Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Nov 20, 2010, at 1:34 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > It doesn't work with an external monitor at home. That is, it sees the > external monitor, but I can't get it to clone the signal to the external > monitor. The monitor in question is an LCD that runs at the same native > resolution as the laptop. The nVidia Settings GUI sees it, but I > haven't hit on the secret combination of settings that will make it > clone the laptop display to the external monitor. The external monitor > is receiving some kind of signal, because the "no signal detected" > message disappears as soon as I plug it into the VGA output on the > laptop. But it remains black regardless of what I do. What I would suggest is to get yourself an Ubuntu USB stick, boot with that with the monitor connected. I have yet to have that fail, straight out of the box. Using the live 'CD' setup, I get into graphics mode on most any system I've tried it on. This is how I test laptops with broken screens to see if anything is on them and everything else is functioning. I'm suggesting this because it appears a lot of flailing is going on, with something that should be fairly simple. I'm thinking if you can test it with a generic setup, as the Ubuntu live is. Russ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On the other hand, if you really! need the higher resolution it looks like you can now buy an hdtv resolution projector http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/hdtv-projectors.asp Most of then are based on the Texas Instruments DLP chip http://www.projectorpeople.com/dlp-projectors/ I saw the guy that invented this chip gave a talk a few years ago. It's a pretty amazing chip. Bill ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
> "Denis" == Denis Heidtmann writes: >> Projectors aren't the same as monitors. Don't expect them to be >> and your life will start seeming better. Count yourself lucky if >> it does 1024x768! The people in the back of the room won't be able >> to tell the difference anyway. Denis> Isn't the same true for LCD monitors? They have physical Denis> pixels. Any data has to be made to fit. Yes. What I meant to suggest was that people (particularly the manufacturers) have different (lower) expectations for resolution with projectors than the do with monitors. *I* want 1600x1200 native resolution projectors (and hell, why stop there?), but I don't want to pay what the asshat manufacturers would charge me for one. John, I am fully on board with your desired for more pixels. You are talking to a guy with 1600x1200 on his laptop and that spent $1200 or something on a 20 or 21-inch 1600x1200 trinitron back in 1995. Pixels rule! But in my experience, you aren't going to find so many pixels on projectors as you do on a garden variety monitor. Expecting them isn't going to make them magically appear. Given that (I presume) you don't want to go into the projector manufacturing business to rectify this problem, I suggest that you will become happier when you accept that reality. -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
> "John" == John Jason Jordan writes: John> The part I don't understand is where it says in the technical John> specs for the projector: John> Native resolution 1400x1050 Maximum resolution 1600x1200 John> Does "maximum resolution" mean that it will display whatever the John> laptop sends to it, as long as the laptop resolution is within John> the maximums? And if so, what is the secret to making it do so? This is what I was trying to explain to you. Maximum resolution is what the projector will accept. Native resolution is what it actually projects. It translates the resolutions by resampling. Resampling usually leads to blurry pictures. You want to avoid that if you can. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_scaling -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:51:37 -0800 Russell Johnson dijo: >In my experience, plugging the projector in before booting is the >easiest way to get it to work. If your system works with an external >monitor, it will work with the projector. It doesn't work with an external monitor at home. That is, it sees the external monitor, but I can't get it to clone the signal to the external monitor. The monitor in question is an LCD that runs at the same native resolution as the laptop. The nVidia Settings GUI sees it, but I haven't hit on the secret combination of settings that will make it clone the laptop display to the external monitor. The external monitor is receiving some kind of signal, because the "no signal detected" message disappears as soon as I plug it into the VGA output on the laptop. But it remains black regardless of what I do. However, yesterday at PSU I did succeed in getting my laptop display to appear on the wall with the classroom projector. I just couldn't get the resolution right. The part I don't understand is where it says in the technical specs for the projector: Native resolution 1400x1050 Maximum resolution 1600x1200 Does "maximum resolution" mean that it will display whatever the laptop sends to it, as long as the laptop resolution is within the maximums? And if so, what is the secret to making it do so? And note that I can't get anything to work with the nouveau driver and xrandr. My partial success yesterday was with the nVidia driver. Xrandr reportedly works with some nVidia drivers, but apparently not mine. >If it's not working, then maybe your making it too complicated. It's already complicated. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
