezone being setup, try setup it from tzdata
  if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/timezone ]; then
   TIMEZONE=
   . /etc/sysconfig/timezone
   if [ $TIMEZONE ]; then
 - %{__sed} -i -e s,^;date.timezone = .*,date.timezone = 
 $TIMEZONE, /etc/php/php.ini
 + %{__sed} -i -e s,^;date.timezone\s*=.*,date.timezone = 
 $TIMEZONE, /etc/php/php.ini

no.
It will break existing configurations...

Example file:
[...]
;date.timezone = dupa
date.timezone = GMT
;date.timezone = dupa
[...]


Do this only when option is not set.


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Re: [PATCH] NetworkManager ModemManager

2010-08-13 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Przemo Firszt wrote:
 List of changes:
 - Add polkit option to ModemManager configure,
 - Add ifcfg-rh plugin to NetworkManager,
 - Add new config file for NM and remove obsolete one,
 - Add Suggests: ModemManager  mobile-broadband-provider-info to
 NetworkManager.spec
 
 Tested on intel 2200 wifi connection and O2 Ireland 3G/UMTS connection
 on Nokia 5230 and an USB cable. NetworkManager needs more testing, but
 seems to work fine.
 
 And, as always,any volunteers to test  add changes to PLD repo?

I think we should give you chance to work on your own account.

me: +1

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Re: devel-hints-pl.txt thread

2010-06-04 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
 as seen by google translate:
 http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/pipermail/pld-devel-pl/2010-June/thread.html#start
 
 it's not 1st of april to do those jokes, is it?
 hint: the source:
 http://translate.google.com/#pl|et|Pawel%20Golaszewski

ROTFL! :D

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Re: devel-hints-pl.txt thread

2010-06-04 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Caleb Maclennan wrote:
  it's not 1st of april to do those jokes, is it?
  hint: the source:
  http://translate.google.com/#pl|et|Pawel%20Golaszewski
 Epic fail.
 
 For icing on the cake note that this translation is used in ANY target
 language. Apparently Elan Ruusamäe is the new Pawel Golaszewski
 world-wide?

My second identity. :D

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Re: Native upstart scripts

2010-05-04 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
  I think Upstart support should be implemented as an option, coexisting 
  with current solution, so the administrator may choose what he prefers 
  and even use init.d for some services and upstart for other.
 I was hoping for eventually dropping rc scripts for some services and
 moving them completely to upstart. I see why that might sound scary
 and am ok with having two solutions.

-ENOWAY !
Don't remove working sollution.

It can be done for new services, but not for existing-ones.

 I'd opt for having 2 separate -init subpackages, one with the current
 rc.d contents and one with an upstart job description and a simple
 rc.d wrapper that runs start $foo, stop $foo etc.

I wanted to say something like that.

  What do you think? Should I try to prepare a proof-of-concept 
  implementation?
 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a volunteer :)

hip-hip, hura!!! ;)

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Re: Native upstart scripts

2010-05-04 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
 Maybe we could make /etc/init.d a directory with symlinks to 
 /etc/rc.d/init.d or the upstart wrapper, depending on what is used to 
 handle the service?

see how ubuntu made this.
Every service is in that directory, some are links.
I can see how does it looks like at home, later.

  I'd opt for having 2 separate -init subpackages, one with the current
  rc.d contents and one with an upstart job description and a simple
  rc.d wrapper that runs start $foo, stop $foo etc.
 Extra two subpackages for every daemon? I would prefer to avoid that.

but you can make ignores in poldek with that and make it easy to use.

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Re: $HOME of system users like nobody or stats

2010-03-25 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Paweł Zuzelski wrote:
 mount.davfs (provided by davfs2 package) does not allow non-root user to 
 mount filesystem into another users home directory. Problem is that home 
 directory of nobody and stats users (both provided by setup package) is 
 /.
 I would like to change home directory of these users to 
 /usr/share/empty. Will it break something?

No, it won't.

AFAIR it was discussed ages ago with kloczek (hundreds-of-mails-thread)

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Re: packages: mysql/mysql.spec, mysql/my.cnf (NEW) - add default ~/.my.cnf via ...

2009-12-21 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009, glen wrote:
 Author: glen Date: Mon Dec 21 14:52:55 2009 GMT
 Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - add default ~/.my.cnf via /etc/skel
[...]
 +cp -a %{SOURCE14} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/skel/.my.cnf
[...]
 +%attr(600,root,root) %config(noreplace) %verify(not md5 mtime size) 
 /etc/skel/.my.cnf
[...]
 @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
 +[client]
 +user=mysql

Please, don't put you private configs into distro. It's not a good 
default.

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Re: Aktualne PHP powinno wymagać aktualnego pcre, problem z php-eaccelerator

2009-12-04 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  _Maybe_ he shouldn't do this... But it's done now and we shouldn't 
  reverse it.
[...]
 but it's obvious that this change MUST be reverted in Ac. This line is 
 frozen and there is NO PLACE for ANY changes, especially so invasive.

I can agree with that.

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Re: Aktualne PHP powinno wymagać aktualnego pcre, problem z php-eaccelerator

2009-12-02 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  you're writing of yourself in third tense? what is this letter about?
 
 About broken PHP. Not by me.
 
  everybody is welcome to fix packages and stbr them to builders, there's 
  even !stbr bot on irc for really everyone(?).
 
 There are already two votes to revert your change.

The only mistake here is requires missing. php-common should require 
packeges that are in separate modules now. For few months, to satisfy 
existing instalations. After that is could be suggest only, if any.

package spliting itself is ok, IMO.

