Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
Zeroconf, that's what I was thinking of. I thought Avahi was standard on Debian these days? Then again, who knows what's actually running out there in the weeds past Estacada... -wes On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Larry Brigman wrote: > The local 169.254 address is part of zeroconf. If that package (avahi on > some distros) isn't loaded or the service is disabled/not running then > there won't be any autoconfiguration. > I did see that one of the interfaces was up with link(UP,LOWER_UP) in the > output. > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:48 PM wes wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Tyrell Jentink > > wrote: > > > > > What are you even on about? It's a network device... "Gates and > Company" > > > uses a really complicated, error prone piece of crap sync software to > do > > a > > > one-time sync from a system running an old version of Windows to a > system > > > running a newer version of Windows... Linux can very very certainly > > > outperform it... What we can't help you with is what you aren't > > explaining: > > > > > > > I haven't followed every detail of this thread, so I apologize if the > > following is a repeat of some earlier post. > > > > This is the device he's working with: > > > > https://sewelldirect.com/usb2bridgecable > > > > http://prolificusa.com/product/pl25a1-hi-speed-usb- > host-host-bridge-controller/ > > http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?pcid=43 > > > > I've just ordered one so I can play with it for a bit myself. Perhaps at > > the next Linux Clinic, if we have time, we can invite Richard to > > participate remotely. > > > > I also found the following writeups of people doing similar things with > > this device: > > > > > > http://paulswasteland.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting- > prolific-pl-2501-based-usb-to.html > > > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux- > networking-3/host-to-host-cable%3B-no-usb0-779573/ > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/516923 > > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131042 > > > > The last one suggests that it "just works" - the previous 3 are older and > > talk about requiring a patch to a kernel module to get this cable to > work. > > We don't really know what Richard's particular situation is. > > > > I do realize that network interfaces are created; however the lack of > > autoconfig and the "state UNKNOWN" worry me. He should at least be > getting > > a self-generated 169.254 address. > > > > I also realize it can be frustrating when advice is offered to someone > and > > they ask the same question again as if you hadn't said anything in the > > first place. Usually I find in these cases that it comes from the other > > person misunderstanding the advice. I do this not infrequently, though > now > > that I'm familiar with this behavioral quirk, I will admit to it. If this > > is so frustrating to you that you feel the need to become cross about > it, I > > would have to suggest that you decline to reply further. Others are > likely > > to take up the baton in your place. This is a group effort, after all. > > > > -wes > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
The local 169.254 address is part of zeroconf. If that package (avahi on some distros) isn't loaded or the service is disabled/not running then there won't be any autoconfiguration. I did see that one of the interfaces was up with link(UP,LOWER_UP) in the output. On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:48 PM wes wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Tyrell Jentink > wrote: > > > What are you even on about? It's a network device... "Gates and Company" > > uses a really complicated, error prone piece of crap sync software to do > a > > one-time sync from a system running an old version of Windows to a system > > running a newer version of Windows... Linux can very very certainly > > outperform it... What we can't help you with is what you aren't > explaining: > > > > I haven't followed every detail of this thread, so I apologize if the > following is a repeat of some earlier post. > > This is the device he's working with: > > https://sewelldirect.com/usb2bridgecable > > http://prolificusa.com/product/pl25a1-hi-speed-usb-host-host-bridge-controller/ > http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?pcid=43 > > I've just ordered one so I can play with it for a bit myself. Perhaps at > the next Linux Clinic, if we have time, we can invite Richard to > participate remotely. > > I also found the following writeups of people doing similar things with > this device: > > > http://paulswasteland.