A projector is nothing more than a monitor that projects it's image rather than display it on a fixed screen. It still has all the stuff an LCD monitor has, and works exactly the same. In my experience, plugging the projector in before booting is the easiest way to get it to work. If your system works with an external monitor, it will work with the projector. If it's not working, then maybe your making it too complicated. Russ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:09:46 -0800 Denis Heidtmann dijo: >On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Russell Senior >wrote: >> ... >> The projector is only going to project at its native resolution. All >> pushing more pixels at it is going to do is cause it to resample them >> into its native resolution, probably badly. >> Projectors aren't the same as monitors. Don't expect them to be and >> your life will start seeming better. Count yourself lucky if it does >> 1024x768! The people in the back of the room won't be able to tell >> the difference anyway. >Isn't the same true for LCD monitors? They have physical pixels. Any >data has to be made to fit. My understanding is that a projector is just a movie projector with some kind of screen instead of film. Hmm, I should google up on that. Might help if I understood more clearly how they work. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > ... > The projector is only going to project at its native resolution. All > pushing more pixels at it is going to do is cause it to resample them > into its native resolution, probably badly. > > Projectors aren't the same as monitors. Don't expect them to be and > your life will start seeming better. Count yourself lucky if it does > 1024x768! The people in the back of the room won't be able to tell > the difference anyway. Isn't the same true for LCD monitors? They have physical pixels. Any data has to be made to fit. -Denis ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:34:56 -0800 Russell Senior dijo: >John> What if the "known to work" laptop is running at, say, >John> 1280x1024, and therefore it syncs with the projector just >John> fine. But my screen is 1680x1050, and my video driver does not >John> support 1280x1024? > >The idea is that you run your X11 application over an ssh tunnel. >Your laptop's video driver never enters into that picture. > >John> The projector is capable of 1600x1200. Due to the nature of the >John> presentation I need to squeeze pixels out of it until it >John> screams. > >The projector is only going to project at its native resolution. All >pushing more pixels at it is going to do is cause it to resample them >into its native resolution, probably badly. My guess is that the >1600x1200 it cites is just the maximum resolution that it will accept >for resampling. I have personally seen professors using Windows laptops change the resolution of the projector to match their laptops. Most classroom projectors at PSU have a native resolution of 1024x768, yet I am positive they were getting more than that. >Projectors aren't the same as monitors. Don't expect them to be and >your life will start seeming better. Count yourself lucky if it does >1024x768! The people in the back of the room won't be able to tell >the difference anyway. I have seen Scribus at 1024x768 while experimenting with the Hitachi projectors at PSU. It is horrible. If the audience sees desktop publishing on open source software at 1024x768 they will walk out of the room and immediately buy Windows and InDesign. More years ago than I care to recollect, I paid $2,500 for a 21" CRT monitor that would do an unheard of 1280x1024. It weighed 55Kg, and I needed a friend to help me lift it up to my desk. At the time everyone in the computer world was using 14" or 15" monitors at 640x480. People were astonished when they saw it. Yet, to me it was worth every penny and then some. In DTP you need screen real estate. If your monitor won't do more than 1024x768 then you need to 1) buy a better monitor/video card, 2) spend the next several months of your life learning TeX or, 3) expect to have a frustrating experience. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
> "John" == John Jason Jordan writes: John> On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:54:47 -0800 Galen Seitz John> dijo: >> Here's an off the wall suggestion for the projector problem: >> >> Connect a known to work laptop to the projector. >> >> Connect John's laptop to the working laptop with a network cable. >> >> Configure with a static IP on both ends. >> >> ssh -X from the working laptop to John's laptop. >> >> Run desired application(s). John> What if the "known to work" laptop is running at, say, John> 1280x1024, and therefore it syncs with the projector just John> fine. But my screen is 1680x1050, and my video driver does not John> support 1280x1024? The idea is that you run your X11 application over an ssh tunnel. Your laptop's video driver never enters into that picture. John> The projector is capable of 1600x1200. Due to the nature of the John> presentation I need to squeeze pixels out of it until it John> screams. The projector is only going to project at its native resolution. All pushing more pixels at it is going to do is cause it to resample them into its native resolution, probably badly. My guess is that the 1600x1200 it cites is just the maximum resolution that it will accept for