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Re: Aktualne PHP powinno wymagać aktualnego pcre, problem z php-eaccelerator

2009-12-02 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  package spliting itself is ok, IMO.
  I don't really care if it's shared or not. I do care about working 
  apps. The one who broke them and fellowship he gathers should do that 
  BEFORE STBR.
 
 Although it definitely is bad idea. Let me repeat from -pl: I don't know
 a single installation not using sessions

I do. Not only one.

 and so limited in resources that it makes a difference.

It makes difference with apache in memory usage.

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Re: Aktualne PHP powinno wymagać aktualnego pcre, problem z php-eaccelerator

2009-12-02 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  Although it definitely is bad idea. Let me repeat from -pl: I don't 
  know a single installation not using sessions
  I do. Not only one.
 What's the traffic volume?

2 of them - minimal
2 of them - big.

  and so limited in resources that it makes a difference.
  It makes difference with apache in memory usage.
 What's the footprint?

I didn't checked but every php module loaded causes memory usage increase 
of each apache process. Crazy but it's the way apache works.

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Re: Aktualne PHP powinno wymagać aktualnego pcre, problem z php-eaccelerator

2009-12-02 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Tomasz Pala wrote:
   What's the footprint?
   I didn't checked but every php module loaded causes memory usage 
   increase of each apache process. Crazy but it's the way apache works.
 [...]
  There are arguments to make these modules as separate ones.
 Yes, memory overhead...
  OTOH I don't know any systems that don't use session isn't anything 
  significant. You can talk about any module like that...
 But there are only a few I can't imagine PHP without. What can do large 
 PHP traffic without sessions?

A lot of things can be done without sessions. Don't think about webpage in 
internet only. php can do much more things...

  Make performance, memory tests and proof that it's not the right 
  direction.
 ...now please step back and read first paragraph.

It exists. Dunno how big - 10-200kB?.
But this way we could end with one-big-php-lib because each module is 
unsignificant.

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Re: Aktualne PHP powinno wymagać aktualnego pcre, problem z php-eaccelerator

2009-12-02 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Wojciech Błaszkowski wrote:
   There is REALY a lots of packages / scripts / what_ever wich requres 
   session. IMO excluding session to single package is NOT a good idea.
  goal is to write down deps in pkgs. too bad original spec developer 
  didn't care writing down requirements. these are usually written in 
  README files, etc. welcome to pld... so are packages broken with sense 
  of requiring exact apache modules they use.  and they still are since 
  2.0 split each module. nobody is in care to fix those.
 Oh, com on glen.. Just revert that change and every thing will be back 
 to normal. We do NOT have to split everything just because we can.

_Maybe_ he shouldn't do this... But it's done now and we shouldn't reverse 
it.

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Re: packages: secpanel/secpanel.spec, secpanel/TODO (NEW) - TODO

2009-11-09 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
Author: bluesDate: Thu Oct 29 08:15:20 2009 GMT
Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
 Log message:
- TODO
   
 Files affected:
packages/secpanel:
   secpanel.spec (1.31 - 1.32) , TODO (NONE - 1.1)  (NEW)
 
  [...]
 
   I don't find such way useful:
   - when I download package by builder, I don't have ANY idea, that there
 even is any TODO
   - TODO is not available in .src.rpm
  I second that. Blues please stop making this mess.
 i third that, and it will be even more mess, as i and some other devs do 
 continue adding the todo in old fashion. resulting todo lists in two 
 different formats.

ok, let it be.

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Re: packages: secpanel/secpanel.spec, secpanel/TODO (NEW) - TODO

2009-11-08 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Pawel Golaszewski wrote:
   It can be packaged as doc. Easy to do. Packaging it and putting as 
   Source will fix previous issue...
  That would be really a mess. Consider conflicts with shipped TODO 
  files.
 TODO-PLD, PLD-TODO, whatever...
 Debian uses that and there is no problem.
 Putting that TODO in package as doc can be guide for users what can change 
 in future (split into subpackages, whatever)

Please, look at lighttpd.
It's packaged now.

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Re: packages: secpanel/secpanel.spec, secpanel/TODO (NEW) - TODO

2009-11-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Jakub Bogusz wrote:
  Author: bluesDate: Thu Oct 29 08:15:20 2009 GMT
  Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
   Log message:
  - TODO
  
   Files affected:
  packages/secpanel:
 secpanel.spec (1.31 - 1.32) , TODO (NONE - 1.1)  (NEW)
  
   Diffs:
  
  
  Index: packages/secpanel/secpanel.spec
  diff -u packages/secpanel/secpanel.spec:1.31 
  packages/secpanel/secpanel.spec:1.32
  --- packages/secpanel/secpanel.spec:1.31Fri Apr 10 10:39:10 2009
  +++ packages/secpanel/secpanel.spec Thu Oct 29 09:15:14 2009
  @@ -1,6 +1,4 @@
   # $Revision$, $Date$
  -# TODO:
  -# - some icon for desktop
   Summary:   Visual management of SSH connections
   Summary(pl.UTF-8): Wizualna nakładka na klienta SSH
   Name:  secpanel
 
  
  Index: packages/secpanel/TODO
  diff -u /dev/null packages/secpanel/TODO:1.1
  --- /dev/null   Thu Oct 29 09:15:20 2009
  +++ packages/secpanel/TODO  Thu Oct 29 09:15:14 2009
  @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
  +# TODO:
  +- some icon for desktop
  
 I don't find such way useful:

I do.
You can put there a lot more info that in spec header, without any ^#. 
Compilation errors, whatever.

I never liked long TODO's in spec headers. It's only noise.

 - when I download package by builder, I don't have ANY idea, that there
   even is any TODO

True - it should be fixed.