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-prolific-pl-2501-based-usb-to.html > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/host-to-host-cable%3B-no-usb0-779573/ > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/516923 > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131042 > > The last one suggests that it "just works" - the previous 3 are older and > talk about requiring a patch to a kernel module to get this cable to work. > We don't really know what Richard's particular situation is. > > I do realize that network interfaces are created; however the lack of > autoconfig and the "state UNKNOWN" worry me. He should at least be getting > a self-generated 169.254 address. > > I also realize it can be frustrating when advice is offered to someone and > they ask the same question again as if you hadn't said anything in the > first place. Usually I find in these cases that it comes from the other > person misunderstanding the advice. I do this not infrequently, though now > that I'm familiar with this behavioral quirk, I will admit to it. If this > is so frustrating to you that you feel the need to become cross about it, I > would have to suggest that you decline to reply further. Others are likely > to take up the baton in your place. This is a group effort, after all. > > -wes > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote: > What are you even on about? It's a network device... "Gates and Company" > uses a really complicated, error prone piece of crap sync software to do a > one-time sync from a system running an old version of Windows to a system > running a newer version of Windows... Linux can very very certainly > outperform it... What we can't help you with is what you aren't explaining: > I haven't followed every detail of this thread, so I apologize if the following is a repeat of some earlier post. This is the device he's working with: https://sewelldirect.com/usb2bridgecable http://prolificusa.com/product/pl25a1-hi-speed-usb-host-host-bridge-controller/ http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?pcid=43 I've just ordered one so I can play with it for a bit myself. Perhaps at the next Linux Clinic, if we have time, we can invite Richard to participate remotely. I also found the following writeups of people doing similar things with this device: http://paulswasteland.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-prolific-pl-2501-based-usb-to.html https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/host-to-host-cable%3B-no-usb0-779573/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/516923 https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131042 The last one suggests that it "just works" - the previous 3 are older and talk about requiring a patch to a kernel module to get this cable to work. We don't really know what Richard's particular situation is. I do realize that network interfaces are created; however the lack of autoconfig and the "state UNKNOWN" worry me. He should at least be getting a self-generated 169.254 address. I also realize it can be frustrating when advice is offered to someone and they ask the same question again as if you hadn't said anything in the first place. Usually I find in these cases that it comes from the other person misunderstanding the advice. I do this not infrequently, though now that I'm familiar with this behavioral quirk, I will admit to it. If this is so frustrating to you that you feel the need to become cross about it, I would have to suggest that you decline to reply further. Others are likely to take up the baton in your place. This is a group effort, after all. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2350138
That forum question addresses the issues at hand very well... You are using
a USB cable that emulates an Ethernet adapter, so switch out device names
accordingly, but there is literally no distinction from the software side.
IF IT WERE ME, I would do the file transfer through SSH/SCP: Install/Enable
SSH on one side, and use scp on the other side... He does offer advice on
the details in the answer above.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 14:56 Chuck Hast wrote:
> You know, I had this running with one of my cell phones and not
> intentionally,
> I would plug the thing into one of my laptops and it would setup the usual
> connection to move files around, BUT it would also setup a network
> connection,
> trying to use the cellular as another network path out (as if the Ethernet
> and
> WiFi connections did not count) It was such a PITA that one day I got tired
> of
> having to go in and kill it so I went in and killed it for good.
>
> But if you did an ifconfig you saw a network connection with assigned IP
> addys
> and all. I will see if I can get it to do so again, and try to see if I can
> get you
> the info on what it did.
>
> I did NOTHING to the system it did it all, the phone was and AT Android
> phone, a Galaxy S5 rugged.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Richard Owlett
> wrote:
>
> > On 06/24/2018 10:01 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
> >
> >> On 06/24/2018 07:24 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 06/23/2018 11:09 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:>
> >>>
> Similarly for either end of cable plugged in to receptacle 1.
>
>
> richard@debian-jan13:~$ # left end of cable in receptacle 1
> richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
> enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
>
> richard@debian-jan13:~$ # right end of cable in receptacle 1
> richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
> enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
>
> >>>
> >>> I realize this is part learning experience for you, but I don't think
> >>> you necessarily need to be exploring the bowels of the sysfs
> (/sys/...) for
> >>> this. Please post the output of the 'ip addr' command on both ends.
> You
> >>> may already have a working connection between the two machines.
