Re: [PLUG] ... Re5: Networking & HP-Printer Probs ...; Thanks Much, Wes !!!

[wes]

that printer was originally a business-class machine intended for use in
corporate offices, administered by IT professionals. the interface is nigh
inconceivable to one who doesn't think like that. just see my video - even
by following that, it's really tough to get it right. even I screwed it up
the first time in the video, and that was after practicing several times
before recording.

we were able to get on a video call via google hangouts, and I could see
the printer's screen and controls and talk him through the myriad button
presses to get all the network numbers set right. IP, subnet mask, gateway.

it pretty much worked right away at that point.

-wes

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Michael Rasmussen 
wrote:

> Wait! Wait!
> What was the bit of magic he was able to show?
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 06:56:06PM -0800, Charles wrote:
> > Wes;
> >
> > I want to sing your praises publicly
> > for the great assistance you gave to me today,
> > in getting my HP-4100 printer to
> > talk thru my network with my laptop.
> >
> > The existence of good people like you
> > & others here with PLUG
> > help me to feel confident, that,
> > this world really can be a beautiful place.
> >
> > Thanks again, Wes.
> >
> > Charles Stewart.
> > Sandy Oregon.
> >
> >
> >
> > ~
> > On 11/28/2015 10:09 PM, wes wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Charles  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/28/2015 05:38 PM, wes wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Google-chat might already be set-up on my HTC-1
> cell-phone.
> > >  An ex-house-mate set my phone up with extensive google
> > > programs.
> > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/104223789927624641382/posts
> > >
> > >  And i also have a facebook account, here:
> > > https://www.facebook.com/CharlesStewart4
> > >
> > > if you can locate an app on your phone named "Hangouts" that
> may
> > > be all
> > > we need.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have "Hangouts" installed on my phone.
> > >
> > > you can add me as a contact (w...@the-wes.com
> > > )
> > > or give me your google addressso I can add you.
> > >
> > >
> > > My google email-address is
> > > charlesnl...@gmail.com 
> > >
> > > another address connected there-to, is
> > > char...@constitutionalgov.us 
> > >
> > > Some related data from my google-page reads as:
> > >
> > > "Other phones
> > > (503) 482-9145 
> > > Used for: Google Voice, Hangouts"
> > >
> > > I contacting you at
> > > w...@the-wes.com 
> > >
> > >
> > > well, I hope you intended to blast your personal contact info across
> the
> > > internet. it's out there now, no going back.
> > >
> > > I get an error saying
> > > "you are offline."
> > >
> > > my phone seems set by default to connect thru my network;
> > > but, some-how, it cant connect to my network.
> > >
> > > I just called a friend on my regular "Ting" account,
> > > & so norman cell-tower connections seem working.
> > >
> > > When it is trying to connect thru my network,
> > > it tries for "ip 192.168.0.1"
> > > (if that is of any help).
> > >
> > >
> > > you may want to consider turning off wi-fi so it connects through the
> > > cell towers, if you have a data plan and don't mind using it for this.
> > > getting Hangouts to connect is a pre-requisite for this to work.
> > >
> > > -wes
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Re: [PLUG] ... Re5: Networking & HP-Printer Probs ...; Thanks Much, Wes !!!

[Michael Rasmussen]

