Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
Tried Firefox with NoScript addon? [May run faster with less script run] If no-script does not "know" Main site, can temp-Trusted or trusted scripts then other scripting site may appear to be needed [never trusted FaceBook] Funny story, a few years ago 3 large online Tax prep sites sent USER TAX data to FACEBOOK. If script was untrusted from FACEBOOK [or in hosts file] no tax data for facebook On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Any browser based on the Chromium engine can only display a max of 6 > stream windows and most modern security cameras are outputting in H.264 > mpeg video format of which Chromium does not have an encoder built in. > However, there are builds of Chromium out there that have that codec added > and will have no problems with the security cam output. > > Microsoft has an H.264 codec available for 99 cents that will go into > Windows and the browsers will offload to it if it's present. > > Ted > > -Original Message- > From: PLUG On Behalf Of Chuck Hast > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 7:43 AM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations > > I have been using a browser called Vivaldi of late. I have a batch of IP > cameras that I monitor. Chrome was giving me fits with some of them, > Firefox others, somehow or another I tripped over Vivaldi. Read the info on > it pulled it down and gave it a try. I use it for presentations regarding > the Amateur radio network called AREDN. Vivaldi lets me jump from live > screen to live screen with no issues. I have some cameras that Chrome does > not want to display, Vivaldi displays them all and it appears to be quite > fast. > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 3:28 AM MC_Sequoia > wrote: > > > "I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value > > the privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as > possible. > > > > That's my main concern." > > > > I take privacy & security pretty seriously and I'm also very > > anti-corporate. One of things I actually like about Google is that in > > my Google account settings I can disable all of the tracking, history > > as well as see what 2rd party apps/sites are allowed to connect to my > > Google account. > > > > There's a high degree of control and transparency, in my very > > non-security/privacy professional opinion. Last summer I was locked > > out of my Google account that I had 2 factor auth setup on for over a > > week after I lost my phone. I had to go through a quite involved > > security process to recover my account even with them having my name, > phone number and address. > > > > One common privacy recommendation for any browser is to use a few well > > known & well reviewed browser extensions such as Cookie Autodelete, > > uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and HTTPS Everywhere. > > > > More info here - > > https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/online-privacy-change- > > these-browser-settings-asap/ > > > > Lastly, I don't know if this was mentioned but you can also set the > > Brave search engine as your default search engine. More info here - > > https://search.brave.com/default > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
Any browser based on the Chromium engine can only display a max of 6 stream windows and most modern security cameras are outputting in H.264 mpeg video format of which Chromium does not have an encoder built in. However, there are builds of Chromium out there that have that codec added and will have no problems with the security cam output. Microsoft has an H.264 codec available for 99 cents that will go into Windows and the browsers will offload to it if it's present. Ted -Original Message- From: PLUG On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 7:43 AM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations I have been using a browser called Vivaldi of late. I have a batch of IP cameras that I monitor. Chrome was giving me fits with some of them, Firefox others, somehow or another I tripped over Vivaldi. Read the info on it pulled it down and gave it a try. I use it for presentations regarding the Amateur radio network called AREDN. Vivaldi lets me jump from live screen to live screen with no issues. I have some cameras that Chrome does not want to display, Vivaldi displays them all and it appears to be quite fast. On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 3:28 AM MC_Sequoia wrote: > "I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value > the privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as possible. > > That's my main concern." > > I take privacy & security pretty seriously and I'm also very > anti-corporate. One of things I actually like about Google is that in > my Google account settings I can disable all of the tracking, history > as well as see what 2rd party apps/sites are allowed to connect to my > Google account. > > There's a high degree of control and transparency, in my very > non-security/privacy professional opinion. Last summer I was locked > out of my Google account that I had 2 factor auth setup on for over a > week after I lost my phone. I had to go through a quite involved > security process to recover my account even with them having my name, phone > number and address. > > One common privacy recommendation for any browser is to use a few well > known & well reviewed browser extensions such as Cookie Autodelete, > uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and HTTPS Everywhere. > > More info here - > https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/online-privacy-change- > these-browser-settings-asap/ > > Lastly, I don't know if this was mentioned but you can also set the > Brave search engine as your default search engine. More info here - > https://search.brave.com/default > > > > > >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
