Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
I like Microsoft elete. They cost about $35. Wayne On 10/25/2014 12:02 PM, Bill Kielhorn wrote: > That was a very interesting and informative talk. Thank you, Leander! > > Are there any opinions about the best physical keyboards for > keyboard-centric work? > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
That was a very interesting and informative talk. Thank you, Leander! Are there any opinions about the best physical keyboards for keyboard-centric work? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Larry Brigman wrote: > In the presentation, there is a link for history via a shell script. In > looking at that shell script it has > a command that I don't know what it does - vmenu. > I can guess but is it another script or a binary program that is specific > to arch Linux? vmenu is my alias for dmenu with some arguments I like. If you look in the github repo of which the shistory script is a part (lsh-bin), you find vmenu and a bunch of other little scripts I use. -Leander PS: The presentation software also supports vim-style hjkl motion keys if you *really* want to be efficient. :) ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Yes, Michael. I agree wow! So many things to ponder, shortcuts, and scripts to think about. Regards, Jeff Maher On 10/21/14 20:33, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 10/21/14 6:08 PM, Leander S. Harding wrote: >> I've just posted the slides for tonight's talk on my website at >> http://lsh.io/plugtalk for those who can't make it or want to follow >> along on their own machines. > Mindblowing. > > Not for everyone but... wow. > > Michael > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
In the presentation, there is a link for history via a shell script. In looking at that shell script it has a command that I don't know what it does - vmenu. I can guess but is it another script or a binary program that is specific to arch Linux? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 10/22/2014 07:45 AM, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > > Oh, I should have realized this. The talk was about simplification of > your > > computing workflow, right? So this isn't a mousing interface > presentation. > > Press the right and left arrow keys to navigate on a PC! > > Ah. I didn't know about that one. That's certainly easier than what I > did. Thanks for pointing that out. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On 10/22/2014 07:45 AM, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > Oh, I should have realized this. The talk was about simplification of your > computing workflow, right? So this isn't a mousing interface presentation. > Press the right and left arrow keys to navigate on a PC! Ah. I didn't know about that one. That's certainly easier than what I did. Thanks for pointing that out. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
I looked at it last night, and all I did was use the page-down and page-up keys. I was using Firefox, and it also works on Chrome. Mark On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > Hrm, I actually haven't tried the slides on a desktop. I imagine click and > drag like you would when panning a large image? > On Oct 22, 2014 6:31 AM, "Rich Shepard" wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > > > > > Swipe right > > > >Oh? How does one do that with a trackball? My LCD monitor is not a > touch > > screen. > > > > Rich > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > Oh, I should have realized this. The talk was about simplification of your > computing workflow, right? So this isn't a mousing interface presentation. > Press the right and left arrow keys to navigate on a PC! Ronald, I, too, should have realized this. :-( The down-arrow key works as well as the right-arrow key. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Oh, I should have realized this. The talk was about simplification of your computing workflow, right? So this isn't a mousing interface presentation. Press the right and left arrow keys to navigate on a PC! Also, I wasn't able to make it last night, but I wish I had, DE topics are very interesting to me! Even though I live in KDE with a dozen tabs open in both Firefox and Chrome, as well as another dozen in yakuake, and 4-4 IM tabs in pidgin. I've always been at home in fluxbox as well. Did the speaker touch on the Tiling Window Manager concept? One of my co-workers uses it exclusively at work, and loves it, I think he's using the Awesome wm. And another note, has any one spent any time with QNX Neutrino? I spent a couple years working in their wm (borderline DE) and found its semi-minimalist approach very satisfying as well. On Oct 22, 2014 6:53 AM, "Dick Steffens" wrote: > On 10/22/2014 06:31 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > > > >> Swipe right > > Oh? How does one do that with a trackball? My LCD monitor is not a > touch > > screen. > > Save the following in a .html file, open it in a browser, then click on > a slide link. Each slide will open in a new tab. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > > > > Links for Leander S. Harding's PLUG Talk Slide Deck > > > > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#1";>Slide 1 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#2";>Slide 2 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#3";>Slide 3 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#4";>Slide 4 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#5";>Slide 5 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#6";>Slide 6 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#7";>Slide 7 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#8";>Slide 8 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#9";>Slide 9 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#10";>Slide 10 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#11";>Slide 11 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#12";>Slide 12 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#13";>Slide 13 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#14";>Slide 14 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#15";>Slide 15 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#16";>Slide 16 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#17";>Slide 17 