 - TODO is not available in .src.rpm

It can be packaged as doc. Easy to do. Packaging it and putting as Source 
will fix previous issue...

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Re: packages: secpanel/secpanel.spec, secpanel/TODO (NEW) - TODO

2009-11-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Jan Rekorajski wrote:
   Author: bluesDate: Thu Oct 29 08:15:20 2009 GMT
   Module: packages  Tag: HEAD
    Log message:
   - TODO
   
    Files affected:
   packages/secpanel:
  secpanel.spec (1.31 - 1.32) , TODO (NONE - 1.1)  (NEW)
 [...]
  I don't find such way useful:
  - when I download package by builder, I don't have ANY idea, that there
even is any TODO
  - TODO is not available in .src.rpm
 I second that. Blues please stop making this mess.

TODOs in spec is a mess...

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Re: packages: secpanel/secpanel.spec, secpanel/TODO (NEW) - TODO

2009-11-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  Compilation errors, whatever.
 Have never encoutered one.

no?
Look at openoffice.org.spec. Good luck.
NOTE, TODO, MAYBE TODO,

  I never liked long TODO's in spec headers. It's only noise.
 I never liked multiple %desc or subpackages. Just get used to it.

reductio ad absurdum

  It can be packaged as doc. Easy to do. Packaging it and putting as 
  Source will fix previous issue...
 That would be really a mess. Consider conflicts with shipped TODO files.

TODO-PLD, PLD-TODO, whatever...
Debian uses that and there is no problem.
Putting that TODO in package as doc can be guide for users what can change 
in future (split into subpackages, whatever)
  
I don't want to fight for that but it can be very useful.

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Re: xz vs. lzma

2009-06-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Paweł Zuzelski wrote:
 xz has replaced lzma, Provides/Obsoletes it and install symlink lzma 
 that points to xz. Unfortunatelly these programs are not compatibile. xz 
 is unable to decompress file compressed with lzma.

First of all - ask xz developers what they will do. Maybe it's just a bug. 
If not - we should do something about that.

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Re: xz vs. lzma

2009-06-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Paweł Zuzelski wrote:
   xz has replaced lzma, Provides/Obsoletes it and install symlink 
   lzma that points to xz. Unfortunatelly these programs are not 
   compatibile. xz is unable to decompress file compressed with lzma.
  First of all - ask xz developers what they will do. Maybe it's just a 
  bug. If not - we should do something about that.
 #tukaani
 
 09:23  pawelz Hello
 09:24  pawelz New xz is unable to decompress file compressed using lzma. Is 
 it a bug or feature? :)
 09:26  pawelz Are you going to fix it? Or just file format has changed and 
 new versions won't be compatibile with older ones??
 11:00 @Larhzu Hello
 11:00 @Larhzu You got luck, I've been away over a week.
 11:01 @Larhzu pawelz: How was that .lzma file created? XZ Utils supports 
 all .lzma files that the lzma tool from LZMA Utils 4.32.x can create.
 11:02 @Larhzu But there are types of .lzma files that are not supported by 
 XZ Utils but are supported by LZMA Utils. Such files should be very rare.
 11:03  pawelz Larhzu: I've created it using: tar acvf file.tar.lzma 
 directory
 11:04 @Larhzu What does lzma --version say?
 11:04  pawelz Larhzu: 
 ftp://distfiles.pld-linux.org/distfiles/by-md5/6/4/64c8be7214ca41b98180e7e81844cf10/telak-0.5.tar.lzma
 11:06 @Larhzu pawelz: That's in an old development version of the new file 
 format. You can decompress it only if you know what *exact* version the 
 development code was used to create the file.
 11:06 @Larhzu pawelz: In other words, someone made a major mistake by using 
 unstable file format.
 (...)
 11:10 @Larhzu They are easy to detect, the first byte is 0xFF.
 
 So it was our mistake, that this version was available in PLD.

major pita...

So... I think we should leave xz in current state.

Old lzma should be placed in supported or so. With binary executable 
name changed (lzma_old_broken_format ?).

even... lzma should be some script that tries to detect format and uses 
proper version.

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Re: packages: util-vserver/util-vserver.spec, util-vserver/TODO (NEW) - move TO...

2009-05-13 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
 On Wednesday 13 May 2009 13:44:38 blues wrote:
   $Log$
  +Revision 1.225  2009/05/13 10:44:33  blues
  +- move TODO to separate file
 why? i liked the otherwise
 
 it's
 1. in spec file, always around when you edit the file
 3. nobody really goes to see what is in TODO, maybe i'm bored and i fix 
 something.
 2. PLD-doc/make-todo.sh scanned SPECS for TODO sections
 4. if there are lots of SOURCES in package (like php for example), catching 
 eye on TODO in `ls` is unlikely.

Because:
- it makes only noise in spec
- nobody goes to see TODO in spec too :)
- it's clean and nice
- TODO can be not only for SPEC
- TODO can be vry long...
- you don't have to catch anything - you know it's there, like spec :D

I think it's better way, easier to parse.

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[geninitrd] LVM tools

2009-04-19 Thread Pawel Golaszewski

[...]
# rpm -ihv kernel-2.6.28.9-1.i686.rpm 
Przygotowywanie...  ### [100%]
   1:kernel ### [100%]
geninitrd: ERROR: Can't determine LVM tools version. Please set LVMTOOLSVERSION 
and rerun geninitrd.
[...]
# rpm -q geninitrd
geninitrd-1.10-2.noarch

After instalation lvm2-initrd everything looks fine but I don't use LVM 
and geninitrd shouldn't force me to install lvm2-initrd, right?

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Re: Th: dropping athlon and maybe deprecating ppc?

