Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Thank you to those offering me ways to get install media for a pre-stable Debian Jessie. I had already made the decision to obtain a release only after it has become stable and then purchase a _complete_ set of DVDs. I have complete sets of both Squeeze and Wheezy. Squeeze is a better math for me. When Jessie becomes stable, I may purchase a set. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
On Dec 12, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Louis Kowolowski wrote: For the cost of 3 DVDs, somebody is likely to be willing to download and burn them for you. Just have to coordinate meeting at PLUG for the handoff. Louis, He lives in SW Missouri. :-) But, someone can pay the $1 or so postage and mail the DVDs to him. :-) Point being, there are lots of helpful people around and this isn’t a difficult problem to solve. — Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org mailto:lou...@cryptomonkeys.org Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
On Saturday, December 13, 2014, Louis Kowolowski lou...@cryptomonkeys.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lou...@cryptomonkeys.org'); wrote: Point being, there are lots of helpful people around and this isn’t a difficult problem to solve. I am still unclear on exactly what this problem is. Is it wanting to install Debian on a local system? Is it wanting to create a customize Debian, i.e. your own distro? Is it wanting to get familiar with using Debian? Something else? Each question has its own set of optimal solutions. For example, of you want to become more familiar with using Debian, one solution would be to fire up a cloud instance and ssh in. You would be up and running in seconds for pennies an hour. Regards, - Robert ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Robert == Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com writes: Robert I am still unclear on exactly what this problem is. Robert Is it wanting to install Debian on a local system? Is it Robert wanting to create a customize Debian, i.e. your own distro? Is Robert it wanting to get familiar with using Debian? Something else? Robert Each question has its own set of optimal solutions. For Robert example, of you want to become more familiar with using Debian, Robert one solution would be to fire up a cloud instance and ssh in. Robert You would be up and running in seconds for pennies an hour. The challenge, iirc, is that the protagonist here is tube challenged. That is, his acess to the intarwebs is rather constricted by contemporary standards. -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
sure, I'd do it, or you could get someone from fiverr.com to do it, dl and burn the results of http://cgi.build.live-systems.org/cgi-bin/live-build that he set up... On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Russell Senior russ...@personaltelco.net wrote: Robert == Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com writes: Robert I am still unclear on exactly what this problem is. Robert Is it wanting to install Debian on a local system? Is it Robert wanting to create a customize Debian, i.e. your own distro? Is Robert it wanting to get familiar with using Debian? Something else? Robert Each question has its own set of optimal solutions. For Robert example, of you want to become more familiar with using Debian, Robert one solution would be to fire up a cloud instance and ssh in. Robert You would be up and running in seconds for pennies an hour. The challenge, iirc, is that the protagonist here is tube challenged. That is, his acess to the intarwebs is rather constricted by contemporary standards. -- Russell Senior, President russ...@personaltelco.net ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Nat Taylor wrote: Part of me cringes when you discuss intentionally installing old stable instead of current stable, just for future security/upgrade purposes. That was not my reason. I'm on dialup there fore I install *ONLY* from complete physical sets of DVDs (why I choose that solution would be the size of _War and Peace_ ;). Will the group applying security fixes do it forever? (Long Term Support until 2016-02-?[193] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#cite_note-195 ) If you don't like gnome 3 (me neither), there is cinnamon and mate available, as well as LXDE and XFCE... Although, I have no idea how much work migrating your preseed.cfg files to wheezy would be... I use Squeeze because it let's me do things my way. L-o-n-g term the next stable release I expect to use will be Jessie+1 (see parenthesis above ;). ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Louis Kowolowski wrote: Not to mention from an operational perspective, basing your work on something that is already obsolete means you will either: a) make more work for yourself by forcing yourself to do things multiple times just to get up to a modern system Unless Jessie+1 breaks things wholesale my scripts should unchanged. My have to create one metapackage. (why I choose that solution would be the size of _War and Peace_ ;). b) never update because its forever “too much work” See above I’d suggest working off jessie. You will have the biggest bang for buck on work spent vs. longevity of work, and that will give you more time plan for future changes as they come down the pipe. Jessie is unavailable as I'm on dialup. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