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#18";>Slide 18 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#19";>Slide 19 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#20";>Slide 20 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#21";>Slide 21 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#22";>Slide 22 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#23";>Slide 23 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#24";>Slide 24 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#25";>Slide 25 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#26";>Slide 26 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#27";>Slide 27 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#28";>Slide 28 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#29";>Slide 29 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#30";>Slide 30 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#31";>Slide 31 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#32";>Slide 32 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#33";>Slide 33 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#34";>Slide 34 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#35";>Slide 35 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#36";>Slide 36 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#37";>Slide 37 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#38";>Slide 38 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#39";>Slide 39 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#40";>Slide 40 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#41";>Slide 41 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#42";>Slide 42 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#43";>Slide 43 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#44";>Slide 44 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#45";>Slide 45 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#46";>Slide 46 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#47";>Slide 47 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#48";>Slide 48 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#49";>Slide 49 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#50";>Slide 50 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#51";>Slide 51 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#52";>Slide 52 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#53";>Slide 53 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#54";>Slide 54 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#55";>Slide 55 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#56";>Slide 56 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#57";>Slide 57 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#58";>Slide 58 > http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#59";>Slide 59 > > > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Dick Steffens wrote: > Save the following in a .html file, open it in a browser, then click on a > slide link. Each slide will open in a new tab. Hm-m-m-m. OK. Using the beamer class in LaTeX produces very nice PDF files that are viewable on any platform from a single file. Thanks, Dick, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > Hrm, I actually haven't tried the slides on a desktop. I imagine click and > drag like you would when panning a large image? That only highlights some of the text. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On 10/22/2014 06:31 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > >> Swipe right > Oh? How does one do that with a trackball? My LCD monitor is not a touch > screen. Save the following in a .html file, open it in a browser, then click on a slide link. Each slide will open in a new tab. -- Regards, Dick Steffens Links for Leander S. Harding's PLUG Talk Slide Deck http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#1";>Slide 1 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#2";>Slide 2 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#3";>Slide 3 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#4";>Slide 4 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#5";>Slide 5 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#6";>Slide 6 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#7";>Slide 7 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#8";>Slide 8 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#9";>Slide 9 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#10";>Slide 10 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#11";>Slide 11 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#12";>Slide 12 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#13";>Slide 13 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#14";>Slide 14 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#15";>Slide 15 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#16";>Slide 16 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#17";>Slide 17 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#18";>Slide 18 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#19";>Slide 19 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#20";>Slide 20 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#21";>Slide 21 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#22";>Slide 22 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#23";>Slide 23 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#24";>Slide 24 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#25";>Slide 25 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#26";>Slide 26 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#27";>Slide 27 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#28";>Slide 28 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#29";>Slide 29 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#30";>Slide 30 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#31";>Slide 31 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#32";>Slide 32 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#33";>Slide 33 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#34";>Slide 34 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#35";>Slide 35 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#36";>Slide 36 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#37";>Slide 37 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#38";>Slide 38 