Re: [PLUG] Censorship... -> PLUG vs. POSUG
On 9/12/11 2:54 PM, Russell Johnson wrote: > I don't think anyone is advocating changing anything with the meetings, > although I myself have only been to one… C'mon down! > I think we can all agree that while defining what is off topic can be > difficult, most of us know it when we see it. Agreed. This actually applies to meetings to: any organizer must screen presentations for sales pitches but fortunately sales pitches can have great technical information. It's a fine line and exactly like you said, you know it when you see it. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship... -> PLUG vs. POSUG
Michael, Don't pull any speakers. I don't really think anyone is advocating any changes from the current system where we occasionally have speakers on non-Linux, non-Unix Open Source related topics. Indeed, this may become even more frequent in the future as Linux and the BSDs and other Unix OSs become more ubiquitous and are simply taken for granted. David Mandel On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 9/8/11 9:53 PM, Russell Johnson wrote: >>> This is PLUG (Portland Linux Users Group), not POSUG (Portland Open >>> Source Users Group). >> Bill, Strictly speaking, it's "Portland Linux/Unix Group". >> re:http://www.pdxlinux.org/ > > I saw this just after posting a PLUG AT meeting announcement about web > serving... which could theoretically get into non-FLOSS technologies! > > Shall I pull it? I just learned of Ted's unavailability and consider it > too late for another speaker. > > Should I pull the proposed topic for being too off-topic for PLUG? > > I trust it to be implied that I am discussing serving in a POSIX > Linux/BSD environment but it's borderline none the less. > > And what of networking topics? Where would the community prefer David > and I draw the line? > > Some have pointed out that the DevOps meeting might be more appropriate > for these. I really should attend one... > > Are people okay with "PLUG meetings feature the interesting speakers > that David and Michael can find"? > > Does anyone want to join in the speaker hunt to help keep things on-topic? > > Michael > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship... -> PLUG vs. POSUG
On Sep 12, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > I saw this just after posting a PLUG AT meeting announcement about web > serving... which could theoretically get into non-FLOSS technologies! > I don't think anyone is advocating changing anything with the meetings, although I myself have only been to one… I think we can all agree that while defining what is off topic can be difficult, most of us know it when we see it. Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship... -> PLUG vs. POSUG
On 9/8/11 9:53 PM, Russell Johnson wrote: >> This is PLUG (Portland Linux Users Group), not POSUG (Portland Open >> Source Users Group). > Bill, Strictly speaking, it's "Portland Linux/Unix Group". > re:http://www.pdxlinux.org/ I saw this just after posting a PLUG AT meeting announcement about web serving... which could theoretically get into non-FLOSS technologies! Shall I pull it? I just learned of Ted's unavailability and consider it too late for another speaker. Should I pull the proposed topic for being too off-topic for PLUG? I trust it to be implied that I am discussing serving in a POSIX Linux/BSD environment but it's borderline none the less. And what of networking topics? Where would the community prefer David and I draw the line? Some have pointed out that the DevOps meeting might be more appropriate for these. I really should attend one... Are people okay with "PLUG meetings feature the interesting speakers that David and Michael can find"? Does anyone want to join in the speaker hunt to help keep things on-topic? Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship...
Just to clarify things; PLUG does stand for the Portland Linux/Unix Group and we do occasionally delve into Open Source topics that have little to do with either Linux or Unix. On the other hand, this is being sent simply to clarify the role and mission of PLUG, and isn't meant as a statement about this particular thread in the mailing list. Sincerely, David Mandel Chief Activist Portland Linux/Unix Group 560 SE Alexander Corvallis, Oregon 97333 (541) 752-3769 land (541) 730-5285 cell On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Russell Johnson wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Bill Ensley wrote: > >> This is PLUG (Portland Linux Users Group), not POSUG (Portland Open >> Source Users Group). > > Bill, Strictly speaking, it's "Portland Linux/Unix Group". re: > http://www.pdxlinux.org/ > > Russell Johnson > r...@dimstar.net > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship...
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 06:21:11PM -0700, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Sorry folks, that was a private email. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship...
