Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses
On Sun, 6 Dec 2015, Richard Owlett wrote: >> put the output of sudo fdisk -l in your query. > > I'd seen "fdisk", but never used it. 'man fdisk' is quite helpful. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses
On 12/5/2015 2:13 PM, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/2015 9:20 AM, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
>>> I think you should add more detail. Show your partition tables, show the
>>> commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
>>> thing happened.
>>
>> I think you have me moving in a productive {possibly not "*THE*
>> right"} direction.
>>
> You don't want to go in the productive direction?
Maybe I should have said "optimal" instead of "right".
>
>> "Show your partition tables" lead to reading up on fdisk.
>>
> put the output of sudo fdisk -l in your query.
I'd seen "fdisk", but never used it.
>
>> I don't know to "show the commands you used to install" as was
>> responding to prompts from the installer.
>
> Write down what the installer ask and what you answered.
?
I had said " ... accepting all defaults except configuring
network [none present] and setting clock to UTC."
>
>> I was hoping that log
>> files would give useful info.
>>
> Look through /var/logs for potential clues, and put them in your query.
I did a normal person's install of Squeeze to hard drive. I then
looked at /var/log/installer/syslog. It was educational. I also
noted it was ~5k lines. Suspect that is one reason installing to
flash is very slow.
"6.3.8.1. Saving the installation logs" of
https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch06s03.html.en states:
"Choosing Save debug logs from the main menu allows you to save
the log files to a floppy disk, network, hard disk, or other
media. This can be useful if you encounter fatal problems during
the installation and wish to study the logs on another system or
attach them to an installation report."
I used gparted to to create a 1GB ext2 formatted logical
partition (sda6) for it.
When I'm in the installer's Ash shell I can't seem to be able to
mount in.
Tried
mkdir /owl
mount -t ext2 /dev/sda6 /owl
failed. Suspect I'm missing something, but what?
>
>>
>> In answer to my second question of my debian-user post, I
>> discovered existence of
>> "/var/log/installer/". I had read "Debian GNU/Linux Installation
>> Guide" several times in the last couple of years. That's why I
>> knew log files existed. Just didn't remember where.
>>
>> As to "show the messages that indicate the wrong thing happened",
>> there were none - i.e. a "silent" failure. The only system was
>> inability to boot the newly installed system.
>>
> put the commands you used to try to unsucessfully boot and the response
> from the system.
>
>>
>> I'm now setting out to do a series of installs to *CLEAN* media.
>>
>
>
>> That explicitly means use of "dd" with "if=/dev/zero".
>
> I wouldn't bother with that, but I'm always encouraged to see the
> scientific method in use.
I could give you decades of experience (hardware and software) of
things that should not have mattered, but did.
>
>> Yess I do
>> have hardware dedicated to 'educational' experiments { >
>> 50 yrs of component level trouble shooting has taught me to start
>> from a known state ;}
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett
>> wrote:
>>>
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Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses
On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/5/2015 9:20 AM, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
> > I think you should add more detail. Show your partition tables, show the
> > commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
> > thing happened.
>
> I think you have me moving in a productive {possibly not "*THE*
> right"} direction.
>
You don't want to go in the productive direction?
> "Show your partition tables" lead to reading up on fdisk.
>
put the output of sudo fdisk -l in your query.
> I don't know to "show the commands you used to install" as was
> responding to prompts from the installer.
Write down what the installer ask and what you answered.
> I was hoping that log
> files would give useful info.
>
Look through /var/logs for potential clues, and put them in your query.
>
> In answer to my second question of my debian-user post, I
> discovered existence of
> "/var/log/installer/". I had read "Debian GNU/Linux Installation
> Guide" several times in the last couple of years. That's why I
> knew log files existed. Just didn't remember where.
>
> As to "show the messages that indicate the wrong thing happened",
> there were none - i.e. a "silent" failure. The only system was
> inability to boot the newly installed system.
>
put the commands you used to try to unsucessfully boot and the response
from the system.
>
> I'm now setting out to do a series of installs to *CLEAN* media.
>
> That explicitly means use of "dd" with "if=/dev/zero".
I wouldn't bother with that, but I'm always encouraged to see the
scientific method in use.
> Yess I do
> have hardware dedicated to 'educational' experiments { >
> 50 yrs of component level trouble shooting has taught me to start
> from a known state ;}
>
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett
> wrote:
> >
> >> I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
> >> observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
> >> within 24 hours.