> >>>
> >>> galen
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oops. I meant to send that to the plug list. Please reply on the list.
> >>
> >>
> > This is ~ 1/2 of what you requested
> > I ran this on my laptop with only cable connected
> > The relevant lines begins "57:"
> >
> > root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# ip addr
> > 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
> > default qlen 1
> > link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> > inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
> >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> > inet6 ::1/128 scope host
> >valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> > 2: enp0s25: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> > state DOWN group default qlen 1000
> > link/ether f0:de:f1:0c:d5:db brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > 57: enp0s26u1u1u1: mtu 1500 qdisc
> > pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
> > link/ether 52:95:7f:8a:28:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > inet6 fe80::5095:7fff:fe8a:2857/64 scope link
> >
> > This was run on my laptop with nothing but mouse and cable connected.
> > I do not have a flash drive available to report what the desktop saw {via
> > sneaker net}
> >
> > To create context I will quote your post saying:>>> I realize this is
> part
> > learning experience for you, ...
> >
> > This project originally started in order to transfer files between a
> > laptop and a desktop without benefit of flash_drive &/or sneaker_net.
> > I purchased a thingy which claimed to do that in a WindoZe environment.
> >
> > Can Linux not outperform Gates & co?
> >
> > An underlying question is "Why *NOT*"?
> > There is an underlying comment.
> > Debian (Linux in general) has known what to do with absolutely *ANY* USB
> > device used. Why *NOT* this item? ?? ??? :<
> >
> > I cannot see that the "system" lacks info.
> > It needs to be told what to do with it.
> >
> > P.S. I was dealing with "customer"/"tech" support half century ago.
> > *NOT* same industry ;/ But you learn what are useful questions.
> > I'm missing something ;/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Ph 4:13 KJV
> Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
You know, I had this running with one of my cell phones and not
intentionally,
I would plug the thing into one of my laptops and it would setup the usual
connection to move files around, BUT it would also setup a network
connection,
trying to use the cellular as another network path out (as if the Ethernet
and
WiFi connections did not count) It was such a PITA that one day I got tired
of
having to go in and kill it so I went in and killed it for good.
But if you did an ifconfig you saw a network connection with assigned IP
addys
and all. I will see if I can get it to do so again, and try to see if I can
get you
the info on what it did.
I did NOTHING to the system it did it all, the phone was and AT Android
phone, a Galaxy S5 rugged.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/24/2018 10:01 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
>
>> On 06/24/2018 07:24 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/23/2018 11:09 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:>
>>>
Similarly for either end of cable plugged in to receptacle 1.
richard@debian-jan13:~$ # left end of cable in receptacle 1
richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
richard@debian-jan13:~$ # right end of cable in receptacle 1
richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
>>>
>>> I realize this is part learning experience for you, but I don't think
>>> you necessarily need to be exploring the bowels of the sysfs (/sys/...) for
>>> this. Please post the output of the 'ip addr' command on both ends. You
>>> may already have a working connection between the two machines.
>>>
>>> galen
>>>
>>
>> Oops. I meant to send that to the plug list. Please reply on the list.
>>
>>
> This is ~ 1/2 of what you requested
> I ran this on my laptop with only cable connected
> The relevant lines begins "57:"
>
> root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# ip addr
> 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
> default qlen 1
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: enp0s25: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> state DOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether f0:de:f1:0c:d5:db brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 57: enp0s26u1u1u1: mtu 1500 qdisc
> pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether 52:95:7f:8a:28:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet6 fe80::5095:7fff:fe8a:2857/64 scope link
>
> This was run on my laptop with nothing but mouse and cable connected.
> I do not have a flash drive available to report what the desktop saw {via
> sneaker net}
>
> To create context I will quote your post saying:>>> I realize this is part
> learning experience for you, ...
>
> This project originally started in order to transfer files between a
> laptop and a desktop without benefit of flash_drive &/or sneaker_net.
> I purchased a thingy which claimed to do that in a WindoZe environment.
>
> Can Linux not outperform Gates & co?