Sorry it did not build on the older OS. But it has certainly been a big help to me. I hope it can be of use to you. On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 9:50 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > I have been using a browser called Vivaldi of late. I have a batch of IP > > cameras that I monitor. Chrome was giving me fits with some of them, > > Firefox others, somehow or another I tripped over Vivaldi. Read the info > > on it pulled it down and gave it a try. I use it for presentations > > regarding the Amateur radio network called AREDN. Vivaldi lets me jump > > from live screen to live screen with no issues. I have some cameras that > > Chrome does not want to display, Vivaldi displays them all and it appears > > to be quite fast. > > Thanks, Chuck. I found Vivaldi and, while it won't build in my older OS > version, it does in my current OS version. > > Regards, > > Rich >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Chuck Hast wrote: I have been using a browser called Vivaldi of late. I have a batch of IP cameras that I monitor. Chrome was giving me fits with some of them, Firefox others, somehow or another I tripped over Vivaldi. Read the info on it pulled it down and gave it a try. I use it for presentations regarding the Amateur radio network called AREDN. Vivaldi lets me jump from live screen to live screen with no issues. I have some cameras that Chrome does not want to display, Vivaldi displays them all and it appears to be quite fast. Thanks, Chuck. I found Vivaldi and, while it won't build in my older OS version, it does in my current OS version. Regards, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
I have been using a browser called Vivaldi of late. I have a batch of IP cameras that I monitor. Chrome was giving me fits with some of them, Firefox others, somehow or another I tripped over Vivaldi. Read the info on it pulled it down and gave it a try. I use it for presentations regarding the Amateur radio network called AREDN. Vivaldi lets me jump from live screen to live screen with no issues. I have some cameras that Chrome does not want to display, Vivaldi displays them all and it appears to be quite fast. On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 3:28 AM MC_Sequoia wrote: > "I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value the > privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as possible. > > That's my main concern." > > I take privacy & security pretty seriously and I'm also very > anti-corporate. One of things I actually like about Google is that in my > Google account settings I can disable all of the tracking, history as well > as see what 2rd party apps/sites are allowed to connect to my Google > account. > > There's a high degree of control and transparency, in my very > non-security/privacy professional opinion. Last summer I was locked out of > my Google account that I had 2 factor auth setup on for over a week after I > lost my phone. I had to go through a quite involved security process to > recover my account even with them having my name, phone number and address. > > One common privacy recommendation for any browser is to use a few well > known & well reviewed browser extensions such as Cookie Autodelete, uBlock > Origin, Privacy Badger and HTTPS Everywhere. > > More info here - > https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/online-privacy-change-these-browser-settings-asap/ > > Lastly, I don't know if this was mentioned but you can also set the Brave > search engine as your default search engine. More info here - > https://search.brave.com/default > > > > > >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
"I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value the privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as possible. That's my main concern." I take privacy & security pretty seriously and I'm also very anti-corporate. One of things I actually like about Google is that in my Google account settings I can disable all of the tracking, history as well as see what 2rd party apps/sites are allowed to connect to my Google account. There's a high degree of control and transparency, in my very non-security/privacy professional opinion. Last summer I was locked out of my Google account that I had 2 factor auth setup on for over a week after I lost my phone. I had to go through a quite involved security process to recover my account even with them having my name, phone number and address. One common privacy recommendation for any browser is to use a few well known & well reviewed browser extensions such as Cookie Autodelete, uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and HTTPS Everywhere. More info here - https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/online-privacy-change-these-browser-settings-asap/ Lastly, I don't know if this was mentioned but you can also set the Brave search engine as your default search engine. More info here - https://search.brave.com/default
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
WAIT! You're telling me Chrome is based on Chromium? I'M SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU. On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 15:50 Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > Rich, you are a candidate for: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium > > https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium > > Compile it yourself and you are off to the races. > > Ted, > > I recall reading a while ago that Chromium is the source code for Chrome. > I've used Chromium in the past so I'll look at it again. > > Thanks, > > Rich >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On 6/2/24 06:38, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sun, 2 Jun 2024, King Beowulf wrote: > >> I'll add a vote for trying chromium-ungoogled. I use Firefox for most >> stuff, but every so often, especially my bank and my corporate overlord's >> "web-apps" on