Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
> > Any question that more than one person has about a Linux related issue > that is answered on this mailing list is valuable. Openly attacking me > on list when I cannot respond on list without being accused of hostile > behavior is extremely rude and unacceptable. Merely stating a historical pattern of observed behavior is not "openly attacking you". It's much like saying this has been the observed weather pattern. I am not hostile towards Keith, I am hostile towards calling God a woman on > list. I stand by my comment that I hope Linus converts to some form of > religion. Believing in God makes it easier to accept God. Aceepting > that which one does not believe is probably the hardest thing to do, yet > for the believer, it is no trouble at all. Believe that most of the modern conveniences that you enjoy were researched, developed, and "created" by people who don't believe in "God." > For those who totally reject > God, there is only Hell. > No, actually there's freedom and liberation from Religious oppression. > > Every thread that answers a question about a Linux or OSS related topic > is a good thread for this list. This thread does not pass this test and > frankly, it needs to die. If answering the questions of all but certain > people, people who agree with you on everything, is offensive to you, > this list is not for you. If you can't agree to disagree and instead > decide to openly attack a person who has been silent for days, you are > not affecting this list in a good way. Does anyone honestly think that > I want to see attack posts from this list in my inbox day after day, > week after week? I don't. > > The statement that I am hostile towards this list is NOT a fair > statement. I have been hostile towards only political/religious > statements which are technically not acceptable list material in the > first place. I have never been hostile towards people helping each > other use Linux more effectively. Politics and religion are not an appropriate topic for this list. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
> This is a historically proven and very fair statement of his behavior on > this mailing list. Not > to mention that when people do attempt to help him he tends to very > argumentative and always seems > to have some unique situation, according to him, in which no one's > suggestions can be successfully implemented. Any question that more than one person has about a Linux related issue that is answered on this mailing list is valuable. Openly attacking me on list when I cannot respond on list without being accused of hostile behavior is extremely rude and unacceptable. Is to be any semblance of professionalism in this community at all? I have been silent for days, but still people are attacking me on list with arguably little to no provocation at this point so that I have to speak out against it. Offering help if I do not know the issue well enough to give reasonable let alone correct advice is not help by the way. Nowhere in the terms of use for this list does it say that I am aware of, "you cannot ask for help if you do not give help to others." That people have to go after divisive threads that are over 10 years old to accuse me of having a, "history of hostility," is ridiculous. I am not hostile towards Keith, I am hostile towards calling God a woman on list. I stand by my comment that I hope Linus converts to some form of religion. Believing in God makes it easier to accept God. Aceepting that which one does not believe is probably the hardest thing to do, yet for the believer, it is no trouble at all. For those who totally reject God, there is only Hell. Every thread that answers a question about a Linux or OSS related topic is a good thread for this list. This thread does not pass this test and frankly, it needs to die. If answering the questions of all but certain people, people who agree with you on everything, is offensive to you, this list is not for you. If you can't agree to disagree and instead decide to openly attack a person who has been silent for days, you are not affecting this list in a good way. Does anyone honestly think that I want to see attack posts from this list in my inbox day after day, week after week? I don't. The statement that I am hostile towards this list is NOT a fair statement. I have been hostile towards only political/religious statements which are technically not acceptable list material in the first place. I have never been hostile towards people helping each other use Linux more effectively. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
> > > He also asks a --lot-- of questions of this board. I don't think he's > ever offered technical help to anyone on this board. He takes, and does > not give back. > This is a historically proven and very fair statement of his behavior on this mailing list. Not to mention that when people do attempt to help him he tends to very argumentative and always seems to have some unique situation, according to him, in which no one's suggestions can be successfully implemented. > > I suggest that anyone who answers his technical questions is > inadvertently encouraging people who just take from a community, along > with his general nasty demeanor. In my years here, I remember him saying > "thank you" just once. > > Anyone who doesn't contribute to doesn't deserve to benefit, > I understand people who have blacklisted him into their spam filters. I > have now done so reluctantly. It is in essence "changing the channel" > when he speaks. I am reluctant to do so -- as it risks ceding the tone > of this list to people like him. > > I agree and it sucks a lot to do so and defeats the purpose of having a community of support. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Rob Saul wrote: > On 9/28/11 8:13 AM, MJang wrote: >> "The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period." >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html > I wasn't going to join in this general fracas until I was reminded > of the above statement. It's too late, the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize > was awarded to Linus Pauling. It's a "Linus" conspiracy. Clearly. Semi-related: anybody know a good way to create and read filtered *web pages*? Say, I want to peruse the archives, for this list, and black-out posts, or I want to surf 4chan, while not being able to accidentally see (and thus download) CP. Is there a DOM filtering browser tool out there? Use case: In a DOM tree, I want to filter on every n*r reference from the web page, href, etc. Where I see: "goodstring" or "badstring". Xpath kind of works, but it's more of a searching system, not a developed content system. I guess the big hurdle is the "not this page" issue, where predictive removal of something from a DOM would require chasing down every link, and churning through the content... -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On 9/28/11 8:13 AM, MJang wrote: > > "The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period." > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html I wasn't going to join in this general fracas until I was reminded of the above statement. It's too late, the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Linus Pauling. semi-topical - I use dovecot + procmail to filter email quite effectively. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 04:31 -0700, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:36:18PM -0700, Jason Barnett wrote: > > I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to > > this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have > > found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for > > any post that contains his name. > > For anyone keeping count, I'm did and do the same. Even though my blacklist is now working w/r/t the individual in question, I still find this thread -- astonishing. He also asks a --lot-- of questions of this board. I don't think he's ever offered technical help to anyone on this board. He takes, and does not give back. I suggest that anyone who answers his technical questions is inadvertently encouraging people who just take from a community, along with his general nasty demeanor. In my years here, I remember him saying "thank you" just once. This thread, and his responses, is an overreaction about one person who honored his wife in a very American way. Keith's reference to his wife as a "God" who must be obeyed is a common American male view of marriage. If you've ever seen her picture on Keith's laptop, it's clear that he idolizes her. Keith has nothing to apologize for, and can be proud of the way he honors his marriage, and his work to make his wife's home office more efficient with Asterisk. The reacting individual in question has apparently been haunting this list with his point of view since at least 2004, ref http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2004-April/031297.html . So he's apparently not going to stop soon. I understand people who have blacklisted him into their spam filters. I have now done so reluctantly. It is in essence "changing the channel" when he speaks. I am reluctant to do so -- as it risks ceding the tone of this list to people like him. Given his point of view, it's astonishing that he would use an operating system created by an atheist. When Keith suggested that we nominate Linus for the Nobel Peace Prize, this was his reaction: http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html "The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period." He then compared Linus Torvalds to Mao Tse-Tung and Saddam Hussein. Thanks, Mike ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:36:18PM -0700, Jason Barnett wrote: > I am constantly on the edge of unsubscribing to > this mailing list, despite all the GOOD information that is on it. I have > found that the only way to deal with it is to have an autodelete filter for > any post that contains his name. For anyone keeping count, I'm did and do the same. -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Other Adventures: http://www.jamhome.us/ or http://westy.saunter.us/ Fortune Cookie Fortune du jour: I have a terrible sense of direction and get lost on a regular basis, but at least with the GPS, I know precisely where I'm lost. ~ Bob Heath ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