On Dec 12, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: ... I’d suggest working off jessie. You will have the biggest bang for buck on work spent vs. longevity of work, and that will give you more time plan for future changes as they come down the pipe. Jessie is unavailable as I'm on dialup. For the cost of 3 DVDs, somebody is likely to be willing to download and burn them for you. Just have to coordinate meeting at PLUG for the handoff. — Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org mailto:lou...@cryptomonkeys.org Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, Louis Kowolowski wrote: For the cost of 3 DVDs, somebody is likely to be willing to download and burn them for you. Just have to coordinate meeting at PLUG for the handoff. Louis, He lives in SW Missouri. :-) But, someone can pay the $1 or so postage and mail the DVDs to him. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Thank you for the many comments. Several got me thinking. I now have a better idea of how/why I got to where I am. In summary: I am trying to move away from Windows (and similarly Canonical) - the vendor knows best syndrome which yields excess baggage installed by default and essential software missing. I've settled on Debian (or a derivative). The key features were: 1. large user base 2. large repertoire of precompiled software. (apt, synaptic) 3. others have found Debian derivatives useful. 4. avoiding rolling releases A short form of my personal goal is: 1. bring back *PERSONAL* to personal computing. 2. understand Linux internals 3. minimal number of modules In the near term I will base my work on Debian Squeeze: 1. I already have a collection of preseed.cfg files for several use cases. 2. I comes with Gnome2 *NOT* Gnome3. 3. Its d-i results better approximate some poorly specified goals. 4. There is a group applying security fixes. 5. Wheezy does not appear to offer any features of personal interest. (suspect I will skip Jessie for same reason) I'll attempt to follow Nate Taylor's suggestion to follow http://live-systems.org/build/. It may not be an ideal approach. But any failures should be educational ;} ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Part of me cringes when you discuss intentionally installing old stable instead of current stable, just for future security/upgrade purposes. Will the group applying security fixes do it forever? (Long Term Support until 2016-02-?[193] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#cite_note-195 ) If you don't like gnome 3 (me neither), there is cinnamon and mate available, as well as LXDE and XFCE... Although, I have no idea how much work migrating your preseed.cfg files to wheezy would be... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Thank you for the many comments. Several got me thinking. I now have a better idea of how/why I got to where I am. In summary: I am trying to move away from Windows (and similarly Canonical) - the vendor knows best syndrome which yields excess baggage installed by default and essential software missing. I've settled on Debian (or a derivative). The key features were: 1. large user base 2. large repertoire of precompiled software. (apt, synaptic) 3. others have found Debian derivatives useful. 4. avoiding rolling releases A short form of my personal goal is: 1. bring back *PERSONAL* to personal computing. 2. understand Linux internals 3. minimal number of modules In the near term I will base my work on Debian Squeeze: 1. I already have a collection of preseed.cfg files for several use cases. 2. I comes with Gnome2 *NOT* Gnome3. 3. Its d-i results better approximate some poorly specified goals. 4. There is a group applying security fixes. 5. Wheezy does not appear to offer any features of personal interest. (suspect I will skip Jessie for same reason) I'll attempt to follow Nate Taylor's suggestion to follow http://live-systems.org/build/. It may not be an ideal approach. But any failures should be educational ;} ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Status Report - was [ Specifying a minimalist/instuctional/??? Linux install]
Not to mention from an operational perspective, basing your work on something that is already obsolete means you will either: a) make more work for yourself by forcing yourself to do things multiple times just to get up to a modern system b) never update because its forever “too much work” I’d suggest working off jessie. You will have the biggest bang for buck on work spent vs. longevity of work, and that will give you more time plan for future changes as they come down the pipe. On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Nat Taylor biob...@gmail.com wrote: Part of me cringes when you discuss intentionally installing old stable instead of current stable, just for future security/upgrade purposes. Will the group applying security fixes do it forever? (Long Term Support until 2016-02-?[193] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#cite_note-195 ) If you don't like gnome 3 (me neither), there is cinnamon and mate available, as well as LXDE and XFCE... Although, I have no idea how much work migrating your preseed.cfg files to wheezy would be... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Thank you for the many comments. Several got me thinking. I now have a better idea of how/why I got to where I am. In summary: I am trying to move away from Windows (and similarly Canonical) - the vendor knows best syndrome which yields excess baggage installed by default and essential software missing. I've settled on Debian (or a derivative). The key features were: 1. large user base 2. large repertoire of precompiled software. (apt, synaptic) 3. others have found Debian derivatives useful. 4. avoiding rolling releases A short form of my personal goal is: 1. bring back *PERSONAL* to personal computing. 2. understand Linux internals 3. minimal number of modules In the near term I will base my work on Debian Squeeze: 1. I already have a collection of preseed.cfg files for several use cases. 2. I comes with Gnome2 *NOT* Gnome3. 3. Its d-i results better approximate some poorly specified goals. 4. There is a group applying security fixes. 5. Wheezy does not appear to offer any features of personal interest. (suspect I will skip Jessie for same reason) I'll attempt to follow Nate Taylor's suggestion to follow http://live-systems.org/build/. It may not be an ideal approach. But any failures should be educational ;} ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org mailto:lou...@cryptomonkeys.org Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
