Re: OT: Intellectual property (was: owner_id_build vs. copyprevention_bit)
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:55:33AM +0200, Michael Nordstr?m wrote: In USA you seem to have a long history of passing laws that protects the revenue for some companies; in the rest of the world we usually also take into consideration how we can balance the rights of both sides (i.e. in this case the copyright holders and the users). Governments should not bother preserving outdated business models. -- Guylhem P. Aznar Now *@externe.net ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@metalab.unc.edu-@7un.org-@externe.net) http://externe.net/geekcode http://externe.net/photos GPG: 92EB37C1 DD11C9C9 20519D01 E8FA1B11 42975AF7http://externe.net/pubkey ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
RE: owner_id_build vs. copyprevention_bit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Intellectual property is _property_, just as material objects are. Unfortunately, no. And this is the crux of the problem, in fact. You cannot say that intellectual property is property, just like a house, or a boat, or a car. If so, then that property is subject to taxes and the same levies as real property is. Would you like to have to pay a yearly tax on your music purchases? After all, it's someone else's intellectual property, right? Intellectual property most-certainly is not property like physical property, but that doesn't mean there aren't laws (in the US, at least) that make an attempt at helping you protect it. Redistribution of copyrighted intellectual property with the express permission of the rights holder is _theft_, pure and simple. It's not theft, it's a violation of copyright. Huge difference. Theft, stealing, piracy, etc. by definition have very different meanings. You are depriving the author of due-revenue, but you are by no means guilty of theft. Theft deprives the owner of something. Theft, as with stealing, means you have taken something tangible, leaving nothing in it's place. If I steal your bicycle, there is now the _lack of_ a bicycle, where there used to be one. With electronic media such as ebooks and other formats (mp3, et al), the original is still in place, but there is a digitally-perfect _copy_ in possession, against the copyright and license of the original. This is not theft. You have not deprived the creator or owner of his copy, he still has the original and the ability to make and distribute copies of it for profit. The courts look at this very differently than you'd think. In any case, I'm completely against violating the copyrights of people who have worked hard to provide you something useful. I'm also against the whole Information wants to be free bandwagon (really only exists to try to justify electronic piracy and copyright violation, and yes, I've never yet downloaded a single mp3 or dvd movie from the web, and I actively support the eradication of the (MP|RI)AA corporations). I do, however, believe strongly in sharing information which benefits others, and which benefits the growth and adoption of techology into new industries. This is not the same thing as share everything without cost or attribution. People who do hard work, and provide you with something useful, should be recognized or compensated in some way. Simply taking what they've created without even saying as much as thanks is downright rude and unjust, not to mention a violtion of copyright in some cases. But now we've diverged way off-topic, and probably should continue this off-list. To sum up, adding owner_id to Plucker does not, in any way, restrict what Plucker can do, nor does it turn Plucker into a DRM-only application. Anyone could have added this feature, either by us, or commercially, and used it. The source is available, make the changes you want, or don't. The choice is up to you. d. perldoc -qa.j | perl -lpe '($_)=m((.*))' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.92 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mXnTkRQERnB1rkoRAsVJAJ9kWgdaSnhu4C+f0j/Z05UQRnP2kgCfSbhM G9/1WS691oZILletS1kjuXw= =g8Tl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OT: Intellectual property (was: owner_id_build vs. copyprevention_bit)
Governments should not bother preserving outdated business models. The problem is that our current govenment is the whipping-boy of the monopolistic corporations, who basically feed them pre-paid politicians every year, and the only thing they are preserving is their continued seats in the govenment chair, and their continued intra-venous revenue stream. It's only going to get worse too... d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: owner_id_build vs. copyprevention_bit