2009-03-12 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Radoslaw Zielinski wrote:
  Whatever, but please don't invent some yet again base architecture 
  prefixes (there is %{_target_base_arch} already). Anyway there is no 
  need to use architecture name in %{_libdir} subdirectory (multilib is 
  already handled by different %{_libdir} value).
  Simple: /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/
 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10/ would do.
 [...]
  BTW, Debian doesn't use this part of path at all - just perl version 
  number.
  ...and we should follow that...
 No, we have no obligation to follow Debian about this.

Sure, but this is good thing.

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Re: Th: dropping athlon and maybe deprecating ppc?

2009-03-12 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Radoslaw Zielinski wrote:
  Why not try change it to something less problematic, for whole line: 
  x86-pld-linux-thread-multi, x8664-pld-linux-thread-multi,... or maybe 
  just arch-pld-linux-thread-multi (what about multilib in this 
  moment?)
 -1: it's a major change and I can't see a good reason to warrant it.
 The pain will be much bigger, than the gain [1].
 
   $ perl -le 'map print, @INC' | grep /lib/
   /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-pld-linux-thread-multi
   /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/i686-pld-linux-thread-multi
   /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-pld-linux-thread-multi

We don't have to do it right now but on next bigger perl update? Why not?

 If we touch the first one, we'll screw over everyone who installed
 something using CPAN.pm.

Who cares /usr/local entry? It can stay in that form.

Anyway - can we add more paths to @INC?
It will fix all the problems.

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Re: Th: dropping athlon and maybe deprecating ppc?

2009-03-10 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
 I'm considering dropping athlon architecture since I see no real gain 
 over i686. athlon would be deleted from ftp and athlon-i686 symlink 
 created.

Bad idea this way. It will destroy many systems (look at perl dirs). 
poldek:/all-avail rsearch -f /i686/
Przeszukiwanie pakietów..zrobione.
[...]
367 package(s) found.

Anyway - at least /etc/rpm/platform has to be fixed.

In athlon dir should stay only rpm package which will make all the 
required changes:
- /etc/rpm/platform
- poldek sources fixes
- something with patckages arch-dependant (paths, some hardcoded things).

If we will make some nice way to do arch-switch it will be prepared for 
future moves

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Re: Xorg requires hal daemon

2009-02-21 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Paweł Zuzelski wrote:
   I've installed the newest xorg and it didn't run. I've googled and 
   found that the newest xorg needs hal daemon. 
   http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#Requirements 
   Besides installing a supported driver, both dbus and hal have to be 
   running. Please correct in the spec-files!
  No, it does not require hal daemon. It's just default _configuration_.
 So imo we should add Suggests or %banner. It is a bit confusing that 
 xorg does not work out of the box. There is no error message nor info 
 about hal daemon. Not every user or even developer knows that.

Please, use banners only as the-real-last-resort... These are really 
annoing.

Suggests would be fine in that case, IMO.

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Re: PAE on i686 by default in TH

2009-02-10 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
 Rationale:
 
 * only very old hardware like first Pentium M chips does not support hardware

3 years is very old? Come on...
I have 2 laptops, both are non-PAE... Only the newest one with C2D on 
board is.


Only the Pentium M is problem. Sonoma with PAE was introduced in 
early 2005, but older versions were still on market. Dunno how long 
pre-Sonoma processors were produced (suppose ~1 year).
IMO it's much too early to abbandon support for that processors...

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Re: SPECS: python-psycopg2.spec - Release 3. Killed nonworking mx bcond. Prepar...

2008-12-23 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
  - if distro line bconds (whatever you call it) are allowed on HEAD,
 forbidding it, is like forbidding commits to SPECS module, i'll continue add 
 them if i find it better than making AC-branch,

Ok, but AC-branch must exist in this place.


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Re: xulrunner.spec and ac bcond

2008-12-20 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, wrobell wrote:
   as i know we have ac branch for ac distro line. what's the point of 
   ac bcond in xulrunner.spec?
  I think it's good direction when the difference is only in BR's or 
  some simple configure options. There is no point in branching for so 
  simple things.
 it is messy as you need to look at distro line i 3 ways
 - trunk (no changes)
 - ac branch
 - and now ac bcond

No, there should be always AC branch/tag for last version that s prepared 
for AC.
It's easier to move tag/branch than merge changes.

 and i bet it will kick our asses sooner or later. people will abuse the 
 bcond thing. moreover, it already happens with python-psycopg2.spec to 
 build psycopg with python 2.4. we will end up with mess.

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Re: xulrunner.spec and ac bcond

2008-12-20 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, wrobell wrote:
 so just to state it loud. we do allow distro line bconds like ra, 
 ac, and ti.

yep.
Just not bconds - conditions.

 there shall be no th bconds as it is trunk forever.

Byt default HEAD is for Th. OTher lines can use conditions for simplicity.

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Re: xulrunner.spec and ac bcond

2008-12-19 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, wrobell wrote:
 as i know we have ac branch for ac distro line. what's the point of ac 
 bcond in xulrunner.spec?

I think it's good direction when the difference is only in BR's or some 
simple configure options. There is no point in branching for so simple 
things.

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Re: sshd vs openvpn

2008-10-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
 we had suffered one incident when one server did not came up because 
 openvpn 
 had server certificate which was protected by password and therefore it was 
 waiting for password input and no other service (sshd was crucial) was not 
 brought up until someone pressed enter.
 
 $ l /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*vpn
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-09-02 00:08 /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S11openvpn - 
 /etc/rc.d/init.d/openvpn*
 
  l /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*sshd
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2008-07-28 22:14 /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S55sshd - 
 /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd*
 
 perhaps cchange start priorities so that sshd is started before openvpn?
 then there could be other services that block startup same way?

apache with certificate password protected?

 change sshd to be as early as possible?