resampling. Projectors aren't the same as monitors. Don't expect them to be and your life will start seeming better. Count yourself lucky if it does 1024x768! The people in the back of the room won't be able to tell the difference anyway. -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:54:47 -0800 Galen Seitz dijo: >Here's an off the wall suggestion for the projector problem: > >Connect a known to work laptop to the projector. > >Connect John's laptop to the working laptop with a network cable. > >Configure with a static IP on both ends. > >ssh -X from the working laptop to John's laptop. > >Run desired application(s). What if the "known to work" laptop is running at, say, 1280x1024, and therefore it syncs with the projector just fine. But my screen is 1680x1050, and my video driver does not support 1280x1024? The projector is capable of 1600x1200. Due to the nature of the presentation I need to squeeze pixels out of it until it screams. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
Here's an off the wall suggestion for the projector problem: Connect a known to work laptop to the projector. Connect John's laptop to the working laptop with a network cable. Configure with a static IP on both ends. ssh -X from the working laptop to John's laptop. Run desired application(s). Profit! galen -- Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:58:21 -0800 Keith Lofstrom dijo: >> I plan to tinker with it some more at the Clinic. But at this point >> it looks doubtful that it can be made to work. > >I will endeavor (remind me Sunday morning) to bring my projector to >the Clinic, and we will debug this summich. However, that will put >two normally-helps-others folks offline. Could you (yes, you the >intelligent and helpful person reading this) show up and help us >help others? > >I imagine John's Thinkpad will need some tweaking, perhaps even >some driver compiling, but if we miraculously succeed early, we >can try a few other laptops on the projector. I was thinking of asking Keith to bring his projector, so I'm glad to hear he will do so. Another point: I was still wrong about the projector in FAB 86-01. But now I am positive because I got someone from the Doghouse use his key to let me in the room. It is a Hitachi CP-SX1350: http://www.projectorcentral.com/Hitachi-CP-SX1350.htm And I note that its native resolution is 1400x1050. The one I was testing with in an open classroom had a native resolution of 1024x768, although both are listed as having a maximum resolution of 1600x1200. All those resolutions are odd numbers compared to what we are accustomed to on computer screens. Several people have told me that the projector will sense what the computer is sending it and sync to it if it is within the projector's range. My laptop normally runs at 1680x1050, so I tried setting its resolution down to 1280x1024 to test it. Didn't work. Someone else said xrandr will work with some of the nVidia drivers and can be used to change the resolution on the projector. I tried that as well, as root. The commands I tried all executed without error, but made no difference in the projector's resolution. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
> I plan to tinker with it some more at the Clinic. But at this point it > looks doubtful that it can be made to work. I will endeavor (remind me Sunday morning) to bring my projector to the Clinic, and we will debug this summich. However, that will put two normally-helps-others folks offline. Could you (yes, you the intelligent and helpful person reading this) show up and help us help others? I imagine John's Thinkpad will need some tweaking, perhaps even some driver compiling, but if we miraculously succeed early, we can try a few other laptops on the projector. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com Voice (503)-520-1993 KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon" Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:32:41 -0800 > Aaron Burt dijo: > > >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:12:41PM -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote: >> >>> I currently have roughly 10 hours invested in trying to get my >>> Thinkpad with nVidia video to work with projectors at PSU. >>> >> I'm very sad to hear that. >> It's not much help at this point, but I've had great luck with Ubuntu >> and external monitors/projectors on my laptops. >> > > First, I am currently back at PSU and I took a second look at the model > number. It is CP-X605: > > http://www.projectorcentral.com/Hitachi-CP-X605.htm > > Yesterday I was using the nouveau driver and it could not even see the > projector. It was as though the cable was not connected. I tried to > install the nVidia driver, but was having difficulties logging in to > the wireless. Without net access I couldn't download or install > anything. > > Last night at home I reinstalled the nVidia driver. Now, at PSU, I am > able to see the projector using the nVidia Settings utility. And the > screen from the projector no longer says "no input detected." However, > it remains black. I've tried a zillion settings in the nVidia Settings > utility, but nothing gets it to display my screen on the wall. > Unfortunately, there are many, many options, and the possible > permutations of settings is in the millions. And the nVidia Help file > is useless: "Xinerama - check this box to enable Xinerama." > > I note from the technical information about the CP-X605 that its > maximum resolution is 1600x1200. When the