some Microsoft "cloud" server, Firefox is a pariah. > Ed, > > Installing AlienBOB's package showed me the difference between vanilla > chromium and the -ungoogled version: a blank page when invoked. > > There's an issue using it: GKrellm shows constand ~25% CPU activity (for all > 8 cores/16 threads), both user and system. Neither Brave nor Firefox show > any CPU usage. Is this normal or unique to me? > > I tried adding Brave's bookmarks but that apparently failed as displaying > the side panel did nothing. > > Rich, Seems ok here on my box- nary a CPU blip in gkrellm. I was able to load a heavy site and saw chromium-ungoogle pop up to ~18% briefly and drop back once the page loaded (via htop). I have a AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core. I don't have Brave. I had not yet imported Firefox bookmarks, so did, and was successful. They did not show up in the main bookmark panel You may want to open the bookmark menu or bookmark manager and look for "Imported from..." -Ed
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Sun, 2 Jun 2024, King Beowulf wrote: I'll add a vote for trying chromium-ungoogled. I use Firefox for most stuff, but every so often, especially my bank and my corporate overlord's "web-apps" on some Microsoft "cloud" server, Firefox is a pariah. Ed, Installing AlienBOB's package showed me the difference between vanilla chromium and the -ungoogled version: a blank page when invoked. There's an issue using it: GKrellm shows constand ~25% CPU activity (for all 8 cores/16 threads), both user and system. Neither Brave nor Firefox show any CPU usage. Is this normal or unique to me? I tried adding Brave's bookmarks but that apparently failed as displaying the side panel did nothing. Regards, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On 6/1/24 15:50, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Rich, you are a candidate for: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium >> https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium >> Compile it yourself and you are off to the races. > Ted, > > I recall reading a while ago that Chromium is the source code for Chrome. > I've used Chromium in the past so I'll look at it again. > > Thanks, > > Rich Rich, I'll add a vote for trying chromium-ungoogled. I use Firefox for most stuff, but every so often, especially my bank and my corporate overlord's "web-apps" on some Microsoft "cloud" server, Firefox is a pariah. -Ed
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Rich, you are a candidate for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium Compile it yourself and you are off to the races. Ted, I recall reading a while ago that Chromium is the source code for Chrome. I've used Chromium in the past so I'll look at it again. Thanks, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
Rich, you are a candidate for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium Compile it yourself and you are off to the races. Ted -Original Message- From: PLUG On Behalf Of Rich Shepard Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 7:54 AM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Subject: Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, MC_Sequoia wrote: > I'm curious to know what exactly you're trying to about Google? Is it > their browser?, their search engine or both? Mike, I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value the privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as possible. That's my main concern. Regards, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, Michael Ewan wrote: As long as you are not using Google's Chrome browser you should be fine. Michael, I've used chromium in the past. The only time I had to use Chrome was for a presentation to a business trade association. Their conference software would not work with any browser other than Chrome. As previously mentioned, change your default search engine to DuckDuckGo, That's the search engine I've used for many years. Somewhat tongue in cheek, if you want real privacy you should use the Tor browser (based on Firefox) which will encrypt and route your traffic through three hops masking your IP address and other identifying information. You will get a performance hit because it will route you through Europe. I've seen that suggestion before but since it's the browser used by those inhabititing the dark web, and I don't worry about my browsing being seen since it's not before ever been an issue, the slower performance of TOR is another negative factor. Many thanks, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
As long as you are not using Google's Chrome browser you should be fine. Any of the other major browsers should work for you, including Brave (even though based on Chrome). As previously mentioned, change your default search engine to DuckDuckGo, and do not create an account at the browser vendor of syncing stuff. Somewhat tongue in cheek, if you want real privacy you should use the Tor browser (based on Firefox) which will encrypt and route your traffic through three hops masking your IP address and other identifying information. You will get a performance hit because it will route you through Europe. On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 7:55 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, MC_Sequoia wrote: > > > I'm curious to know what exactly you're trying to about Google? Is it > > their browser?, their search engine or both? > > Mike, > > I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value the > privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as possible. > > That's my main concern. > > Regards, > > Rich >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, MC_Sequoia wrote: I'm curious to know what exactly you're trying to about Google? Is it their browser?, their search engine or both? Mike, I find Google to be quite intrusive and I'm at an age where I value the privacies we used to have and try to retain as much of them as possible. That's my main concern. Regards, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