Yes, sshd is critical and we should do everything to make it available.

 out of my mind came that sshd should be after random and network 
 initscripts... nothing else should matter... however if you depend sshd 
 being visible also in openvpn device we can't do this...

It could be problem in some configurations.
I.e. all routing daemons should start earlier...

 maybe it would be possible to setup some timeout for openvpn key input 
 and then proceed further if no passphrase was input within that time 
 period?

That kind of thing should be done for _every_ service started. Few days 
ago I had problem with hc-cron which hung while starting. /etc/nologin has 
left and all the users had problems. It's good that root can login apart 
nologin, but the problem stays.

Every service should have some period of time (lets say... 5 minutes). 
After that time it's killed.

 any other toughts?

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Re: SPECS: nrss.spec (NEW) - initial

2008-08-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, uzsolt wrote:
 Author: uzsolt   Date: Mon Aug 18 11:17:11 2008 GMT
 Module: SPECS Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - initial
 
  Files affected:
 SPECS:
nrss.spec (NONE - 1.1)  (NEW)
[...]
 +URL: http://www.codezen.org/nrss

According to that page:
I’ve completed the rename, and put up a new site for Canto, which is the 
renamed NRSS 0.4.0.

nrss should be removed IMO  and canto spec should be created.

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Re: SPECS: kvm.spec - don't require external qemu, doesn't make sense.

2008-07-29 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Kamil Dziedzic wrote:
$Log$
   +Revision 1.41  2008/07/08 21:41:32  blues
   +- don't require external qemu, doesn't make sense.
  why so? the /usr/share part is common, binary from kvm is just 
  patched.
 No response = reverting.

There was response.



Have you tried to build qemu? do it...
Maybe some parts should be in some common subpackage with 
conflict/obsoletes itself but... I don't want to play it...

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Re: Split coreutils?

2008-06-26 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
however i'd had liked the change, that way i could had vserver 
system without any suid-root programs present.
   Feel free to split again and handle all the unhappy devs :)
   how about split, but have strict dep for some time? (this question 
   already was here, but now goal is little different)
  How about Suggests in base coreutils?
 even better, don't have to change it in the future then.

Suggests won't help if you are making automatic upgrade...

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Re: Split coreutils?

2008-06-25 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
  I'd vote for adding Suggests but somewhere else than coreutils (as it 
  re-adds the circular dependency) or adding Requires to rc-scripts (as 
  daemon --user foo uses su).
  All th builders are now broken due to split. su was used there and 
  coreutils upgraded automaticly.
 It's a matter of adding it in the appropriate place, not reverting the 
 change :)

That change is not wrong but causes A LOT of problems

It can't stay in current state because it will spoil a lot of systems with 
very little gain.


IMO there should be added R: coreutils-su in main coreutils and leave it 
for, let's say, 6 months. All current systems will be updated in this 
time, without any problems. After the 6 months that requires could be 
changed into Suggests.

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Re: Split coreutils?

2008-06-25 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  IMO there should be added R: coreutils-su in main coreutils and 
  leave it for, let's say, 6 months. All current systems will be updated 
  in this
 Don't forget about purpose of this separation - it has been done to 
 break R loop, so this way makes no sense.

In short period of time - sure.
But it allows to make smooth change. Current configs won't be broken, with 
new instalation you have to keep in mind that su needs to be installed.

Anyway - now whole discussion is pointless.

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Re: PLD-specs-TODO

2008-05-25 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 23 May 2008, Kamil Dziedzic wrote:
 [pl] Co myślicie o przeniesieniu PLD-doc/PLD-specs-TODO na wiki? Lub o 
 jakiejś integracji z wiki? Każdy wtedy mógłby dodawać propozycje nowych 
 specy, nie tylko deweloperzy. Wiecie, nie każdy użytkownik PLD jest 
 developerem;)

Jeżeli to będzie działało w ten sposób, że na wiki będą pobierane na 
bierząco dane z cvs-u to jasne, jestem jak najbardziej za :)

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Re: tex in pld

2008-05-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 3 May 2008, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  Unmaintained tetex will finally dissapear from ftp... that is why I'm 
  asking what will be lost/broken when replacing tetex with texlive...
 If so - better ask about incompatibilities.

I was thinking about incompatibilities saying broken :)

 I've got dozens of macros, workarounds and other solutions for LaTeX, 
 but some of them may be tetex specific, dunno.

I will take a look how is it made in ubuntu in a few days...
They have livetex...

Anyway - we won't see it if we won't try... :(

  If nothing and one can replace another we could consider putting tetex 
  to (un)supported and texlive to main...
 There were differences even between tetex versions - after transition to
 3.0 I compared dvi files generated by former tetex 2.0 and I've noticed
 different kerning (IMO it got worse).

Well - docs I was generating were better after switch 2-3

I think it depends what are you using...

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Re: tex in pld

2008-05-03 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 3 May 2008, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  What is the difference in functionality? I mean - what will be lost 
  because this is most important...
 Why 'lost'? It's all about creating texlive* packages, not removing
 tetex* ones.

Unmaintained tetex will finally dissapear from ftp... that is why I'm 
asking what will be lost/broken when replacing tetex with texlive...

If nothing and one can replace another we could consider putting tetex to 
(un)supported and texlive to main...

But first of all texlive should appear on ftp at all :D

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Re: SOURCES: lighttpd-mod_staticfile.conf - revert, put this to new pa...