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:01:45PM -0400, Dennis McCunney wrote: Shouldn't they be removed altogether? Preveting copy is encouraging DRM. DRM should be flushed down the toilets. Won't happen. There are too many folks who are trying to make a living on intellectual property, and want _some_ way of insuring they get paid for what they do. I write documentation and get paid for that - sometimes. I would not be confortable with making a living of DRM. It may means more money, but in the end it would restrict other people freedom. Instead of work depending on the restriction of freedom, I prefer no work at all or unqualified work. I'm lucky I don't have to take such a decision right now and can pick up the work I like but sorry I do have some ethics. If you take a work you don't like just for the money there's a nice word to describe that - not quite polite however. Ask any author who has books in electronic format how they feel about unrestricted distribtion of their copyrighted work without thier permission. Ask me. I'm fine with that - the businesses may not but it's their job to choose a new business model, not mine. Intellectual property is _property_, just as material objects are. Redistribution of copyrighted intellectual property with the express permission of the rights holder is _theft_, pure and simple. As a member of the GNU project ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have a different opinion. Intellectual property only exists because the founding fathers thought it would help promoting science and knowledge. That's the goal. IP is just a mean to reach that goal. If it can be reached in other ways, with added benefits for the public (such as free redistribution) why should we keep the old schemes?? -- Guylhem P. Aznar Now *@externe.net ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@metalab.unc.edu-@7un.org-@externe.net) http://externe.net/geekcode http://externe.net/photos GPG: 92EB37C1 DD11C9C9 20519D01 E8FA1B11 42975AF7http://externe.net/pubkey ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OT: Intellectual property (was: owner_id_build vs. copyprevention_bit)
Guylhem Aznar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Governments should not bother preserving outdated business models. Consumers should not encourage outdated business models. Go buy some copyleft work today. -- MJR| v ---|--[ Luminas internet applications http://www.luminas.co.uk/ ]-| `--[ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ ]-[ slef at jabber.at ]-' ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
DOC compression and image records
Hi, Is DOC compression on image records actually supported by the Viewer? My DOC compression implementation (in Java) works well on Text records and URL records, I see no errors there. But when I view a DOC-compressed image in the Viewer, I see a disjointed pixel mess that vaguely resembles the original image. *However*, the Viewer does not report any errors (nor does POSE) and does display the image with the correct dimensions. The image just sits there looking weird. How does the Python distiller handle this? When a document is DOC-compressed, does it attempt to apply DOC compression to Image records as well? TBMP data usually does not compress well under DOC compression. Most of the time the DOC-compressed data is larger than the original TBMP bitmap data. In the rare case that it is smaller, the compression ratio is nothing to write home about. Regards -Laurens ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Errors plucking with Plucker_1_2 (20020924)
But then your stuck with 'Do you let it error out because the image is too
big?' or 'Do you assume they would prefer it to work right off and have
them change it if they don't like the results?'
Basicly, IMHO it sould default to something that will increase the chance
that the channel gets plucked. A more advanced user would then turn this
option off if they needed it rather than a less advanced user stumbling
around looking for how to make their images actually show. Simplify if
possible.
--Wes
Bill Janssen said:
self._auto_scale = config.get_bool('auto_scale_images', 0) or
config.get_bool('try_reduce_dimension', 0) or config.get_bool('
try_reduce_bpp', 1)
This change isn't in the current code because the older code didn't work
that way, and I'm not sure it makes sense to automagically alter images
for people.
Bill
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Re: Where did my colors go.... (was: Errors plucking with Plucker_1_2 (20020924))
To build on this, it seems that 1.2 of plucker has yet to incorporate the colors I sent to the list for TextParser.py... :( I lost my code changes too... Now I gotta re-work it... Sigh. My reason for complaining was this error: Pluckerdir is '/export/store0/misc/PluckerOut'... Using proxy '' with authentication for user ''... 