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#39";>Slide 39 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#40";>Slide 40 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#41";>Slide 41 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#42";>Slide 42 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#43";>Slide 43 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#44";>Slide 44 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#45";>Slide 45 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#46";>Slide 46 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#47";>Slide 47 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#48";>Slide 48 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#49";>Slide 49 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#50";>Slide 50 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#51";>Slide 51 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#52";>Slide 52 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#53";>Slide 53 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#54";>Slide 54 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#55";>Slide 55 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#56";>Slide 56 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#57";>Slide 57 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#58";>Slide 58 http://lsh.io/plugtalk/#59";>Slide 59 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Hrm, I actually haven't tried the slides on a desktop. I imagine click and drag like you would when panning a large image? On Oct 22, 2014 6:31 AM, "Rich Shepard" wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > > > Swipe right > >Oh? How does one do that with a trackball? My LCD monitor is not a touch > screen. > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Ronald Bynoe wrote: > Swipe right Oh? How does one do that with a trackball? My LCD monitor is not a touch screen. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Swipe right On Oct 22, 2014 6:21 AM, "Rich Shepard" wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Leander S. Harding wrote: > > > I've just posted the slides for tonight's talk on my website at > > http://lsh.io/plugtalk for those who can't make it or want to follow > > along on their own machines. > > Leander, > >Nice first slide; no links to view any others (on firefox). > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Leander S. Harding wrote: > I've just posted the slides for tonight's talk on my website at > http://lsh.io/plugtalk for those who can't make it or want to follow > along on their own machines. Leander, Nice first slide; no links to view any others (on firefox). Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Michael Dexter wrote: > On 10/21/14 6:08 PM, Leander S. Harding wrote: >> I've just posted the slides for tonight's talk on my website at >> http://lsh.io/plugtalk for those who can't make it or want to follow >> along on their own machines. > Mindblowing. > > Not for everyone but... wow. > > Michael > > Neat presentation. Lots to think about the tricks of the trade that make life easier. Thanks, Ken ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On 10/21/14 6:08 PM, Leander S. Harding wrote: > I've just posted the slides for tonight's talk on my website at > http://lsh.io/plugtalk for those who can't make it or want to follow > along on their own machines. Mindblowing. Not for everyone but... wow. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
I've just posted the slides for tonight's talk on my website at http://lsh.io/plugtalk for those who can't make it or want to follow along on their own machines. -Leander On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Leander S. Harding wrote: > Sort of? The slides are in HTML format and I've packed them with > links, so you'll be able to easily track down anything I talk about. > > Also remember the stream! > > -Leander > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> Leander S. Harding wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Paul Mullen wrote: I strongly suspect that the speaker is going to demonstrate life without a desktop environment, such as Gnome, KDE, etc., and not life without any graphical user interface, at all. >>> >>> Yes, you've nailed it (source: I'm the speaker tonight). Actually one >>> of the inspirations for this talk has been the number of times I've >>> had to explain the difference between no desktop and no X server - It >>> seems like the distinction isn't well known and so a lot of people are >>> using suboptimal tools for their use cases. >>> >>> To be perfectly direct: this talk is about using Linux effectively on >>> your workstation with X but without Gnome or the like. Some things may >>> be applicable to headless environments, but that's not the focus. >>> >>> Hope to see you all there! >> >> For those of us far past commuting distance, will you be posting >> a recommended reading list? Hint Hint ;/ >> TIA >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Sort of? The slides are in HTML format and I've packed them with links, so you'll be able to easily track down anything I talk about. Also remember the stream! -Leander On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Leander S. Harding wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Paul Mullen wrote: >>> I strongly suspect that the speaker is going to demonstrate life >>> without a desktop environment, such as Gnome, KDE, etc., and not life >>> without any graphical user interface, at all. >> >> Yes, you've nailed it (source: I'm the speaker tonight). Actually one >> of the inspirations for this talk has been the number of times I've >> had to explain the difference between no desktop and no X server - It >> seems like the distinction isn't well known and so a lot of people are >> using suboptimal tools for their use cases. >> >> To be perfectly direct: this talk is about using Linux effectively on >> your workstation with X but without Gnome or the like. Some things may >> be applicable to headless environments, but that's not the focus. >> >> Hope to see you all there! > > For those of us far past commuting distance, will you be posting > a recommended reading list? Hint Hint ;/ > TIA > > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Leander S. Harding wrote: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Paul