2008-04-27 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, glen wrote:
[...]
 - revert, put this to new package if really needed
[...]
lighttpd-mod_staticfile.conf (1.9 - 1.10) 
[...]
 -# .fcgi, .php, .pl are most often handled by mod_fastcgi or mod_cgi
 -static-file.exclude-extensions = ( .fcgi, .php, .pl )
 +# .pl, .fcgi are most often handled by mod_fastcgi or mod_cgi
 +static-file.exclude-extensions = ( .pl, .fcgi )

What is the rationale for putting it into new package?

If so - fcgi and pl should be as separate package too...

php is the same case as pl or fcgi (I think that cgi and inc should be 
too). It shouldn't be handled as pure static file, no matter if server has 
support for parsing it or not.


Why this way
[...]
Index: SOURCES/lighttpd-mod_cgi_php.conf
diff -u SOURCES/lighttpd-mod_cgi_php.conf:1.3 
SOURCES/lighttpd-mod_cgi_php.conf:1.4
--- SOURCES/lighttpd-mod_cgi_php.conf:1.3   Sun Apr 27 13:41:16 2008
+++ SOURCES/lighttpd-mod_cgi_php.conf   Sun Apr 27 19:11:03 2008
@@ -6,3 +6,5 @@
.php = /usr/bin/php.cgi,
.php4 = /usr/bin/php4.cgi,
 )
+
+static-file.exclude-extensions += (.php)
[...]

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Re: SPECS: libfuse.spec - revert - it creates fuse group...

2008-04-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
  Author: bluesDate: Fri Apr 18 07:43:58 2008 GMT
  Module: SPECS Tag: HEAD
   Log message:
  - revert - it creates fuse group...
[...]
  +Provides:  group(fuse)
[...]
 so why not:
 a) add provides: group(fuse) also to setup

It is.

 b) require setup = ver_with_fuse
 c) let fuse group created/removed by all packages that use it (currently 
 group is really removed if no installed package Provides the group (via 
 %userremove macro)

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Re: [Th] emerald.spec - up to 0.7.4, add missing BuildRequires

2008-04-11 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, kiesiu wrote:
 The only available emerald version on ftp (Th) doesn't want to work well 
 with new compiz in th-test. In attachment I send a patch which upgrades 
 emerald spec file to 0.7.4 version and adds missing BuildRequires. It 
 works well. Please somebody with w+ access add this to CVS and if it's 
 possible send a STBR to th-test.

Well, I think this one should also make commits on it's own

+1

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Re: Package with make-request.sh?

2008-03-18 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Kamil Dziedzic wrote:
  Separate spec
 Really simple and ugly spec. Ugly becouse:
 - I dont know what version it should have (now its revision number)

It's fine.
revision in cvs is for that purpose.

 - I dont know on what license it is

Every spec is GPL. We can assume it's too (there was something about that 
in PLD-docs.

 - Missing requires (R: /usr/sbin/sendmail ?)

Can be easy filled.

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Re: Package with make-request.sh?

2008-03-17 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Kamil Dziedzic wrote:
 What do you think about adding make-request.sh script to rpm-build-tools 
 package or to separate package/spec make-request.spec?

Separate spec

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Re: High Performance Enabled SSH/SCP [PSC]

2008-03-16 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
 http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/faq.php

 let's compile our openssh NONE Cipher support on?
Hm. After upgrade Ac to openssh-4.7p1-3 with HPN putty (windows ssh 
client) can not connect to server. Wrote connection closed. 
Downgrade to 4.7p1-2 helps.
   Yes, I had the same problem on AC. Downgrade helped.
 Which version? 0.60 was reported to support HPN IIRC

No matter - it shouldn't require fixed client version in any way. There is 
often not possible to fix anything on clients... (even some old systems).

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Re: SPECS: wireshark.spec - ghost soname symlinks

2008-01-05 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, qboosh wrote:
 Author: qboosh   Date: Sat Jan  5 15:08:17 2008 GMT
 Module: SPECS Tag: HEAD
  Log message:
 - ghost soname symlinks
[...]
 +%attr(755,root,root) %ghost %{_libdir}/libwireshark.so.0

Shouldn't rpm generate these entries automagically?

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Re: SPECS: wireshark.spec - ghost soname symlinks

2008-01-05 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
  On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, qboosh wrote:
   Author: qboosh   Date: Sat Jan  5 15:08:17 2008 GMT
   Module: SPECS Tag: HEAD
    Log message:
   - ghost soname symlinks
  [...]
   +%attr(755,root,root) %ghost %{_libdir}/libwireshark.so.0
  Shouldn't rpm generate these entries automagically?
 how? i mean how would rpmbuild make the decision that this symlink:
 1. shouild be added automatically to %files
 2. rpmbuild would know this symlink is ldconfig ghost

You have full list of files. After that you can make ldconfig in buildroot 
and you have differences :) only ghost it.

 so far only thing automatic is %find_lang
 you want to introduce %find_ldconfig ? :)

yep, would be nice ;)

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Re: SOURCES: logrotate.conf - do log rotation daily and keep 2 weeks.

2007-12-25 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, Jakub Bogusz wrote:
Author: bluesDate: Mon Dec 24 12:34:17 2007 GMT
Module: SOURCES   Tag: HEAD
 Log message:
- do log rotation daily and keep 2 weeks.
   It's too short period :-(
  First of all - where's rationale for this change?

Few things:
- it's easier to compress 5MB file than 35MB. This is significant on 
  desktops, but on server systems could be too.
- each day is one file. simple.
- many services are producing a lot of logs and that was why glen has 
  started putting different settings to each rotate file. I don't think 
  it's good solution.

I won't fight for that setting but lets talt about them...

  This was PLD default for a long time,

...we should consider changing it :)

   2 months would be great, 1 month is +- ok but 2 weeks it too short.
  And daily is too frequent for ordinary (i.e. using defaults) system.
 Agreed.