nVidia Settings utility finds > it, all it shows is its native resolution, 1024x768. And, although I > can move the projector display screen all around, and even on top of my > laptop screen, it looks as though all it will do is project 1024x768 of > my 1680x1050 screen, assuming that eventually I hit on the secret to > getting it to display anything at all. > > >> I suspect you'll just have to throw your slides on a thumbdrive and >> borrow another laptop that does work OK. >> > > I thought of that possibility, but the person would need to have > installed many packages and fonts. It's possible, but not trivial. > > >> I'd try to tinker with it at the Clinic, but I can't come because >> Beloved Wife wants us to clean house before Thanksgiving. >> > > I plan to tinker with it some more at the Clinic. But at this point it > looks doubtful that it can be made to work. > John Jason Jordan Not sure about this, but I believe I read somewhere that dual display (or something like that) has to be enable in BIOS to have the same image on both screens? Regards Fred James ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:44 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > > >I'd try to tinker with it at the Clinic, but I can't come because > >Beloved Wife wants us to clean house before Thanksgiving. > > I plan to tinker with it some more at the Clinic. But at this point it > looks doubtful that it can be made to work. > Sometimes a hard reboot with the projector connected and on will help. I don't have any advice about your settings though because the last time I used a projector you just went into xorg.conf and typed in some magic, there were no fancy tools like xrandr to add to the confusion of what needed to be done. Bill ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:32:41 -0800 Aaron Burt dijo: >On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:12:41PM -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote: >> I currently have roughly 10 hours invested in trying to get my >> Thinkpad with nVidia video to work with projectors at PSU. > >I'm very sad to hear that. >It's not much help at this point, but I've had great luck with Ubuntu >and external monitors/projectors on my laptops. First, I am currently back at PSU and I took a second look at the model number. It is CP-X605: http://www.projectorcentral.com/Hitachi-CP-X605.htm Yesterday I was using the nouveau driver and it could not even see the projector. It was as though the cable was not connected. I tried to install the nVidia driver, but was having difficulties logging in to the wireless. Without net access I couldn't download or install anything. Last night at home I reinstalled the nVidia driver. Now, at PSU, I am able to see the projector using the nVidia Settings utility. And the screen from the projector no longer says "no input detected." However, it remains black. I've tried a zillion settings in the nVidia Settings utility, but nothing gets it to display my screen on the wall. Unfortunately, there are many, many options, and the possible permutations of settings is in the millions. And the nVidia Help file is useless: "Xinerama - check this box to enable Xinerama." I note from the technical information about the CP-X605 that its maximum resolution is 1600x1200. When the nVidia Settings utility finds it, all it shows is its native resolution, 1024x768. And, although I can move the projector display screen all around, and even on top of my laptop screen, it looks as though all it will do is project 1024x768 of my 1680x1050 screen, assuming that eventually I hit on the secret to getting it to display anything at all. >I suspect you'll just have to throw your slides on a thumbdrive and >borrow another laptop that does work OK. I thought of that possibility, but the person would need to have installed many packages and fonts. It's possible, but not trivial. >I'd try to tinker with it at the Clinic, but I can't come because >Beloved Wife wants us to clean house before Thanksgiving. I plan to tinker with it some more at the Clinic. But at this point it looks doubtful that it can be made to work. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:12:41PM -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote: > I currently have roughly 10 hours invested in trying to get my Thinkpad > with nVidia video to work with projectors at PSU. I'm very sad to hear that. It's not much help at this point, but I've had great luck with Ubuntu and external monitors/projectors on my laptops. I suspect you'll just have to throw your slides on a thumbdrive and borrow another laptop that does work OK. I'd try to tinker with it at the Clinic, but I can't come because Beloved Wife wants us to clean house before Thanksgiving. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Projector frustration