Wait! Wait! 
What was the bit of magic he was able to show?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 06:56:06PM -0800, Charles wrote:
> Wes;
> 
> I want to sing your praises publicly
> for the great assistance you gave to me today,
> in getting my HP-4100 printer to
> talk thru my network with my laptop.
> 
> The existence of good people like you
> & others here with PLUG
> help me to feel confident, that,
> this world really can be a beautiful place.
> 
> Thanks again, Wes.
> 
> Charles Stewart.
> Sandy Oregon.
> 
> 
> 
> ~
> On 11/28/2015 10:09 PM, wes wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Charles  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 11/28/2015 05:38 PM, wes wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Google-chat might already be set-up on my HTC-1 cell-phone.
> >  An ex-house-mate set my phone up with extensive google
> > programs.
> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/104223789927624641382/posts
> >
> >  And i also have a facebook account, here:
> > https://www.facebook.com/CharlesStewart4
> >
> > if you can locate an app on your phone named "Hangouts" that may
> > be all
> > we need.
> >
> >
> > I have "Hangouts" installed on my phone.
> >
> > you can add me as a contact (w...@the-wes.com
> > )
> > or give me your google addressso I can add you.
> >
> >
> > My google email-address is
> > charlesnl...@gmail.com 
> >
> > another address connected there-to, is
> > char...@constitutionalgov.us 
> >
> > Some related data from my google-page reads as:
> >
> > "Other phones
> > (503) 482-9145 
> > Used for: Google Voice, Hangouts"
> >
> > I contacting you at
> > w...@the-wes.com 
> >
> >
> > well, I hope you intended to blast your personal contact info across the
> > internet. it's out there now, no going back.
> >
> > I get an error saying
> > "you are offline."
> >
> > my phone seems set by default to connect thru my network;
> > but, some-how, it cant connect to my network.
> >
> > I just called a friend on my regular "Ting" account,
> > & so norman cell-tower connections seem working.
> >
> > When it is trying to connect thru my network,
> > it tries for "ip 192.168.0.1"
> > (if that is of any help).
> >
> >
> > you may want to consider turning off wi-fi so it connects through the
> > cell towers, if you have a data plan and don't mind using it for this.
> > getting Hangouts to connect is a pre-requisite for this to work.
> >
> > -wes
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[PLUG] ... Re5: Networking & HP-Printer Probs ...; Thanks Much, Wes !!!

[Charles]

Wes;

I want to sing your praises publicly
for the great assistance you gave to me today,
in getting my HP-4100 printer to
talk thru my network with my laptop.

The existence of good people like you
& others here with PLUG
help me to feel confident, that,
this world really can be a beautiful place.

Thanks again, Wes.

Charles Stewart.
Sandy Oregon.



~
On 11/28/2015 10:09 PM, wes wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Charles  > wrote:
>
> On 11/28/2015 05:38 PM, wes wrote:
>
>
>  Google-chat might already be set-up on my HTC-1 cell-phone.
>  An ex-house-mate set my phone up with extensive google
> programs.
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104223789927624641382/posts
>
>  And i also have a facebook account, here:
> https://www.facebook.com/CharlesStewart4
>
> if you can locate an app on your phone named "Hangouts" that may
> be all
> we need.
>
>
> I have "Hangouts" installed on my phone.
>
> you can add me as a contact (w...@the-wes.com
> )
> or give me your google addressso I can add you.
>
>
> My google email-address is
> charlesnl...@gmail.com 
>
> another address connected there-to, is
> char...@constitutionalgov.us 
>
> Some related data from my google-page reads as:
>
> "Other phones
> (503) 482-9145 
> Used for: Google Voice, Hangouts"
>
> I contacting you at
> w...@the-wes.com 
>
>
> well, I hope you intended to blast your personal contact info across the
> internet. it's out there now, no going back.
>
> I get an error saying
> "you are offline."
>
> my phone seems set by default to connect thru my network;
> but, some-how, it cant connect to my network.
>
> I just called a friend on my regular "Ting" account,
> & so norman cell-tower connections seem working.
>
> When it is trying to connect thru my network,
> it tries for "ip 192.168.0.1"
> (if that is of any help).
>
>
> you may want to consider turning off wi-fi so it connects through the
> cell towers, if you have a data plan and don't mind using it for this.
> getting Hangouts to connect is a pre-requisite for this to work.
>
> -wes
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Re: [PLUG] Video-Connecting for Tech-Support ... (Re4: Networking & HP-Printer Probs ...)

[Charles]

On 11/29/2015 01:30 PM, wes wrote:
>
> perhaps you can try to contact me, at:
> charlesnl...@gmail.com ?
>
> ok, I have sent you an invitation.

i checked my gmail account,
& i did not see anything from you there.

I looked from both my laptop & my cell-phone.