On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Bill Ensley wrote: > This is PLUG (Portland Linux Users Group), not POSUG (Portland Open > Source Users Group). Bill, Strictly speaking, it's "Portland Linux/Unix Group". re: http://www.pdxlinux.org/ Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship...
I don't write poorly, it's easy enough to use evolution's spell checker and I'm pretty decent at spelling anyways. As far as grammar, nobody is perfect. Define arcane, I try my best to write clear questions. How do you know I haven't tried to find the answer first on my own? I'm not abusive and it is disingenuous to take what I write as an insult. What mean things do I say about other people? I tried to point out difficulties I'm having with another open source community, and people started attacking me for that. I have facts to back up what I'm saying. I don't take lightly criticizing another open source community. What does you don't act as a plug member mean? That is a vague accusation. I never try to help others? Maybe I don't have the answer they need where making something up is far worse than not saying anything at all. > > Never mind that my questions > > about Postfix, Asterisk, and overscan correction are getting ignored. > > No, they aren't. Unanswered != ignored. > Folks don't want to answer your questions because: > * they're poorly written, > * they're usually arcane, > * you don't try to find the answer first, > * you insult and abuse people when they try to help you, > * you say mean things about other people, > * you don't act as a PLUG member, > * you basically never offer help to others. > These are all things that can changed. Short of me uploading a music file that is a recording of me whining, it isn't possible to whine in an email. Furthermore, calling an excerpt of what someone actually wrote drama isn't accurate. Life is dramatic sometimes and you can say, "sorry that's dramatic go away," or you can take a look and see if there is some way you can help. As far as they exist because God put them there, are you saying that we don't necessarily have a purpose? I'd say we all have a purpose and that part of life is asking questions to try to discover and fulfill that purpose. As far as saying that I view the people on this list as slaves, that is an objective judgment call you are making and nothing more. I don't. Furthermore, some questions should be asked even though Google can generate some kind of answer because Google isn't always right. There is a lot of misinformation on the Net and a lot of just old information that gets in the way. Linux is not static after all and probably nobody can completely catch up. > That might be. Guess what, people don't exist to serve your whims, listen > to you whine or play to your sense of drama. They exist for the same > reason you do, because God put 'em there. What is a Linux mailing list worth if nobody asks questions for fear they will be branded the questioner and asked to leave? People who are knowledgeable are hopefully happy to answer questions, especially well asked ones. I attempt to ask reasonable questions, how impolite for someone to suggest otherwise. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship...
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Michael C. Robinson wrote: > There are people here, you know who you are, who are behaving no > better than those in the ReactOS community who are threatening me. +--+ |PLEASE| | DO NOT FEED | | THE TROLLS | |--The Mgt.| +--++--+ || o o o ||* ,,\|/,,,||,,,/,,, ---+-- -- Paul Heinlein <> heinl...@madboa.com <> http://www.madboa.com/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Censorship...
Michael, I am interested in many things computer, so please hear this from someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight. This is PLUG (Portland Linux Users Group), not POSUG (Portland Open Source Users Group). This list is for Linux related topics. Please note the period at the end of the sentence. You have been asked by moderators higher than me many times to back off of anything ReactOS related on this site. No one here has ever wanted to talk to you about ReactOS, so I don't see why you would think that someone has magically shown up who does. When people continue to receive email regarding topics that they have opted out of, the natural and really only option is to blacklist that content/mailer, why would you expect otherwise? Please keep this in mind. If anyone here wants to talk about ReactOS, they will join those forums. Thank you, -Bill Ensley www.bearprinting.com > What is with people who are censoring what I say about ReactOS? I > certainly won't go to the ReactOS forums because I am being threatened > there. I thought an open source community that functions would be a > reasonable forum to discuss one that doesn't. I guess I was wrong. > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Censorship...
I'm threatened with a lawsuit by an open source project moderator/developer and mostly what I get posting the threat on this list is discussion about how to censor me. Never mind that my questions about Postfix, Asterisk, and overscan correction are getting ignored. What is with people who are censoring what I say about ReactOS? I certainly won't go to the ReactOS forums because I am being threatened there. I thought an open source community that functions would be a reasonable forum to discuss one that doesn't. I guess I was wrong. There are people here, you know who you are, who are behaving no better than those in the ReactOS community who are threatening me. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