And I don't.

 logrotate's default is rotate 4 weekly.

There is many other defaults we don't follow ;)

 Replacing it distribution-wide with significantly different private 
 configuration without strong rationale is not acceptable.

It's not my private config.


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Re: BR-s and R-s policy

2007-09-20 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Marcin Król wrote:
  So is this some kind of policy, to require newest packages possible at
  the time of upping spec?
 It seems so.

no, it's not.

It was done sometimes for things like KDE, gnome, etc to force the updates 
and ensure that libraries will be upgraded.

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Re: vim languages

2007-08-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Mariusz Mazur wrote:
  any comments?
 The basic packages should be 'low reqs' and 'high reqs' (which 
 translates to -- no langs and all langs). Anything in between should be 
 left to ppl directly interested.

All-or-nothing isn't the best choice...
I think that there should be 3 possibilities:
- vim like in current packages we know. It would be nice to keep it.
- vim-tiny (or minimal) - for monks
- vim-full - for those who like all the bells and whistles

 I'm not however sure whether calling it 'vim-lang-all' is the right choice. 
 It 
 sounds kind of counterintuitive. The whole 'vim-lang' also sounds too far 
 fetched -- I seriously doubt anyone's going to actually create 
 those 'vim-langs', so imho it'll be better to call the full version vim-full, 
 vim-loaded, or 'vim-whatever'. (Anyone got any bright ideas?)

Debians choice:
vim - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor
vim-addon-manager - manager of addons for the Vim editor
vim-common - Vi IMproved - Common files
vim-doc - Vi IMproved - HTML documentation
vim-full - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - full fledged version
vim-gnome - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with GNOME2 GUI
vim-gtk - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with GTK2 GUI
vim-gui-common - Vi IMproved - Common GUI files
vim-latexsuite - View, edit and compile LaTeX documents from within vim
vim-lesstif - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with LessTif GUI
vim-perl - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with Perl support
vim-python - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with Python support
vim-ruby - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with Ruby support
vim-runtime - Vi IMproved - Runtime files
vim-scripts - plugins for vim, adding bells and whistles
vim-syntax-gtk - Syntax files to highlight gtk+ keywords in vim
vim-tcl - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with TCL support
vim-tiny - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - compact version
vim-vimoutliner - script for building an outline editor on top of Vim
vimhelp-fr - Vi IMproved - Documentation files (French translation)



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Re: vim languages

2007-08-07 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Mariusz Mazur wrote:
any comments?
   The basic packages should be 'low reqs' and 'high reqs' (which
   translates to -- no langs and all langs). Anything in between should be
   left to ppl directly interested.
 
  All-or-nothing isn't the best choice...
  I think that there should be 3 possibilities:
  - vim like in current packages we know. It would be nice to keep it.
  - vim-tiny (or minimal) - for monks
  - vim-full - for those who like all the bells and whistles
 What's the difference between current vim and vim-full?

AFAIR current vim has only perl enabled by default.
Or only perl was enabled some time ago...

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Re: vim languages

2007-08-06 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, wrobell wrote:
 speaking about ruby/python/tcl/perl support in vim.
 
 i would like to switch off above languages support by default (as it was 
 almost always before, excluding perl for some reasons).
 
 if one needs support for specific language, then please create new 
 subpackage (i.e. vim-python).
 
 the reason is that i doubt that any of us writes scripts in *all* above 
 languages for vim. but if one really needs all of them, then please 
 create vim-lang-all (or something).
 
 any comments?

Only two:
- additional package have to be build from the same spec to have every 
  type of vims in sync. Otherwise all of that will fail.
- please, look at debian. They have something like that...

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Re: [BUG] exclude confuses /usr/lib/rpm/check-files

2007-07-22 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Adam Gołębiowski wrote:
  It seems that /usr/lib/rpm/check-files is confused when in spec is 
  used %exclude. Files excluded aren't shown as unpackaged.
 Should they? I allways thought of unpackaged files as of those which you 
 may have missed - %exclude means you know the file exists but just don't 
 want to package it.

You don't want it in _that_ package where %exclude is specified.  It 
doesn't mean that you don't want to package it at all.

Maybe there should be another tag %ignore when you don't want something 
at all? Now we are deleting files while installing... but I don't think 
it's good solution. Not clean, for sure.

Jeff?

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Re: [BUG] exclude confuses /usr/lib/rpm/check-files

2007-07-22 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Jeff Johnson wrote:
  It seems that /usr/lib/rpm/check-files is confused when in spec is 
  used %exclude. Files excluded aren't shown as unpackaged.
  Should they? I allways thought of unpackaged files as of those which 
  you may have missed - %exclude means you know the file exists but 
  just don't want to package it.
  You don't want it in _that_ package where %exclude is specified.  It 
  doesn't mean that you don't want to package it at all. Maybe there 
  should be another tag %ignore when you don't want something at all? 
  Now we are deleting files while installing... but I don't think it's 
  good solution. Not clean, for sure. Jeff?
 I'm not sure I see the usage case for explicit %ignore. One can 
 certainly enumerate files/directories explicitly in %files, and just 
 delete undesired elements.

We are doing that right now.
But it makes things like --short-circuit difficult to use. And is not 
nice.

 And if ease of packaging is the issue, then pattern rule based content, 
 like, say,
 *.h
 *.a
 *.la
 *.so
 from %{buildroot}, to send files that match pattern always into *-devel
 subpackage.
 