I need to step out for a few hours here,
but a lot of this might be easier if we
planned on just establishing a voice-connection
thru my land-line.

I believe my inability to
get my cell-phone connected to you thru hangouts
would be much improved, if
you could verbally walk me thru the necessary steps.

My best number for that would be.
503-482-0887

And, if you share your number, i can call you.

cz ...

> -wes
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Re: [PLUG] Xfinity cable modem suggestions?

[Russ Johnson]

> On Nov 26, 2015, at 14:44, Neal  wrote:
> 
> Think of cable modems as being hooked to a hub whereas xDSL modems are
> connected to a switch. The local loop is shared among several/many cable
> modems but a xDSL modem goes directly to the ISP. Of course from there on
> they're all sharing the big internet pipe to the internet proper.

Well, sort of. The Cable companies have gotten better about isolating their 
customers from each other, but they do all share the same pipe back to the head 
end, usually at the cable office. 

A DSL line is only individual from the house to the CO. Once it gets there, it 
enters a concentrator, called a DSLAM, where it joins all the rest of the 
traffic. It could go to any number of places from there. If you DSL provider is 
not your ISP, it may go out onto the Internet before reaching your ISP. I had 
that arrangement in Aloha for a while. 

Everyone was putting down Cable because it shared the pipe from the house to 
the concentrator, but there's a bunch more bandwidth available over cable, 
since the signal is more closely related to radio over that pipe, where on DSL, 
it's closer to Ethernet and you can't mix signals on different frequencies. 

-Russ
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Re: [PLUG] Video-Connecting for Tech-Support ... (Re4: Networking & HP-Printer Probs ...)

[wes]

>
>
>
> perhaps you can try to contact me, at:
> charlesnl...@gmail.com ?


ok, I have sent you an invitation.

-wes
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Re: [PLUG] Video-Connecting for Tech-Support ... (Re4: Networking & HP-Printer Probs ...)

[Charles]

On 11/28/2015 10:09 PM, wes wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Charles  wrote:
> On 11/28/2015 05:38 PM, wes wrote:
>
>  Google-chat might already be set-up on my HTC-1 cell-phone.
>  An ex-house-mate set my phone up with extensive google
> programs.
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104223789927624641382/posts
>
>  And i also have a facebook account, here:
> https://www.facebook.com/CharlesStewart4
>
> if you can locate an app on your phone named "Hangouts" that may
> be all we need.
>
>
> I have "Hangouts" installed on my phone.
>
> you can add me as a contact (w...@the-wes.com)
> or give me your google addressso I can add you.
>
>
> My google email-address is
> charlesnl...@gmail.com
>
> another address connected there-to, is
> char...@constitutionalgov.us
>
> Some related data from my google-page reads as:
>
> "Other phones
> (503) 482-9145
> Used for: Google Voice, Hangouts"
>
> I (tried) contacting you at
> w...@the-wes.com
>
> well, I hope you intended to blast your personal contact info across the
> internet. it's out there now, no going back.

i am a very "open person".
i believe such is necessary
in order for me to promote social-justice.

> I get an error saying
> "you are offline."
>
> my phone seems set by default to connect thru my network;
> but, some-how, it cant connect to my network.
>
> I just called a friend on my regular "Ting" account,
> & so norman cell-tower connections seem working.
>
> When it is trying to connect thru my network,
> it tries for "ip 192.168.0.1"
> (if that is of any help).
>
>
> you may want to consider turning off wi-fi so it connects through the
> cell towers, if you have a data plan and don't mind using it for this.

I did not realize that just turning-off wi-fi
would cause the machine to seek the cell-towers.

i have now turned-off wi-fi.

i entered your email-address "w...@the-wes.com"
in my google hang-outs program;
but google does not seem to let me save it,
or to try to voice or video call you.

perhaps you can try to contact me, at:
charlesnl...@gmail.com ?

> getting Hangouts to connect is a pre-requisite for this to work.

Yes; i comprehend that now.

cz ...