John Jason Jordan wrote: > I currently have roughly 10 hours invested in trying to get my Thinkpad > with nVidia video to work with projectors at PSU. That's about six > hours on campus and the rest of the time at home researching the > nouveau driver, xrandr, and the nVidia proprietary driver, installing > and uninstalling each. It also involves several man-hours of time spent > by PSU support staff, not that most were very useful: > > "What version of Windows do you have?" > "Windows is not installed on this computer." > "But it's not a Mac ..." > "It runs Fedora 13." > "What's a Fedora 13?" > > Eventually I usually did find a support person who knew Linux, but even > then they knew nothing of the nouveau driver, and little about xrandr. > > I did discover that the projector in FAB 86-01 is a Hitachi CPXCO5, > although the O may be a zero. Unfortunately Hitachi and Google are > unable to find that model. Without technical specs there is no way to > tell what resolution(s) it is capable of. > > Not that projector matters much. Using the nouveau driver I can't even > see it; xrandr -q just shows the laptop screen. Using the nVidia driver > I can see it, but I can't get it to display anything. > > I asked here if anyone who has successfully used the projector in FAB > 86-01 could share how they did it, but there have been no responses. > > It's time to throw in the towel. > John Jason Jordan Searching on CPXC05 suggested CPX5, but that may be off the track Regards Fred James ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Projector frustration
I currently have roughly 10 hours invested in trying to get my Thinkpad with nVidia video to work with projectors at PSU. That's about six hours on campus and the rest of the time at home researching the nouveau driver, xrandr, and the nVidia proprietary driver, installing and uninstalling each. It also involves several man-hours of time spent by PSU support staff, not that most were very useful: "What version of Windows do you have?" "Windows is not installed on this computer." "But it's not a Mac ..." "It runs Fedora 13." "What's a Fedora 13?" Eventually I usually did find a support person who knew Linux, but even then they knew nothing of the nouveau driver, and little about xrandr. I did discover that the projector in FAB 86-01 is a Hitachi CPXCO5, although the O may be a zero. Unfortunately Hitachi and Google are unable to find that model. Without technical specs there is no way to tell what resolution(s) it is capable of. Not that projector matters much. Using the nouveau driver I can't even see it; xrandr -q just shows the laptop screen. Using the nVidia driver I can see it, but I can't get it to display anything. I asked here if anyone who has successfully used the projector in FAB 86-01 could share how they did it, but there have been no responses. It's time to throw in the towel. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Projector in 86-01 at PSU
Today I went to PSU on other business, but took my Thinkpad with Fedora 13 x86_64 with me. I wanted to see if I could get it to work with the projector in the room where we hold the general meetings. Before doing so I had installed the latest nVidia proprietary driver, which comes with a GUI configuration tool. Using the GUI I was able to get the projector displaying my screen (which runs at 1680 x 1050), but the projector displayed only the top left 1024 x 768. That was with the "Twinview" setting. Using the "Use Separate X Screen" setting I got it to display my entire screen, albeit badly scrunched, but the screen on my laptop went black. Due to the nature of my upcoming presentation I need every pixel I can coax out of the projector. I have installed xrandr, but haven't figured it out yet. Google and the man pages await me. I understand that it does not work with the nVidia driver, so I'll have to go back to the nouveau driver. That is not a problem - I've been using the nouveau driver for ages without the slightest problem. I know there are people here who have used the projector in that room with their own computers. A couple questions for you: 1) Do you recall what resolution you got out of the projector? 2) How did you do it? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Projector
Do you have a projector for sure. If not call 503-869/0634 in the next 15 min Mark wills On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: >MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT > > The Portland Linux/Unix Group > will meet > 7 PM Wednesday June 16th, 2010 > at >Roots Organic Brewery > in the > Big room behind the "Employees Only" sign > >1520 Southeast 7th Avenue - Just South of Hawthorne - (503) > 235-7668 > > > > > >PRESENTATION > >Perl 5 & 6: What you've missed in the last $n years. > > by > > Eric Wilhelm and Paul Fenwick > > www.scratchcomputing.com > www.perltraining.com.au > > > We are honored to have local Perl expert and OSCON presenter Eric > Wilhelm and visiting OSCON keynote presenter Paul Fenwick talk aobut > gems you may have been missing in Perl 5 and 6. > > Eric will present an overview of the Perl 6 project, a snapshot of > recent development, how to install Rakudo Perl 6, and samples of what > you can do with Rakudo Perl 6 now. > > Paul writes: Awesome things have been happening in Perl recently; so > many that even if you've been paying close attention, you may have > missed a few. In this talk we'll examine some of the coolest recent > technologies for Perl programmers, including: > > * Overhauling Perl's Object Oriented framework with Moose. > > * Making everything a first-class object with autobox. > > * Slashing your error handling code with autodie. > > * Building fast, readable and reusable regular expressions with Perl > 5.10. > > * Bundling and building stand-alone applications using PAR, the Perl > Archiver. > > * Astonishingly good profiling with Devel::NYTProf. > > * Playing MineSweeper automatically with App::SweeperBot. > > > Thank you Brian Martin for coordinating this event while Michael is > out > of town and Keith for supplying the projector. > ___ > PLUG-announce mailing list > plug-annou...@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