>
> An underlying question is "Why *NOT*"?
> There is an underlying comment.
> Debian (Linux in general) has known what to do with absolutely *ANY* USB
> device used. Why *NOT* this item? ?? ??? :<
>
> I cannot see that the "system" lacks info.
> It needs to be told what to do with it.
>
> P.S. I was dealing with "customer"/"tech" support half century ago.
> *NOT* same industry ;/ But you learn what are useful questions.
> I'm missing something ;/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
What are you even on about? It's a network device... "Gates and Company"
uses a really complicated, error prone piece of crap sync software to do a
one-time sync from a system running an old version of Windows to a system
running a newer version of Windows... Linux can very very certainly
outperform it... What we can't help you with is what you aren't explaining:
What are you trying to do?
If the answer is "Kludge this cable I know nothing about into sharing files
from one system to another," the answer appears to be simple, and we have
told you OVER and OVER:
You plug it into two computers.
You configure a static network connection on each side (Exactly like you
would with any network)
Then you share the files with {scp|rsync|Samba|NFS, or any other file
sharing technology you so choose),
And your done.
What are you asking?
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 14:10 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/24/2018 10:01 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
> > On 06/24/2018 07:24 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
> >> On 06/23/2018 11:09 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:>
> >>> Similarly for either end of cable plugged in to receptacle 1.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> richard@debian-jan13:~$ # left end of cable in receptacle 1
> >>> richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
> >>> enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
> >>>
> >>> richard@debian-jan13:~$ # right end of cable in receptacle 1
> >>> richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
> >>> enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
> >>
> >> I realize this is part learning experience for you, but I don't think
> >> you necessarily need to be exploring the bowels of the sysfs
> >> (/sys/...) for this. Please post the output of the 'ip addr' command
> >> on both ends. You may already have a working connection between the
> >> two machines.
> >>
> >> galen
> >
> > Oops. I meant to send that to the plug list. Please reply on the list.
> >
>
> This is ~ 1/2 of what you requested
> I ran this on my laptop with only cable connected
> The relevant lines begins "57:"
>
> root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# ip addr
> 1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
> group default qlen 1
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: enp0s25: mtu 1500 qdisc
> pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether f0:de:f1:0c:d5:db brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 57: enp0s26u1u1u1: mtu 1500 qdisc
> pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether 52:95:7f:8a:28:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet6 fe80::5095:7fff:fe8a:2857/64 scope link
>
> This was run on my laptop with nothing but mouse and cable connected.
> I do not have a flash drive available to report what the desktop saw
> {via sneaker net}
>
> To create context I will quote your post saying:>>> I realize this is
> part learning experience for you, ...
>
> This project originally started in order to transfer files between a
> laptop and a desktop without benefit of flash_drive &/or sneaker_net.
> I purchased a thingy which claimed to do that in a WindoZe environment.
>
> Can Linux not outperform Gates & co?
>
> An underlying question is "Why *NOT*"?
> There is an underlying comment.
> Debian (Linux in general) has known what to do with absolutely *ANY* USB
> device used. Why *NOT* this item? ?? ??? :<
>
> I cannot see that the "system" lacks info.
> It needs to be told what to do with it.
>
> P.S. I was dealing with "customer"/"tech" support half century ago.
> *NOT* same industry ;/ But you learn what are useful questions.
> I'm missing something ;/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On 06/24/2018 10:01 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
On 06/24/2018 07:24 AM, Galen Seitz wrote:
On 06/23/2018 11:09 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:>
Similarly for either end of cable plugged in to receptacle 1.
richard@debian-jan13:~$ # left end of cable in receptacle 1
richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
richard@debian-jan13:~$ # right end of cable in receptacle 1
richard@debian-jan13:~$ ls /sys/class/net/
enp0s25 enp0s29u1u1u1 lo
I realize this is part learning experience for you, but I don't think
you necessarily need to be exploring the bowels of the sysfs
(/sys/...) for this. Please post the output of the 'ip addr' command
on both ends. You may already have a working connection between the
two machines.
galen
Oops. I meant to send that to the plug list. Please reply on the list.