0 collected, 1 to do Processing http://tdp-software.no-ip.com:8080/paintball.cgi... Retrieved ok. Error: Unknown error parsing document http://tdp-software.no-ip.com:8080/paintball.cgi: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/Parser.py, line 27, in generic_parser parser = TextParser.StructuredHTMLParser (url, data, headers, config, attributes) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/TextParser.py, line 879, in __init__ self.feed (text) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/sgmllib.py, line 95, in feed self.goahead(0) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/sgmllib.py, line 129, in goahead k = self.parse_starttag(i) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/sgmllib.py, line 290, in parse_starttag self.finish_starttag(tag, attrs) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/sgmllib.py, line 328, in finish_starttag self.handle_starttag(tag, method, attrs) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/TextParser.py, line 969, in handle_starttag sgmllib.SGMLParser.handle_starttag(self, tag, method, attrs) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/sgmllib.py, line 364, in handle_starttag method(attrs) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/TextParser.py, line 1377, in start_font self._doc.set_forecolor (rgb) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/TextParser.py, line 492, in set_forecolor if string.atoi(rgb, 16) == 0xFF: File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/string.py, line 217, in atoi return _int(s, base) ValueError: invalid literal for int(): darkblue Parsing failed. all 0 pages retrieved and parsed Writing out collected data... Writing document 'PaintBall Cousins' to file /export/store0/misc/PluckerOut/PaintBallCousins.pdb Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/bin/plucker-build, line 1496, in ? sys.exit(realmain()) File /usr/local/bin/plucker-build, line 1489, in realmain retval = main (config, exclusion_lists) File /usr/local/bin/plucker-build, line 1025, in main mapping = writer.write (verbose=verbosity, alias_list=alias_list) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/Writer.py, line 518, in write result = Writer.write (self, verbose, alias_list=alias_list) File /usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PyPlucker/Writer.py, line 337, in write raise RuntimeError(The collection process failed to generate a 'home' document) RuntimeError: The collection process failed to generate a 'home' document Subject: Re: Color codes give errors... tdp4 wrote: Here is a page that says they have the complete list... http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colornames.asp --Wes Original Message- On Thu, 16 May 2002 16:31:28 +0100, Robert O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : ValueError: invalid literal for atoi(): darkblue : : :I don't remember darkblue being supported. The original :color table from color support had :these core named colors: :Black00 :Silver C0C0C0 :Gray 808080 :Maroon 80 :Red FF :Purple 800080 :Green008000 :Lime 00FF00 :Olive808000 :Yellow 00 :Navy 80 :Blue FF :Teal 008080 :Aqua 00 :But I don't know if added more named colors when moved :to hash table lookup (and for some :reason can't get through to CVS today to check). Does :the parser still crash if you download :the page, and do a find and replace of darkblue to :blue? If so, then perhaps just a matter :of having ensuring a fallthrough case works in the :named color lookup. : : :Best wishes, :Robert ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Where did my colors go.... (was: Errors plucking with Plucker_1_2 (20020924))
Here are the lines:
## the following is the default set of colornames understood by HTML
Colornames = {
'black': 00,
'silver': C0C0C0,
'gray':808080,
'white': FF,
'maroon': 80,
'red': FF,
'purple': 800080,
'fuchsia': FF00FF,
'green': 008000,
'lime':00FF00,
'olive': 808000,
'yellow': 00,
'navy':80,
'blue':FF,
'teal':008080,
'aqua':00,
'aliceblue':#F0F8FF,
'antiquewhite': #FAEBD7,
'aqua': #00,
'aquamarine': #7FFFD4,
'azure':#F0,
'beige':#F5F5DC,
'bisque': #FFE4C4,
'black':#00,
'blanchedalmond': #FFEBCD,
'blue': #FF,
'blueviolet': #8A2BE2,
'brown':#A52A2A,
'burlywood':#DEB887,
'cadetblue':#5F9EA0,
'chartreuse': #7FFF00,
'chocolate':#D2691E,
'coral':#FF7F50,
'cornflowerblue': #6495ED,
'cornsilk': #FFF8DC,
'crimson': #DC143C,
'cyan': #00,
'darkblue': #8B,
'darkcyan': #008B8B,
'darkgoldenrod':#B8860B,
'darkgray': #A9A9A9,
'darkgreen':#006400,
'darkkhaki':#BDB76B,
'darkmagenta': #8B008B,
'darkolivegreen': #556B2F,
'darkorange': #FF8C00,
'darkorchid': #9932CC,
'darkred': #8B,
'darksalmon': #E9967A,
'darkseagreen': #8FBC8F,
'darkslateblue':#483D8B,
'darkslategray':#2F4F4F,
'darkturquoise':#00CED1,
'darkviolet': #9400D3,
'deeppink': #FF1493,
'deepskyblue': #00BFFF,
'dimgray': #696969,
'dodgerblue': #1E90FF,
'feldspar': #D19275,
'firebrick':#B2,
'floralwhite': #FFFAF0,
'forestgreen': #228B22,
'fuchsia': #FF00FF,
'gainsboro':#DCDCDC,
'ghostwhite': #F8F8FF,
'gold': #FFD700,
'goldenrod':#DAA520,
'gray': #808080,
'green':#008000,
'greenyellow': #ADFF2F,
'honeydew': #F0FFF0,
'hotpink': #FF69B4,
'indianred':#CD5C5C,
'indigo': #4B0082,
'ivory':#F0,
'khaki':#F0E68C,
'lavender': #E6E6FA,
'lavenderblush':#FFF0F5,
'lawngreen':#7CFC00,
'lemonchiffon': #FFFACD,
'lightblue':#ADD8E6,
'lightcoral': #F08080,
'lightcyan':#E0,
'lightgoldenrodyellow': #FAFAD2,
'lightgrey':#D3D3D3,
'lightgreen': #90EE90,
'lightpink':#FFB6C1,