Mullen wrote: >> I strongly suspect that the speaker is going to demonstrate life >> without a desktop environment, such as Gnome, KDE, etc., and not life >> without any graphical user interface, at all. > > Yes, you've nailed it (source: I'm the speaker tonight). Actually one > of the inspirations for this talk has been the number of times I've > had to explain the difference between no desktop and no X server - It > seems like the distinction isn't well known and so a lot of people are > using suboptimal tools for their use cases. > > To be perfectly direct: this talk is about using Linux effectively on > your workstation with X but without Gnome or the like. Some things may > be applicable to headless environments, but that's not the focus. > > Hope to see you all there! For those of us far past commuting distance, will you be posting a recommended reading list? Hint Hint ;/ TIA ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Michael Dexter wrote: > For what it's worth, I have been streaming and recording most > presentations ( http://pdxlinux.org/live ) but it generally does not > show the on-screen view very well. Which... might matter quite a bit for > this one. There will be a couple of demos of applications and tools, but I've tried to write my slides in such a way that it'd be possible to follow along with only the most rudimentary video feed (to see when I change slides). I'll post the presentation deck on my website (http://lsh.io) later today so remote viewers can grab it before the talk. -Leander ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Paul Mullen wrote: > I strongly suspect that the speaker is going to demonstrate life > without a desktop environment, such as Gnome, KDE, etc., and not life > without any graphical user interface, at all. Yes, you've nailed it (source: I'm the speaker tonight). Actually one of the inspirations for this talk has been the number of times I've had to explain the difference between no desktop and no X server - It seems like the distinction isn't well known and so a lot of people are using suboptimal tools for their use cases. To be perfectly direct: this talk is about using Linux effectively on your workstation with X but without Gnome or the like. Some things may be applicable to headless environments, but that's not the focus. Hope to see you all there! -Leander ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On 10/20/14 5:50 PM, Jon Drews wrote: > This sounds like a great presentation. Is there anyway there could be a > video of this for those of us who can't make it? For what it's worth, I have been streaming and recording most presentations ( http://pdxlinux.org/live ) but it generally does not show the on-screen view very well. Which... might matter quite a bit for this one. As for Desktop-free... do consider how many people run all of their open source operating systems server-side and headless. Michael ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 05:31:34PM -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:05:43 -0700 > Michael Dexter dijo: > > >KDE, Unity, even XFCE, are massive, complex software environments that > >achieve simplicity of user experience through rigid adherence to a > >given paradigm - and once you can write a shell script, they do > >remarkably little for you. We'll discuss philosophy, tools, and > >practical advice for simpler, more reliable, and more powerful > >computing without a desktop environment, surveying everything from > >non-annoying network profile handling to the wide world of mouse-free > >window management and everything in between. > > I can use a minimal desktop like Xfce, but I'm trying to imagine how I > could function without any desktop at all, even if I was a master at > shell scripts, which I most definitely am not. I strongly suspect that the speaker is going to demonstrate life without a desktop environment, such as Gnome, KDE, etc., and not life without any graphical user interface, at all. Such a desktop has the usual X-compatible windowing system, window manager, GUI applications, etc., but lacks the hundreds of megabytes worth of canned applications, preference panels, automagic configurators, and more that you get with desktop environments. A desktop sans desktop environment appeals to power users and/or minimalists that like to work a little closer to the moving parts; dislike the software making assumptions for them; don't have the storage or processor for all-singing-all-dancing desktops; etc. (The terminology can be confusing.) -- Paul Mullen ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:31:34 -0700 John Jason Jordan wrote: > I can use a minimal desktop like Xfce, but I'm trying to imagine how I > could function without any desktop at all, even if I was a master at > shell scripts, which I most definitely am not. > I started my day by writing a couple pages with LO Writer where I > alternated between American English and polytonic Greek, which uses > not only a different alphabet, but up to three diacritics per letter. > Then I wrote several pages for phonetics students where I used the > International Phonetic Alphabet extensively (Unicode 250 to 2AD, plus > a few outside of that block). Then I downloaded a pic from my phone, > spent 15 minutes altering it in the GIMP, then uploaded it to > Craigslist using Firefox. (I am assuming [HAH!] here that X is not running in this scenario. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me. But gently, please. It's been One of Those Days, and I have a strong urge to throw heavy objects through my monitor.) > > Can I do all of this without a desktop environment using just shell > scripts? > Not easily, I think. The writing part is do-able, so long as you don't insist on seeing polytonic Greek characters in your editor. The reason for that is that the Linux VT (which you're stuck with without X running) does not have all of those characters. You would need to use a text processor, like Groff or TeX, and specify your characters that way. Not that while Groff does have some Greek characters, they are for technical communications -- there are no diacritic marks. So you'd have to install a polytonic Greek typeface. I think you'd have to do the same thing for TeX. TeX has modern Greek built in, I think, but that's not what you're looking for. The same goes for the IPA characters; you'd need to install your IPA typeface of choice. Of course, you still need some way of profredding <*grin*> your text, and you can't display a PDF in a VT. You'd have to print it on paper. If you're like me, and check every. little. thing, it would use up a lot of paper. (BTW, if you do want to try Groff or TeX, I _strongly_ suggest using a macro set of some sort. MOM is my choice for Groff; LaTeX is the choice for TeX.) That said, Groff and TeX can both produce some beautiful text. (Now, if X _is_ running, you could fire up the PDF viewer of choice, and you'd be home free. And, since you'd have access to more complete font sets, you could actually see polytonic Greek and IPA in your text editor.) Web access is probably the easiest of the three applications you mentioned. There are a number of text-only web browsers out there. They do take some getting used to, but they are quite practical. Heck, you can even find one or two that run in Emacs (the text editor that thinks it's an operating system). The killer, in my opinion, is the graphical work. Yes, it is possible to modify graphics files from the command line, but it's not exactly intuitive. ImageMagick is probably the best known command-line graphics program for Linux. It has a _lot_ of commands and functions. Each one by itself isn't terribly difficult to learn, but did I mention that there were a lot of them? Plus, using them effectively requires that you learn how to tie them together into a program. Not shell scripting so much as C, Perl, Lisp, and so on. Given your current workload, I doubt you'd like to add learning ImageMagick _and_ a programming language to the list. Anyway, those are my opinions, and they're worth everything you paid for them. Add $3.50 and you can buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks. --Dale -- Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Folks: This sounds like a great presentation. Is there anyway there could be a video of this for those of us who can't make it? On Oct 20, 2014 10:06 AM, "Michael Dexter" wrote: > Portland Linux/Unix Group Advanced Topics Meeting Announcement > > Who: Leander Harding > What: Living Desktop Environment-Free > Where: Free Geek, 1731 SE 10th Avenue, Portland (Left Entrance) > When: Tuesday, October 21st, 2014 at 7pm > Why: The pursuit of technology freedom > Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live/ > > > KDE, Unity, even XFCE, are massive, complex software environments that > achieve simplicity of user experience through rigid adherence to a given > paradigm - and once you can write a shell script, they do remarkably > little for you. We'll discuss philosophy, tools, and practical advice > for simpler, more reliable, and more powerful computing without a > desktop environment, surveying everything from non-annoying network > profile handling to the wide world of mouse-free window management and > everything in between. > > Leander Harding is a developer at Cloud Four and a longtime Linux user. > He's been running desktop environment-free since 2007. > > Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250467060 > > Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 915 SE Hawthorne Blvd. after the > meeting. > > Rideshares Available > > PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/ > Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux > > PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its > mailing lists or at its meetings. > > > See you there! > > Michael Dexter > PLUG Volunteer > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:05:43 -0700 Michael Dexter dijo: >KDE, Unity, even XFCE, are massive, complex software environments that >achieve simplicity of user experience through rigid adherence to a >given paradigm - and once you can write a shell script, they do >remarkably little for you. We'll discuss philosophy, tools, and >practical advice for simpler, more reliable, and more powerful >computing without a desktop environment, surveying everything from >non-annoying network profile handling to the wide world of mouse-free >window management and everything in between. I can use a minimal desktop like Xfce, but I'm trying to imagine how I could function without any desktop at all, even if I was a master at shell scripts, which I most definitely am not. I started my day by writing a couple pages with LO Writer where I alternated between American English and polytonic Greek, which uses not only a different alphabet, but up to three diacritics per letter. Then I wrote several pages for phonetics students where I used the International Phonetic Alphabet extensively (Unicode 250 to 2AD, plus a few outside of that block). Then I downloaded a pic from my phone, spent 15 minutes altering it in the GIMP, then uploaded it to Craigslist using Firefox. Can I do all of this without a desktop environment using just shell scripts? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] TUESDAY: October PLUG Advanced Topics: Living Desktop Environment-Free
Portland Linux/Unix Group Advanced Topics Meeting Announcement Who: Leander Harding What: Living Desktop Environment-Free Where: Free Geek, 1731 SE 10th Avenue, Portland (Left Entrance) When: Tuesday, October 21st, 2014 at 7pm Why: The pursuit of technology freedom Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live/ KDE, Unity, even XFCE, are massive, complex software environments that achieve simplicity of user experience through rigid adherence to a given paradigm - and once you can write a shell script, they do remarkably little for you. We'll discuss philosophy, tools, and practical advice for simpler, more reliable, and more powerful computing without a desktop environment, surveying everything from non-annoying network profile handling to the wide world of mouse-free window management and everything in between. Leander Harding is a developer at Cloud Four and a longtime Linux user. He's been running desktop environment-free since 2007. Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250467060 Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 915 SE Hawthorne Blvd. after the meeting. Rideshares Available PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/ Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its mailing lists or at its meetings. See you there! Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