This is ~ 1/2 of what you requested
I ran this on my laptop with only cable connected
The relevant lines begins "57:"
root@debian-jan13:/home/richard# ip addr
1: lo: mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
group default qlen 1
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp0s25: mtu 1500 qdisc
pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether f0:de:f1:0c:d5:db brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
57: enp0s26u1u1u1: mtu 1500 qdisc
pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
link/ether 52:95:7f:8a:28:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet6 fe80::5095:7fff:fe8a:2857/64 scope link
This was run on my laptop with nothing but mouse and cable connected.
I do not have a flash drive available to report what the desktop saw
{via sneaker net}
To create context I will quote your post saying:>>> I realize this is
part learning experience for you, ...
This project originally started in order to transfer files between a
laptop and a desktop without benefit of flash_drive &/or sneaker_net.
I purchased a thingy which claimed to do that in a WindoZe environment.
Can Linux not outperform Gates & co?
An underlying question is "Why *NOT*"?
There is an underlying comment.
Debian (Linux in general) has known what to do with absolutely *ANY* USB
device used. Why *NOT* this item? ?? ??? :<
I cannot see that the "system" lacks info.
It needs to be told what to do with it.
P.S. I was dealing with "customer"/"tech" support half century ago.
*NOT* same industry ;/ But you learn what are useful questions.
I'm missing something ;/
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Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
Now that you mention it, a number of them do closely resemble musical instruments. Regarding your next query: They do eat small creatures, but do not generally play with them. J. Hart On 06/24/2018 02:36 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: Off topic, you write "raise" not grow plants. That, in my mind, entails education. Do they speak French, play an instrument or play with kids after Sunday's lunch? Tomas ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
Thank you for wonderful introduction. You could teach us interesting trick or two. Off topic, you write "raise" not grow plants. That, in my mind, entails education. Do they speak French, play an instrument or play with kids after Sunday's lunch? Tomas On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 10:09 AM J. Hart wrote: > I have been following your activities both on the PLUG list and > via live streaming from the meetings for the last couple of months, and > thought it might be time to introduce myself. > > My name is Joseph Hart. I am originally from Niagara Falls, NY, > and have been working with electronics and computers since the late > 1960's. I lived in Japan for over 14 years working as a scientific > progammer at a leading Kyoto area research laboratory in the fields of > artificial life (Alife) and robotics. My wife and I moved to Western NY > when they closed my section several years ago. I've pretty heavily > involved with Linux itself for over twenty years, having started to use > it when the lab began a changeover from the many other Unix systems they > were using at the time (ex. SunOS/Solaris, IRIX, HP-UX, AIX, various > Connection Machines, etc). > > I've got about 40 or so machines of various types (not all on at > the same time...:-), including a goodly number of SGI boxes, five Amigas > of various models, a number of miniaturized Japanese machines not > available in the US, and of course a Raspberry PI. > > Many of these machines run a "distribution" of Linux which I > designed and built entirely from source code. I originally did this > about 10 years ago on an old 32 bit x86 machine just to see how far I > could get with it. I liked the result so much that I kept it, and have > since done a full X86_64 (64 bit) version, and an 32 bit ARM version for > my RaspberryPi. Everything was built from source, including the > kernels, glibc, Xorg (X11R6) , all the compilers (gcc, g++, f77, rust), > Firefox 57, Thunderbird email client, and many other packages. My main > machine has an X11 package which is configured to feed a quad monitor > setup, and I run an i3 tiling window manager on top of that. > > As I mentioned earlier, the Raspberry Pi runs my custom Linux OS > instead of Raspbian. It uses a special UBoot configuration to boot a > vanilla kernel.org kernel instead of a patched Raspbian one. This ARM > version was built on one of my x86_64 machines using a custom designed > cross-compile tool chain also built from source. > > I use the Pi to provide locally what for me are low bandwith > services such as DHCP, NTP, cron, DNS, Subversion, NFS, and a few > others. It also functions as the manager/scheduler for my network > backup