> -wes
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Re: [PLUG] systemd

[Denis Heidtmann]

To me, an uninformed and basically ignorant Linux user, this exchange
appears to be an argument (sometimes nasty) between two philosophers.
Because, as is the case in all philosophical arguments, the vocabulary is
esoteric I cannot profit from reading the dialog.  Not to say that my lack
of understanding is typical of other readers.

Are there any readers of this discussion having a suitable pedagogical bent
willing to present the issues to those needing education?

-Denis

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 2:03 PM, benjamin barber 
wrote:

> The overuse of metaphors and lack of specificity is used to make truisms
> appear to be insightful. As i understand there are several init systems
> that were able to 'fix' what was wrong with SysV init. However what is not
> made readily apparent is an init system needs encompass gobbling up network
> configuration, user logins, the shell, and standard error. It also seems
> reasonable to suspect that this exposes a large attack surface, which could
> render the malicious code nearly opaque to inspection from outside. This is
> the same sort of design philosphy which lead to the issues in windows with
> privilege escalation to begin with. Furthermore we saw the same thing
> happen to pulseaudio, where it became and still is a giant mess (i have to
> run pulseaudio -k several times daily for bluetooth), which was foisted on
> the community haphazardly.
>
> http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0//
>
> Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for
> real-world service management, a technical treatise
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM,  wrote:
> >
> > I disagree.  I thought Keith's comments were insightful and echo a lot of
> my concerns and experiences with systemd. IMHO, distributions are far too
> cavalier about introducing fundamental changes that end up breaking stuff.
> >
> > [top-posting against my better judgment]
> >
> > --
> > David Fleck
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "benjamin barber" 
> > To: "Keith Lofstrom" , "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <
> plug@lists.pdxlinux.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:27:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] systemd
> >
> > This is filled with platitudes, but doesn't address any of the
> > substantitive questions.
> >
> > For example, is it wise to have an init system also control su as well as
> > DHCPd. ?
> >
> > also, are we transitioning from gnu-linux to lennartix by ditching the
> unix
> > philosophy ?
> >
> > quite frankly this seems like the typical practice of embrace - extend -
> > extinguish.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Keith Lofstrom 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Like many recent linux changes, systemd solves a lot of problems
> > > compared to the kluges that it replaces, but it was not deployed
> > > with other people and existing infrastructure in mind.  So, the
> > > burden of adapting to such changes is foisted on the rest of us.
> > >
> > > While glittery shiny first impressions are nice, pain rules
> > > our long term reaction to new things.  A distro that is easy
> > > 90% of the time and ridiculously difficult 10% of the time is
> > > less likely to endure than something that is 30% easy and 1%
> > > difficult.  Change is never easy, and migration is difficult.
> > >
> > > For me, a computer is a structure that I embellish with my own
> > > data, procedures, adaptions, and improvements.  Changing the
> > > structure means I must translate all of that, without help.
> > >
> > > It's like replacing the wooden beams of my house with carbon
> > > fiber.  That might help in an earthquake, but the cost of
> > > the transition would be more devastating than an earthquake.
> > > Instead, I added kludges and retrofits to achieve the same
> > > earthquake protection.  Build new houses with carbon fiber if
> > > you wish, but don't abandon the installed base that is better
> > > improved than replaced.  If you must change house structure,
> > > make your carbon fiber install cheap and painless.
> > >
> > > We invest in our computers, and change invalidates many of our
> > > investments.  If those who wish to impose these changes had
> > > to pay the full cost of their decisions, and help us recoup
> > > our lost investments, they would make different decisions,
> > > and provide tools that facilitate change and adaption.
> > >
> > > This is an opportunity hiding in a problem, for sane profit-
> > > seeking entrepreneurs (if there are any left in our community).
> > > Focusing on the needs of humans, rather than the needs of the
> > > machines.  Modelling change against the entire installed base,
> > > instead of a couple dozen configurations favored by developers.
> > >
> > > At a guess, linux designed for low cost mass deployment and long
> > > term stability might make new development five times harder for
> > > developers, almost cost-free for customers, and thus 100x cheaper
> > > overall, assuming millions of customers willing to pay a little
> > > somethi