> >>
> >> My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
> >> suitable forum.
> >> { I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
> >> Comments please. Thank you.
> >>
> >> On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
> >>> I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
> >>>
> >>> All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
> >>> Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
> >>>
> >>> My first attempt [[installing to flash]] with Jessie was using Expert
> >> mode but accepting
> >>> all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
> >>> setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
> >>> a flashing cursor.
> >>>
> >>> On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
> >>> to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
> >>> It/I was.
> >>>
> >>> I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
> >>> I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
> >>> install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
> >>>
> >>> HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
> >>> of Squeeze.
> >>> I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
> >>> On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
> >>> BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
> >>> 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
> >>> my hard drive?
> >>>
> >>> TIA
> >>>
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Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses
On 12/5/2015 9:20 AM, Patrick J. Timlick wrote:
> I think you should add more detail. Show your partition tables, show the
> commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
> thing happened.
I think you have me moving in a productive {possibly not "*THE*
right"} direction.
"Show your partition tables" lead to reading up on fdisk.
I don't know to "show the commands you used to install" as was
responding to prompts from the installer. I was hoping that log
files would give useful info.
In answer to my second question of my debian-user post, I
discovered existence of
"/var/log/installer/". I had read "Debian GNU/Linux Installation
Guide" several times in the last couple of years. That's why I
knew log files existed. Just didn't remember where.
As to "show the messages that indicate the wrong thing happened",
there were none - i.e. a "silent" failure. The only system was
inability to boot the newly installed system.
I'm now setting out to do a series of installs to *CLEAN* media.
That explicitly means use of "dd" with "if=/dev/zero". Yess I do
have hardware dedicated to 'educational' experiments { >
50 yrs of component level trouble shooting has taught me to start
from a known state ;}
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
>> observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
>> within 24 hours.
>>
>> My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
>> suitable forum.
>> { I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
>> Comments please. Thank you.
>>
>> On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
>>> I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
>>>
>>> All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
>>> Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
>>>
>>> My first attempt [[installing to flash]] with Jessie was using Expert
>> mode but accepting
>>> all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
>>> setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
>>> a flashing cursor.
>>>
>>> On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
>>> to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
>>> It/I was.
>>>
>>> I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
>>> I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
>>> install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
>>> of Squeeze.
>>> I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
>>> On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
>>> BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
>>>
>>> 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
>>> 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
>>> my hard drive?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>
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Re: [PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses
I think you should add more detail. Show your partition tables, show the
commands you used to install, show the messages that indicate the wrong
thing happened.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
> observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
> within 24 hours.
>
> My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
> suitable forum.
> { I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
> Comments please. Thank you.
>
> On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
> > I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
> >
> > All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
> > Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
> >
> > My first attempt [[installing to flash]] with Jessie was using Expert
> mode but accepting
> > all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
> > setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
> > a flashing cursor.
> >
> > On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
> > to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
> > It/I was.
> >
> > I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
> > I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
> > install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
> >
> > HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
> > of Squeeze.
> > I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
> > On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
> > BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
> >
> > 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
> > 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
> > my hard drive?
> >
> > TIA
> >
>
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[PLUG] How/where to ask questions that will receive responses
I posted the following question Dec 2 to the debian-user list. My
observation has of that list has been initial replies will be
within 24 hours.
My inference is question was poorly framed or not posted to
suitable forum.
{ I've made minor edits indicated by [[new text]] .}
Comments please. Thank you.
On 12/2/2015 12:06 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have successfully installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive.
> I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}.
>
> All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1.
> Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems.
>
> My first attempt [[installing to flash]] with Jessie was using Expert mode
> but accepting
> all defaults except configuring network [none present] and
> setting clock to UTC. On reboot all I got was a blank screen and
> a flashing cursor.
>
> On my second attempt I first installed Squeeze to the flash drive
> to verify that all hardware [and the operator ;] was functional.
> It/I was.
>
> I then installed Squeeze to entire [[flash]] drive. It booted normally.
> I shrank the Squeeze partition with Gparted and then attempted to
> install Jessie to the freed space. All appeared to go as expected.
>
> HOWEVER, on reboot I saw the Grub screen created by the install
> of Squeeze.
> I booted to Squeeze and ran update-grub.
> On reboot there were now entries for both Squeeze and Jessie.
> BOTH could be started and appeared normal.
>
> 1. Is this a known problem? How would I search BTS for it?
> 2. How would I have the installer send all relevant log files to
> my hard drive?
>
> TIA
>
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