system. That system takes incremental snapshots every hour on > the hour. It also powers up selected machines one at a time during the > night in order to handle machines which may have been on only > infrequently during the day, takes the requisite snapshots, and shuts > them down again if they were originally found off. This allows all the > machines except the Pi to be left off when not in use, which saves on > energy consumption. > > I've also got an older Mac Pro 1.1 . This was originally a quad core, > but I have since modified it into an eight core machine. It natively > runs a 64 bit version I built for it. Since this was my first 64 bit > machine, the OS for it was built on one of my 32 bit machines using a > similarly custom built cross-compile tool chain. > > That should be far more than enough about that. > > I am presently still in Western NY. It's very much a Microsoft "town". > There's not very much of a Linux or technology market here so I'm > somewhat semi-retired these days, but looking to get back into the field > if chance permits. The wife and I are considering a visit to Portland > in the near future, with a view to possibly moving there some day. We > would like to try and catch a PLUG user group meeting if we can somehow > manage that while we are there. > > My apologies for the lengthy message:-) > > Regards, > > J. Hart > > P.S. I also raise carnivorous plants for the fun of it... > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
I have been following your activities both on the PLUG list and via live streaming from the meetings for the last couple of months, and thought it might be time to introduce myself. My name is Joseph Hart. I am originally from Niagara Falls, NY, and have been working with electronics and computers since the late 1960's. I lived in Japan for over 14 years working as a scientific progammer at a leading Kyoto area research laboratory in the fields of artificial life (Alife) and robotics. My wife and I moved to Western NY when they closed my section several years ago. I've pretty heavily involved with Linux itself for over twenty years, having started to use it when the lab began a changeover from the many other Unix systems they were using at the time (ex. SunOS/Solaris, IRIX, HP-UX, AIX, various Connection Machines, etc). I've got about 40 or so machines of various types (not all on at the same time...:-), including a goodly number of SGI boxes, five Amigas of various models, a number of miniaturized Japanese machines not available in the US, and of course a Raspberry PI. Many of these machines run a "distribution" of Linux which I designed and built entirely from source code. I originally did this about 10 years ago on an old 32 bit x86 machine just to see how far I could get with it. I liked the result so much that I kept it, and have since done a full X86_64 (64 bit) version, and an 32 bit ARM version for my RaspberryPi. Everything was built from source, including the kernels, glibc, Xorg (X11R6) , all the compilers (gcc, g++, f77, rust), Firefox 57, Thunderbird email client, and many other packages. My main machine has an X11 package which is configured to feed a quad monitor setup, and I run an i3 tiling window manager on top of that. As I mentioned earlier, the Raspberry Pi runs my custom Linux OS instead of Raspbian. It uses a special UBoot configuration to boot a vanilla kernel.org kernel instead of a patched Raspbian one. This ARM version was built on one of my x86_64 machines using a custom designed cross-compile tool chain also built from source. I use the Pi to provide locally what for me are low bandwith services such as DHCP, NTP, cron, DNS, Subversion, NFS, and a few others. It also functions as the manager/scheduler for my network backup system. That system takes incremental snapshots every hour on the hour. It also powers up selected machines one at a time during the night in order to handle machines which may have been on only infrequently during the day, takes the requisite snapshots, and shuts them down again if they were originally found off. This allows all the machines except the Pi to be left off when not in use, which saves on energy consumption. I've also got an older Mac Pro 1.1 . This was originally a quad core, but I have since modified it into an eight core machine. It natively runs a 64 bit version I built for it. Since this was my first 64 bit machine, the OS for it was built on one of my 32 bit machines using a similarly custom built cross-compile tool chain. That should be far more than enough about that. I am presently still in Western NY. It's very much a Microsoft "town". There's not very much of a Linux or technology market here so I'm somewhat semi-retired these days, but looking to get back into the field if chance permits. The wife and I are considering a visit to Portland in the near future, with a view to possibly moving there some day. We would like to try and catch a PLUG user group meeting if we can somehow manage that while we are there. My apologies for the lengthy message:-) Regards, J. Hart P.S. I also raise carnivorous plants for the fun of it... ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Networking Not Working