"I try to avoid Google as much as I can so I've been using the Brave Browser for a while now." -- I'm curious to know what exactly you're trying to about Google? Is it their browser?, their search engine or both? I ask because you can change the default search engine in the browser to DuckDuckGo or you can just do all your web searching via the Brave web search page. "I'd like suggestions for a robust and reliable browser to replace Brave." My suggestion would be to try a couple from this '18 Must-Try Web Browsers for Linux Users in 2024' list, https://www.tecmint.com/linux-web-browsers/ The 2 most interesting on the list to me is Waterfox and Midori. Waterfox is probably the next closest to Brave with the "private tabs with private search" feature. https://www.waterfox.net/ One thing to maybe consider is that if you don't have to have all the latest & bleeding edge web tech. bells & whistles you might be like a simpler, lightweight and faster but less feature rich browser that just works. Maybe something like Konquerer or Epiphany. HTH, ~mc~
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Fri, 31 May 2024, Bill Barry wrote: Brave is based on chromium as is Chrome so I don't know exactly what you are avoiding by using Brave instead of Chrome. Both Firefox and Chrome are really good browsers. Each have their strong and weak points. Bill, Yes, it seems that many browsers are based on Chromium. I do like Brave, but too often it fails to load, and when I re-load it all logins are lost. It's a PITA to re-do them all when I go to those web sites. Regardless, I'll switch this desktop this weekend to run Slackware64-15.0 and see how Brave works when rebuilt on that OS version. Thanks, Rich
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On Fri, May 31, 2024, 8:10 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > I try to avoid Google as much as I can so I've been using the Brave Browser > for a while now. But, too frequently when I try to load the application it > fails; displays a blank white window which means I kill the process and try > again. This loses all stored login information (other than passwords, of > course) for frequently accessed servers such as the library. > > Seems to me that my choices are Firefox (which I had used for many years), > Chrome/Chromium, or a derivative from Chrome. I'd like suggestions for a > robust and reliable browser to replace Brave. > > TIA, > > Rich > Brave is based on chromium as is Chrome so I don't know exactly what you are avoiding by using Brave instead of Chrome. Both Firefox and Chrome are really good browsers. Each have their strong and weak points. Bill >
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Fri, 31 May 2024, Eldo Varghese wrote: I dont think firefox is any less secure than the other big browsers. Can you talk more about why you recall that? Eldo, It seemed to be mentioned on some web pages a while ago and I don't remember what were the issues. Regards, Rich
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I dont think firefox is any less secure than the other big browsers. Can you talk more about why you recall that? -Eldo On 5/31/24 11:05 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2024, Eldo Varghese wrote: > >> My vote is ye olde firefox. >> old reliable imho. > > Eldo, > > How secure is it? I recall that it wasn't back when I used it. > > Thanks, > > Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Fri, 31 May 2024, Eldo Varghese wrote: My vote is ye olde firefox. old reliable imho. Eldo, How secure is it? I recall that it wasn't back when I used it. Thanks, Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
My vote is ye olde firefox. old reliable imho. -Eldo On 5/31/24 7:02 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2024, Michael Ewan wrote: > >> The leading alternative is Opera, highly configurable and stable (but I >> have not used it all day everyday for some time). I primarily use Brave >> now. > > Michael, > > I used Opera a long time ago. I'll take a look at it now. > > Thanks, > > Rich
Re: [PLUG] Web browser recommendations
On Fri, 31 May 2024, Michael Ewan wrote: The leading alternative is Opera, highly configurable and stable (but I have not used it all day everyday for some time). I primarily use Brave now. Michael, I used Opera a long time ago. I'll take a look at it now. Thanks, Rich
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The leading alternative is Opera, highly configurable and stable (but I have not used it all day everyday for some time). I primarily use Brave now. On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 6:10 AM Rich Shepard wrote: > I try to avoid Google as much as I can so I've been using the Brave Browser > for a while now. But, too frequently when I try to load the application it > fails; displays a blank white window which means I kill the process and try > again. This loses all stored login information (other than passwords, of > course) for frequently accessed servers such as the library. > > Seems to me that my choices are Firefox (which I had used for many years), > Chrome/Chromium, or a derivative from Chrome. I'd like suggestions for a > robust and reliable browser to replace Brave. > > TIA, > > Rich > >
[PLUG] Web browser recommendations
I try to avoid Google as much as I can so I've been using the Brave Browser for a while now. But, too frequently when I try to load the application it fails; displays a blank white window which means I kill the process and try again. This loses all stored login information (other than passwords, of course) for frequently accessed servers such as the library. Seems to me that my choices are Firefox (which I had used for many years), Chrome/Chromium, or a derivative from Chrome. I'd like suggestions for a robust and reliable browser to replace Brave. TIA, Rich