'lightsalmon': #FFA07A,
'lightseagreen':#20B2AA,
'lightskyblue': #87CEFA,
'lightslateblue': #8470FF,
'lightslategray': #778899,
'lightsteelblue': #B0C4DE,
'lightyellow': #E0,
'lime': #00FF00,
'limegreen':#32CD32,
'linen':#FAF0E6,
'magenta': #FF00FF,
'maroon': #80,
'mediumaquamarine': #66CDAA,
'mediumblue': #CD,
'mediumorchid': #BA55D3,
'mediumpurple': #9370D8,
'mediumseagreen': #3CB371,
'mediumslateblue': #7B68EE,
'mediumspringgreen':#00FA9A,
'mediumturquoise': #48D1CC,
'mediumvioletred': #C71585,
'midnightblue': #191970,
'mintcream':#F5FFFA,
'mistyrose':#FFE4E1,
'moccasin': #FFE4B5,
'navajowhite': #FFDEAD,
'navy': #80,
'oldlace': #FDF5E6,
'olive':#808000,
'olivedrab':#6B8E23,
'orange': #FFA500,
'orangered':#FF4500,
'orchid': #DA70D6,
'palegoldenrod':#EEE8AA,
'palegreen':#98FB98,
'paleturquoise':#AF,
'palevioletred':#D87093,
'papayawhip':
RE: Where did my colors go.... (was: Errors plucking with Plucker_1_2 (20020924))
Here is a page that says they have the complete list... http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colornames.asp To build on this, it seems that 1.2 of plucker has yet to incorporate the colors I sent to the list for TextParser.py... :( From the page you gave: Note: Color names are not supported by the W3C standards. If you want to write correct HTML you should use the Color HEX values. However, throwing an exception is kind of nasty. Fortunately, revision 1.41 (as of Fri Sep 20 02:58:44 2002) contains code that will catch the exception, and ignore the bad colour. My vote is to leave out the huge table of non-standard colours, if anyone's counting votes. Later, Blake. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
library jogdial behavior
Question, (Mostly directed to either Matto or Mike, but anyone's input is welcome:)... Which would you prefer for how sony jogdial reacts in libraryform.c? When a user highlights an entry using the jogdial, and quickly presses and releases it, the popup list appears. If the user holds down the jogdial then releases, the document opens right away. or.. The opposite. If a user quickly presses/releases, the document opens. If a user presses and holds.. the popup list appears. I'm impartial to either option, and cannot decide. I don't think that this needs to be 'customizable' by the user. I'm not sure what the sony UI standards stipulate. -- Adam McDaniel Array.org Calgary, AB, Canada msg03470/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Where did my colors go.... (was: Errors plucking with Plucker_1_2(20020924))
Here is a page that says they have the complete list... http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colornames.asp To build on this, it seems that 1.2 of plucker has yet to incorporate the colors I sent to the list for TextParser.py... :( I asked this same question on 7-9-02. Here was the answer; http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortconfig=plucker-dev_rubberchicken_orgrestrict=exclude=words=color+parsin ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: library jogdial behavior
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002, Adam McDaniel wrote: Which would you prefer for how sony jogdial reacts in libraryform.c? The opposite. If a user quickly presses/releases, the document opens. If a user presses and holds.. the popup list appears. This one seems to make most sense since that's how it would have to work when using the stylus, i.e. tap and hold will display a popup while a simple tap on the document will open it. /Mike ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: DOC compression and image records
How does the Python distiller handle this? When a document is DOC-compressed, does it attempt to apply DOC compression to Image records as well? Yes. Bill ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Version 1.41 (was: Where did my colors go....)
Does it have a default color to use if the color 'name' is not found? It ignores the color spec, if a non-standard name is used. Bill ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: DOC compression and image records
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002, Laurens M. Fridael wrote: Is DOC compression on image records actually supported by the Viewer? Yes. The image handling works with uncompressed image data, so the compression method doesn't matter. /Mike ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: library jogdial behavior
On 2002.10.2, at 05:26 AM, Michael Nordström wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2002, Adam McDaniel wrote: Which would you prefer for how sony jogdial reacts in libraryform.c? The opposite. If a user quickly presses/releases, the document opens. If a user presses and holds.. the popup list appears. This one seems to make most sense since that's how it would have to work when using the stylus, i.e. tap and hold will display a popup while a simple tap on the document will open it. I agree. It is also natural for macintosh and mozilla users. :-) ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