On 06/24/2018 01:08 AM, King Beowulf wrote: On 06/23/2018 07:06 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: I've always been able to connect various Ubuntu machines here at home using either Nautilus or Caja. We're back from our trip, and I want to move my Thunderbird profile from my laptop back to my desktop. However, when I try to connect to the laptop from my desktop with Caja the only machine visible is itself. When I try to connect to the desktop from the laptop using Nautilus I get an error message: Unable to access location Failed to retrieve share list from server: No such file or directory I didn't have this problem before we left two weeks ago. Any ideas on where to look for what's going wrong here? reboot / power cycle your wifi router and let all the boxes reconnect (reboot if needed). We have an old Netgear here that needs a power cycle every month or so to keep all the boxes connected to each other and the cable modem. Next, ping computer A from computer B. use CLI and 'ifconfig' or similar utility to determine the IP addresses if using DHCP. That worked. If that works, then the issue is how the remote file share is set up. You using "Nautilus or Caja" means nothing. It may mean nothing underneath, but those are the two tools (Caja on MATE, Nautilus on plain Ubuntu) that I use to look at files. The share will be via NFS, SAMBA, ssh/scp, gvfs, or whatever silly hidden protocol Ubuntu foists on users these days. Understood. At any rate, the boxes communicate again. Every so often systemd will flip out, so reboot everything. While you "weren't looking" did the Ubuntu boxes automatically update? Maybe a network driver module or other library was not updated. No. I have it set to require me to allow the update. Thanks for the router tip. That appears to have been the issue. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Operator Error [Re: What is "discover -t" saying?]
On 06/24/2018 08:18 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: The discover(1) man page does not describe output format/fields. The relevant output line is: Prolific Technology, Inc. PL25A1 Host-Host Bridge unknown unknown There are two fields whose content is "unknown". What are they? An aberration triggered by not running terminal full screen. "unknown unknown" is on its own line, thus a different device. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] What is "discover -t" saying?
The discover(1) man page does not describe output format/fields.
The relevant output line is:
Prolific Technology, Inc. PL25A1 Host-Host Bridge unknown unknown
There are two fields whose content is "unknown".
What are they?
This is obviously related to another thread of mine ;}
I'm not grokking the answers being given and references I'm reading.
As MATE's network connections icon spins forever I'm wondering;
"Am I {and the kernel} missing the information labeled 'unknown'?"
Who? Me? Grasping at straws?
TIA
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Re: [PLUG] Networking Not Working
On 06/23/2018 07:06 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > I've always been able to connect various Ubuntu machines here at home > using either Nautilus or Caja. We're back from our trip, and I want to > move my Thunderbird profile from my laptop back to my desktop. However, > when I try to connect to the laptop from my desktop with Caja the only > machine visible is itself. When I try to connect to the desktop from the > laptop using Nautilus I get an error message: > > Unable to access location > Failed to retrieve share list from server: No such file or directory > > I didn't have this problem before we left two weeks ago. > > Any ideas on where to look for what's going wrong here? > reboot / power cycle your wifi router and let all the boxes reconnect (reboot if needed). We have an old Netgear here that needs a power cycle every month or so to keep all the boxes connected to each other and the cable modem. Next, ping computer A from computer B. use CLI and 'ifconfig' or similar utility to determine the IP addresses if using DHCP. If that works, then the issue is how the remote file share is set up. You using "Nautilus or Caja" means nothing. The share will be via NFS, SAMBA, ssh/scp, gvfs, or whatever silly hidden protocol Ubuntu foists on users these days. Every so often systemd will flip out, so reboot everything. While you "weren't looking" did the Ubuntu boxes automatically update? Maybe a network driver module or other library was not updated. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