 Replacing external check-files script using a %{buildroot} Fts(3) walk 
 internal to rpm is achievable. The functionality of detecting files that 
 have been overlooked in %files manifests is too important to leave to a 
 script, and an Fts(3) implementation is likely the same order of 
 magnitude of effort as arranging for %{_tmppath} (or %{_tmpdir} ;-) 
 lists to be used by a script, with results sucked and parsed from stdout 
 for display purposes. Likely not the answers you wanted to hear ;-)

The answer like many others. ;)
That one is good too ;)

 But %ignore can be added to rpmbuild if you wish.

Can be very useful.

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[BUG] exclude confuses /usr/lib/rpm/check-files

2007-07-17 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
Hello,

It seems that /usr/lib/rpm/check-files is confused when in spec is used 
%exclude. Files excluded aren't shown as unpackaged.

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Re: make-3.81 in AC

2007-07-05 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Elan Ruusamäe wrote:
 could you explain or copy paste some log? as twittner (yours) request 
 failed, while mine (test and ready) succeeded. and your request as no 
 log at this time
[...]
 42738. 2007.07.04 23:01:42 from twittner 
 60ffabe3-12f1-4d1c-8462-2c480e83e2a6, 2, upgrade
  make-3.81-1.src.rpm (make.spec -R AC-branch ) [ac-i686:OK ac-i586:OK 
 ac-i386:OK ac-athlon:OK ac-alpha:OK ac-sparc:OK ac-amd64:OK ac-ppc:OK]
 ^
 42737. 2007.07.04 22:32:15 from twittner 
 b11b97e0-1e2a-495b-88c0-e0b114b9efaa, 2, test-build
  make-3.81-1.src.rpm (make.spec -R HEAD ) [ac-i686:FAIL ac-i586:FAIL 
 ac-i386:FAIL ac-athlon:FAIL ac-alpha:FAIL ac-sparc:FAIL ac-amd64:FAIL 
 ac-ppc:FAIL]
 

This is the reason.

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Re: SPECS (AC-branch): kernel-vanilla.spec - fix for PPC failing when ...

2007-06-16 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, Marcin Król wrote:
  But it's not vanila now :D
 How about replacing with sed instead of using patch? :) sed was used on 
 makefiles anyway (for extraversion).

vanilla means unmodified. And you are changing that kernel. Doesn't 
matter if it's cosmetics or not. No matter if it's patch or sed.

It's just mine 0,03€ about kernel-vanilla in general :D

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Re: [webapps] PHP files owner

2007-06-12 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Tomasz Pala wrote:
 I was considering a bug in any of shipped webapps. Even though the
 server can be safe_mode enabled

...which will be droped in future php releases :)
safe_mode is considered to be obsolete in PHP.

 there is possibility to read information that should remain 
 confidential, like valuable for spammers users list from passwd. I leave 
 other restrictions out deliberately, as ACLs, open_basedir etc. are not 
 part of our default policy.

I see that you have started implementing open_basedir and I think that we 
should follow this way. Any restrictions, even very wide by default, would 
be nice.

 Currently system-wide package creates bigger threat than any user 
 script, no matter how the environment IS secured (safe_mode, suexec PHP 
 as CGI etc.). Shouldn't we change default root:root owner to some 
 webapps:webapps?

What will it give us? I don't get the point in this moment...

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Re: SOURCES: postgresql-module-plphp-nophp_test.patch - updated for 1.3.3

2007-04-20 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Radoslaw Zielinski wrote:
  Author: bluesDate: Fri Apr 20 14:15:15 2007 GMT
  Module: SOURCES   Tag: HEAD
   Log message:
  - updated for 1.3.3
 [...]
   -# Checks for libraries.
   -AC_CHECK_LIB([php5], [php_module_startup],[], [have_php5=no], 
  [$PHP_LDFLAGS])
 
 This is pointless.  Should be s/php5/php_common/.

I know - it was the first thing I've checked.
But it's pointless too - look at TODO and link there...

I won't bother with that, I don't need it so much :)

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Re: PLD 2.0 (Ac) marked as stable

2007-04-03 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Pawel Golaszewski wrote:
 2. Here should be provides+obsoletes for old names to allow smooth 
upgrade.
 [...]
 STLport-4.6.2-4 zostanie zastąpiony przez STLport-5.1.2-2
 błąd: libstlport_gcc.so.4.6 jest wymagany przez openoffice-1.1.5-2
 błąd: libstlport_gcc.so.4.6 jest wymagany przez openoffice-libs-1.1.5-2
 błąd: libstlport_gcc.so.4.6 jest wymagany przez openoffice-libs-gtk-1.1.5-2
 [...]

Next one:
[...]
błąd: openoffice = 1.0.2 jest wymagany przez openoffice-thesaurus-pl-alt-0.8b-1
[...]

It seems that this thesaurus isn't obsoleted anywhere...

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pine in utf8 ([th] mc utf8)

2007-03-30 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Tomasz Pala wrote:
  Can you try latest mc from Th (2007-03-09-18)?. It looks like 
  something improved in this snapshot.
 mc-4.6.2-0.2007.03.09.18.2
 
 and unfortunatelly the problem still exists.

Apropos...

Please, test on utf console pine
Build --without distributable, with all of the patches.

BTW - maybe someone would like to mail again to pine-developers and gain 
license for distribution...? Of course, if the patches are ok (on my utf 
console it works perfect :) ).

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Re: pine in utf8 ([th] mc utf8)

2007-03-30 Thread Pawel Golaszewski
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Marcin Król wrote:
  BTW - maybe someone would like to mail again to pine-developers and 
  gain license for distribution...? Of course, if the patches are ok (on 
  my utf console it works perfect :) ).
 We are allowed to distribute pine with all versions of PLD with patches 
 that were accepted. Check license file for details.

look at _current_ spec...

I'm asking because there is a lot more patches added...

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